Brexit - Post Match Reaction

[Fan The Flames]

2 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

just the hope that you will learn some respect for your intellectual superiors.

This is what posts would be like if the internet was around in the 1950's

[Tamesaint]

Its good to see that Shit for Brains Missile is still around. 

I was worried that after Trump's "blinder" had gone so pear shaped that SFB would have gone missing completely. Clearly attending Pompey Poly makes them resilient.

Edited 5 December, 2020 by Tamesaint

[badgerx16]

2 hours ago, Fan The Flames said:

This is what posts would be like if the internet was around in the 1950's

Well that's where GM lives.

[Super_Uwe]

David Davis with his view on the BBC website today - seems he's expecting an extension of some sorts. A "sort of freeze"

Former UK Brexit Secretary David Davis told BBC Breakfast the probability of a deal was "still high" but there would be compromise on both sides and the "big decisions won't be this afternoon between the prime minister and president of the commission but in wires running hot between Berlin and Paris and other capitals".

He said: "My suspicion is when it gets to the end of the month there is no time to ratify... so they will have to do some sort of freeze in place of current customs arrangements to take us through the few months until everybody from the European Parliament to the Walloon parliament actually give their opinion."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55191436

[Wes Tender]

Two flies in the ointment. Firstly Boris has pledged that the Internal Market Bill will return to the House next week and that the amendments passed in the HOL will be overturned. The EU has said that if this legislation goes ahead, the trade deal is off. Secondly, the little Napoleon Macron, has stated that unless the French continue to get unimpeded access to our coastal waters fish stocks, they will veto the trade deal. I expect that Macron is also behind this hypocritical nonsense of wanting to tie us to rules prohibiting us from granting state subsidies to our industries, whilst allowing the EU to subsidise theirs, as well as the additional ludicrous new demands the little twerp is making over fisheries.

David Davis might well be right in his conjecture that if a trade deal is agreed, there could be a freeze on customs arrangements for a short period allowing that deal to be ratified. But this should not be interpreted as an extension of the Implementation Period. That ends on 31st December and if no trade deal has been agreed by that date, we are out on WTO terms, or Australian terms, or whatever it will be called. The EU appears to believe that after a few months of initial organisational difficulties, we will implore them to give us a deal on their terms, but they will be bitterly disappointed. We should then tell them if they are prepared to offer a Canada/Japan/S.Korea style without caveats over fisheries/level playing field/governance, then we will be happy to discuss it. If they aren't prepared to offer that, then we will take full advantage of our freedom to give our economy the maximum competitive advantage via state subsidies, investment and taxation, so that they will come to rue the day that they tried to hamstring us during these negotiations.

[spyinthesky]

I do hope, that whatever happens, we can all join together to ensure the future is a rosy one.
However I have the say that the vast majority of people I know who have significant business interests abroad are very concerned about the prospect of a 'No Deal'

 

[whelk]

Great work guys. Hats off. You showed them

[badgerx16]

"Easiest trade deal in human history" - Liam Fox

[John B]

The long & short of it: Brexiters want the advantages of EU membership without the responsibilities or costs, able to compete unfairly & without sanction against the EU economies, allowing its rich to pay no or little tax, able to pollute the environment & treat employees badly.

[Wes Tender]

16 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

"Easiest trade deal in human history" - Liam Fox

*yawn*  At least you have skirted around the full phrase that he said, that a trade deal with the EU should be the easiest in history. Of course, all of the remoaner media changed that from should to would/will, which anybody with half a brain would recognise isn't the same thing. As we had already been part of the EEC and then the EU for nearing 50 years, then of course it ought to have been a simpler matter to organise a FTA with the EU than it would have been for them organising one with a third country from scratch. But Fox ought to have realised that the EU would act like a jilted lover, throw a strop, attempt to punish us for having the audacity to leave their cosy little cartel and feel the need to demonstrate to other member states that it wasn't going to be easy leaving the EU.

[Whitey Grandad]

11 minutes ago, Wes Tender said:

*yawn*  At least you have skirted around the full phrase that he said, that a trade deal with the EU should be the easiest in history. Of course, all of the remoaner media changed that from should to would/will, which anybody with half a brain would recognise isn't the same thing. As we had already been part of the EEC and then the EU for nearing 50 years, then of course it ought to have been a simpler matter to organise a FTA with the EU than it would have been for them organising one with a third country from scratch. But Fox ought to have realised that the EU would act like a jilted lover, throw a strop, attempt to punish us for having the audacity to leave their cosy little cartel and feel the need to demonstrate to other member states that it wasn't going to be easy leaving the EU.

You’re right, ‘should’ is conditional.  Remember this question?

"Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?”

[Wes Tender]

1 hour ago, John B said:

The long & short of it: Brexiters want the advantages of EU membership without the responsibilities or costs, able to compete unfairly & without sanction against the EU economies, allowing its rich to pay no or little tax, able to pollute the environment & treat employees badly.

