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Saints Web Definitely Not Official Second Referendum  

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Tamesaint

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its fine, I heard a remainer highlighting the excellence of the EU allowing England to win, due to the Irish skipper.

 

idiotic comments on both sides (which of course, you will not highlight)

 

Any links to this moron ? I would hate to think you made things up .

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doddisalegend

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We fought the Germans in 1914 and 1939.

 

I don’t think many of them gave a f*ck about Waterloo.

 

And the relevance of this to a discussion of JRM's tweet quoting the Duke of Wellington in an anti-EU diatribe is ?

 

with the help of, at one time another depending on the war, the French, Belgians, Russians, Italians, Dutch, Greeks, Serbians (Yugoslavians), Norwegians, Poles, Czechs, Danes and the Portuguese. Even at it's zenith as a world super power Britain always needed friends in Europe...

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Sergei Gotsmanov

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with the help of, at one time another depending on the war, the French, Belgians, Russians, Italians, Dutch, Greeks, Serbians (Yugoslavians), Norwegians, Poles, Czechs, Danes and the Portuguese. Even at it's zenith as a world super power Britain always needed friends in Europe...

 

In fairness the French, the Belgians, the Russians, the Dutch, the Serbians, the Norwegians, the Greeks, the Poles, the Czechs, and the Danes were occupied by the Germans in World War 2.

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buctootim

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In fairness the French, the Belgians, the Russians, the Dutch, the Serbians, the Norwegians, the Greeks, the Poles, the Czechs, and the Danes were occupied by the Germans in World War 2.

 

and so would we have been if we weren't an island. I'm not sure what your point is.

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Tamesaint

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it was Kevin Maguire in ITV

 

This is Maguire's Twitter quote about the cricket and politics.

 

It looks to me as if he is disassociating cricket from politics. A pity that JRM a "moron" cannot separate the two.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Talking cricket and politics on @GMB in a mo and today I prefer that unbelievable World Cup win by England and Wales. Politics will still be here tomorrow

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badgerx16

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Just pointing out that we were not really getting help from these European nations - just liberating them. For that we needed the help of our friends across the pond.

So you discount the Free French fighting in the 8th army, the Poles at Monte Casino and Arnhem, the Polish and Czech pilots in the Battle of Britain, and the Norwegian ships helping the Home Fleet and escorting the Atlantic and Arctic convoys ?

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Whitey Grandad

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So you discount the Free French fighting in the 8th army, the Poles at Monte Casino and Arnhem, the Polish and Czech pilots in the Battle of Britain, and the Norwegian ships helping the Home Fleet and escorting the Atlantic and Arctic convoys ?

 

And the French who protected our backs at Dunkirk and the Italians who joined the Allies when Italy surrended and fought against the Germans and not forgetting all the European scientifi refugees who contributed to the Manhattan Project.

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Whitey Grandad

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Careful Whitey, you'll get panned because they aren't in Europe.;)

 

I had considered that, but this was in the context of "with the help of our friends across the pond"

 

We have much to thank the Americans for in this instance but we were not alone. World War, wannit.

 

 

As a completely irrelvant aside to this I was researching my grandmother's brother's history and I got hold of a copy of his entry in the US Census from the 1920s. Under the heading of 'Military Service' the entry was:

 

"Yes - WW"

 

It didn't say WW1 of course because at that time there hadn't been a second one.

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Sergei Gotsmanov

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So you discount the Free French fighting in the 8th army, the Poles at Monte Casino and Arnhem, the Polish and Czech pilots in the Battle of Britain, and the Norwegian ships helping the Home Fleet and escorting the Atlantic and Arctic convoys ?

 

We did also have to fight the French in the last war. I would though never discount the bravery of the Poles and the Czechs or indeed the role of the Norwegians but I think you would admit it was less of a game changer than the contribution of the US.

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Sergei Gotsmanov

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I had considered that, but this was in the context of "with the help of our friends across the pond"

 

We have much to thank the Americans for in this instance but we were not alone. World War, wannit.

 

 

As a completely irrelvant aside to this I was researching my grandmother's brother's history and I got hold of a copy of his entry in the US Census from the 1920s. Under the heading of 'Military Service' the entry was:

 

"Yes - WW"

 

It didn't say WW1 of course because at that time there hadn't been a second one.

 

That is interesting in that I always imagined everybody called it the Great War before the second war. They certainly did here but in the US it must have been different.

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badgerx16

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Nice to see Boris employing one of the Classic SaintsWeb arguments vis-a-vis the backstop. Maybe we will win the Champions League after all.

 

#man

#on

#moon

 

 

 

Dear Mr Johnson, if re-entry was frictionless, why did they need a heat shield ?

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Batman

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The new global Britan out on our own taking care of business without needing those nasty Europeans...

 

UK to seek European maritime mission to counter Iran’s ‘ illegal acts of piracy

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/22/uk-to-seek-european-maritime-mission-to-counter-irans-piracy

 

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almost make believe EU assets/capability in the area?

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The new global Britan out on our own taking care of business without needing those nasty Europeans...

 

UK to seek European maritime mission to counter Iran’s ‘ illegal acts of piracy

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/22/uk-to-seek-european-maritime-mission-to-counter-irans-piracy

 

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Farage claiming earlier that it’s proof that Hunt wants an EU army.

