Brexit - Post Match Reaction

[Antrimsaint]

8 hours ago, skintsaint said:

Simon Pegg should stick to films.

Yes, we should all keep quiet, nothing to see here. We are all happy clappy in the provinces. Lets just pretend to be happy in our status quo!

[badgerx16]

3 hours ago, Antrimsaint said:

Lets just pretend to be happy in our status quo!

 

[Antrimsaint]

Post Brexit England Football team. Any of the troll patrol could have been the  caller lol

 

[trousers]

I'm going for 37 reactions to this one... #sweepstake

 

Edited 1 July, 2021 by trousers

[badgerx16]

2 minutes ago, trousers said:

I'm going for 37 reactions to this one... #sweepstake

 

Well here's the first one: is there any evidence that this would not have happened without Brexit ?

[trousers]

33 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Well here's the first one: is there any evidence that this would not have happened without Brexit ?

Would we have been allowed to bribe / subsidise Nissan under EU rules...?

[badgerx16]

46 minutes ago, trousers said:

Would we have been allowed to bribe / subsidise Nissan under EU rules...?

Allegedly Germany gave €1Bn to TESLA to help persuade them to build a new factory near Berlin.

Edited 1 July, 2021 by badgerx16

[trousers]

22 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Allegedly Germany gave €1Bn to TESLA to help persuade them to build a new factory near Berlin.

Fair enough. Sounds like Farage might be talking out of his arse then... 

[aintforever]

1 hour ago, trousers said:

Would we have been allowed to bribe / subsidise Nissan under EU rules...?

Would we have needed to if we were still in the EU?

Edited 1 July, 2021 by aintforever

[trousers]

Just now, aintforever said:

Would we have needed to if we were still in the EU?

I've no idea... I just ask daft questions, I'm not clever enough to know the answers!

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, trousers said:

Fair enough. Sounds like Farage might be talking out of his arse then... 

It's where he normally speaks from.

[rallyboy]

UK taxpayers launch a battery production plant.

Nissan gets the deal of the century.

Both sides of the Brexit debate claim victory.

It's probably in the middle somewhere.

And Farage makes up shit for cash.

 

[Antrimsaint]

5 hours ago, trousers said:

I'm going for 37 reactions to this one... #sweepstake

 

Yeah, how much of my money has he used to subsidise keeping them here eh?

[Antrimsaint]

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

Alister Campbell of all people, moaning about the “normalisation of lying”, god Remoaners have really jumped the shark now. 

[Antrimsaint]

2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Alister Campbell of all people, moaning about the “normalisation of lying”, god Remoaners have really jumped the shark now. 

Yep, shoot the messenger not the message. Classic gammon behaviour.

[Antrimsaint]

Before you shoot the messenger again Duckie, look at the info. UK govt really well respected in NI. 86% distrust in the Tory Govt. Brexit bonus.

[Weston Super Saint]

7 hours ago, Antrimsaint said:

Before you shoot the messenger again Duckie, look at the info. UK govt really well respected in NI. 86% distrust in the Tory Govt. Brexit bonus.

69% distrust Sinn Fein

60% distrust the EU

82% distrust the NI Executive

Not sure what your point is apart from the fact that NI is incredibly insular and don't trust anyone - a nation made up of Collinsdic's!!

[Antrimsaint]

3 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

69% distrust Sinn Fein

60% distrust the EU

82% distrust the NI Executive

Not sure what your point is apart from the fact that NI is incredibly insular and don't trust anyone - a nation made up of Collinsdic's!!

Point being made is many sides don’t like all a lot of things but it appears all sides don’t  trust the UK govt. Not long now b4 the Brexit breakup

[Antrimsaint]

3 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

69% distrust Sinn Fein

60% distrust the EU

82% distrust the NI Executive

Not sure what your point is apart from the fact that NI is incredibly insular and don't trust anyone - a nation made up of Collinsdic's!!

Besides your maths is as good as Turkeys.

Distrust in

Sinn Fein 56%
NI Executive 52%
EU 48%

[badgerx16]

6 minutes ago, Antrimsaint said:

Besides your maths is as good as Turkeys.

