Brexit - Post Match Reaction

[Wes Tender]

Party of Business

 

UBS Wealth Management: 'Main threat' to sterling is Tory election win

 

 

That's strange. Surely the main threat to sterling would be and election win by Corbyn?

[shurlock]

That's strange. Surely the main threat to sterling would be and election win by Corbyn?

 

Take it up with UBS Les.

[saint1977]

That's strange. Surely the main threat to sterling would be and election win by Corbyn?

 

Used to be the norm that the City would issue these warnings about Labour victories in the 1980s and especially 1992, remember that well. Take it as feedback that a Tory or Labour victory is equally dangerous to the economy these days and that the Tories old record for economic competency is shot to pieces chasing the emotionality of Brexit. For most of my lifetime, the Tories have been better than Labour at resolving their differences and focusing on power but no more. Just remember, Boris has voted Vs Brexit more times than Clarke has voted for Brexit and undermined May chronically, backstabbing Cameron for years through his various North Korea-style media outlets which report his every fart.

 

So your comptence is widely reckoned to be at the same level of Corbyn's. Wow. Imagine if that had been said in 1983 about the election then, and Foot had a better career than Corbyn. Take a moment and think about it. Is a No Deal Brexit worth destroying your party for?

 

PS - Corbyn has even managed to move Boris into an appalling position now, all thanks to that pound shop Steve Bannon who hangs around him. Jeremy Corbyn who most of his own party cant stand. The press are crying but they and Boris caused this themselves by all of this 31 Oct do or die rubbish. The ditch it is then.

[shurlock]

Another Tory resignation; Johnson coming under fire from the chief constable of West Yorkshire police for using student officers as cheap political fodder; JRM rinsed by the Chief Medical Officer for impugning the reputation of a leading neurologist; and no signs the opposition will give the government a snap election.

 

Just another Friday.

[Wes Tender]

Used to be the norm that the City would issue these warnings about Labour victories in the 1980s and especially 1992, remember that well. Take it as feedback that a Tory or Labour victory is equally dangerous to the economy these days and that the Tories old record for economic competency is shot to pieces chasing the emotionality of Brexit. For most of my lifetime, the Tories have been better than Labour at resolving their differences and focusing on power but no more. Just remember, Boris has voted Vs Brexit more times than Clarke has voted for Brexit and undermined May chronically, backstabbing Cameron for years through his various North Korea-style media outlets which report his every fart.

 

So your comptence is widely reckoned to be at the same level of Corbyn's. Wow. Imagine if that had been said in 1983 about the election then, and Foot had a better career than Corbyn. Take a moment and think about it. Is a No Deal Brexit worth destroying your party for?

 

PS - Corbyn has even managed to move Boris into an appalling position now, all thanks to that pound shop Steve Bannon who hangs around him. Jeremy Corbyn who most of his own party cant stand. The press are crying but they and Boris caused this themselves by all of this 31 Oct do or die rubbish. The ditch it is then.

 

I refer you to the post by GM above, number 13729. That is the reason for their blinkered comment, their vested interests. Nobody believes them any more, because their forecasts are like Peter and the Wolf. Of course they don't want to mention what would happen if the Marxist chicken was to be elected, because that muddies the waters by shining a spotlight on what they and their ilk are achieving by their project fear forecasts, risking him being elected. It would bloody well serve them right.

 

In the meantime, here is an excellent opinion piece from our Southampton ex-MP, bang on the money as he has been on his Brexit commentary so far.

 

https://brexitcentral.com/remainer-mps-are-doing-incalculable-damage-to-democracy-with-their-ongoing-sabotage-of-the-referendum-result/

[Guided Missile]

Sorry, what? Are you still harping on about something that happened 3 years ago? We know the economy wasn't effected as badly as they thought straight after the vote? I don't think anyone has argued that - this seems like a "man shouts at cloud" moment.

The paper is from March, 2019, d!p$h!t, but you didn't read it, did you....? To make it simple, it confirms that economists don't have a clue, and some are downright dishonest. Reminds me of a pal of mine who should be spending his time "consulting" instead of stalking me

[Unbelievable Jeff]

The paper is from March, 2019, d!p$h!t, but you didn't read it, did you....? To make it simple, it confirms that economists don't have a clue, and some are downright dishonest. Reminds me of a pal of mine who should be spending his time "consulting" instead of stalking me

 

I know the paper is from 2019, but it was about 2016-2017, d!p$h!t.

