Brexit - Post Match Reaction

[Guided Missile]

10 minutes ago, Winnersaint said:

Yes, just a big stinking  pile of cheap patriotism and plastic jingoism.

Just to help readers understand your crassness:

Cheap Patriotism? In the liberation of Europe there were 384,000 soldiers killed in combat and a civilian death toll of 70,000, largely due to German bombing raids during the Blitz: 40,000 civilians died in the seven-month period between September 1940 and May 1941, almost half of them in London.

"Jingoism? is (EU) nationalism in the form of aggressive and proactive foreign policy, such as a country (EU) 's advocacy for the use of threats or actual force, as opposed to peaceful relations, in efforts to safeguard what it perceives as its national (EU) interests." 

 

Edited 14 December, 2020 by Guided Missile
Clarity

[badgerx16]

GM, how do you explain that when "we" were defeating "unelected French and German dictators", we were only able to defeat the former with the significant manpower of the Germans, Austrians, and Russians, and we only beat the latter as part of an alliance of the French, Italians, Americans, and Russians, ( WW1 ), and with the substantial assistance of the Russians and Americans, ( WW2 ).

[John B]

43 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

Just to help readers understand your crassness:

Cheap Patriotism? In the liberation of Europe there were 384,000 soldiers killed in combat and a civilian death toll of 70,000, largely due to German bombing raids during the Blitz: 40,000 civilians died in the seven-month period between September 1940 and May 1941, almost half of them in London.

"Jingoism? is (EU) nationalism in the form of aggressive and proactive foreign policy, such as a country (EU) 's advocacy for the use of threats or actual force, as opposed to peaceful relations, in efforts to safeguard what it perceives as its national (EU) interests." 

 

Does not make any sense

 

“A patriot can criticise his country, stay with it, and goes through the democratic process. A nationalist needs enemies.”

 

Seems to sum you up to a tee

 

 

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Guided Missile said:

Just to help readers understand your crassness:

Cheap Patriotism? In the liberation of Europe there were 384,000 soldiers killed in combat and a civilian death toll of 70,000, largely due to German bombing raids during the Blitz: 40,000 civilians died in the seven-month period between September 1940 and May 1941, almost half of them in London.

 

In your estimate of casualties in the liberation of Europe you have conveniently ignored over a million Russians killed in their assault on Germany in the last 6 months of the war, against the bulk and best of the remains of the German army. As for civilian deaths due to bombing 2 words, Hamburg and Dresden.

( Edit: by the end of the war, Arthur "Bomber" Harris admitted, Bomber Command had run out of civilian targets as every German town and city with over 50,000 population had been obliterated. )

Edited 14 December, 2020 by badgerx16

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Guided Missile said:

"Jingoism? is (EU) nationalism in the form of aggressive and proactive foreign policy, such as a country (EU) 's advocacy for the use of threats or actual force, as opposed to peaceful relations, in efforts to safeguard what it perceives as its national (EU) interests." 

 

That just about perfectly summarises English / British / UK foreign policy between the reign of Queen Elizabeth 1 and the start of WW1.

Edited 14 December, 2020 by badgerx16

[Tamesaint]

He only hates the EU because they restrict the sale of his poisons. 

[Guided Missile]

Just now, John B said:

Does not make any sense

 

“A patriot can criticise his country, stay with it, and goes through the democratic process. A nationalist needs enemies.”

 

Seems to sum you up to a tee

 

 

Forgive me, but you're the one that doesn't make any sense. What sums me up to a tee is "A patriot can criticise his country, stay with it, and goes through the democratic process." You might remember that we participated in a "democratic process" in respect to exiting the EU and having gone through that "democratic process". 

I, like many others are "staying with it". Too many liberals and socialists like to spend our tax money, while trying to subvert our democratic will, much like the EU. Just ask poor tiny Greece about playground bullies, who are our real enemies. Anyway, you, and many like you, will be left in the dust, while inevitably there will be cross party support for whatever, if anything, Boris extracts from the EU. Like the Liberal Democrats "Bollocks to Brexit" election slogan, your whining will look as out of touch with the majority of the voters in the country and you'll resort, like the rest of the traitors on this thread, to empty insults as our country rapidly grows and our early approval of the vaccine, unlike the  European Medicines Agency, saves lives and businesses.

Boris continues to play a blinder...

[badgerx16]

God Save the Queen, Rule Brittania, down with tyrants, Up Pompeii.......,.

