Brexit - Post Match Reaction

[Hockey_saint]

Well I think that old man was spot on.

 

But then I was never a "you're first up against the wall, comrade" type in the 70's.

 

Nah but you've clearly got a tinge of "we hate johnny foreigner" about you and a bit of a fantasist. You're argument would also be good if the traditional left didn't go along with your anti-EU stance as well....Comrade.

Edited 5 October, 2016 by Hockey_saint

[Wes Tender]

Thank God for Wes, the voice of common sense. All these years we've just been exporting to the EU when we could have been selling to China the US and the rest of the world. Im off to email Glaxo, Jaguar Landrover, Rolls Royce areo and BAe.

 

You have heard of bilateral trade deals, haven't you? I also would have thought that you knew we were not able to enter into those whilst we were in the EU. But maybe I credited you with more knowledge than you possess.

[Hockey_saint]

You have heard of bilateral trade deals, haven't you? I also would have thought that you knew we were not able to enter into those whilst we were in the EU. But maybe I credited you with more knowledge than you possess.

 

Very expensive and frankly, what bargaining position do we have? Our country has just been hijacked by a bunch of bufons who are playing to the racist foreigner hating crowd...we'll be a laughing stock.

[Wes Tender]

I love brexit the rest of the world can't believe how delusional we are and somehow a weak pound is a sign of strength. We can trade with the rest of the world now unfortunately we are useless when trying to sell in other markets and have a massive productively and investment problems. Devaluation of your currency did not work in the past and is only a short term fix.never mind somehow we will magically become world beaters outside.I find it embarrassing that we are begging for trade deals.

 

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Is English is your second language? If so, I apologise for finding it hard to follow you and acknowledge that you probably speak better English than I speak your mother tongue, (whatever that is).

[Trader]

Nah but you've clearly got a tinge of "we hate johnny foreigner" about you and a bit of a fantasist. You're argument would also be good if the traditional left didn't go along with your anti-EU stance as well....Comrade.

 

What the **** are you talking about.

 

You're (sic) argument doesn't hold water.

[Hockey_saint]

What the **** are you talking about.

 

You're (sic) argument doesn't hold water.

 

Nor does yours now carry on dreaming of the days of our glorious empire. You are aware it was the traditional position of the left to be against the EU right? That's why Enoch Powell told everyone to vote for them.

[buctootim]

You have heard of bilateral trade deals, haven't you? I also would have thought that you knew we were not able to enter into those whilst we were in the EU. But maybe I credited you with more knowledge than you possess.

 

Yes Ive heard of them Wes. What do you think our first priority as a free and glorious nation with our trusty sword of valour be? How long will it take us to get say the first five free trade deals? How long will it take to get to the 50 deals the EU already has? 30, 40 years? How much trade which is currently free will be subject to tariffs using WTO rules in the meantime? How many businesses will leave Britain as a result?

 

You are quite easily the least informed person posting on this thread. Most make good points at least part of the time. I genuinely cant remember the last time you posted anything which wasn't certifiably stupid.

 

 

 

Edited 5 October, 2016 by buctootim

[Hockey_saint]

What the **** are you talking about.

 

You're (sic) argument doesn't hold water.

 

But do tell, what made you vote leave? were there too many foreigners here...taking up our services...is Britain indeed full or did you buy the old "taking back crontrol" nonsense?

[Wes Tender]

Very expensive and frankly, what bargaining position do we have? Our country has just been hijacked by a bunch of bufons who are playing to the racist foreigner hating crowd...we'll be a laughing stock.

 

Er... the Bilateral Trade deals are there to do away with tariffs, you know. Who has hijacked our country? We still have a Conservative Government don't we? You come across as being rather hysterical, so I'm afraid that nobody is going to take you very seriously until you calm down and discuss it a bit more rationally.

[Hockey_saint]

Er... the Bilateral Trade deals are there to do away with tariffs, you know. Who has hijacked our country? We still have a Conservative Government don't we? You come across as being rather hysterical, so I'm afraid that nobody is going to take you very seriously until you calm down and discuss it a bit more rationally.

