Brexit - Post Match Reaction

[buctootim]

Sky reporting a deal is done (with a details on batteries and Erasmus to be tidied up). Sir Boris the Brave to announce how he saved Christmas and the world at 7pm.   

 

Edit. Supposedly it's 2,000 pages. Absolutely no way this should be rushed through Parliament in one sitting. 

Edited 23 December, 2020 by buctootim

[Sheaf Saint]

A German airline flying in emergency supplies of food for us.

But I'm sure they still hate us and just want to punish us (or some other ill-informed and outdated nationalistic bollocks).

[buctootim]

3 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

A German airline flying in emergency supplies of food for us.

But I'm sure they still hate us and just want to punish us (or some other ill-informed and outdated nationalistic bollocks).

It's very nice of them - but I'm not sure they eat fruit and vegetables in Doncaster. 

[moonraker]

20 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

A German airline flying in emergency supplies of food for us.

But I'm sure they still hate us and just want to punish us (or some other ill-informed and outdated nationalistic bollocks).

Reverse Berlin Airlift, European Nations supporting their less fortunate neighbours lol

[moonraker]

No WTO then, there will be some serious melt downs in the hard line brexiteer community.

[AlexLaw76]

At last, end of brexit and end of transition period.

Good news.

[badgerx16]

9 hours ago, Wes Tender said:

we have already put in place several trade deals around the World, which of course we were not permitted to do as a member state of the EU.

 

No, for the vast majority of them we have agreed that the UK can roll over the terms of the existing EU agreements. What a negotiating coup that is.

[badgerx16]

9 hours ago, Wes Tender said:

 But finally the penny has dropped that our coastal waters are ours, freed from the ridiculous, wasteful CFP, so naturally that is a clear benefit too.

 

How, when we can't take advanrage of any reduction in EU fishing in UK coastal waters ?

[badgerx16]

2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

 Be like Nigel......

Exactly. As Nige said, if the referendum was to finish in a close, eg 52-48, remain vote, he would continue to campaign to leave the EU.

[trousers]

[egg]

8 hours ago, trousers said:

... 

Edited 24 December, 2020 by egg

[aintforever]

No way will they let a few fish get in the way of a deal, this is good news.

i expect the current shit-show in Dover has given the negotiations a bit of a nudge.

[buctootim]

15 minutes ago, aintforever said:

i expect the current shit-show in Dover has given the negotiations a bit of a nudge.

Yep. A glimpse of what can happen if you jerk your neighbours chain instead of playing nice.  

Edited 23 December, 2020 by buctootim

[badgerx16]

2 minutes ago, buctootim said:

Yep. A glimpse of what can happen if you jerk your neighbours chain instead of playing nice.  

But we held all the cards.

[trousers]

[John B]

The deal is reportedly done. The first time in history that two parties have negotiated a deal that is inferior to the one they already had and other new deals especially the Japanese one is not as good as our current one

 

Only fools will think it is going to be a great success

 

 

 

[Kingsland Codger]

3 minutes ago, John B said:

The deal is reportedly done. The first time in history that two parties have negotiated a deal that is inferior to the one they already had and other new deals especially the Japanese one is not as good as our current one

 

Only fools will think it is going to be a great success

 

 

 

But passports will be navy blue ... that’s what really matters.

[egg]

7 minutes ago, John B said:

The deal is reportedly done. The first time in history that two parties have negotiated a deal that is inferior to the one they already had and other new deals especially the Japanese one is not as good as our current one

 

Only fools will think it is going to be a great success

 

 

 

Indeed. The Japan deal is the tip of the iceberg, but you'd have to be pretty special to believe that our little nation has the ability to negotiate free trade deals with the rest of the world on better terms than the 27 EU countries collectively. In truth, we don't have much to negotiate with, and as pathetic as it seemed that the EU deal was held up by a few fish, it highlights what little we have to bargain with. The USA deal in particular won't be pretty. 

[CB Fry]

Nigel doesn’t like it because it will be in the interests of German Car Makers. Funny really because I thought the German car makers were going to force through the trade deal we wanted because they needed our business.

Anyway Congratulations on our sovereign independent government securing this deal that gives us control of our borders money and trade. We now have the complete independent sovereignty of an independent sovereign nation,  this agreement and every future decision will be entirely our own sovereign decision, fully accountable to the sovereign British people. Well done independent sovereign Prime Minister.