Edited 14 December, 2020 by badgerx16

[Wes Tender]

2 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

Thankfully, this thread will end on January 1st, 2021. I, for one, will be celebrating the fact that, like many of our brave soldiers, landing on the beaches on D-Day to help liberate France and the rest of Europe, we will be going in the opposite direction to liberate Britain. The EU is a dangerous organisation, changed beyond recognition from the  European Economic Community that was formed by the Treaty of Rome. The "Economic" part of the description was dropped in 1993, because the original concept always was a political union, that was soon to be dominated by Germany. Post WWII and the Potsdam Agreement, they were prevented from dominating continents by force, as they and France had tried to, on and off, for the previous two centuries.

There was one country they could never dominate and as the supplicant ex-communist countries, the populations of which were used to being ruled by unelected  bureaucrats, were drawn into the EU, that country has said no more. The trade agreement negotiations are just a chance for a tin-pot French president with a Napoleon complex and an East-German, ex-Stasi member, to try and give Britain a kicking, before we finally leave their rotting and corrupt bloc. A trade deal may be nice, but it shrinks into a pointless piece of paper when we start reforming the rules that govern our trade, taxes and state aid. More importantly, we will be given an opportunity to again demonstrate why we are the shining beacon of democracy and innovation that we have been over the last two centuries, when we weren't defeating unelected French and German dictatorships. 

As we leave the EU at midnight, on the 31st December, 2020, I will be turning round and giving the time-honoured "V-sign" to the EU and will enjoy the challenges we will face up to, in 2021. What I will be most looking forward to in 2021, is returning to Europe to watch the Saints in the Champions League, carrying a blue passport and a red and white scarf.         

Top trolling of the Remoaner element on here, GM, especially those who have never been able to completely accept the referendum decision to leave the EU and who are still bleating about it years afterwards. The EU's efforts to issue a punishment deal to us in a vain attempt to keep us as a vassal colony in order to send a message to others who might wish to follow us out, has brought us to the verge of leaving without a FTA. Despite the massive trade surplus they have with us, they insist that leaving on WTO terms will hurt us more than it hurts them for some reason. Logically therefore, they should not be that bothered about us leaving without a FTA then, as that will send the clearest message possible to other member states of the dire consequences of leaving, wouldn't it? Or are they shitting themselves that without their ability to control aspects of our freedom to govern ourselves completely without their interference, we will put in place policies on taxation, trade and investment that will make us a major competitor right on their doorstep? 

Whereas officially and legally we will have left the Withdrawal Agreement period on 31st December, the continuation of talks following expired deadlines, the latest being Sunday, fills me with some concern. We should not budge on our three red lines and ought to make it plain that talks will only continue on condition that the EU are willing to make the concessions on those three conditions. Boris has intimated that that is his position, but it could be that the EU in their typically underhand fashion, will try to hide a verbal acquiescence into a trap hidden in reams of pages of legalese waffle, without the time for it to be gone over with a fine tooth comb. It would be far better at this late stage to stop this charade now, go WTO and leave the door open to continue talks in the New Year when we would not be rushed into rash decisions based on the urgency of deadlines. Even if a rushed deal were to be pushed through at this eleventh hour, as is traditional EU strategy, it would have to be agreed by all EU member states, and unless we roll over and allow the French, Dutch, Danes and Germans in particular to continue plundering our fish stocks at CFP levels, the arrogantly stupid French will more than likely scupper the deal.

 

[Weston Super Saint]

2 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

GM, how do you explain that when "we" were defeating "unelected French and German dictators", we were only able to defeat the former with the significant manpower of the Germans, Austrians, and Russians, and we only beat the latter as part of an alliance of the French, Italians, Americans, and Russians, ( WW1 ), and with the substantial assistance of the Russians and Americans, ( WW2 ).

Triggered.

[John B]

10 minutes ago, Wes Tender said:

Top trolling of the Remoaner element on here, GM, especially those who have never been able to completely accept the referendum decision to leave the EU and who are still bleating about it years afterwards. The EU's efforts to issue a punishment deal to us in a vain attempt to keep us as a vassal colony in order to send a message to others who might wish to follow us out, has brought us to the verge of leaving without a FTA. Despite the massive trade surplus they have with us, they insist that leaving on WTO terms will hurt us more than it hurts them for some reason. Logically therefore, they should not be that bothered about us leaving without a FTA then, as that will send the clearest message possible to other member states of the dire consequences of leaving, wouldn't it? Or are they shitting themselves that without their ability to control aspects of our freedom to govern ourselves completely without their interference, we will put in place policies on taxation, trade and investment that will make us a major competitor right on their doorstep? 