[shurlock]

The paper is from March, 2019, d!p$h!t, but you didn't read it, did you....? To make it simple, it confirms that economists don't have a clue, and some are downright dishonest. Reminds me of a pal of mine who should be spending his time "consulting" instead of stalking me

 

So you missed David Smith's commentary or this https://www.ft.com/content/534e108a-4651-11e9-b168-96a37d002cd3. The National Institute of Economic and Social Research, the Institute for Fiscal Studies and the Centre for Economic Performance (LSE) can all hold their head up high, mindful that forecasting is an imprecise science. Its a fact that economists who've pointed out the dangers of Brexit have been far more accurate than its cheerleaders that you defer to. Which is to say your big and only conclusion is that politicians politicise things. I know you're a chump, the forum antinostradamus who couldn't predict tomorrow's date but did you only discover that today pal

 

#bangonthemoney

Edited 6 September, 2019 by shurlock

[Wes Tender]

Just another Friday.

 

But there are upsides. Gina Miller and Major lost their court case against Boris proroguing Parliament and are going to waste even more of Soris' money by appealing.

 

And Robert Mugade, one of the World's biggest tyrants is dead.

 

So reasons to be happy.

[shurlock]

But there are upsides. Gina Miller and Major lost their court case against Boris proroguing Parliament and are going to waste even more of Soris' money by appealing.

 

And Robert Mugade, one of the World's biggest tyrants is dead.

 

So reasons to be happy.

 

Re Mugabe did you see Quentin Letts bizarre tweet? As for Miller's case, it barely stood a chance of succeeding.

[Guided Missile]

I refer you to the post by GM above, number 13729. That is the reason for their blinkered comment, their vested interests. Nobody believes them any more, because their forecasts are like Peter and the Wolf. Of course they don't want to mention what would happen if the Marxist chicken was to be elected, because that muddies the waters by shining a spotlight on what they and their ilk are achieving by their project fear forecasts, risking him being elected. It would bloody well serve them right.

 

In the meantime, here is an excellent opinion piece from our Southampton ex-MP, bang on the money as he has been on his Brexit commentary so far.

 

https://brexitcentral.com/remainer-mps-are-doing-incalculable-damage-to-democracy-with-their-ongoing-sabotage-of-the-referendum-result/

I met Bryan Gould when I first set my company up at Southampton University Science Park, back in 1986. Panorama were doing a program on "New Labour" and we had received a small grant from the local council, which helped me on my way. I had a chat with him and said what a great idea it was for Labour to be investing in small start-ups and they should do it nationally. He asked me why I set up in the UK, after returning from the US and I said it was because of the encouragement from the local council and the availability of skilled staff. He told me that he wouldn't have recommended relocating to Dagenham, given the union problems. Alan Whitehead was with him.

A £13k loan from a Labour local council which, together with my credit card was all I had to start the company up. I sold it 2 years later for over a million. I'll never forget the support I received from the Labour council in Southampton and if Bryan was running, I'd vote for him in a flash.

Funny how some political parties can go to $h!t.

[Guided Missile]

I know the paper is from 2019, but it was about 2016-2017, d!p$h!t.

The dataset used in the paper to measure the projections by the economists, was from a monthly survey of independent forecasters collected by the Treasury, that is publicly available. The collection covers 44 forecasters from January 2012 to April 2018. "It was about 2016-2017".... Back on ignore, pal.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

The dataset used in the paper to measure the projections by the economists, was from a monthly survey of independent forecasters collected by the Treasury, that is publicly available. The collection covers 44 forecasters from January 2012 to April 2018. "It was about 2016-2017".... Back on ignore, pal.

 

You flip your ignore on and off more than you get your projections wrong mate.

 

[Unbelievable Jeff]

I met Bryan Gould when I first set my company up at Southampton University Science Park, back in 1986. Panorama were doing a program on "New Labour" and we had received a small grant from the local council, which helped me on my way. I had a chat with him and said what a great idea it was for Labour to be investing in small start-ups and they should do it nationally. He asked me why I set up in the UK, after returning from the US and I said it was because of the encouragement from the local council and the availability of skilled staff. He told me that he wouldn't have recommended relocating to Dagenham, given the union problems. Alan Whitehead was with him.

A £13k loan from a Labour local council which, together with my credit card was all I had to start the company up. I sold it 2 years later for over a million. I'll never forget the support I received from the Labour council in Southampton and if Bryan was running, I'd vote for him in a flash.

Funny how some political parties can go to $h!t.

 

What a ****ing boring anecdote.

[Saint_clark]

Assuming we get beyond Oct 31st it will be interesting to see how " do or die" is excused.

 

Because the opposition are engineering a situation where it's impossible for us to leave on that date (assuming the EU grant another extension, which they're almost certain to do). They've voted to refuse to leave without a deal and look like they'll refuse to vote for an election to decide one way or the other before the 31st.

[badgerx16]

Led by Donkeys have projected Boris' s "We are going to make a Titanic success of Brexit" quote onto the side of the Titanic museum in Belfast.