 

I'm totally rational. We have an unelected leader playing to the right wing of her party. Bilateral trade agreements are expensive and time consuming, especially if you want the best deal...perchance...who's knocking on our door at the minute eh?

[LuckyNumber7]

I'm off to America in a few weeks and no doubt my pounds to dollars won't go as far as they have done in the past. Having to pay a few more dollars for things while on holiday doesn't for a second make me regret voting to leave, it is so insignificant.

 

The far bigger picture is we took the last chance we had to free ourselves from the shackles of a corrupt, undemocratic and power hungry organisation, and become a sovereign nation again that governs it's own laws, controls how many immigrants we allow in, and decides where we spend OUR money, rather than having it dictated to us.

 

That is priceless.

[Hockey_saint]

I'm off to America in a few weeks and no doubt my pounds to dollars won't go as far as they have done in the past. Having to pay a few more dollars for things while on holiday doesn't for a second make me regret voting to leave, it is so insignificant.

 

The far bigger picture is we took the last chance we had to free ourselves from the shackles of a corrupt, undemocratic and power hungry organisation, and become a sovereign nation again that governs it's own laws, controls how many immigrants we allow in, and decides where we spend OUR money, rather than having it dictated to us.

 

That is priceless.

 

How did Nigel Farage become an MEP again? Oh yes, he was voted in democratically. What a pile of hyperbolic nonsense. What you are actually afraid of is becoming a smaller cog in a bigger wheel...move with the times.

[moonraker]

Er... the Bilateral Trade deals are there to do away with tariffs, you know. Who has hijacked our country? We still have a Conservative Government don't we? You come across as being rather hysterical, so I'm afraid that nobody is going to take you very seriously until you calm down and discuss it a bit more rationally.

Yes we have a Tory Government and there in lies the problem, it was the inability of the Tories to have a unified position on Europe that got us into this mess. For years your dysfunctional party (as are all political parties ) has failed to sort out what it really wanted from Europe, it called a referendum out of fear of UKIP and in an attempt to silence the B**stards in the party. Well it has failed on all counts and more importantly it has failed the country. Carry on spouting your crap about non-excitant bi-lateral trade deals, and how good (not) a weak pound is, any one with who has any grasp of how the modern world works would know you are spouting drivel. If that’s arrogance so be it, its better than your drivel. OAP Tories harking back to Empire you couldn’t make it up..

Edited 5 October, 2016 by moonraker

[Lord Duckhunter]

I'm totally rational. We have an unelected leader

 

Unelected by whom? She was elected by her party & MPs just like every other PM

 

Perhaps you could let me know the name of the last leader that was elected by the population , because there hasn't been one in my lifetime .

[Wes Tender]

Yes Ive heard of them Wes. What do you think our first priority as a free and glorious nation with our trusty sword of valour be? How long will it take us to get say the first five free trade deals? How long will it take to get to the 50 deals the EU already has? 30 years? How many businesses will leave Britain in the meantime?

 

You are quite easily the least informed person posting on this thread. Most make good points at least part of the time. I genuinely cant remember the last time you posted anything which wasn't certifiably stupid.

 

 

 

Thanks for posting up that map with the list of countries currently with trade agreements with the EU, those with pending agreements and those with which it is intending opening agreements with. It illustrates really clearly what a failure the EU has been when after so many years it hasn't concluded deals with the biggest movers and shakers in World trade. Go and masturbate over its arrangement with St Kitts and Nevis, Trinidad and Tobago, Belize, St Vincent and the Grenadines, Grenada, Haiti, etc. These are the real power houses of the developing industrial World.

 

Why hasn't it arranged trade deals with the USA, Canada, Brazil, China, Japan, India yet?

 

At the snail's pace that the EU proceeds when negotiating these trade deals and the difficulty it has in getting 27 member states to agree to them, I can see how it will be eminently possible for us to achieve deals with several of those countries ahead of the EU.

 

David Davis prioritises the order as being US, China, Canada and Hong Kong, followed by Australia, India, and South Korea. Sneer all you like, but let's wait and see whether we are more successful at getting some of those deals over the line more quickly than the EU. Anybody with any intelligence would not take the position that if it takes the EU 8 years to get close to signing a deal as it has with Canada, that it would therefore take a single independent country longer, especially when we have historical and cultural ties to some of those countries.