Whereas officially and legally we will have left the Withdrawal Agreement period on 31st December, the continuation of talks following expired deadlines, the latest being Sunday, fills me with some concern. We should not budge on our three red lines and ought to make it plain that talks will only continue on condition that the EU are willing to make the concessions on those three conditions. Boris has intimated that that is his position, but it could be that the EU in their typically underhand fashion, will try to hide a verbal acquiescence into a trap hidden in reams of pages of legalese waffle, without the time for it to be gone over with a fine tooth comb. It would be far better at this late stage to stop this charade now, go WTO and leave the door open to continue talks in the New Year when we would not be rushed into rash decisions based on the urgency of deadlines. Even if a rushed deal were to be pushed through at this eleventh hour, as is traditional EU strategy, it would have to be agreed by all EU member states, and unless we roll over and allow the French, Dutch, Danes and Germans in particular to continue plundering our fish stocks at CFP levels, the arrogantly stupid French will more than likely scupper the deal.

 

How, right now, can you  support the Conservatives when they're doing their best to destroy the country, the Union, its international relationships, its security, economy and the wellbeing of the people within it?

What is the appeal in this failure and fish ?

We started with a superb deal - full membership + opt-outs, rebate, veto. He promised he could EASILY IMPROVE it. He gambled our prosperity on a bluff on which you fully supported

Boris Johnson won’t escape blame for Brexit forever

[badgerx16]

10 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Triggered.

But I am right. 😉 Little Englanders have a closeted parochial view of history. "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel", Samuel Johnson.

Edited 14 December, 2020 by badgerx16

[Guided Missile]

Just now, John B said:

How, right now, can you  support the Conservatives when they're doing their best to destroy the country, the Union, its international relationships, its security, economy and the wellbeing of the people within it?

What is the appeal in this failure and fish ?

We started with a superb deal - full membership + opt-outs, rebate, veto. He promised he could EASILY IMPROVE it. He gambled our prosperity on a bluff on which you fully supported

Boris Johnson won’t escape blame for Brexit forever

At time like this, after the majority of voters of all political parties, supported exiting the EU, in a referendum, it is our duty to ensure that the Government, whatever it's political colour, is supported by everyone, in its negotiations with those that wish to do this country down. Anyone that doesn't is, in my book, a traitor. What you will find in the coming days, that, wherever we end up with in terms of an agreement, as long as the will of the people has been respected, that agreement will receive cross party support. Now go and troll someone else, traitor-boy or move to an EU country.

[John B]

13 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

At time like this, after the majority of voters of all political parties, supported exiting the EU, in a referendum, it is our duty to ensure that the Government, whatever it's political colour, is supported by everyone, in its negotiations with those that wish to do this country down. Anyone that doesn't is, in my book, a traitor. What you will find in the coming days, that, wherever we end up with in terms of an agreement, as long as the will of the people has been respected, that agreement will receive cross party support. Now go and troll someone else, traitor-boy or move to an EU country.

I am unable to move to a EU country because I do not have Freedom of movement and all the other advantages of the EU which were promised before the Referendum

 

All I get now is angry people like you being rude and sometimes aggressive more expensive food and holidays not able to have a few beers with friends because of Boris' dreadful handling of Covid 

He would never have been elected if there had been no Brexit

Its a good job the Saints are doing so well but that said they were doing well in 1973 when Channon missed a penalty against Arsenal and we got relegated later that season despite buying Osgood

[Wes Tender]

26 minutes ago, John B said:

How, right now, can you  support the Conservatives when they're doing their best to destroy the country, the Union, its international relationships, its security, economy and the wellbeing of the people within it?

What is the appeal in this failure and fish ?

We started with a superb deal - full membership + opt-outs, rebate, veto. He promised he could EASILY IMPROVE it. He gambled our prosperity on a bluff on which you fully supported

Boris Johnson won’t escape blame for Brexit forever

You're verging on the hysterical in your assertion that the government by their attempts to honour the majority decision in a democratic referendum are doing their best to destroy us in any possible way. You're also really naive in suggesting that for example the Scots would not campaign to leave the Union if we had not voted to leave the EU. Arguably our international relationships will be improved as we negotiate our diplomatic, economic and defence relationships as an independent sovereign nation instead of as a colony of a European federal state. Most other countries will admire this passage to our own self-determination, our ability to take control over our own destiny.