 

[Fan The Flames]

What a fuckin waste of time and energy over the last 10 years, to put us in the same but different position. There will be great chatter between the old twats on Facebook.

[badgerx16]

50 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Nigel doesn’t like it because it will be in the interests of German Car Makers. Funny really because I thought the German car makers were going to force through the trade deal we wanted because they needed our business.

 

 

But what does his German wife think of it ?

You can understand Nige's fear of the EU, his first mother-in-law was Irish, his second was German.

Edited 24 December, 2020 by badgerx16

[Plastic]

Here’s a handy list of some of the new rules and regulations we will enjoy in our island utopia

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-54195827

[View From The Top]

 Duckhunter, sorry, Farage, is correct in one respect, there was never going to be "no deal".

When all the nationalistic chest thumping has died down and the details show through, I just hope it secures high value manufacturing jobs in the UK. 

All this just because a bunch of older white folk and younger thick racists hate Johnny Foreigner, although they hide behind "sovereignty" as they lack the gonads to say otherwise.

What a colossal waste of time and money for the sake of a blue passport.

[Guided Missile]

4 minutes ago, View From The Top said:

All this just because a bunch of older white folk and younger thick racists hate Johnny Foreigner, although they hide behind "sovereignty" as they lack the gonads to say otherwise.

17,410,742 of us, mate and the "bunch of older white folk" is obviously a racist comment, but you're just too thick to realise that. Stew in your remainer bitterness. Most of us have moved on.

[Plastic]

8 minutes ago, View From The Top said:

 Duckhunter, sorry, Farage, is correct in one respect, there was never going to be "no deal".

When all the nationalistic chest thumping has died down and the details show through, I just hope it secures high value manufacturing jobs in the UK. 

All this just because a bunch of older white folk and younger thick racists hate Johnny Foreigner, although they hide behind "sovereignty" as they lack the gonads to say otherwise.

What a colossal waste of time and money for the sake of a blue passport.

In 30 years, when the union is dissolved and little England’s place in the world is diminished, will we be begging to rejoin?

Perhaps we will be asked to repay the costs of this ridiculous process.

[Lord Duckhunter]

17 minutes ago, View From The Top said:

 Duckhunter, sorry, Farage, is correct in one respect, there was never going to be "no deal".

When all the nationalistic chest thumping has died down and the details show through, I just hope it secures high value manufacturing jobs in the UK. 

All this just because a bunch of older white folk and younger thick racists hate Johnny Foreigner, although they hide behind "sovereignty" as they lack the gonads to say otherwise.

What a colossal waste of time and money for the sake of a blue passport.

Thank god you didn’t teach my children. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

6 minutes ago, Plastic said:

In 30 years, when the union is dissolved and little England’s place in the world is diminished, will we be begging to rejoin?

 

They’ll be nothing to rejoin in 30 years. Its gone, over. You little Europeans just don’t realise yet. We were the first, but we won’t be the last. 
 

 

[trousers]

31 minutes ago, View From The Top said:

 Duckhunter, sorry, Farage, is correct in one respect, there was never going to be "no deal".

When all the nationalistic chest thumping has died down and the details show through, I just hope it secures high value manufacturing jobs in the UK. 

All this just because a bunch of older white folk and younger thick racists hate Johnny Foreigner, although they hide behind "sovereignty" as they lack the gonads to say otherwise.

What a colossal waste of time and money for the sake of a blue passport.

Do people that make this kind of comment realise that it's this attitude to towards the 'thickos' that probably tilted the 2016 vote in the favour of 'Leave'? Or are they blissfully unaware? Genuine question from a Brexit agnosticist...

[aintforever]

39 minutes ago, View From The Top said:

 Duckhunter, sorry, Farage, is correct in one respect, there was never going to be "no deal".

When all the nationalistic chest thumping has died down and the details show through, I just hope it secures high value manufacturing jobs in the UK. 

All this just because a bunch of older white folk and younger thick racists hate Johnny Foreigner, although they hide behind "sovereignty" as they lack the gonads to say otherwise.

What a colossal waste of time and money for the sake of a blue passport.

This. A bunch of old wankers have taken their chance to give two fingers to Germany and we are going to be left with the consequences. 

[Wes Tender]

58 minutes ago, View From The Top said:

 Duckhunter, sorry, Farage, is correct in one respect, there was never going to be "no deal".