[badgerx16]

Because the opposition are engineering a situation where it's impossible for us to leave on that date (assuming the EU grant another extension, which they're almost certain to do). They've voted to refuse to leave without a deal and look like they'll refuse to vote for an election to decide one way or the other before the 31st.

I was asking how BoJo would excuse it, given he promised it "do or die".

[Saint_clark]

I was asking how BoJo would excuse it, given he promised it "do or die".

 

...Because the opposition have since engineered a situation where it's impossible in their never ending bid to overturn the vote in 2016.

[shurlock]

https://mobile.twitter.com/PropertySpot/status/1169924684021948418

 

Jesus wept. And the usual suspects will lap it up.

[badgerx16]

...Because the opposition have since engineered a situation where it's impossible in their never ending bid to overturn the vote in 2016.

 

Given how clever Cummings and co think they are, could they not have foreseen this?

[Wes Tender]

Re Mugabe did you see Quentin Letts bizarre tweet? As for Miller's case, it barely stood a chance of succeeding.

 

Regarding Letts' tweet, I hadn't read it, but having done so, I suspect that most who responded don't get the tongue in cheek heavy irony.

 

As for the vexatious constitutional litigant Miller, perhaps she should have employed you to consult her rather than her legal council. They seem to be a grossly incompetent lot. Thankfully when it comes down to ruling on Constitutional procedure the judiciary aren't as cavalier as Bercow is in interpreting it.

[Wes Tender]

Given how clever Cummings and co think they are, could they not have foreseen this?

 

No doubt Cummings and Co had depended on Bercow doing his job properly, being even-handed and respecting centuries of Parliamentary procedure. It's a pity that there appears to be no procedure for dismissing the egotistical little toad.

[Marsdinho]

No doubt Cummings and Co had depended on Bercow doing his job properly, being even-handed and respecting centuries of Parliamentary procedure. It's a pity that there appears to be no procedure for dismissing the egotistical little toad.

 

First speaker since WW2 to be elected 3 times...

[Marsdinho]

No doubt Cummings and Co had depended on Bercow doing his job properly, being even-handed and respecting centuries of Parliamentary procedure. It's a pity that there appears to be no procedure for dismissing the egotistical little toad.

 

You also seem to have forgotten that it was Bercow's bending of the rules that allowed Eurosceptic MP's to force a Commons vote that led to the 2016 Referendum

[sadoldgit]

You can tell he is doing a good job from seeing where the criticism is coming from.

[Guided Missile]

Finally a clear idea of what Labour's Brexit policy is:

 

[video=youtube_share;CSa2wvJCIEc]

[Wes Tender]

You also seem to have forgotten that it was Bercow's bending of the rules that allowed Eurosceptic MP's to force a Commons vote that led to the 2016 Referendum

 

I don't recall that. Please do give me a link. The holding of a referendum was an election pledge, from the majority party elected, so what was the problem? I expect that Bercow (who admitted that he voted Remain, although he is supposed to be impartial) probably thought that Remain would win the referendum, so was happy to accommodate it.

[aintforever]

Because the opposition are engineering a situation where it's impossible for us to leave on that date (assuming the EU grant another extension, which they're almost certain to do). They've voted to refuse to leave without a deal and look like they'll refuse to vote for an election to decide one way or the other before the 31st.

 

Nothing stopping Boris going to Brussels and actually negotiating a deal.

[Wes Tender]

First speaker since WW2 to be elected 3 times...

 

So was Maggie Thatcher. Are you suggesting that being elected three times makes somebody fireproof over everything they do?

[Guided Missile]

Nothing stopping Boris going to Brussels and actually negotiating a deal.

With both hands tied behind his back. What you people don't realise is that the voters in this country aren't stupid. They know that taking no deal off the table is code for staying in. They also know why little $h!t$ like Kinnock want us to stay aboard the taxpayer funded gravy train. Stealing public money runs in his family and his party, until, finally, you run out of public funds, like Greece.

[shurlock]

Seeing Gove rocking in fury rainman-style as Bercow slapped him down was priceless.

[aintforever]

With both hands tied behind his back. What you people don't realise is that the voters in this country aren't stupid. They know that taking no deal off the table is code for staying in. They also know why little $h!t$ like Kinnock want us to stay aboard the taxpayer funded gravy train. Stealing public money runs in his family and his party, until, finally, you run out of public funds, like Greece.

 

That’s just nonsense, he doesn’t even need to get a trade deal yet, just a new withdrawal agreement with a workable solution to the NI border. He can’t get it because it just doesn’t exist. To have the Brexit he promised there needs to be a border, it’s that simple.