As an arch-remoaner, it comes as no surprise at all to me that you cannot see what the appeal is in leaving the EU. 

I won't bother raking over old coals disparaging the shortcomings of your "superb deal" that we supposedly had with the EU. I'd only be wasting my time, as you obviously believe it to be a perfectly faultless arrangement, and wonder how the electorate could possibly be so thick as not to share your unremitting love for the failing protectionist enterprise.

Heath hasn't escaped blame for our history in the EEC, neither has any subsequent PM, especially Major and Blair. Cameron was weak but deserves gratitude at least for promising the referendum. May was even weaker and even more inept and the EU must really be kicking themselves that they didn't accept her surrender Chequers deal. But May deserves even more gratitude for her terminal uselessness for paving the way for Boris and the stonking majority mandate to get Brexit done.

As to our future? We will thrive outside of the EU, which is what terrifies them.

[Lord Duckhunter]

 

Alexander Von Schoenburg editor-at-large of Germany's biggest-selling newspaper Bild placing the blame firmly at the door of the French. 
 

This is what he wrote today. 

 

“The outcome had to be so detrimental to Britain that no other member state would ever again dare go down the road of secession. In short, Britain needed to be punished”

“The running gag in Brussels was that whenever the French anti-secessionist general Michel Barnier was away and non-French-speaking civil servants were running the show, negotiations were constructive. When he had to leave the negotiating table and self-isolate after a colleague contracted Covid, for example, there are said to have been a few minor breakthroughs. But when he returned to the negotiating table, the tone of the talks turned distinctly hostile, thanks to Barnier’s insistence that the UK must abide by EU regulatory changes made after it leaves the bloc”

“Once you are out completely, even if it is on WTO-terms, you may well look back on 2020 as the year in which you managed to escape the dead hand of Brussels and regain your role as a global player with a distinctly more liberal, more entrepreneur-friendly and hence more attractive and innovative place to do business”.

“A kind of Singapore on Thames is exactly what is feared most in Berlin and this is why Germany will do everything it takes to avoid a trade war and to get Monsieur Barnier and France off their high horse”.

“Ursula von der Leyen might be slightly bossy – but the good thing from your point of view is that she is not French but German”. 
 

“Given that our ‘golden decade’ of growth stuttered to a halt last year and the economy has since been devastated by the pandemic, the last thing we need is a tariff barrier to one of our biggest markets”. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

14 minutes ago, John B said:

I am unable to move to a EU country because I do not have Freedom of movement and all the other advantages of the EU which were promised before the Referendum

 

Strange that my son lives in Australia, is there freedom of movement between UK & Aus 

[Guided Missile]

30 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Triggered.

Unfortunately I had to read that quoted post and it simply confirmed why "Badger" is on my ignore list. However, when I had stopped laughing, I thought I'd at least post a response, since I'm currently full of Xmas cheer. As this thread is about the EU and apparently we couldn't win a war without help from an international alliance,  I thought I'd consider the situation we find ourselves, in our new reality.  

Now, I think it is safe to say that the only significant threat to Europe comes from the Salisbury poisoners, Russia, out of the list Badger provided us, leaving us with the Germans, Austrians, French, Italians and Americans on our side. After the EU response to the Russian annexation of the Crimea, six years ago, that former communist and Stasi member, Merkel, responded by signing a gas supply agreement with Russia, on behalf of Germany. When Russia marches into the Ukraine, who will that  wannabe EU nation turn to and more importantly, who will Poland, Hungary and Romania turn to? I think the sight of the Germans, armed with broom handles, shouting bang-bang, will not frighten too many Russian tank commanders. We are then left with the Austrians, French, Italians and Americans. Now I'm going to start laughing again, because if we are talking about the broad sweep of history  over the past two centuries, I think we can discount the French and Italians, as far as providing determined resistance to the advancing Russians. So, even with the decrepit Biden in the White House, like Roosevelt before him, America would side with us, after letting us defend Europe on our own for the first couple of years. The Irish will take the side of our opponent, Putin, as they normally do in a war and the Swiss and Swedes will figure out how much money they can make out of holding our coats. Personally I'd let the EU defend themselves, as they are not too keen on paying anything towards NATO, and watch the fun from the touchlines. Our forces will be too busy protecting our fishing waters, anyway... 

