Brexit - Post Match Reaction

[shurlock]

I see that neither you nor Badger are going to debunk anything that the article says. So I cite articles from sources that represent my opinions from the side of the political spectrum and policy positions that I approve of. What a revelation eh? Are you and Badger going to deny that you do exactly the same thing? I would have thought that it was a human nature trait, wouldn't you?

 

I consider a comparison between the pay of the PM and a Civil Service mandarin to be more an eating apple and cooking apple one, or an orange and mandarin orange one. Apples and oranges is more one between the PM and say a Premier League footballer. And yes, I have worked in the Civil Service many moons ago, although quite what that has to do with anything is beyond me.

 

Not the benefits office or wherever it was.

 

I asked have you worked in central government or Whitehall? Because if you had worked in it, you would know that if Rutnam was as incompetent as claimed, there is absolutely no way he would have risen through the ranks to become Permanent Secretary. For better or worse, Whitehall is risk-averse when it comes to promotions: competence, integrity and a safe pair of hands trump virtually everything else.

 

Of course what all this has to do with Patel’s alleged bullying and lying is beyond me. Let’s see how his claim for unfair dismissal goes.

Edited 1 March, 2020 by shurlock

[badgerx16]

When I have a different opinion to that expressed in those publications. Also, much depends on who the author of the article is. You?

 

I don't read either.

[badgerx16]

I see that neither you nor Badger are going to debunk anything that the article says.

I am currently not in a position to investigate or critique that article, but at the same time I have absolutely no desire or need to do so. The fact it is in the Mail places it firmly in the 'dubious' category, and as such that summarises concisely my view of it.

What is your take on the theoretical position that the UK does not need farming or fisheries ?

[Tamesaint]

God clearly disapproves of Brexit. Every weekend since we left the EU we have had a storm and now a plague is hitting us.

 

It will be locusts next !!

[buctootim]

God clearly disapproves of Brexit. Every weekend since we left the EU we have had a storm and now a plague is hitting us.

 

It will be locusts next !!

 

Sunny in Berlin and Paris today. Coincidence? I think not!

[shurlock]

What a week or two: from the humiliating admission that a trade deal with the US -presented as one of the great prizes of leaving the EU (see OP) will have a near negligible impact on the economy (don’t spend your winnings all at once lads); to the delay of the UK’s rival to Galileo (another symbol of post-Brexit independence) amid internal wrangling and rising costs; to Michael Gove endorsing claims that the UK will need to hire up up to 50,000 people to deal with an explosion of customs paperwork and red tape even if the UK secures a Canada-style deal; to Brexiters accusing the government of selling the country’s soul, security and sovereignty to Huawei and the Chinese state (that’s what happening when you’re the weaker party lads); to farmers in uproar over subsidies and post-Brexit plans, to deepening angst in NI over the border - reality is beginning to bite.

 

Cue the usual ignorant sloganeering and conspiratorial nonsense from the usual suspects.

 

#funandgames

Edited 7 March, 2020 by shurlock

[Wes Tender]

What a week or two: from the humiliating admission that a trade deal with the US -presented as one of the great prizes of leaving the EU (see OP) will have a near negligible impact on the economy (don’t spend your winnings all at once lads); to the delay of the UK’s rival to Galileo (another symbol of post-Brexit independence) amid internal wrangling and rising costs; to Michael Gove endorsing claims that the UK will need to hire up up to 50,000 people to deal with an explosion of customs paperwork and red tape even if the UK secures a Canada-style deal; to Brexiters accusing the government of selling the country’s soul, security and sovereignty to Huawei and the Chinese state (that’s what happening when you’re the weaker party lads); to farmers in uproar over subsidies and post-Brexit plans, to deepening angst in NI over the border - reality is beginning to bite.

 

Cue the usual ignorant sloganeering and conspiratorial nonsense from the usual suspects.

 

#funandgames

 

And then there's coronavirus too. You sound as if you're in need of a good chat to somebody at The Samaritans, Gavyn. We only left at the end of January. It's a bit premature for you to get so depressed and negative about things that might never happen.

