Brexit - Post Match Reaction

[Unbelievable Jeff]

48% of the nation?

 

Yep. At least.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Says the wife beater apologist

 

Yeah, you're both appalling humans. Take it somewhere else.

[Batman]

Yeah, you're both appalling humans. Take it somewhere else.

 

You should join us. You are a bit of a wrong’un given your post history

[whelk]

You should join us. You are a bit of a wrong’un given your post history

 

Unfair. Jeff loves babies. Any babies. #babies

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Unfair. Jeff loves babies. Any babies. #babies

 

Following me again? #predictable #wantstohavemybabies

[Unbelievable Jeff]

You should join us. You are a bit of a wrong’un given your post history

 

Just take it somewhere else, alright love?

[whelk]

Back on topic. You’re not the hulk, look more like dodgy paedophile

[whelk]

Following me again? #predictable #wantstohavemybabies

 

Love you man

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Love you man

 

Love you too. Hugs and kisses.

[scally]

Yep. At least.

 

Did you just pluck that figure out of the sky because 48% who voted in a referendum is not 48% of the nation

[badgerx16]

Just watched the Last Night of the Proms on the BBC iPlayer - so many EU flags being waved, and EU hats being worn, by people singing Rule Britannia, Land of Hope and Glory, and God Save the Queen. Typical of the Metropolitan Elite.

[Batman]

Following me again? #predictable #wantstohavemybabies

 

Just take it somewhere else, alright love?

[sadoldgit]

Says the wife beater apologist

 

Evidence? Perhaps if you stopped posting made up bull**** you wouldn’t be reviled as frequently.

[OldNick]

Evidence? Perhaps if you stopped posting made up bull**** you wouldn’t be reviled as frequently.

I think hes implying you are defending Boycott who is a convicted wife/woman beater not your personal life. Batman is not one of the most vicious posters on here so I would give him a margin of error....but I will leave him to confirm

[norwaysaint]

In wat way will the poor be worse? Are you poor living in the UK? On min wage Job? With kids? So tell me how it will affect you more than say the doctors next door?

 

I honestly am not sure if you're being serious or joking with me. The country being hit hard economically by leaving the EU is accepted by both sides. That impact being much bigger with no deal is also accepted by both sides.

There is also little doubt that this will be felt most keenly by the"ordinary people". Trade will contract, as the marketplace becomes far more difficult and costly. Big and small businesses will feel this. When small businesses get badly hit by a poorer economy, they are in danger of having to close. Larger businesses will have to close branches or let some staff go, just like they have in the past. The rich and middle class will not be the largest group taking on this impact. Even brexit supporters generally agree this is the situation, hence referring to wartime and preparing for hardship.

 

We've already seen manufacturing industry shying away from opening factories and investing in the UK, because of the dangers. That's lower wage jobs suffering already.

 

I've already said that I think that brexit should go ahead, but it worries me that so many of the supporters are so unaware of what leaving with no deal actually means.

[Batman]

I think hes implying you are defending Boycott who is a convicted wife/woman beater not your personal life. Batman is not one of the most vicious posters on here so I would give him a margin of error....but I will leave him to confirm

 

Bang on

[sadoldgit]

I think hes implying you are defending Boycott who is a convicted wife/woman beater not your personal life. Batman is not one of the most vicious posters on here so I would give him a margin of error....but I will leave him to confirm

 

I wasn’t defending Boycott. I was questioning the evidence. Two very different things.

[sadoldgit]

Yeah, you're both appalling humans. Take it somewhere else.

 

 

I remember only too well your interminable arguments with fellow posters on Sotonians. As appalling humans go, your online persona leaves a lot to be desired mate.

[sadoldgit]

Bang on

 

 

In which you will have no problem in finding quotes where I have said that Boycott is definitely innocent then will you.

[OldNick]

I wasn’t defending Boycott. I was questioning the evidence. Two very different things.

I thought you put the argument well, and was interested in your experience

[hypochondriac]

I wasn’t defending Boycott. I was questioning the evidence. Two very different things.

You mean like those questioning the Ched Evans verdict were doing? But that made them rape apologists?

[sadoldgit]

I thought you put the argument well, and was interested in your experience

 

Thank you Nick. Having been caught in that situation I do have some sympathy. In a situation where it is one word against another you look for something that will support specifically one version of events. The magistrate recently spoke about how she was sure he was guilty but spent most of the article talking about how obnoxious Boycott was in court. I was wondering if that worked against him rather than the strength of the evidence. The pictures didn’t look good but was there a doctors examination report? If there was did it explicitly rule out the injuries being caused by a fall? Anyway, it doesn’t matter what I say or how I say it, there are people on here just looking to score cheap points and when pressed can’t deliver.

 

Back to Brexit. So Johnson is saying that progress is being made and he is confident of a deal, which seems to contradict what the EU are saying. He also says that he is intent on leaving without a deal if necessary on 31st Oct. Given that Parliament have voted against leaving without a deal, are we now living in a Dictatorship?

[Guided Missile]

I think it's about time that some clarity is needed in exactly what the Government and Parliament's roles are, as some people on here actually think Parliament runs things.

