Brexit - Post Match Reaction

[Unbelievable Jeff]

The new pm is going to have the same trouble that May had. General election is an inevitability I would imagine.

 

Or they just think "**** it, no deal then".

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Finally the Maybot has recognised that she is far beyond her sell-by date. Good riddance to the worst PM this country has ever had, weak, indecisive, duplicitous, incapable, uncharismatic and totally inept.

 

And welcome a new, unelected leader. #irony

[aintforever]

Hopefully Boris will take over. He will look a right chump when he comes back from Brussels with exactly the same deal, or worse, than scapegoat May.

[buctootim]

Hopefully Boris will take over. He will look a right chump when he comes back from Brussels with exactly the same deal, or worse, than scapegoat May.

 

Exactly. You can change the PM but it wont change the facts or Parliamentary numbers

[shurlock]

Sterling’s slightly up - wait a bit and it should be time to start shorting again

Edited 24 May, 2019 by shurlock

[badgerx16]

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Edited 24 May, 2019 by badgerx16
Wrong thread

[hypochondriac]

Or they just think "**** it, no deal then".

Who is they in that scenario?

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Who is they in that scenario?

 

New PM/Tory party - just lead us off the cliffedge.

[hypochondriac]

New PM/Tory party - just lead us off the cliffedge.

Yes but they will be prevented from doing so by parliament. Pretty sure I read that Bercow would break from Parliamentary tradition and allow some amendable legislation to be voted through to prevent no deal if that's what the Tories attempted.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Yes but they will be prevented from doing so by parliament. Pretty sure I read that Bercow would break from Parliamentary tradition and allow some amendable legislation to be voted through to prevent no deal if that's what the Tories attempted.

 

Not sure on that TBH, there is nothing in law, and ultimately it is up to the EU, not the British Government, as to if we leave on a hard Brexit - unless that Bercow legislation is to revoke Article 50.

[shurlock]

Yes but they will be prevented from doing so by parliament. Pretty sure I read that Bercow would break from Parliamentary tradition and allow some amendable legislation to be voted through to prevent no deal if that's what the Tories attempted.

 

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/blog/new-prime-minister-intent-no-deal-brexit-cant-be-stopped-mps-0

[van Hanegem]

And yet the first exit poll estimation in the Dutch EU elections were all over the French press 10 minutes after the polls closed. Whether they're anywhere near accurate who knows. Thing is there the "good guys" seem to have done pretty well, unexpectedly well actually and the baddies of the extreme right less well than predicted.

 

There is no extreme right in Dutch politics, even Wilders’ program is fairly left wing. Except for his view on islam of course... But no one doubts the exit poll: the Dutch Labour Party has won big due to Frans Timmermans who wants to be Juncker’s successor.

[van Hanegem]

Double post.

Edited 24 May, 2019 by van Hanegem

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Brexit analogy - think this works pretty well

 

You pay for Sky Q every month - it's £90 with unlimited fibre, HD pack, Multi room, Sky Sports and Movies. You decide that you have had enough of the menu system, it's not great, but it allows you access to the excellent programming, which is what you SHOULD care about.

 

So you email Sky saying you want to cancel. Sky say you need to phone them to cancel. You don't want to, you want to email. If you called they would cancel, and give you the rest of the month that you've paid for, to find a new provider, probably Virgin. Sure, it'll be more expensive, you won't get UHD or multiroom, you'll get a cut down version of Boxsets and Movies, and Sky Sports HD is more expensive, but you don't have to use their menu system. Oh, and you've never used Virgin's menu system, but you reckon it can't be worse.

 

However, you don't want to follow Sky's rules on cancellation, so you turn the box off at the mains, and cancel your direct debit. Sky writes to you, telling you that you owe them money, and you keep ignoring until you get taken to court. You have to repay the money. In the meantime, it takes you three weeks to get Virgin out, so you have to watch terrestrial until then. Once they've set you up, you're paying more money for Virgin, the product is inferior and the menu system is worse. But hey, you maintain the correct decision was made.

 

Oh, and the rest of your family looks at you like you're a ****ing idiot.

Edited 24 May, 2019 by Unbelievable Jeff

[Cabbage_Face]

How about everyone just votes for what they believe in, rather than try and shove your horrid pointless views on everyone else?