When all the nationalistic chest thumping has died down and the details show through, I just hope it secures high value manufacturing jobs in the UK. 

All this just because a bunch of older white folk and younger thick racists hate Johnny Foreigner, although they hide behind "sovereignty" as they lack the gonads to say otherwise.

What a colossal waste of time and money for the sake of a blue passport.

What a thoroughly nasty piece of work you are. Which school do you teach at? Perhaps the school governors ought to be informed of your views. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

I became euro sceptical after Maastricht, which in my opinion was the tipping point. That was the moment it became more than a trading block, this was further cemented by Lisbon. At first I thought our political class genuinely wanted to reform the bloc, but it became apparent that this was all for show and votes. Johnnie Major pretended to be euro sceptical to replace the great lady and Gordon Brown hid away rather than sign Lisbon with the others. These were just two examples of the deception, there are plenty more.
 

So around 12 years ago I became a fully fledged leaver. Then, nobody questioned your motives, it was just a political view that was different from theirs. It was respected and any discussion was polite and about issues. I remember a time when I had a heated discussion with a German & a remainer  in a Portuguese bar, but there was no insults or questioning of my intelligence. That all changed when we won the referendum, it was as if we could have those opinions, but only if they were losing opinions. Once we won, we were thick, racist & old. 

[Wes Tender]

49 minutes ago, Plastic said:

In 30 years, when the union is dissolved and little England’s place in the world is diminished, will we be begging to rejoin?

Perhaps we will be asked to repay the costs of this ridiculous process.

We'll be thriving as part of much bigger and more important trading blocks than the EU, if it even exists then. If it does, then you and your fellow remoaners on here can happily spend the next thirty years campaigning to rejoin, can't you?

[Wes Tender]

42 minutes ago, trousers said:

Do people that make this kind of comment realise that it's this attitude to towards the 'thickos' that probably tilted the 2016 vote in the favour of 'Leave'? Or are they blissfully unaware? Genuine question from a Brexit agnosticist...

Not only the referendum either. It was almost certainly a decisive factor in losing Labour so many seats in their traditional industrial heartlands of the so-called Red Wall. 

[Kingsland Codger]

15 minutes ago, Wes Tender said:

We'll be thriving as part of much bigger and more important trading blocks than the EU, if it even exists then. If it does, then you and your fellow remoaners on here can happily spend the next thirty years campaigning to rejoin, can't you?

And not just any old thriving. We'll be thriving MIGHTILY. Our Dear Leader promised us.

[whelk]

54 minutes ago, trousers said:

Do people that make this kind of comment realise that it's this attitude to towards the 'thickos' that probably tilted the 2016 vote in the favour of 'Leave'? Or are they blissfully unaware? Genuine question from a Brexit agnosticist...

A term I only recently heard but far more polite - ‘low information voters’

Applies to so many even those of higher IQs

[whelk]

30 minutes ago, Wes Tender said:

What a thoroughly nasty piece of work you are. Which school do you teach at? Perhaps the school governors ought to be informed of your views. 

Bit of a soft spot for Stalin?

[trousers]

31 minutes ago, Wes Tender said:

Not only the referendum either. It was almost certainly a decisive factor in losing Labour so many seats in their traditional industrial heartlands of the so-called Red Wall. 

Indeed. I'm just genuinely intrigued if they have a sense of self-awareness that it's their holier-than-thou approach to debate that leads to the opposite of what they want happening? Or are they genuinely unaware? Given they're cleverer than those that voted to leave, it seems a tad bizarre to continue with the shooting-oneself-in-the-foot approach to debate, does it not? 

[hypochondriac]

Can't be bothered with the bitter ramblings from those who can't accept the result. On the face of it seems like a half decent deal and glad we have an agreement in place. Hopefully we can make the most of the financial situation. Happy days. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

Nigel on Talkradio giving the thumbs up to the deal.

Said Boris “has done what he said he’d do on the big picture”.

History may judge some of the detail a bit more harshly, but we’re out. 

A new treaty that’s a bit closer to a partnership agreement.

It’s not perfect, but it’s progress.

 

If it’s good enough for Nigel, it’s good enough for every Brexit supporter. 

 

 

 

[AlexLaw76]

Finally, it is over. I am sure we can all be thankful.  A decent deal that should please most bar those on the fringes (either side).