[OldNick]

I suppose if the virus is deadly and it will affect the elderly most, once this is over we will get the Remainers canvassing for another Eureferendum as the leave vote will have been culled.

[Wes Tender]

I suppose if the virus is deadly and it will affect the elderly most, once this is over we will get the Remainers canvassing for another Eureferendum as the leave vote will have been culled.

 

So it's a damned good thing that the body responsible for authorising referenda, the government, has a stonking great majority, and a solid Brexiteer cabinet too. I note that prominent former remoaners like our ex-chancellor Hammond (whatever happened to him?) have suggested that perhaps it would be a good idea to delay the Implementation period beyond the 31st December, as the coronavirus provided a decent excuse for him to attempt to put the trade talks on the back burner. Happily, that deadline is engraved into law and Boris has stated that it is not going to be overturned. The message doesn't seem to have penetrated Von De Leyen's brain yet, but it is still early days and the penny/pfennig/cent will eventually drop, no doubt.

[Guided Missile]

The US will have to ride to Europe's rescue again.

 

Italy needs a precautionary rescue of up to $700bn from the US and the major powers to head off the danger of a global crisis, a bail-out veteran from the International Monetary Fund has warned. Ashoka Mody, the IMF’s former deputy director in Europe, said economic fall-out from the coronavirus is pushing Italy to the brink of “vicious negative feedback loop”, raising the risk of a financial chain-reaction through the international system. A fully credible firewall would require funding of €500bn to €700bn, orders of magnitude greater than any previous package in history. “The Europeans can’t do it themselves. They’re hopelessly divided and financially much weaker than they were ten years ago. Their instinct will be to punt,” he said. Professor Mody said Italy’s economy is large enough to trigger a broader world crisis if mismanaged at this critical juncture. The Italian government is being forced to take ever more dramatic steps as the death toll soars to 631, with dire consequences for small businesses and companies already struggling to stay afloat after an economic relapse last year.

 

On Tuesday Rome suspended all normal economic activity in Lombardy and the Veneto, with only pharmacies, food shops, and survival services remaining open. “Time is short. Germany and France are themselves about to experience rapid spread of the virus, and their economic and financial systems are already under acute stress,” said Prof Mody, who led the joint EU-IMF Troika rescue for Ireland during the eurozone crisis. The European bail-out machinery (ESM) is slow and bureaucratic, and requires the political assent of the German Bundestag under tough conditions. The threat is so big in any case that it would take the firepower of the US Treasury to convince markets, as well as funding from the IMF. Britain might have to take part. “They need to start now,” he said.

It could be a credit line rather than actual funding. However, the Trump administration is preoccupied with the Covid-19 crisis at home and is highly unlikely to come to Europe’s aid until matters are already extremely serious. Italy’s sovereign debt is the world’s third largest in absolute terms at over €2 trillion and is tightly interwoven with the banking system. Italian bank stocks have halved in value since mid-February, almost guaranteeing a credit crunch and again raising the spectre of a sovereign-bank ‘doom-loop’ akin to events in 2011. The IMF can play a coordinating role but it lacks the money to backstop the Europeans on its own. It used up a shockingly large share of its resources during the joint Troika rescues in Greece, Portugal, and Ireland. This challenge would be much greater.

 

I bet there will be a lot of regret about the way that Trump has been treated by the EU (and Johnson, for that matter), as I have a feeling it will be all hands to the pump to save Italy. I also have a feeling the death knell for the euro is soon to be heard.

[redkeith]

The US will have to ride to Europe's rescue again.

 

 

 

I bet there will be a lot of regret about the way that Trump has been treated by the EU (and Johnson, for that matter), as I have a feeling it will be all hands to the pump to save Italy. I also have a feeling the death knell for the euro is soon to be heard.