Oh dear, you are suffering from a surfeit of remoaner misguided opinions on what we Brexiteers want, aren't you? We don't want the advantages of EU membership, whatever they might be, because the costs and responsibilities of having that membership were deemed to be too high and too detrimental to our independence as a sovereign nation. A similar FTA to that agreed by the EU with Canada, S.Korea and Japan will be perfectly sufficient, thank you. As for the tripe about us wishing to pollute the environment and treat employees badly, our standards in such matters are usually higher than they are in the EU and there is no reason for them to fall. Regarding trade competition, of course we want to be totally free to be able to pursue our own policies to be more competitive than the EU. You don't appear to realise that this is precisely the fear that the EU have, that we will be a serious competitor on their own doorstep, which is why they are trying to hamstring us into their restrictive regulatory regime. Naturally another reason for leaving the EU is that we will be able to set our own taxation rates. You seem somehow to think that will involve allowing the rich to pay little or no tax, something that the clever ones are perfectly capable of doing currently in the EU.

[Wes Tender]

4 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

You’re right, ‘should’ is conditional.  Remember this question?

"Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?”

Your comprehension of the English language is a bit weak if you don't recognise the difference in context between the use of "should" as part of a question and "should "as part of a statement. I don't recall the remoaner media ever changing the phrasing to "Will the UK remain a member of the EU or leave the EU?" at least not until after we had already voted to leave.

[Whitey Grandad]

2 minutes ago, Wes Tender said:

Your comprehension of the English language is a bit weak if you don't recognise the difference in context between the use of "should" as part of a question and "should "as part of a statement. I don't recall the remoaner media ever changing the phrasing to "Will the UK remain a member of the EU or leave the EU?" at least not until after we had already voted to leave.

If you’re going to continue to use silly names then you are beyond help.

My comprehension of English is fine. ‘Should’ as part of a question is not definitive. As you well know, the wording of the question was not a matter of public debate. Like everything’s else that’s happened since.

”Should the United Kingdom...”

invites the response 

”Yes, I think it should” 

It was all part and parcel of an advisory consultation, as approved in Law by Parliament.

[Wes Tender]

1 minute ago, Whitey Grandad said:

If you’re going to continue to use silly names then you are beyond help.

My comprehension of English is fine. ‘Should’ as part of a question is not definitive. As you well know, the wording of the question was not a matter of public debate. Like everything’s else that’s happened since.

”Should the United Kingdom...”

invites the response 

”Yes, I think it should” 

It was all part and parcel of an advisory consultation, as approved in Law by Parliament.

"Remoaner"? If it rankles, then don't respond. I think it is perfectly fitting epithet for all those on here who four and a half years after they lost the referendum vote, still persist in sobbing their little hearts out about how unfair it all is. Just as you are doing here.

Should the UK leave the EU? A question inviting a response, yes or no, and in a referendum, the majority response will be acted upon.

The UK should leave the EU. An opinion statement inferring that it would be an advisable course of action.

The UK will leave the EU. A statement of the course of events.

But if you still have difficulty in understanding the difference, I'm sorry for you.

[badgerx16]

44 minutes ago, Wes Tender said:

*yawn*  At least you have skirted around the full phrase that he said, that a trade deal with the EU should be the easiest in history. Of course, all of the remoaner media changed that from should to would/will, which anybody with half a brain would recognise isn't the same thing. As we had already been part of the EEC and then the EU for nearing 50 years, then of course it ought to have been a simpler matter to organise a FTA with the EU than it would have been for them organising one with a third country from scratch. But Fox ought to have realised that the EU would act like a jilted lover, throw a strop, attempt to punish us for having the audacity to leave their cosy little cartel and feel the need to demonstrate to other member states that it wasn't going to be easy leaving the EU.

*yawn* 

[badgerx16]

17 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

If you’re going to continue to use silly names then you are beyond help.

Wes likes using silly names, it makes him feel smug and superior, thereby papering over his inate inferiority complex.

Edited 8 December, 2020 by badgerx16

[Wes Tender]

5 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Wes likes using silly names, it makes him feel smug and superior, thereby papering over his inate inferiority complex.

*yawn*

[badgerx16]

15 minutes ago, Wes Tender said:

*yawn*

That's 2 yawns now - are you ready for your afternoon nap ?

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

You’re right, ‘should’ is conditional.  Remember this question?

"Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?”

Correct, that  was the question. Parliament then decided that we WOULD leave the European Union. That’s democracy for you.