Distrust in

Sinn Fein 56%
NI Executive 52%
EU 48%

Standard political spin, include the uncommitted/don' knows into whichever side of the equation suits your argument.

[Antrimsaint]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/britains-vegetables-are-rotting-in-the-fields-soon-imports-will-fill-the-shelves-instead-dxsmbg2rw

Brexit bonus?

[Weston Super Saint]

17 hours ago, Antrimsaint said:

Before you shoot the messenger again Duckie, look at the info. UK govt really well respected in NI. 86% distrust in the Tory Govt. Brexit bonus.

 

6 hours ago, Antrimsaint said:

Besides your maths is as good as Turkeys.

Distrust in

Sinn Fein 56%
NI Executive 52%
EU 48%

Correct - I appear to have added the 'Neutrals' in by mistake.  If I have upset anyone by my erroneous calculations, then you have my deepest and most sincere apologies.

Interesting though that the only group that the Northern Irish distrust almost as much as the UK Gov't is the DUP!  Seems logical that the next step should be a unified Ireland, especially given the lower levels of distrust of the Irish Gov't and EU  

[buctootim]

That’s the problem for NI - almost no-one likes the status quo but there isn’t clear majority support for any kind of constitutional change 

[Antrimsaint]

50 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

 

Correct - I appear to have added the 'Neutrals' in by mistake.  If I have upset anyone by my erroneous calculations, then you have my deepest and most sincere apologies.

Interesting though that the only group that the Northern Irish distrust almost as much as the UK Gov't is the DUP!  Seems logical that the next step should be a unified Ireland, especially given the lower levels of distrust of the Irish Gov't and EU  

Completely agree. And this is coming from someone from a moderate Unionist perspective. Ireland will have to reunite. It will be difficult and messy but necessary. The UK as a contruct no longer works for its constituent nations.

A breakup is the only natural resolution. Then nations such as Scotland and NI can be reintegrated into the EU as they voted.

[Antrimsaint]

33 minutes ago, buctootim said:

That’s the problem for NI - almost no-one likes the status quo but there isn’t clear majority support for any kind of constitutional change 

The one thing there is unanimity on is the damage Brexit has done to the status quo in NI. There is clear anti UK govt sentiment and Pro EU sentiment for reintegration.

[Antrimsaint]

 

[badgerx16]

"The next agreement that you honour will be your first".

[Jeremy Corbyn]

On 05/07/2021 at 17:34, Antrimsaint said:

The one thing there is unanimity on is the damage Brexit has done to the status quo in NI. There is clear anti UK govt sentiment and Pro EU sentiment for reintegration.

It's a step towards an United Ireland. Which may not be a bad thing in the long term but to expedite unintentionally is embarrassing.

[Lord Duckhunter]

3 minutes ago, Jeremy Corbyn said:

It's a step towards an United Ireland. 

One of the reasons some of us voted the way we did. 

[aintforever]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

One of the reasons some of us voted the way we did. 

Of course it was. I don’t remember ‘breaking up the UK’ ever being used by the leave campaign as a reason to vote for Brexit.

I though that was part of project fear?

[badgerx16]

From the BBC;

 

Despite running the successful Vote Leave campaign in the referendum, Mr Cummings said that "no-one on Earth" could be certain it had been the right decision to quit the EU.

"I think anyone who says they're sure about questions like that has a screw loose, whether you're on the Remain side or on our side," he said.

"One of the reasons why we won is... we didn't think we were all right and all Remainers were idiots or traitors or anything else."

 

Edited 20 July, 2021 by badgerx16

[John B]

So Brexit isn't done, and the oven ready deal wasn't ready. The Northern Ireland border always made Brexit a non-starter, unless we stayed in the single market. Maybe it's time those who campaigned for it just acknowledge that simple fact.

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, John B said:

So Brexit isn't done,

We’re still in the EU? 

[John B]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

We’re still in the EU? 

 

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

We’re still in the EU? 