[Lord Duckhunter]

I'm off to America in a few weeks and no doubt my pounds to dollars won't go as far as they have done in the past. Having to pay a few more dollars for things while on holiday doesn't for a second make me regret voting to leave, it is so insignificant.

 

The far bigger picture is we took the last chance we had to free ourselves from the shackles of a corrupt, undemocratic and power hungry organisation, and become a sovereign nation again that governs it's own laws, controls how many immigrants we allow in, and decides where we spend OUR money, rather than having it dictated to us.

 

That is priceless.

 

Well said

[buctootim]

Thanks for posting up that map with the list of countries currently with trade agreements with the EU, those with pending agreements and those with which it is intending opening agreements with. It illustrates really clearly what a failure the EU has been when after so many years it hasn't concluded deals with the biggest movers and shakers in World trade. Go and masturbate over its arrangement with St Kitts and Nevis, Trinidad and Tobago, Belize, St Vincent and the Grenadines, Grenada, Haiti, etc. These are the real power houses of the developing industrial World.

 

Why hasn't it arranged trade deals with the USA, Canada, Brazil, China, Japan, India yet?

 

At the snail's pace that the EU proceeds when negotiating these trade deals and the difficulty it has in getting 27 member states to agree to them, I can see how it will be eminently possible for us to achieve deals with several of those countries ahead of the EU.

 

David Davis prioritises the order as being US, China, Canada and Hong Kong, followed by Australia, India, and South Korea. Sneer all you like, but let's wait and see whether we are more successful at getting some of those deals over the line more quickly than the EU. Anybody with any intelligence would not take the position that if it takes the EU 8 years to get close to signing a deal as it has with Canada, that it would therefore take a single independent country longer, especially when we have historical and cultural ties to some of those countries.

 

Still going over your head I see. The current deals exist because they are mutually beneficial. Developing countries provide a market for our goods and in turn supply things we cant produce, like some foods and raw materials. Industrialised country deals are far more difficult because they compete in the same industries. You want a free trade deal with China? Good luck with that. They export far far more to us than we do to them and have already decimated British industry. Removing tariffs should finish a few more off. Same with Japan, tariffs are the reason they have factories in Britain, without them they have no incentive to do so. Currently we have free access to 79 markets, including our neighbours and biggest trading partners. On day 1 we will have zero.

Edited 5 October, 2016 by buctootim

[hutch]

How did Nigel Farage become an MEP again? Oh yes, he was voted in democratically. What a pile of hyperbolic nonsense. What you are actually afraid of is becoming a smaller cog in a bigger wheel...move with the times.

I was listening to an item on the BBC in the car on the way home, about the impact of a recent Court judgement in the ECJ on President Junker's plans for free WiFi in all of Europe's towns and cities.

 

Remind us again who elected President Junker.

[buctootim]

I was listening to an item on the BBC in the car on the way home, about the impact of a recent Court judgement in the ECJ on President Junker's plans for free WiFi in all of Europe's towns and cities.

 

Remind us again who elected President Junker.

Europe's top civil servant was appointed by the elected Heads of Government. Did you vote for Sir Jeremy Heywood?

[Wes Tender]

Still going over your head I see. The current deals exist because they are mutually beneficial. Developing countries provide a market for our goods and in turn supply things we cant produce, like some foods and raw materials. Industrialised country deals are far more difficult because they compete in the same industries. You want a free trade deal with China? Good luck with that. They export far far more to us than we do to them and have already decimated British industry. Removing tariffs should finish a few more off. Same with Japan, tariffs are the reason they have factories in Britain, without them they have no incentive to do so. Currently we have free access to 79 markets, including our neighbours and biggest trading partners. On day 1 we will have zero.

 

I see that you had missed the snide arrogance from your original post, so had to edit it to include it. When it comes to being clueless, we will have to see whether we arrange the Norway or Switzerland option for continued trade with the EU that you insisted we had no alternative to. It begins to look very unlikely that we will go down that route, so egg could yet be all over your smug face if we don't.