 

Not happening, ( the collapse of the Euro) Since Give's statement on the trade talks, the pound has dropped 9 cents to 1.12

[Wes Tender]

The face to face talks with the EU over the future trade arrangements have apparently been cancelled because of the coronavirus. However, other means of continuing the dialogue such as video conferencing are being explored. Both sides will be presenting their recently published trade proposal plans. The UK is not seeking any form of bespoke agreement; it wants a Canada style FTA similar to those already in place with other third party countries like Canada, Japan and S.Korea. Barnier has prepared their proposals on the basis of the mandate he has received following talks among the 27 member states.

 

A Senior EU diplomat has apparently said that the EU's position will be "take it or leave it". Good luck with that one. If they wish to be so stupid as to put that particular gun against Boris' head, then it is going to backfire badly and they will be told that the talks might as well end right there. The same thing if the French insist on having the same level of continued access to our coastal waters as a price to pay before trading arrangements commence.

[Guided Missile]

So, while countries across the world actually do something about the disease we are facing, the EU "project" is disintegrating in front of our eyes. With the end of the Schengen concept and the pitiful ECB, in managing anything to do with the economy of Europe, we witness the return of the nation state. The euro will disappear with covid-19, when the major economies have to pay off the debts of Spain and Italy, and sanity will return.

We have been lectured by politicians and economists for years and they are all now shown as the false prophets they are. Pumped up by their own self-inflated egos, they will have to rely on the sectors of our society that have been undervalued for far too long - our scientists and healthcare professionals. Forget religion, forget the casino bankers that didn't see this coming, our only saviours will be technology and community care, driven by national pride and shared values, not politics and profit.

So, goodbye EU and good luck. We will join in the fight with you, but as I have posted many times on this thread, I am relieved the UK is in one of the first lifeboats, watching the EU Titanic disappear beneath the waves.

[Saint_clark]

Rather funny how quick they are to shut up shop. Germany closing its land borders, I thought we were trying to do away with them. So much for an ever closer union.

 

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[benjii]

Clearly absolutely zero prospect of a deal by our deadline in the current circumstances (not that there was much anyway).

[shurlock]

So, while countries across the world actually do something about the disease we are facing, the EU "project" is disintegrating in front of our eyes. With the end of the Schengen concept and the pitiful ECB, in managing anything to do with the economy of Europe, we witness the return of the nation state. The euro will disappear with covid-19, when the major economies have to pay off the debts of Spain and Italy, and sanity will return.

We have been lectured by politicians and economists for years and they are all now shown as the false prophets they are. Pumped up by their own self-inflated egos, they will have to rely on the sectors of our society that have been undervalued for far too long - our scientists and healthcare professionals. Forget religion, forget the casino bankers that didn't see this coming, our only saviours will be technology and community care, driven by national pride and shared values, not politics and profit.

So, goodbye EU and good luck. We will join in the fight with you, but as I have posted many times on this thread, I am relieved the UK is in one of the first lifeboats, watching the EU Titanic disappear beneath the waves.

 

How’s the pound faring at this time of stress - surely investors must flocking to it relative to the doomed euro? I know you love your chats.

 

The EU is not a federal state: health policy is almost exclusively determined by member states. The EU can only intervene to complement the actions of member states. Perhaps you want the EU to do more in in this area in which case I assume you want more power to it? Likewise the rules of Schengen aren’t absolute - they've always allowed for temporary réintroductions of border controls when there is a threat to public policy and/or internal security. All these years frothing and railing against the EU and you still don’t know the basics.

Edited 16 March, 2020 by shurlock

[badgerx16]

How’s the pound faring at this time of stress - surely investors must flocking to it relative to the doomed euro? I know you love your chats.

 

The EU is not a federal state: health policy is almost exclusively determined by member states. The EU can only intervene to complement the actions of member states. Perhaps you want the EU to do more in in this area in which case I assume you want more power to it? Likewise the rules of Schengen aren’t absolute - they've always allowed for temporary réintroductions of border controls when there is a threat to public policy and/or internal security. All these years frothing and railing against the EU and you still don’t know the basics.