As you know we are out of the EU but the fools in Govt you support now realise that the Brexit they signed up to is pretty unworkable without being iin the single market

 

Which has been obvious to most rational observers for sometime

 

There would be no problem of course if NI was not in the UK but is and there has to be a border somewhere and a hard border on the Island of Ireland wrecks the GFA unless the UK is in the Single Market

 

It is just the way it is but of course you and your ilk will just continue blustering whilst thing go wrong

[Weston Super Saint]

53 minutes ago, John B said:

 

As you know we are out of the EU but the fools in Govt you support now realise that the Brexit they signed up to is pretty unworkable without being iin the single market

 

Which has been obvious to most rational observers for sometime

 

There would be no problem of course if NI was not in the UK but is and there has to be a border somewhere and a hard border on the Island of Ireland wrecks the GFA unless the UK is in the Single Market

 

It is just the way it is but of course you and your ilk will just continue blustering whilst thing go wrong

Are you saying the UK will rejoin the single market?

[Lord Duckhunter]

4 hours ago, John B said:

So Brexit isn't done

 

1 hour ago, John B said:

 

As you know we are out of the EU 

You’re all over the place. 

[John B]

14 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

 

You’re all over the place. 

 

14 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

 

You’re all over the place. 

It is the UK Govt which is all over the place as it signed a Brexit deal that it probably knew would not work especially in NI and now want to renegotiate it

 

I realise you are not stupid Lord Duckhunter  but your stance on Brexit unfortunately does not bear this out

[Plastic]

Its not fair. We want another go!

"The European Commission has said it "will not agree to a renegotiation" of the Northern Ireland Protocol after the UK government demanded that "significant changes" be made."

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-uk-and-eu-cannot-go-on-as-we-are-with-northern-ireland-protocol-says-lord-frost-12360568

"On a visit to Belfast in 2019, Boris Johnson said there was “no question” of checks on goods crossing from Great Britain to Northern Ireland. But he had already agreed to checks a month earlier when he and his then Irish counterpart Leo Varadkar were negotiating the Northern Ireland Protocol."

There aren't enough facepalms in existent to demonstrate the incompetence displayed here. 

[buctootim]

22 minutes ago, Plastic said:

Its not fair. We want another go!

"The European Commission has said it "will not agree to a renegotiation" of the Northern Ireland Protocol after the UK government demanded that "significant changes" be made."

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-uk-and-eu-cannot-go-on-as-we-are-with-northern-ireland-protocol-says-lord-frost-12360568

"On a visit to Belfast in 2019, Boris Johnson said there was “no question” of checks on goods crossing from Great Britain to Northern Ireland. But he had already agreed to checks a month earlier when he and his then Irish counterpart Leo Varadkar were negotiating the Northern Ireland Protocol."

There aren't enough facepalms in existent to demonstrate the incompetence displayed here. 

He is incompetent but primarily untrustworthy. Technically he was correct when he said there was "no question" of checks on goods, because he had already agreed to them and so it wasn't an open question anymore.  His whole modus operandi is to deliberately mislead and then later claim that wasn't what he meant at all when people draw the obvious conclusion from his words. 

Edited 22 July, 2021 by buctootim

[buctootim]

41 minutes ago, John B said:

 

It is the UK Govt which is all over the place as it signed a Brexit deal that it probably knew would not work especially in NI and now want to renegotiate it

 

I realise you are not stupid Lord Duckhunter  but your stance on Brexit unfortunately does not bear this out

Yep. Their whole strategy has been to make commitments in a deal that they had no intention of honouring and then blaming the EU as unreasonable when expected to deliver on their side of the bargain.   

[Lord Duckhunter]

29 minutes ago, Plastic said:

Its not fair. We want another go!

"The European Commission has said it "will not agree to a renegotiation" of the Northern Ireland Protocol after the UK government demanded that "significant changes" be made."

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-uk-and-eu-cannot-go-on-as-we-are-with-northern-ireland-protocol-says-lord-frost-12360568

"On a visit to Belfast in 2019, Boris Johnson said there was “no question” of checks on goods crossing from Great Britain to Northern Ireland. But he had already agreed to checks a month earlier when he and his then Irish counterpart Leo Varadkar were negotiating the Northern Ireland Protocol."

There aren't enough facepalms in existent to demonstrate the incompetence displayed here. 