 

Try it, it’s a better life.

 

 

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[Cabbage_Face]

Brexit analogy - think this works pretty well

 

You pay for Sky Q every month - it's £90 with unlimited fibre, HD pack, Multi room, Sky Sports and Movies. You decide that you have had enough of the menu system, it's not great, but it allows you access to the excellent programming, which is what you SHOULD care about.

 

So you email Sky saying you want to cancel. Sky say you need to phone them to cancel. You don't want to, you want to email. If you called they would cancel, and give you the rest of the month that you've paid for, to find a new provider, probably Virgin. Sure, it'll be more expensive, you won't get UHD or multiroom, you'll get a cut down version of Boxsets and Movies, and Sky Sports HD is more expensive, but you don't have to use their menu system. Oh, and you've never used Virgin's menu system, but you reckon it can't be worse.

 

However, you don't want to follow Sky's rules on cancellation, so you turn the box off at the mains, and cancel your direct debit. Sky writes to you, telling you that you owe them money, and you keep ignoring until you get taken to court. You have to repay the money. In the meantime, it takes you three weeks to get Virgin out, so you have to watch terrestrial until then. Once they've set you up, you're paying more money for Virgin, the product is inferior and the menu system is worse. But hey, you maintain the correct decision was made.

 

Oh, and the rest of your family looks at you like you're a ****ing idiot.

 

Virgin is better than sky. Hope this helps.

 

 

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[Unbelievable Jeff]

Virgin is better than sky. Hope this helps.

 

 

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I don't agree, but happy to listen to your arguments.

Edited 24 May, 2019 by Unbelievable Jeff

[buctootim]

I looked at the raw data of the Survation voting intention poll published on Thursday. We've got used to the age and education divide on Brexit but that poll was even more stark. Out of 2,000 people canvassed no-one at all, zero, people in the 18-24 age group intended to vote for the Brexit party, whilst 52% of the over 75s were.

Edited 25 May, 2019 by buctootim

[trousers]

Brexit analogy - think this works pretty well

 

You pay for Sky Q every month - it's £90 with unlimited fibre, HD pack, Multi room, Sky Sports and Movies. You decide that you have had enough of the menu system, it's not great, but it allows you access to the excellent programming, which is what you SHOULD care about.

 

So you email Sky saying you want to cancel. Sky say you need to phone them to cancel. You don't want to, you want to email. If you called they would cancel, and give you the rest of the month that you've paid for, to find a new provider, probably Virgin. Sure, it'll be more expensive, you won't get UHD or multiroom, you'll get a cut down version of Boxsets and Movies, and Sky Sports HD is more expensive, but you don't have to use their menu system. Oh, and you've never used Virgin's menu system, but you reckon it can't be worse.

 

However, you don't want to follow Sky's rules on cancellation, so you turn the box off at the mains, and cancel your direct debit. Sky writes to you, telling you that you owe them money, and you keep ignoring until you get taken to court. You have to repay the money. In the meantime, it takes you three weeks to get Virgin out, so you have to watch terrestrial until then. Once they've set you up, you're paying more money for Virgin, the product is inferior and the menu system is worse. But hey, you maintain the correct decision was made.

 

Oh, and the rest of your family looks at you like you're a ****ing idiot.

You forgot the bit about not having to line Rupert Murdoch's pockets anymore... #everycloud

[RedArmy]

Brexit analogy - think this works pretty well

 

You pay for Sky Q every month - it's £90 with unlimited fibre, HD pack, Multi room, Sky Sports and Movies. You decide that you have had enough of the menu system, it's not great, but it allows you access to the excellent programming, which is what you SHOULD care about.

 

So you email Sky saying you want to cancel. Sky say you need to phone them to cancel. You don't want to, you want to email. If you called they would cancel, and give you the rest of the month that you've paid for, to find a new provider, probably Virgin. Sure, it'll be more expensive, you won't get UHD or multiroom, you'll get a cut down version of Boxsets and Movies, and Sky Sports HD is more expensive, but you don't have to use their menu system. Oh, and you've never used Virgin's menu system, but you reckon it can't be worse.