[badgerx16]

The UK and EU have agreed procedures for the NI border, and the contentious clauses in the Internal Markets Bill are to be withdrawn.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55229681

 

Edited 8 December, 2020 by badgerx16

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Wes Tender said:

"Remoaner"? If it rankles, then don't respond. I think it is perfectly fitting epithet for all those on here who four and a half years after they lost the referendum vote, still persist in sobbing their little hearts out about how unfair it all is. Just as you are doing here.

Should the UK leave the EU? A question inviting a response, yes or no, and in a referendum, the majority response will be acted upon.

The UK should leave the EU. An opinion statement inferring that it would be an advisable course of action.

The UK will leave the EU. A statement of the course of events.

But if you still have difficulty in understanding the difference, I'm sorry for you.

I shall respond this once even though your behaviour does not warrant it.

Why the childish comments? Do you behave like this at home? In polite society?

[trousers]

2 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Should’ as part of a question is not definitive

So, a bit like putting suggestive wording like "Let's" on the side of a bus rather than something definitive...?

Edited 8 December, 2020 by trousers

[Verbal]

57 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

I shall respond this once even though your behaviour does not warrant it.

Why the childish comments? Do you behave like this at home? In polite society?

As I've said before, this guy is the sad result of retiree+Facebook.

[Sheaf Saint]

 

[badgerx16]

11 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

 

Just another 2-faced rat seeking to help himself above the rest of us and abandoning the floundering Brexit project he helped to promote.  It was announced in August that this was likely, they are saving millions in start up costs by taking over a former SMART plant from Mercedes-Benz. The abortive plan for Bridgend will have cost the Welsh Assembly about £5m.

Edited 8 December, 2020 by badgerx16

[trousers]

10 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Just another 2-faced rat seeking to help himself above the rest of us and abandoning the floundering Brexit project he helped to promote.  It was announced in August that this was likely, they are saving millions in start up costs by taking over a former SMART plant from Mercedes-Benz. The abortive plan for Bridgend will have cost the Welsh Assembly about £5m.

They say that it's nothing to do with Brexit and that it hasn't cost the Welsh Government anything.

But that can obviously be filed under "yes, they would say that, wouldn't they?"...

Edited 8 December, 2020 by trousers

[badgerx16]

Just now, trousers said:

They say that it's nothing to do with Brexit and that it hasn't cost the Welsh Government anything.

But that can obviously be filed under "yes, they would say that, wouldn't they?"

https://www.business-live.co.uk/manufacturing/end-road-ineos-500-job-18749024

 

However, it is understood that with enabling work preparing the site, as well as road infrastructure, the Welsh Government has spent around £5m supporting the project to date.

[View From The Top]

5 hours ago, Wes Tender said:

*yawn*  At least you have skirted around the full phrase that he said, that a trade deal with the EU should be the easiest in history. Of course, all of the remoaner media changed that from should to would/will, which anybody with half a brain would recognise isn't the same thing. As we had already been part of the EEC and then the EU for nearing 50 years, then of course it ought to have been a simpler matter to organise a FTA with the EU than it would have been for them organising one with a third country from scratch. But Fox ought to have realised that the EU would act like a jilted lover, throw a strop, attempt to punish us for having the audacity to leave their cosy little cartel and feel the need to demonstrate to other member states that it wasn't going to be easy leaving the EU.

Fucking hell, what a clueless wanker.

[John B]

Brexit has always been founded on a lie. The UK never could enjoy benefits of being in the EU + the supposed benefits of autonomy outside. Access to EU markets means following EU rules and an arbitration system. On this the EU can’t concede. Neither can Johnson.

 

Lies never end well

[badgerx16]

39 minutes ago, View From The Top said:

Fucking hell, what a clueless wanker.

Have you only just realised ?

[View From The Top]

59 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Have you only just realised ?

I've avoided the thread as a rule. 

Cultists, from both sides, tend to be room temperature IQ fuckwits.

[Sheaf Saint]

13 hours ago, trousers said:

They say that it's nothing to do with Brexit and that it hasn't cost the Welsh Government anything.

But that can obviously be filed under "yes, they would say that, wouldn't they?"...

In one breath they are saying it's not related to Brexit, and in the next they say they were won over by the location - giving "access to supply chains and markets".

But it absolutely, definitely, definitely isn't because of Brexit. 

In other completely unrelated news, Honda has had to suspend its UK manufacturing because of supply chain problems.

Take one guess what the cause of that is.

[Wes Tender]

14 hours ago, View From The Top said:

Fucking hell, what a clueless wanker.

Isn't it easy not to bother to refute anything, but instead to hurl puerile insults? It speaks volumes about the sort of person you are. This is your usual MO, suggestive that you aren't exactly clued up on the issues yourself, but only too ready to hurl insults at those who hold the opposite opinion to you.

[Wes Tender]

Whitey, I await your condemnation of the insulting language from VFTP. Or do you only level the criticism at those whose views you oppose?

[Raging Bull]

Well this thread is quite toxic, isn’t it...