 

You conclude that a trade deal with China should not be sought because they export far more to us than we do to them. You mean in the same way the EU export far more to us than we do to them? The EU has also decimated many of our industries, but you probably hadn't noticed. Are these also the reasons why the EU has not arranged deals with those economic power houses, because one member state or another vetoed the deal for fear of the impact on their industries?

 

I very much doubt that we will have zero trading partners on day one. We will have put in place several trade deals before we finally leave the EU and these will become effective from day one.

[Verbal]

You don't have to whisper socialism anymore Verbal, come on, say it out loud!

 

Would that be the same 'socialism' of Corbyn's closest political ally in the Commons Lady Nugee (aka Emily Thornberry), and her £4 million property empire?

 

She's a vacuous hypocrite, and if you think she represents the path to socialism, with her rich-sneering-at-the-poor photo of white van man's house, good luck...

 

On which subject, I see that in the same week that we discover the shocking extent of Brexiter violence after the referendum...

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-david-cameron-nigel-farage-council-of-europe-report-racist-violence-intolerance-hate-speech-a7345166.html

 

...the Tories, in the form of the ludicrous Amber Rudd, announced yesterday her plan to name and shame companies with foreign workers. Aside from having to check that this is 21st century Britain and not post-1933 Germany, the willingness of Rudd to stoke anti-foreign sentiment, in the manner of Farage's 'breaking point' poster (launched on the day Jo Cox was hacked and shot to death) is genuinely frightening.

 

We should also presumably all run companies in the way Rudd herself does. In her eight years as MD, it paid not a single penny in corporation tax - at least in part because of the involvement in her company affairs of her father, Tony Rudd. Rudd senior, who was paid substantial 'fees' by Rudd junior, was at the time banned from being a director after asset stripping another company. He'd also been investigated not once but three times by the then DTI.

 

Honestly, between the sanctimonious 'socialist' multi-millionaire Thornberry and the pompous, non-tax-paying Rudd, it does seem that recent events have displaced the political class with the cretinous class.

[buctootim]

The EU has also decimated many of our industries, but you probably hadn't noticed.

 

You're right Wes, I hadn't noticed. Which ones have they decimated?

[ecuk268]

Unelected by whom? She was elected by her party & MPs just like every other PM

 

Perhaps you could let me know the name of the last leader that was elected by the population , because there hasn't been one in my lifetime .

 

She wasn't elected by her party. Leadsom withdrew from the final round which was when the party members would have voted, so May became leader by default.

[Batman]

She wasn't elected by her party. Leadsom withdrew from the final round which was when the party members would have voted, so May became leader by default.

 

its how our system works. we never vote for the leader (unless he/she is your local MP)

but you know that

[Wes Tender]

You're right Wes, I hadn't noticed. Which ones have they decimated?

 

Happy to fill these gaps in your knowledge, Timmy.

 

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2016/04/10/eu-subsidises-the-chinese-steel-which-is-decimating-british-industry/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/21/the-eu-has-destroyed-some-of-our-most-prosperous-industries---an/

http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2016/06/16/how-joining-the-eu-led-to-a-big-decline-in-uk-industry/

http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/features/readersletters/14541886.York_s_manufacturing_has_been_decimated_in_the_European_Union__letter_/

 

Of course, there are many more, including the one right on our doorstep, Ford moving its Transit production to Turkey with the aid of a European Investment Bank low interest loan for instance

[moonraker]

its how our system works. we never vote for the leader (unless he/she is your local MP)

but you know that

Glad you are a believer in our system, the same system that means parliament is supreme and the referendum was only advisory. Therefore it should, under our system, be for parliament to decide whether they take the peoples advice, but then you knew that.

[Batman]

Glad you are a believer in our system, the same system that means parliament is supreme and the referendum was only advisory. Therefore it should, under our system, be for parliament to decide whether they take the peoples advice, but then you knew that.

 

the government appear to be taking the advice offered in the referendum.

thankfully

[Whitey Grandad]

Its not a difficult advert to understand is it? Its not at all misleading.

It was factually incorrect by a very big margin and deliberately misleading. Some people will have believed it and I have even seen this figure repeated on here by some.

[Hockey_saint]

Unelected by whom? She was elected by her party & MPs just like every other PM

 

Perhaps you could let me know the name of the last leader that was elected by the population , because there hasn't been one in my lifetime .