 

What does the Government do?

 

• The Government is responsible for deciding how the country is run and for managing things, day to day.
  They set taxes, choose what to spend public money on and decide how best to deliver public services. While many government powers have been delegated to the devolved institutions in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, only the UK Government can speak on behalf of the UK and represent us abroad.
   
  
  
• What does Parliament do?
  Parliament’s job is to look closely at the Government’s plans and to monitor the way they are running things.
  Government ministers are required to come to Parliament regularly to answer questions, respond to issues raised in debates and keep both Houses informed of any important decisions they take. In this way, Parliament can hold the Government to account for its actions.
  

Currently, my feeling is that Johnson should, in private, tell Parliament and the EU to jog on, while giving the public impression he gives a $h!t what either of those corrupt, self serving, undemocratic, pig sties wants....

[OldNick]

 

Back to Brexit. So Johnson is saying that progress is being made and he is confident of a deal, which seems to contradict what the EU are saying. He also says that he is intent on leaving without a deal if necessary on 31st Oct. Given that Parliament have voted against leaving without a deal, are we now living in a Dictatorship?

What the most determined remainers and MP's dont seem to grasp is that Boris says no deal and the Eu say Non, but do either really mean it?

We are dealing with cunning negotiators and the EU have more experience doing negotiations as we left them to do all the trade deals. Therefore we have to go to the table letting believe that we might walk. Taking away the no deal fear from the table without getting something in return would be a bad move

[badgerx16]

I think it's about time that some clarity is needed in exactly what the Government and Parliament's roles are........

 

"In this way, Parliament can hold the Government to account for its actions."

 

Which is exactly what they are doing. It's the price that Boris has to pay for having a 'majority' of -41.

[badgerx16]

What the most determined remainers and MP's dont seem to grasp is that Boris says no deal and the Eu say Non, but do either really mean it?

We are dealing with cunning negotiators and the EU have more experience doing negotiations as we left them to do all the trade deals. Therefore we have to go to the table letting believe that we might walk. Taking away the no deal fear from the table without getting something in return would be a bad move

 

But if they don't believe we would actually leave with no deal, the threat is moot.

[aintforever]

What the most determined remainers and MP's dont seem to grasp is that Boris says no deal and the Eu say Non, but do either really mean it?

We are dealing with cunning negotiators and the EU have more experience doing negotiations as we left them to do all the trade deals. Therefore we have to go to the table letting believe that we might walk. Taking away the no deal fear from the table without getting something in return would be a bad move

 

But they know no-deal is worse for us and they know we know that, so it's not really much of the threat.

 

The bottom line is the fact that the integrity of the common market is more important to them that a free trade deal.

[OldNick]

But if they don't believe we would actually leave with no deal, the threat is moot.

but they dont as Boris is like Trump and is hard to read. Take away that option and we will never know how much they do worry.

[OldNick]

But they know no-deal is worse for us and they know we know that, so it's not really much of the threat.

 

The bottom line is the fact that the integrity of the common market is more important to them that a free trade deal.

I agree it is political for the EU, not necessarily for economics. They want to punish us to stop others doing the same

[sadoldgit]

I agree it is political for the EU, not necessarily for economics. They want to punish us to stop others doing the same

 

Not unreasonable in the circumstances. These countries have always been a lot more committed than us anyway, but why make it easy for anyone to walk away? As for leaving with no deal, how does that work? At some point we are going to have to find a desk with the EU. Surely just walking away just prolongs the inevitable and gives us all kinds of grief in the meantime?

[Unbelievable Jeff]

but they dont as Boris is like Trump and is hard to read. Take away that option and we will never know how much they do worry.

 

What I still don't get is what deal we are trying to get with these threats of No deal? Unless there is an alternative to the backstop - that no-one has come up with yet - there is no better deal (IE the status quo) than what the WA gives us.

[norwaysaint]

but they dont as Boris is like Trump and is hard to read. Take away that option and we will never know how much they do worry.

 

You think that he has an as yet unrevealed solution to the hard border/backstop discussion that he is going to bring out at the last minute? I can see no clear reason for this at all and not openly putting forward his solution would be counter productive. It appears more likely that he has nothing. I get the impression that his determination to leave quickly without having solved any of the problems is more to do with his own determination to have delivered Brexit for his own legacy. If he really cared about how brexit turned out, he would take the time to find solutions rather than just posturing. Brexit is his "wall" and he has to make it happen or lose face, whether it's for the best or not.

[aintforever]

I agree it is political for the EU, not necessarily for economics. They want to punish us to stop others doing the same

 

It's OK Boris is confident and it is "the easiest trade deal in history" so he's bound to come back with a great deal.

[benjii]

If anyone wants to be simultaneously amused and appalled, check out Rupert Lowe's Twitter.

 

It's a hideous Brexit Frankenstein.

[ecuk268]

It's OK Boris is confident and it is "the easiest trade deal in history" so he's bound to come back with a great deal.

 

A serial liar who spouts utter b*llox is obviously the best person to conduct vital negotiations.

[sadoldgit]

It seems that Boris has cancelled a conference after being heckled by anti Brexit campaigners. Lightweight.