[Guided Missile]

10 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Strange that my son lives in Australia, is there freedom of movement between UK & Aus 

Is John B Australian!! Why the fuck am I reading anything he has to post about the UK, EU and Saints football club???

[Wes Tender]

Further good news today - the democratic impetus in Norway seems to have swung behind them wanting to change the basis of their deal with the EU.  

[badgerx16]

Dear GM, I couldn't give a flying fuck about your Little Englander rewriting / ignoring / ignorance of history.  If you believe that the UK's military are capable of holding up a Russian invasion of Europe unaided for 2 days let alone 2 years you will get a very nasty surprise should that ever come to pass. I am delighted that on most subjects your views are opposed to mine, I would hate to think that on any subject other than club football we might find ourselves on the same side.

You are genuinely the only poster on here I would never want to meet.

Now, in the unlikely case that this boórish slavering oaf truly has me on ignore, will somebody please quote this post, ta.

Edited 14 December, 2020 by badgerx16

[Weston Super Saint]

3 hours ago, John B said:

I am unable to move to a EU country because I do not have Freedom of movement and all the other advantages of the EU which were promised before the Referendum

You've had the last four and a half years to move to the glorius EU.  I suspect you haven't because, despite your constant moaning, you feel your life is actually better in the UK. Funny that.

[Weston Super Saint]

31 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Dear GM, 

You are genuinely the only poster on here I would love to meet.

Now, in the unlikely case that this boórish slavering oaf truly has me on ignore, will somebody please quote this post, ta.

Sure  

[badgerx16]

6 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Sure  

Why the edit ? Why did you omit all the hero worship ?

Edited 14 December, 2020 by badgerx16

[benjii]

3 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

Unfortunately I had to read that quoted post and it simply confirmed why "Badger" is on my ignore list. However, when I had stopped laughing, I thought I'd at least post a response, since I'm currently full of Xmas cheer. As this thread is about the EU and apparently we couldn't win a war without help from an international alliance,  I thought I'd consider the situation we find ourselves, in our new reality.  

Now, I think it is safe to say that the only significant threat to Europe comes from the Salisbury poisoners, Russia, out of the list Badger provided us, leaving us with the Germans, Austrians, French, Italians and Americans on our side. After the EU response to the Russian annexation of the Crimea, six years ago, that former communist and Stasi member, Merkel, responded by signing a gas supply agreement with Russia, on behalf of Germany. When Russia marches into the Ukraine, who will that  wannabe EU nation turn to and more importantly, who will Poland, Hungary and Romania turn to? I think the sight of the Germans, armed with broom handles, shouting bang-bang, will not frighten too many Russian tank commanders. We are then left with the Austrians, French, Italians and Americans. Now I'm going to start laughing again, because if we are talking about the broad sweep of history  over the past two centuries, I think we can discount the French and Italians, as far as providing determined resistance to the advancing Russians. So, even with the decrepit Biden in the White House, like Roosevelt before him, America would side with us, after letting us defend Europe on our own for the first couple of years. The Irish will take the side of our opponent, Putin, as they normally do in a war and the Swiss and Swedes will figure out how much money they can make out of holding our coats. Personally I'd let the EU defend themselves, as they are not too keen on paying anything towards NATO, and watch the fun from the touchlines. Our forces will be too busy protecting our fishing waters, anyway... 

Is this before or after Deutsche Bank collapses?

[Tamesaint]

3 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

 apparently we couldn't win a war without help from an international alliance

 

Are you really saying that we would have won the second world war without the assistance of the Americans, Russians etc? If so, and you really believe it , you are as deluded and as mad as your hero Donald Trump. 

Oh I see... you are just winding us all up. You cannot in all honesty be that stupid .... can you ??? 

[badgerx16]

32 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

Are you really saying that we would have won the second world war without the assistance of the Americans, Russians etc? If so, and you really believe it , you are as deluded and as mad as your hero Donald Trump. 

Oh I see... you are just winding us all up. You cannot in all honesty be that stupid .... can you ??? 

As far as I can work out the only wars we've won for hundreds of years without allies were the Falklands and the colonial wars in Southern Africa;

Gulf war 2, Gulf war 1, Balkans, WW2, WW1, Crimean War, the various wars against Napoleon, the Seven Years War, the War of the Spanish Succession, the colonial conquest of India, etc, etc...we had alliances for all of these, including at various points alliances with both France and Germany.