 

I can tell you the biggest named MP calling for a new election as Gordon Brown was "unelected"....Theresa May MP. You make it too easy for me. I'll be honest, I just can't understand your reasoning, either you believe every lie the right wing media, such as the Daily Mail tells you and you're a fool or you actually have some brains and just enjoy politically suicidal gambles. The conservatives took us into Europe and ever since, the sinister, bitter, little Englander side of the party have been trying to drag us out again. Nuts.

 

There is a stereotype that all football fans are nothing more than mindless rightwing apes.....don't be one of those.

[Whitey Grandad]

Its a good example of where our net contribution to the EU could be spent. Why do you find that difficult to understand?

Because it was nowhere near that amount and we all know that any savings will be minor and certainly wot be spent on the NHS.

[Whitey Grandad]

It was totally misleading as it did not acknowledge that a large proportion of that money came back to the UK in the form of grants and subsidies so on that basis alone it was a Lie. The net flow of cash out was very much lower and that was the price of being a member of the club. As far as I know you do not get free membership of a golf club for very obvious reasons. Typically those who voted 'out' want everything for nothing, little englanders used to a nanny welfare state where you don't have to work if you can't be Rrsed.

Nor did it take into account the loss of GDP from leaving which far outweighs the net contribution.

[Hockey_saint]

I was listening to an item on the BBC in the car on the way home, about the impact of a recent Court judgement in the ECJ on President Junker's plans for free WiFi in all of Europe's towns and cities.

 

Remind us again who elected President Junker.

 

It's going over your head a bit isn't it? You know how our system works for electing a leader as you point out....And you know those MEPs we vote in office every 4 years?.....getting the point? No, they're not undemocratically elected, you're just uncomfortable with being a small fish in a bigger pond.

[Batman]

the squinnying still going on is funny.

 

it's happening. time to suck it up

[Hockey_saint]

the squinnying still going on is funny.

 

it's happening. time to suck it up

 

I'll mention that to the citizens of Gibraltar or Scotland or Northern Ireland. This isn't a game Batman; our currency is tanking, foreign governments have drawn up lists of their companies who no longer want to do business with us whilst we hav the biggest buffoon of the lot as a bloomin foreign sec. and the tory party are basically turning into UKIP; you couldn't make it up. We have a right to continue to protest so we'll continue cheers.

[notnowcato]

I'm totally rational. We have an unelected leader playing to the right wing of her party. Bilateral trade agreements are expensive and time consuming, especially if you want the best deal...perchance...who's knocking on our door at the minute eh?

 

Erm.... wrong, just wrong - very wrong.

[Hockey_saint]

Erm.... wrong, just wrong - very wrong.

 

How's it wrong again? she didn't even sit a leadership contest....But please, enlighten us again, we all understand she's an elected MP....From Kent, we understand that, where arcaic grammar schools still exist, we understand that but if she's not unelected, why did she call Gordon Brown such when he got in exactly the same way, you are making no sense... Or is this just blurt out "oh she wears nice shoes so not being elected by here peers against opposition doesn't mean she's unelected anymore"....OOORRRR!!! do you want it like the conservatives do by redrawing the boundaries, and call an essentially one party (person) state "democracy"?

 

 

 

Clue for you....That's not democracy.

Edited 5 October, 2016 by Hockey_saint

[Sour Mash]

Because it was nowhere near that amount and we all know that any savings will be minor and certainly wot be spent on the NHS.

How much is it?

 

Our gross contribution figure is relevant anyway, as we can spend it where we want. Which was a very easy point to understand for anyone apart from the very simple on here.

 

Anyway, you've filled up this thread with lies, so it's a little rich you're (wrongly) accusing others.

[notnowcato]

How's it wrong again? she didn't even sit a leadership contest....But please, enlighten us again, we all understand she's an elected MP....From Kent, we understand that, where arcaic grammar schools still exist, we understand that but if she's not unelected, why did she call Gordon Brown such when he got in exactly the same way, you are making no sense... Or is this just blurt out "oh she wears nice shoes so not being elected by here peers against opposition doesn't mean she's unelected anymore"....OOORRRR!!! do you want it like the conservatives do by redrawing the boundaries, and call an essential one party (person) state "democracy"?