It perfectly epitomises the world at the moment too, which is completely polarised. 

[egg]

5 minutes ago, Raging Bull said:

Well this thread is quite toxic, isn’t it...

It perfectly epitomises the world at the moment too, which is completely polarised. 

It is, and on a subject that none of the offenders can do anything about. 352 pages of mostly vitriol, and we'll get an outcome that all of the contributors will have to live with anyway. 

[Sheaf Saint]

 

[Whitey Grandad]

2 hours ago, Wes Tender said:

Whitey, I await your condemnation of the insulting language from VFTP. Or do you only level the criticism at those whose views you oppose?

You told me to ignore it so I didn’t read it. You also told me to ignore you.

[Tamesaint]

Johnson put up possibly his worst ever performance  at PMQs today... and there are quite a few contenders for that title! He was completely  roasted by Starmer.

Lets hope that this was because he has been preparing for his dinner date tonight. Another performance like that at the dinner table and they won't bother with dessert and coffee.

Edited 9 December, 2020 by Tamesaint

[Weston Super Saint]

3 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said:

 

A more reasoned explanation can be found here

[Wes Tender]

1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

You told me to ignore it so I didn’t read it. You also told me to ignore you.

Well, as you're ignoring my comments, I'll avail myself of the opportunity of accepting you are only critical of the language employed by those whose opinions you oppose, but totally ambivalent towards it from those you agree with. Hypocrite.

[Whitey Grandad]

4 hours ago, Wes Tender said:

Well, as you're ignoring my comments, I'll avail myself of the opportunity of accepting you are only critical of the language employed by those whose opinions you oppose, but totally ambivalent towards it from those you agree with. Hypocrite.

Are you really that petty? What on earth leads you to your conclusions? I am not an internet policeman nor can I be nor should I be. Each of us can only be responsible for what we ourselves write.
 

Whatever anyone else thinks of you they may or may not be justified in what they say. As far as I know they may be right.

 

Oh, hypocrite is not the word you’re looking for.

[Tamesaint]

6 hours ago, Tamesaint said:

 

Duplicate

Edited 9 December, 2020 by Tamesaint

[sadoldgit]

14 hours ago, Wes Tender said:

Isn't it easy not to bother to refute anything, but instead to hurl puerile insults? It speaks volumes about the sort of person you are. This is your usual MO, suggestive that you aren't exactly clued up on the issues yourself, but only too ready to hurl insults at those who hold the opposite opinion to you.

So constantly hurling the term “remoaner” about doesn’t count as a puerile insult?

[Verbal]

And the brainless incompetence goes on.  This is what Brexit has bequeathed us - Liz Truss, probably the least able SoS in a sea of Cabinet banality, giving something for nothing to the Americans over Airbus, the Americans not even thinking of giving an inch on reciprocal withdrawal of tariffs on damaging tariffs on, among other things,  Scottish whisky, and the Europeans peeved right at the moment when some good will is badly needed in the FTA negotiations. 

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1336801801509740546

No doubt the radicalised Facebook-obsessed OAPs among us will still have no trouble with any of this.  

[badgerx16]

12 minutes ago, Verbal said:

And the brainless incompetence goes on.  This is what Brexit has bequeathed us - Liz Truss, probably the least able SoS in a sea of Cabinet banality, giving something for nothing to the Americans over Airbus, the Americans not even thinking of giving an inch on reciprocal withdrawal of tariffs on damaging tariffs on, among other things,  Scottish whisky, and the Europeans peeved right at the moment when some good will is badly needed in the FTA negotiations. 

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1336801801509740546

No doubt the radicalised Facebook-obsessed OAPs among us will still have no trouble with any of this.  

There was never a snowflake's chance in hell that the UK would negotiate with the US as equals. Given the way the Brexit 'deal' has gone I dread to think how an FTA with the yanks might turn out.

Edited 9 December, 2020 by badgerx16

[Jonnyboy]

15 hours ago, Wes Tender said:

Isn't it easy not to bother to refute anything, but instead to hurl puerile insults? It speaks volumes about the sort of person you are. This is your usual MO, suggestive that you aren't exactly clued up on the issues yourself, but only too ready to hurl insults at those who hold the opposite opinion to you.

If it rankles. Then don't respond. 

[Weston Super Saint]

8 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

So constantly hurling the term “remoaner” about doesn’t count as a puerile insult?

Unlike 'Brexit Jihadists'?

[badgerx16]

9 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

So constantly hurling the term “remoaner” about doesn’t count as a puerile insult?

Wes has a set group of phrases that he is confident in using, and rarely strays from his script; remoaner, vicar's daughter, grocer Heath, regain control, sclerotic EU, pillaging our waters. At least he tends to refrain from"traitors", or asking for Remain voters to be strung up with piano wire.

PS: and his match assessments are usually spot on.