Wait until the trade talks are postponed for a year.

[Wes Tender]

Wait until the trade talks are postponed for a year.

 

We'll be out on 31st December on WTO if no FTA has been agreed with the EU before then. If they want to put to postpone trade talks beyond that, then that's up to them.

[benjii]

We'll be out on 31st December on WTO if no FTA has been agreed with the EU before then. If they want to put to postpone trade talks beyond that, then that's up to them.

 

It's kind of up to us as well, seeing as we did want to do a deal and evidently that isn't going to happen.

[Guided Missile]

We'll be out on 31st December on WTO if no FTA has been agreed with the EU before then. If they want to put to postpone trade talks beyond that, then that's up to them.

The EU is totally fragmented and the individual member states are acting in self interest, as they always do. We just have to prepare for an Australian WTO exit. An example of the EU's effectiveness in our time of need has been demonstrated with Italy. Italian ambassador to the EU: “Italy has already asked to activate the EU Mechanism of Civil Protection for the supply of medical equipment for individual protection. But, unfortunately, not a single EU country responded to the Commission’s call.”

We're on our own, lads...

[Wes Tender]

It's kind of up to us as well, seeing as we did want to do a deal and evidently that isn't going to happen.

 

Yes, we would prefer a FTA deal along the lines of those already arranged between the EU with Canada, Japan and S.Korea. But we have placed a 31st December deadline on it, and also made it conditional on no level playing field rules and regulations equivalence, no continued fishing access to our territorial waters as if we were still an EU member, and no continued jurisdiction of the ECJ. Before there is talk of delays to the trade talks, it should not take long for the EU to accept those conditions from us. If they aren't prepared to do so, then there is really no point in taking it any further and we go to WTO, similar to what the EU have with Australia.

 

I note that the EU would love to keep us in a status quo situation whereby we continue to pay into their pot for as long as possible. I also note that many remoaners continue to delude themselves that substantial delays might mean that we will either go for a really soft Brexit, or even their fantasy unicorn dream, that we will decide against leaving altogether.

[benjii]

Yes, we would prefer a FTA deal along the lines of those already arranged between the EU with Canada, Japan and S.Korea. But we have placed a 31st December deadline on it, and also made it conditional on no level playing field rules and regulations equivalence, no continued fishing access to our territorial waters as if we were still an EU member, and no continued jurisdiction of the ECJ. Before there is talk of delays to the trade talks, it should not take long for the EU to accept those conditions from us. If they aren't prepared to do so, then there is really no point in taking it any further and we go to WTO, similar to what the EU have with Australia.

 

I note that the EU would love to keep us in a status quo situation whereby we continue to pay into their pot for as long as possible. I also note that many remoaners continue to delude themselves that substantial delays might mean that we will either go for a really soft Brexit, or even their fantasy unicorn dream, that we will decide against leaving altogether.

 

The deadline was based on an expectation of a certain amount of time in which to seek a deal. The discussions necessary to achieve that seem unlikely to happen. It would be logical to move the departure date back to ensure sufficient time to hold those discussions in line with the original plan.

[Wes Tender]

The deadline was based on an expectation of a certain amount of time in which to seek a deal. The discussions necessary to achieve that seem unlikely to happen. It would be logical to move the departure date back to ensure sufficient time to hold those discussions in line with the original plan.

 

If your assessment of the time required is based on delays brought about by the coronavirus, then you infer that talks can only take place if face to face. Modern communication facilities allow for alternative methods by which talks can continue remotely. Precedent of EU strategy shows that they will always extend the amount of time necessary to finalise talks to the maximum length available to them, especially when as I pointed out, we would have to continue paying into the EU cash trough. In any event, as I also pointed out, it shouldn't take long to establish whether we are wasting our time negotiating with them if they are not prepared to accept our conditions for the talks to advance, should it? As to the FTA, blueprints for what we are asking for are already in existence from the Canada/Japan/S.Korea deals. The deadline is one of our strongest cards and will concentrate their minds wonderfully. I'm sure that the EU and the remaining remoaners here would love us to extend the deadline for as long as possible.