 

Wrong - very wrong, just wrong.

 

The rest is just nonsense.

[Hockey_saint]

How much is it?

 

Our gross contribution figure is relevant anyway, as we can spend it where we want. Which was a very easy point to understand for anyone apart from the very simple on here.

 

Anyway, you've filled up this thread with lies, so it's a little rich you're (wrongly) accusing others.

 

Your use of "we" is very interesting....who's spending that money again now? Those with besties in the private sector that's who because it sure as heck won't go where it's needed most as that's not the conservative way.

[moonraker]

the government appear to be taking the advice offered in the referendum.

thankfully

 

Yes but they do not have parlmentary backing, the Government is not parliament, aka they are abusing our system so beloved of you Brexiters.

[Hockey_saint]

Wrong - very wrong, just wrong.

 

The rest is just nonsense.

 

How's it nonsense again? you are talking out of your backside.....

 

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/sep/08/kent-children-11-plus-government-plans-grammar-schools

 

Just for you, this is a nice one...imagine it, 2007 and an MP called Theresa May calls Gordon Brown unelected and calls for an election....

 

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-may-urged-gordon-brown-to-hold-an-election-when-he-came-to-power-in-2007-a3293521.html

 

You say wrong, but you don't elaborate, mainly because you have no clue what you are talking about.

[Hockey_saint]

Yes but they do not have parlmentary backing, the Government is not parliament, aka they are abusing our system so beloved of you Brexiters.

 

Because they know if they put it to parliament, they'd lose resoundedly so they're using a very undemocratic tool to get their way....the far right of the conservative party all over.

[notnowcato]

Theresa May, born in Sussex, MP for Maidenhead - that's in Berkshire BTW. Leader of the Conservative party.

 

There you go Hockey. Can you see where you might be wrong now? If not, re-read the line above this.

[Hockey_saint]

Theresa May, born in Sussex, MP for Maidenhead - that's in Berkshire BTW. Leader of the Conservative party.

 

There you go Hockey. Can you see where you might be wrong now? If not, re-read the line above this.

 

Your point?....That's a very minor point by the way, almost point scoring as the titanic sinks....how about the rest, how are they wrong?...do elaborate....

[Sour Mash]

Your use of "we" is very interesting....who's spending that money again now? Those with besties in the private sector that's who because it sure as heck won't go where it's needed most as that's not the conservative way.

Who do you think? You're one of the funnier wind ups on here, on a par with Glasgow.

[Hockey_saint]

Who do you think? You're one of the funnier wind ups on here, on a par with Glasgow.

 

I think it'll either go the Jeremy Hunt bonkers way of wanting a French system but not actually paying for it or...if he continues the way he's going, we'll have no doctors to staff it. Either way, that money is going straight into the coffers of big pharma execs and nowhere else.....we the people eh?

[Sour Mash]

I think it'll either go the Jeremy Hunt bonkers way of wanting a French system but not actually paying for it or...if he continues the way he's going, we'll have no doctors to staff it. Either way, that money is going straight into the coffers of big pharma execs and nowhere else.....we the people eh?

It was a rhetorical question, f**ks sake

[Hockey_saint]

It was a rhetorical question, f**ks sake

 

Kinda doesn't work online. A bit like sarcasm. Either way meh. I just see this country turning into a very nasty place unless you are a selected type.

[Batman]

I'll mention that to the citizens of Gibraltar or Scotland or Northern Ireland. This isn't a game Batman; our currency is tanking, foreign governments have drawn up lists of their companies who no longer want to do business with us whilst we hav the biggest buffoon of the lot as a bloomin foreign sec. and the tory party are basically turning into UKIP; you couldn't make it up. We have a right to continue to protest so we'll continue cheers.

Currency wasn't tanking the other week and you didn't mention much about it then. It won't be tanking in a few weeks time

Edited 5 October, 2016 by Batman

[Batman]

Yes but they do not have parlmentary backing, the Government is not parliament, aka they are abusing our system so beloved of you Brexiters.

It's happening

I think you should accept it