Edited 14 December, 2020 by badgerx16

[Tamesaint]

 Perhaps we have heard so much from our weird mate today because he is trying to forget this:

Electoral college begins casting votes that will cement Biden victory - BBC News

[badgerx16]

7 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

 Perhaps we have heard so much from our weird mate today because he is trying to forget this:

Electoral college begins casting votes that will cement Biden victory - BBC News

Fake news about a stolen election.

Edited 14 December, 2020 by badgerx16

[LGTL]

John is just upset because the EU don’t like Agform. 

[View From The Top]

2 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

You've had the last four and a half years to move to the glorius EU.  I suspect you haven't because, despite your constant moaning, you feel your life is actually better in the UK. Funny that.

No, we were waiting for the kids to finish secondary school and then we were going.

Thankfully my wife's skills set will allow us to still go anywhere, we know how lucky we are in that respect.

[View From The Top]

1 hour ago, Tamesaint said:

Are you really saying that we would have won the second world war without the assistance of the Americans, Russians etc? If so, and you really believe it , you are as deluded and as mad as your hero Donald Trump. 

Oh I see... you are just winding us all up. You cannot in all honesty be that stupid .... can you ??? 

Thing is, he doesn't wind us up, none of them do. They just sound like an even denser version of IDS.

They just remind me why I don't speak to my aging male relatives. 

[Weston Super Saint]

14 minutes ago, View From The Top said:

No, we were waiting for the kids to finish secondary school and then we were going.

Pretty damning indictment of the EU education system...

[Wes Tender]

3 hours ago, View From The Top said:

No, we were waiting for the kids to finish secondary school and then we were going.

Thankfully my wife's skills set will allow us to still go anywhere, we know how lucky we are in that respect.

You could go to Australia  and uphold the proud tradition of the whinging poms. You're pretty good in that department.

[Guided Missile]

9 hours ago, Wes Tender said:

You could go to Australia  and uphold the proud tradition of the whinging poms. You're pretty good in that department.

You must really hate Australia.

[buctootim]

 

 

 

Brexit would be "our most complex negotiation ever. Whole industries will be destroyed if we get it wrong". 

The UK should adopt a Norway-style transitional arrangement. In that scenario, the UK would remain in the European single market, a free trade agreement between EU countries.

David Frost. Brexit Adviser to Doris Johnson and Chief Trade negotiator. June 2016 

 

Fancy that. The things people say. Principles they give up on.  

 

 

Edited 15 December, 2020 by buctootim

[Wes Tender]

9 minutes ago, buctootim said:

 

 

 

Brexit would be "our most complex negotiation ever. Whole industries will be destroyed if we get it wrong". 

The UK should adopt a Norway-style transitional arrangement. In that scenario, the UK would remain in the European single market, a free trade agreement between EU countries.

David Frost. Brexit Adviser to Doris Johnson and Chief Trade negotiator. June 2016 

 

Fancy that. The things people say. Principles they give up on.  

 

 

The pathetically desperate straw clutching from you has to go back in history over four and a half years, for you to suggest that an opinion position taken then has any relevance today. I accept that you have not moved on from the reality of current events since then, because you are like a Japanese soldier in a remote jungle who does not realise the war finished years ago. But do you accept that Lord Frost has moved on from that position to accept that on numerous occasions subsequently, it was the Conservative and Leave position in the referendum campaign and in their election manifestos that we would be leaving the single market and the customs union? At least he has the intelligence to acknowledge that leaving the single market and customs union ruled out the Norway option, even if you haven't.

[badgerx16]

20 minutes ago, buctootim said:

 

 

 

Brexit would be "our most complex negotiation ever. Whole industries will be destroyed if we get it wrong". 

The UK should adopt a Norway-style transitional arrangement. In that scenario, the UK would remain in the European single market, a free trade agreement between EU countries.

David Frost. Brexit Adviser to Doris Johnson and Chief Trade negotiator. June 2016 

 

Fancy that. The things people say. Principles they give up on.  

 

 

Doris ?

[Weston Super Saint]

31 minutes ago, buctootim said:

 

 

 

Brexit would be "our most complex negotiation ever. Whole industries will be destroyed if we get it wrong". 