[hypochondriac]

It would be retarded not to extend the implementation period under the circumstances.

[benjii]

It would be retarded not to extend the implementation period under the circumstances.

 

Indeed......

[shurlock]

It would be retarded not to extend the implementation period under the circumstances.

 

Remember we're talking about arch-swivels like Les here.

[Wes Tender]

Remember we're talking about arch-swivels like Les here.

Says arch-remoaner EU arse-licker Gavyn.

[shurlock]

Says arch-remoaner EU arse-licker Gavyn.

 

Do you think an extension to the transition period is sensible in the present circumstances?

[buctootim]

Do you think an extension to the transition period is sensible in the present circumstances?

 

Generally Wes doesn't think, he feels and he wants.

[Wes Tender]

Generally Wes doesn't think, he feels and he wants.

 

There's always the Norway option, isn't there, Timmy. Or maybe there isn't. You think, but you think wrong.

[Wes Tender]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/13/brexit-will-not-be-delayed-by-coronavirus-says-johnson

 

Here's the government's position clearly stated. All you remoaners shut your eyes, cover your ears, and deny it all you want, insult anybody who delivers the message, but you're all just p*ssing in the wind.

[Plastic]

Wes, the fact that you are still gnashing your teeth about this given the current situation makes you sound a bit mental.

[shurlock]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/13/brexit-will-not-be-delayed-by-coronavirus-says-johnson

 

Here's the government's position clearly stated. All you remoaners shut your eyes, cover your ears, and deny it all you want, insult anybody who delivers the message, but you're all just p*ssing in the wind.

 

I’m not asking what the government’s position is - I’m asking if you think it’s sensible.

[buctootim]

...

Edited 16 March, 2020 by buctootim
wrong thread

[Wes Tender]

I’m not asking what the government’s position is - I’m asking if you think it’s sensible.

 

You appear to have developed an inability to draw simple correlations between posts and opinions, Gavyn. Are you feeling well?

 

Is it more likely that I would post links to articles that I approved of, or disapproved of?

 

In general terms, as a Conservative Party member and voter, I expect broadly to agree with government policy. Does that come as a surprise to you for some reason? In typical insult mode, you have labelled me an arch-swivel, terminology that you aim as an insult to those Brexiteers who take a firm line over our leaving the EU , those prepared if necessary to leave on WTO terms if a sensible FTA is not forthcoming.

 

Given all that, and the additional opinions that I posted (and which were largely supported by that article), do you really need to ask me whether I thought that it was sensible for the government to state that they would not extend the Implementation period?

 

Just in case it still doesn't penetrate, the answer is yes, I do think that not extending is sensible.

[shurlock]

You appear to have developed an inability to draw simple correlations between posts and opinions, Gavyn. Are you feeling well?

 

Is it more likely that I would post links to articles that I approved of, or disapproved of?

 

In general terms, as a Conservative Party member and voter, I expect broadly to agree with government policy. Does that come as a surprise to you for some reason? In typical insult mode, you have labelled me an arch-swivel, terminology that you aim as an insult to those Brexiteers who take a firm line over our leaving the EU , those prepared if necessary to leave on WTO terms if a sensible FTA is not forthcoming.

 

Given all that, and the additional opinions that I posted (and which were largely supported by that article), do you really need to ask me whether I thought that it was sensible for the government to state that they would not extend the Implementation period?

 

Just in case it still doesn't penetrate, the answer is yes, I do think that not extending is sensible.

 

Good to have it on the record in black and white. A rambling post apart, that wasn’t too hard, was it?

 

Of course, it’s still far from clear what your position would be if government policy changed and it decided that an extension was desirable -given the ambiguities in your position but I don’t want to confuse you any further pal

Edited 16 March, 2020 by shurlock

[saint1977]

Wes, the fact that you are still gnashing your teeth about this given the current situation makes you sound a bit mental.