[Saint_clark]

That’s just nonsense, he doesn’t even need to get a trade deal yet, just a new withdrawal agreement with a workable solution to the NI border. He can’t get it because it just doesn’t exist. To have the Brexit he promised there needs to be a border, it’s that simple.

 

Also nonsense as Labour have said one of their 6 "tests" (which were designed to be so unreasonable that they would never have to agree to a deal) says about being in a customs union, which wouldn't be decided until after the withdrawal agreement was already agreed and we'd already left.

[Wes Tender]

Seeing Gove rocking in fury rainman-style as Bercow slapped him down was priceless.

 

Bercow's behaviour was disgusting and personal. No wonder that he has faced accusations that he is a bully. But it doesn't surprise me that you find it funny, as that is how you behave too.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

With both hands tied behind his back. What you people don't realise is that the voters in this country aren't stupid. They know that taking no deal off the table is code for staying in. They also know why little $h!t$ like Kinnock want us to stay aboard the taxpayer funded gravy train. Stealing public money runs in his family and his party, until, finally, you run out of public funds, like Greece.

 

We've proved time and time again that 52% of them are...

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Bercow's behaviour was disgusting and personal. No wonder that he has faced accusations that he is a bully. But it doesn't surprise me that you find it funny, as that is how you behave too.

 

I mean, I don't really know where to start with this, but how about with this. Bullying from your hero's:

 

Boris:

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/04/top-brexit-mep-accuses-boris-johnson-untrustworthy-bully-has/

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2019/sep/04/jess-phillips-accuses-boris-johnson-of-playing-a-bully-boy-game-video

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/14/black-eyes-boris-johnson-plot-attack-reporter-darius-guppy

 

Michael Gove:

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/dump-fing-everyone-the-inside-story-of-how-michael-gove-s-vicious-attack-dogs-are-terrorising-the-8497626.html

 

Dominic Cummings:

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/john-major-launches-furious-attack-19572196

 

JRM:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49598999

 

Not a surprise that you supported this lot, considering you've consistently stated your dislike for Jews and Arabs, have supported the beating up of Remainers in pubs, and have put the happiness and future prosperity of your children and grandchildren behind your hell bent obsession with not admitting you were conned - firstly at the referendum, and then in the Tory Leadership election.

[CB Fry]

No deal was described by the Prime Minister as a "million to one chance" so I really think it makes much difference. Boris just needs to go and land that fabulous deal that he and Gove were promoting back in 2016.

 

Off you go son.

[Guided Missile]

We've proved time and time again that 52% of them are...

Sums you up mate.

[Guided Missile]

 

Stop the democratic election....

[badgerx16]

No doubt Cummings and Co had depended on Bercow doing his job properly, being even-handed and respecting centuries of Parliamentary procedure. It's a pity that there appears to be no procedure for dismissing the egotistical little toad.

 

But, he is a Conservative.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Sums you up mate.

 

What happened to being on ignore? Or did you decide to take me back off in the last 6 hours? Or are you just a fraud, like the rest of your heroes?

[badgerx16]

I expect that Bercow (who admitted that he voted Remain, although he is supposed to be impartial)....

Being impartial and holding an opinion can be mutually exclusive. ( Unless you are a Premier League referee ).

[aintforever]

 

Stop the democratic election....

 

Do you really think forcing the public to choose between a Corbyn government or a no deal Brexit is a fine example of democracy?

[badgerx16]

Not a surprise that you supported this lot, considering you've consistently stated your dislike for Jews and Arabs,......

 

Careful, John Bercow is Jewish, you aren't suggesting anything unsavoury are you ?

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Careful, John Bercow is Jewish, you aren't suggesting anything unsavoury are you ?

 

Quelle surprise.

[Saint_clark]

Do you really think forcing the public to choose between a Corbyn government or a no deal Brexit is a fine example of democracy?

 

At least we'll know which is preferred rather than just letting them ignore previous votes and decades of convention to do what they want.

[aintforever]

At least we'll know which is preferred rather than just letting them ignore previous votes and decades of convention to do what they want.

 

And what if the vast majority of the public want neither?

[Tamesaint]

What happened to being on ignore? Or did you decide to take me back off in the last 6 hours? Or are you just a fraud, like the rest of your heroes?

 

 

That sums him up. He is a" big girl's blouse" telling people that he is putting them on ignore. As if they really care.

 

You can see why any decent university rejected him despite the school he came from and why he studied at Pompey Poly.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

That sums him up. He is a" big girl's blouse" telling people that he is putting them on ignore. As if they really care.

 

You can see why any decent university rejected him despite the school he came from and why he studied at Pompey Poly.

 

What school did he go to?

[badgerx16]

What school did he go to?

Same one I did, but I paid attention.