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Guy Verhofstadt "looks forward to alleviating Mr Johnson’s concerns regarding the imminent accession of Turkey to the EU, following the claims of the Leave campaign, whilst explaining the EU has no rules on the packaging of kippers in the UK.”

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BBC Scotland article on the possible future, or not, of the Union

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49053233

"Sleepy Boston is Brexit country.

 

Three quarters of voters in this Lincolnshire town cast their ballots to leave the EU, the highest rate in the UK.

 

Now many are fed up.

 

"I just wish it would hurry up and happen," says Kelly Coombs... who says she pines for the "halcyon days" of the 1940s and 50s, "

 

.......

"So why did she vote to leave? "Purely so that we go back to ruling our own country," she explains.

Which country, I ask.

"England," she replies instinctively, before quickly adding "UK, UK". She feels the need to clarify because "I can hear your Scottish voice"."

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BBC Scotland article on the possible future, or not, of the Union

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49053233

"Sleepy Boston is Brexit country.

 

Three quarters of voters in this Lincolnshire town cast their ballots to leave the EU, the highest rate in the UK.

 

Now many are fed up.

 

"I just wish it would hurry up and happen," says Kelly Coombs... who says she pines for the "halcyon days" of the 1940s and 50s, "

 

.......

"So why did she vote to leave? "Purely so that we go back to ruling our own country," she explains.

Which country, I ask.

"England," she replies instinctively, before quickly adding "UK, UK". She feels the need to clarify because "I can hear your Scottish voice"."

 

It's an interesting thing to ponder. I'd say I felt English first, and British a distant second. I've rarely felt European.

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Seems like the balls-out "they need us more than we need them" no-deal rhetoric is very quickly pivoting to we'll only have no-deal if the horrible Europeans force it on us. Boris said as much in the house just now.

 

I thought it was our negotiation plan to have a walk-away position because that's what great negotiators do. "You leave us no option but to slope off" doesn't quite feel so powerful. It's the George Costanza school of negotiation.

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Seems like the balls-out "they need us more than we need them" no-deal rhetoric is very quickly pivoting to we'll only have no-deal if the horrible Europeans force it on us. Boris said as much in the house just now.

 

I thought it was our negotiation plan to have a walk-away position because that's what great negotiators do. "You leave us no option but to slope off" doesn't quite feel so powerful. It's the George Costanza school of negotiation.

 

Always the victim...

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saint1977

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Always the victim...

 

Funny how the Brexiteers and Corbynites are really rather similar. Rather a lot of noise when not in positions of leadership but when it goes wrong, or the policies have to be more pragmatic, it’s always the EU/media/Tory One Nation/Blairites fault.

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Brexit now looks nothing like what was promised in 2016.

 

Instead, it’s a costly, job-destroying, rights-threatening , security-endangering, mess.

 

How can anyone say it would be undemocratic to ask the people whether they stil wish to proceed?

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Whitey Grandad

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Brexit now looks nothing like what was promised in 2016.

 

Instead, it’s a costly, job-destroying, rights-threatening , security-endangering, mess.

 

How can anyone say it would be undemocratic to ask the people whether they stil wish to proceed?

Indeed. There is no upside to Brexit and there never was. If there were we would have discovered it by now. After all, they've only had three years to come up with something.

 

The only justification now for going ahead is that some group of people voted for it a few years ago. 1.5 million have dropped off the electoral register since then and a similar number have joined and its their future that's at stake.

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Brexit now looks nothing like what was promised in 2016.

 

Instead, it’s a costly, job-destroying, rights-threatening , security-endangering, mess.

 

How can anyone say it would be undemocratic to ask the people whether they stil wish to proceed?

 

that is exactly what was promised in 2016, they called it project fear, and the opinions of 'experts'.

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That's nothing to look forward to.
Oh, it certainly is.

 

Finally can motor on with improving the prospects of the country and our friends around the globe.

 

Its like we've be told to pay up front on the left for years, but finally we get to play in our preferred role of free roaming attacking midfielder.

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shurlock

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Oh, it certainly is.

 

Finally can motor on with improving the prospects of the country and our friends around the globe.

 

Its like we've be told to pay up front on the left for years, but finally we get to play in our preferred role of free roaming attacking midfielder.

 

:lol:

 

Good lad.

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Whitey Grandad

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Oh, it certainly is.

 

Finally can motor on with improving the prospects of the country and our friends around the globe.

 

Its like we've be told to pay up front on the left for years, but finally we get to play in our preferred role of free roaming attacking midfielder.

As I have said, nothing new then. Nothing that we haven't been able to do until now.

 

Unless you can come up with something? You've had three years to think about it.

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Unbelievable Jeff

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Oh, it certainly is.

 

Finally can motor on with improving the prospects of the country and our friends around the globe.

 

Its like we've be told to pay up front on the left for years, but finally we get to play in our preferred role of free roaming attacking midfielder.

 

In what way? By paying more for goods from abroad? By hamstringing our exporters? By increasing costs for those that import from abroad. By devaluing the currency making it easier for foreign investment to take control of our biggest companies?

 

Love to hear some reasons rather than the empty platitudes you guys usually come up with.

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