 

Some of the fanaticism of Brexiteers in the current circumstances is astonishing.

[Wes Tender]

Good to have it on the record in black and white. A rambling post apart, that wasn’t too hard, was it?

 

Of course, it’s still far from clear what your position would be if government policy changed and it decided that an extension was desirable -given the ambiguities in your position but I don’t want to confuse you any further pal

 

When I make three or four points, it's a rambling post. When you make several times more points , it somehow is not. Right, Mr Hubris-Egotist.

 

But I'm pleased that the responses finally penetrated. You needed it on the record for what purpose? So that for some pettiness you might at some future date throw it back in my face?

 

And you still haven't got the gist of my post that you responded to, have you? I thought that I had made it quite clear that I saw no reason why the Implementation period should be extended. Your position as an arch-remoaner gives you reasons that would justify an extension of the Implementation period that are likely to be totally different to mine. Can't you see that? If the government were to extend it, I can see no reason for justifying it, so I would adopt a position of opposing the decision. Is that too difficult a concept for you to grasp?

 

There is no ambiguity in my position, neither am I in the least confused by it. Something isn't so just because you say it is, Gavyn.

[Weston Super Saint]

How’s the pound faring at this time of stress

 

Better than your investment fund?

[shurlock]

When I make three or four points, it's a rambling post. When you make several times more points , it somehow is not. Right, Mr Hubris-Egotist.

 

But I'm pleased that the responses finally penetrated. You needed it on the record for what purpose? So that for some pettiness you might at some future date throw it back in my face?

 

And you still haven't got the gist of my post that you responded to, have you? I thought that I had made it quite clear that I saw no reason why the Implementation period should be extended. Your position as an arch-remoaner gives you reasons that would justify an extension of the Implementation period that are likely to be totally different to mine. Can't you see that? If the government were to extend it, I can see no reason for justifying it, so I would adopt a position of opposing the decision. Is that too difficult a concept for you to grasp?

 

There is no ambiguity in my position, neither am I in the least confused by it. Something isn't so just because you say it is, Gavyn.

 

Thanks for clarifying beyond doubt your position Les. As you say, you are a Conservative Party member and voter and generally supportive of the current Government. From that, its not inconceivable to envisage a situation where the government changed its policy and you supported it due to party loyalty. In such a situation, you might also give the Government whose Brexit credentials are impeccable the benefit of the doubt and accept it was seeking an extension for the right reasons - in the interests of both the UK and Brexit itself. Or you might decide that regardless of the circumstances or party loyalties, any extension was completely unjustifiable. Which turns out to be your position. Noted.

Edited 16 March, 2020 by shurlock

[Wes Tender]

Thanks for clarifying beyond doubt your position Les. As you say, you are a Conservative Party member and voter and supportive of the current Government. From that, its not inconceivable to envisage a situation where the government changed its policy and you supported it due to party loyalty. In such a situation, you might also give the Government whose Brexit credentials are impeccable the benefit of the doubt and accept it was seeking an extension for the right reasons - in the interests of both the UK and Brexit itself. Or you might decide that regardless of the circumstances or party loyalties, any extension was completely unjustifiable. Which turns out to be your position. Noted.

 

You still haven't quite got it, Gavyn, have you? I've already told you that I support the government's current position on not extending the Implementation period and saw no particular reasons why it should be extended, so the highlighted bit is just confused and contradictory ramblings from you. Also, as I've already said, what you as a Remoaner and me as a Brexiteer consider to be in the best interests of Brexit and the country, are almost certainly two different things.

[Weston Super Saint]

You still haven't quite got it, Gavyn, have you? I've already told you that I support the government's current position on not extending the Implementation period and saw no particular reasons why it should be extended, so the highlighted bit is just confused and contradictory ramblings from you. Also, as I've already said, what you as a Remoaner and me as a Brexiteer consider to be in the best interests of Brexit and the country, are almost certainly two different things.