I doubt Femi is happy, but what can you do.  Brexit is done and despite all the predictions of a deal not being possible in such a short space of time. Goes to show what a waste of time May's premiership was.  A strong parliament got this done in 12 months - if only etc....

FBPE brigade seem to be stuck in 2016 mode and not (probably wilfully) acknowledging the direction of travel the EU is on.  It will be interesting how the next few years plays out.  Germany (plus one or two others) will no doubt have to lead the economic recovery in the EU.  Of course, that will come at a price, why should the German tax payer fund the majority of a bailout and not have more say?. So, no doubt the ever growing influence of Germany will become enormous.  How they tackle the dreadful/disgraceful youth unemployment in the southern states, without handing more power to Germany (and France) will be an interesting watch.  

The regulatory framework within the EU may well make trade easier for some, but it also cripples innovation due to the red tape & associated costs. Even the most keen of Europhiles, Guy Verhofstadt, acknowledges this, and bizarrely, welcomes it.  He is all for "more Europe".

Who remembers when we were all told in 2005 that E.European newbies would be net contributors within a few years? Yep and guess under who's EU presidency that was announced? yep, the man himself, Mr Tony Blair.  Turned out to be pure fiction (15 years later) as predicted and ridiculed.

 

I am sure the re-join nutters will cry in their soy latte at my thoughts, but I do not care. The war is over, we left the EU and have struck a deal. And it seemed every one of you implied it was impossible!

Edited 24 December, 2020 by AlexLaw76

[Wes Tender]

1 hour ago, Kingsland Codger said:

And not just any old thriving. We'll be thriving MIGHTILY. Our Dear Leader promised us.

We will. It is what the EU are most fearful of, which is why they have attempted to tie us into their restrictive regime to hamper us. You'll just have to wait and see, won't you?

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, Kingsland Codger said:

And not just any old thriving. We'll be thriving MIGHTILY. Our Dear Leader promised us.

 

[Wes Tender]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

A term I only recently heard but far more polite - ‘low information voters’

Applies to so many even those of higher IQs

Of course, anybody who voted to leave the EU, or gave Boris his stonking majority weren't thick; they just hadn't bothered to study the pros and cons of the choices available to them, so they were unable to make an informed decision. What a shame that there happened to be more of them than there were who wished to remain in the EU or to vote for another party besides the Conservatives, eh?

[Wes Tender]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

Bit of a soft spot for Stalin?

What a bizarre question. Care to explain your reasoning?

[spyinthesky]

Wes,
As a Remainer (but not a rabid one) I hope whatever deal has been agreed will provide the Nirvana that you and others predict, I really do.
Realistically I doubt whether we will be able to make a valued judgement for 5 or perhaps 10 years.
If I am still around, and compos mentis at that stage and the UK remains and is and thriving outside the EU, I would like the opportunity to buy you a decent bottle of something and bow down to your superior insight.

[Verbal]

So detailed analysis of what the deal appears to be is starting to come in.  This is from JP Morgan's trade specialists:

"The bad news for the UK, in our view, is that the EU appears to have secured a deal which allows it to retain nearly all the advantages it derives from its trading relationship with the UK, while giving it the ability to use regulatory structures to cherry-pick among the sectors where the UK had previously enjoyed advantages in the trading relationship.  That applies to the services sector in particular, but to parts of the goods sector too."

[sadoldgit]

According to the Express, dear old Nige is kicking off and calling it another EU treaty. I thought Ducky said that he was ok with it?

[Lord Duckhunter]

29 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

According to the Express, dear old Nige is kicking off and calling it another EU treaty. I thought Ducky said that he was ok with it?

Pony

 

is this “kicking off?”

 

 

[egg]

2 hours ago, Wes Tender said:

We'll be thriving as part of much bigger and more important trading blocks than the EU

So who will this be then? What can we give this new and thriving trading block that the collective economies of the EU can't? Genuine questions as I keep being told that the world is now our oyster, but haven't heard anything more than noise. 

[whelk]

43 minutes ago, Wes Tender said:

Of course, anybody who voted to leave the EU, or gave Boris his stonking majority weren't thick; they just hadn't bothered to study the pros and cons of the choices available to them, so they were unable to make an informed decision. What a shame that there happened to be more of them than there were who wished to remain in the EU or to vote for another party besides the Conservatives, eh?

Don’t get me wrong I am not saying they weren’t thick fuckers.