The UK should adopt a Norway-style transitional arrangement. In that scenario, the UK would remain in the European single market, a free trade agreement between EU countries.

David Frost. Brexit Adviser to Doris Johnson and Chief Trade negotiator. June 2016 

 

Fancy that. The things people say. Principles they give up on.  

 

 

But we didn't take a 'Norway-style transitional arrangement' we kept the status quo for the entire transitional period. Have you been hibernating for the past year?

[buctootim]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

But we didn't take a 'Norway-style transitional arrangement' we kept the status quo for the entire transitional period. Have you been hibernating for the past year?

He said for five years piggy. Not one. Then after five years decide if we want to keep Norway or move to a Canada type deal. I agree with him. That would have been a workable plan. Not the clusterfuck we have now. 

Edited 15 December, 2020 by buctootim

[buctootim]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

Doris ?

He's definitely a Doris

[Wes Tender]

I see that the infantile name calling has returned

20 minutes ago, buctootim said:

He's definitely a Doris

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Doris

What on earth are you going on about now, Timmy? I thought you weren't going to respond to my posts. Couldn't resist it eh? And foolish enough to raise the subject of the Norway option, which makes you look doubly stupid.

[Lord Duckhunter]

33 minutes ago, buctootim said:

He said for five years piggy. Not one. Then after five years decide if we want to keep Norway or move to a Canada type deal. I agree with him. That would have been a workable plan. Not the clusterfuck we have now. 

Are you going to pay up your losing bet? 

[buctootim]

2 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Are you going to pay up your losing bet? 

Of course. I'm thinking of giving it to the Care4Calais charity. 

Edited 15 December, 2020 by buctootim

[Wes Tender]

31 minutes ago, buctootim said:

He said for five years piggy. Not one. Then after five years decide if we want to keep Norway or move to a Canada type deal. I agree with him. That would have been a workable plan. Not the clusterfuck we have now. 

Lord Frost only took up his post as our trade negotiator with the EU a year ago, so WSS is perfectly correct to ask you where you have been hibernating the past year. Your Norway obsession is addling your ability to think clearly about other scenarios.

[Weston Super Saint]

40 minutes ago, buctootim said:

He said for five years piggy. Not one. Then after five years decide if we want to keep Norway or move to a Canada type deal. I agree with him. That would have been a workable plan. Not the clusterfuck we have now. 

Not in the quote you posted he didn't, Tim, nice but dim 

You really are quite thick if you honestly believe that it has been our choice to decide what type of deal we could swap from and which one we could hop on to.

I suspect that what he was proposing was purely hypothetical and never a realistic opportunity as has been proven during your period of hibernation.

[buctootim]

3 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Not in the quote you posted he didn't, Tim, nice but dim 

You really are quite thick if you honestly believe that it has been our choice to decide what type of deal we could swap from and which one we could hop on to.

I suspect that what he was proposing was purely hypothetical and never a realistic opportunity as has been proven during your period of hibernation.

Maybe if you read something you'd know it was five years and not hypothetical. God forbid even go back and check on the quote. But you don't, only squeal when you get shown up.

Edited 15 December, 2020 by buctootim

[Weston Super Saint]

8 minutes ago, buctootim said:

Maybe if you read something you'd know it was five years and not hypothetical. God forbid even go back and check on the quote. But you don't, only squeal when you get shown up.

Hhmmm.  So, this quote :

Quote

He said: "We should say that we intend, after exit, to retain this status for say five years and to use that period to reflect and if necessary negotiate a Free Trade Agreement like Canada’s, if that is what we want to do, or to keep Norway status if we don’t."

Which can be found Here

Which bit of that quote isn't 'hypothetical'?  

Which bit of that quote says we should have a Norway status for five years?

Unless you can give us a different quote, once again, you've made yourself look like a complete blithering idiot!  You'd think you'd have given up by now what with the amount of times you've had your pants pulled down.

As I've said before, those 'pig shit thick' people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones  

[sadoldgit]

I find it very strange that people who clearly want what they think is best for their country are called “traitors” by some individuals. 

[Wes Tender]

30 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I find it very strange that people who clearly want what they think is best for their country are called “traitors” by some individuals. 

I think that condemnation has more to do with them wishing us to remain subjugated as a colony of a Federal European super state, than on their desire to want what is best for their country. Brexiteers also want what is best for our country too of course, and as a result get called all sorts of names. But no doubt you don't find that situation strange though, do you?