 

Diametrically opposite one might say

[shurlock]

You still haven't quite got it, Gavyn, have you? I've already told you that I support the government's current position on not extending the Implementation period and saw no particular reasons why it should be extended, so the highlighted bit is just confused and contradictory ramblings from you. Also, as I've already said, what you as a Remoaner and me as a Brexiteer consider to be in the best interests of Brexit and the country, are almost certainly two different things.

 

As I say, thanks for clarifying matters. There’s no situation (within the range of Coronavirus-related outcomes) in which you would support an extension, even if the government claimed it was in the interests of the UK and Brexit. I know Brexiters who think that kind of inflexibility in the face of an epic economic shock is completely mental but your position is noted. It’s in black and white.

Edited 16 March, 2020 by shurlock

[Wes Tender]

As I say, thanks for clarifying matters. There’s no situation (within the range of Coronavirus-related outcomes) in which you would support an extension, even if the government claimed it was in the interests of the UK and Brexit. I know Brexiters who think that kind of inflexibility in the face of an epic economic shock is completely mental but your position is noted. It’s in black and white.

 

By Jove, I think that you've finally got it! You certainly took your time getting there. I'm not holding my breath that the EU negotiators will be any quicker to accept that we are serious about not extending the end of year deadline.

[Guided Missile]

We have been lectured by politicians and economists for years and they are all now shown as the false prophets they are.

...and as if by magic, up pops an economist:

Robert Chote, Chairman of the OBR says he produces forecasts to inform fiscal events. He said that the value added in trying to do another forecast in a month's time was "virtually nil". "We are not going to be any the wiser on how deep or how long this is going to be." Professor Sir Charles Bean, member of the Budget Responsibility Committee, warned that due to the fast moving situation, in both the health and economic spheres, the "notion that an economic forecast is going to tell you anything useful about the next year or two is a pie in the sky".

[shurlock]

UK 'prepares to seek Brexit transition extension' as coronavirus crisis grows

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/03/17/uk-prepares-seek-eu-trade-talks-extension-coronavirus-crisis/

 

Didn’t take long. If it is the case, it’s entirely sensible in the circumstances. Little Les will be angry -who knows a delay could have a higher mortality rate among the Brexiter swivels than coronavirus. But it’s obviously the right decision.

Edited 17 March, 2020 by shurlock

[hypochondriac]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/03/17/uk-prepares-seek-eu-trade-talks-extension-coronavirus-crisis/

 

Didn’t take long. If it is the case, it’s entirely sensible in the circumstances. Little Les will be angry -who knows a delay could have a higher mortality rate among the Brexiter swivels than coronavirus. But it’s obviously the right decision.

It's not just sensible, it's the only thing they should be doing. I'm not sure why anyone would think otherwise to be honest.

[Tamesaint]

It's not just sensible, it's the only thing they should be doing. I'm not sure why anyone would think otherwise to be honest.

 

Are we about to witness one of those very rare events? Les changing his mind. I think it is likely to happen when / if the government decides on an extension to the extension.

 

Lets wait and see.

Edited 18 March, 2020 by Tamesaint

[badgerx16]

Are we about to witness one of those very rare events? Les changing his mind. I think it is likely to happen when / if the government decides on an extension to the extension.

 

Lets wait and see.

Or will he simply turn his wrath on BoJo for betraying his trust ?

[Wes Tender]

Are we about to witness one of those very rare events? Les changing his mind. I think it is likely to happen when / if the government decides on an extension to the extension.

 

Lets wait and see.

 

Either you haven't read my posts on my thoughts about the possibility of a delay, or you're just totally lacking in comprehension of plain English. Just so that there can be no doubt in your mind what my position is, I'll state it again, just for your benefit. I do not see the coronavirus providing any excuse for delaying the deadline for the Implementation period. Has that penetrated your cranium? I told Gavyn that I saw no circumstances under which the deadline should be extended and he had to be told several times too before the message was understood. Therefore if it happens, I will not be changing my mind about whether it would be the wrong decision. Got it?