[Sheaf Saint]

Just watched Johnson's interview with Laura Kuenssberg. What a car crash. He just isn't capable of giving any kind of proper answers to anything. Just keeps waffling on about being positive. He's a f*cking embarrassment of a PM.

[sadoldgit]

Just watched Johnson's interview with Laura Kuenssberg. What a car crash. He just isn't capable of giving any kind of proper answers to anything. Just keeps waffling on about being positive. He's a f*cking embarrassment of a PM.

 

It wasn’t great was it. Yet he will hoover up a number of votes because of his position on leaving the EU come what may at the end of October. Where we go from there God only knows, he doesn’t seem to have a clue.

[badgerx16]

Did anybody hear Lucy Harris, the Brexit Party MEP, getting destroyed by Stephen Nolan on Radio 5 last night ? She failed to answer any of his questions, including;

 

How many UK citizens live in the EU?

What percentage of our food comes from the EU?

What food would be most affected in the event of a no deal Brexit?

What happens to the EHIC in the event of a no deal Brexit ?

What will happen to pensions and benefits for UK citizens that remain the EU after Brexit?

 

She set out to attack Kay Burley and media bias, and ended up complaining that the questions were hypothetical and needed to be addressed after we have left, and the BBC hadn't briefed her about the questions she would be asked. ( Most of her expectations were that because the EU are 'very good friends to us', she doesn't see why the EU wouldn't be generous to us and give us a good deal ).

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0008gjb ( starts at 46 minutes and runs for 14 minutes )

[Guided Missile]

Pound on track for longest winning streak since January as no-deal fears fade.

Just sayin'

[Tamesaint]

Just sayin'

 

What exactly are you sayin' ?

 

If it is to boast about the strength of the pound on the prospect of a Brexit deal then you really need your head examining.

 

Compare where the pound was the night before the referendum and where it is now and you can see how Brexit has trashed our currency.

 

They really do make them thick at Pompey Poly don't they.

[shurlock]

What exactly are you sayin' ?

 

If it is to boast about the strength of the pound on the prospect of a Brexit deal then you really need your head examining.

 

Compare where the pound was the night before the referendum and where it is now and you can see how Brexit has trashed our currency.

 

They really do make them thick at Pompey Poly don't they.

 

Remember this is the same chump who’s been railing against parliament and remainiac traitors for blocking no-deal; yet it’s that very act that has driven the rise in the £. Pompey poly’s second most famous graduate doesn’t know whether he’s coming or going. Needless to say it was pretty predictable that the pound would react favourably when the benn bill passed (and even its passing was pretty predictable once Johnson and Cummings escalated matters by proroguing Parliament).

 

#quidsin

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Just sayin'

 

I'm confused, I though you wanted No Deal - this just proves that no deal was driving down the value of the pound, something you were trying to deny??

[Guided Missile]

Don't worry about this lot, Wes. The truth is that the EU are on the run and if we get a leader that realises that, we will get whatever deal we want. The chickens are coming home to roost for the faceless bureaucrats in the EU, from Italy, France, Bulgaria, Hungary and Germany. Their offer to extend Article 50, to avoid a no deal, shows they are sh!tt!ng one and I would be delighted if we gave them the no deal that frightens them so much. #dominoeffect

 

Look back in anger, to 06-12-2018. Prescient doesn't even begin to describe the post and if we look at the OP, that will happen as well.

 

Meanwhile, champagne socialists and LibDums continue to p!$$ on our flag and our democracy. Still, all those in the public sector can afford to.

[shurlock]

Look back in anger, to 06-12-2018. Prescient doesn't even begin to describe the post and if we look at the OP, that will happen as well.

 

Meanwhile, champagne socialists and LibDums continue to p!$$ on our flag and our democracy. Still, all those in the public sector can afford to.

 

No wrong on every count does pal.

[Guided Missile]

European Union leaders are increasingly "panicking and desperate" that Britain might leave the EU without a deal, Iain Duncan Smith says today.

[Guided Missile]

The British team believes that if Northern Ireland agrees to align with some EU animal health rules, then a combination of ‘trusted trader’ schemes, computerised customs declarations and political goodwill will enable the UK to leave the EU “whole and entire” on October 31 with an independent trade policy.

[badgerx16]

"The European Union has rejected a request from the British government for a Brexit deal without an Irish backstop.

Brexit secretary Stephen Barclay on Thursday said the UK should be given until the end of 2020 to come up with a replacement for the policy – instead of the end-of-September deadline set by EU leaders.

 

The minister travelled to Brussels on Friday to meet with Michel Barnier, the EU’s chief negotiator – but was told that the EU could not consider a deal that did not include a backstop or replacement.

Following the meeting, a spokesperson for the European Commission told reporters that it is “essential that there is a fully workable and legally operational solution included in the withdrawal agreement."

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-irish-backstop-border-boris-johnson-eu-barnier-stephen-barclay-a9113451.html

[badgerx16]

....

[Unbelievable Jeff]

European Union leaders are increasingly "panicking and desperate" that Britain might leave the EU without a deal, Iain Duncan Smith says today.

 

You're quoting IDS? *Facepalm*