It’s not incompetence, it was subterfuge. Just like Europhiles have been doing  for the past 40 years, he lied to the British people. Quite rightly he calculated that the vast majority of the public couldn’t really give a shiny shite whether there were checks on the GB/NI border, that the desire to get Brexit done was more important to his supporters and Brexit voting constituencies.  MP’s had the opportunity to ensure this wouldn’t be the case by voting for May’s turd, but they turned it down. 
 

Far from incompetent, it was a clever strategy. We’re out, and getting back in is going to be so much harder than stopping Brexit ever was. 

Edited 22 July, 2021 by Lord Duckhunter

[Plastic]

Just now, Lord Duckhunter said:

It’s not incompetence, it was subterfuge. Just like Europhiles have been doing  for the past 40 years, he lied to the British people. Quite rightly he calculated that the vast majority of the public couldn’t really give a shiny shite whether there were checks on the GB/NI border, that the desire to get Brexit done was more important to his supporters and Brexit voting constituencies.  MP’s had the opportunity to ensure this wouldn’t be the case by voting for May’s turd, but they turned it down. 
 

Far from incompetent, it was a clever strategy. We’re out, and getting back in is going to be so much harder than stopping it ever was. 

NI residents are (currently) still UK citizens. I suppose this gives them another reason to vote for a united Ireland, which may not be a bad thing for all (most) involved.

[buctootim]

20 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Far from incompetent, it was a clever strategy. We’re out, and getting back in is going to be so much harder than stopping Brexit ever was. 

Lying is only a clever strategy it leaving was the only thing that mattered and you didnt have to strike any deals or agreements afterwards. He's damaged Britain's credibility and reputation as being an honest country that plays by the rule of law - not just with the EU but with the US, Australia, NZ and all the countries we needed to make up for the holes left by leaving the EU. 

Even more than that, leaver or remainer, if you cant trust him to tell the truth on one issue you cant trust him on any. Boris will say whatever Boris needs to say to get out of the jam at that moment in time. That isnt someone you want leading you during a pandemic, on personal freedoms (14 years in jail for journos publishing a story???) or on anything at all.     

[rallyboy]

It was just a game to Cummings.

When he admitted that he twisted the truth just to wind people up and that his real role was to push through the agenda of a couple of dozen multi-millionaires in the background, alarm bells should be ringing - even among the Brexiteer MPs he described as morons.

Was he lying then or now?

Either way he's conned quite a few people and he and Boris are chuckling all the way to the bank.

[aintforever]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Far from incompetent, it was a clever strategy. We’re out, and getting back in is going to be so much harder than stopping Brexit ever was. 

Only if all you care about is leaving the EU. Whilst Leave won, the vast majority of people just want what is best for the country, the amount of Jihadis like you is probably very low.

[Fan The Flames]

It was a chance for Cummings to play out his theories, fuck the real world and fuck real people. He just needed a buffoon to ride.

He is an adherent of the OODA loop decision making theory used by the American military. The yanks found that the OODA loop may be good at winning wars but it's useless at winning the peace. And the Brexiteers are finding the same.

What were the chances of an unelected power hungry maniac and a tory buffoon coming along at the same time. Thinking about it, probably very high.

 

[Fan The Flames]

17 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Are you saying the UK will rejoin the single market?

The answer is one of;

Rejoin single market

Border in Irish Sea

Give up Nothern Ireland

EU to accept a opening in their border

 

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, aintforever said:

Only if all you care about is leaving the EU. Whilst Leave won, the vast majority of people just want what is best for the country, the amount of Jihadis like you is probably very low.

We’re you asleep in Dec ‘19? 
 

That’s when Boris won a landslide with the slogan “get Brexit done”. Other than that, good point well made. 

Edited 22 July, 2021 by Lord Duckhunter

[aintforever]

6 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

We’re you asleep in Dec ‘19? 
 

That’s when Boris won a landslide with the slogan “get Brexit done”. Other than that, good point well made. 

He was up against Corbyn, Fred West could have been Tory leader and they still would have probably won.

Anyway, by the time Dec 19 came around most people were just sick to death of Brexit, “get Brexit done” appealed to virtually everyone except die hard remainers.