 

However, you don't want to follow Sky's rules on cancellation, so you turn the box off at the mains, and cancel your direct debit. Sky writes to you, telling you that you owe them money, and you keep ignoring until you get taken to court. You have to repay the money. In the meantime, it takes you three weeks to get Virgin out, so you have to watch terrestrial until then. Once they've set you up, you're paying more money for Virgin, the product is inferior and the menu system is worse. But hey, you maintain the correct decision was made.

 

Oh, and the rest of your family looks at you like you're a ****ing idiot.

But when you’ve only got terrestrial tv you soon realise that it was all you really needed anyway and you were paying sky to mostly watch the channels you already had. So now you save yourself money and get yourself one of those streaming boxes which gives you access to every channel in the world plus the channels you needed in the first place.

And you kick yourself for being such a fool for all of those years you lined sky’s pockets.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

But when you’ve only got terrestrial tv you soon realise that it was all you really needed anyway and you were paying sky to mostly watch the channels you already had. So now you save yourself money and get yourself one of those streaming boxes which gives you access to every channel in the world plus the channels you needed in the first place.

And you kick yourself for being such a fool for all of those years you lined sky’s pockets.

 

Sky Atlantic, Sky Sports, Sky Movies and the like aren't on terrestrial though?!

 

Aren't those streaming boxes illegal as well?

 

I think the point is, if you can afford it, and it is of benefit to you, why do something illegal to get an inferior product?

Edited 25 May, 2019 by Unbelievable Jeff

[Unbelievable Jeff]

You forgot the bit about not having to line Rupert Murdoch's pockets anymore... #everycloud

 

There is that I suppose...

[RedArmy]

Sky Atlantic, Sky Sports, Sky Movies and the like aren't on terrestrial though?!

 

Aren't those streaming boxes illegal as well?

 

I think the point is, if you can afford it, and it is of benefit to you, why do something illegal to get an inferior product?

Is this still part of the analogy? Because if it is it’s as rubbish as the original post.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Is this still part of the analogy? Because if it is it’s as rubbish as the original post.

 

No, I'm responding to your comments - the clue is in the fact that I quoted you, and was responding to your points. HTH.

[RedArmy]

Then as always you have missed the point completely.

 

It was an analogy too. HTH. Thicko.

[Wes Tender]

Then as always you have missed the point completely.

 

It was an analogy too. HTH. Thicko.

 

Jeff is the master of the crap analogy and has really excelled himself with this Sky v Virgin one. It's a real tour de force in the crap analogy field. Well done, Jeff.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Jeff is the master of the crap analogy and has really excelled himself with this Sky v Virgin one. It's a real tour de force in the crap analogy field. Well done, Jeff.

 

Cheers mate. Glad you're back to prove the rest of us right. X

Edited 27 May, 2019 by Unbelievable Jeff

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Then as always you have missed the point completely.

 

It was an analogy too. HTH. Thicko.

 

Edit.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Then as always you have missed the point completely.

 

It was an analogy too. HTH. Thicko.

 

:lol:

 

I know it was part of the analogy, but I was responding to it. HTH. Thicko.

 

What part of the analogy is doing something illegal in relation to EU membership? I can't work that bit out, and considering it's the main part of your analogy I would love to see how it fits in.

Edited 27 May, 2019 by Unbelievable Jeff

[Batman]

and even more hilarious, Adonis lost -

[Weston Super Saint]

Surely not - it means we're going to have an unelected leader of the country? Let's see if you can recognise the irony in this...

 

What are you gibbering on about?

 

We have always had an 'unelected' leader of the country. The 'country' doesn't decide who runs the party that has gained enough MPs to govern, the paid up members of the party do....

[Unbelievable Jeff]

What are you gibbering on about?

 

We have always had an 'unelected' leader of the country. The 'country' doesn't decide who runs the party that has gained enough MPs to govern, the paid up members of the party do....

 

But when the vote (GE) takes place there is a leader in place in the party, so the implication is that is the leader that you are voting for. Hence why Labour will do so badly at the next GE if Corbyn is still in charge.

 

But in that case, what's wrong with unelected leaders of the EU then?

[Cabbage_Face]

Looking forward to remain spin on this one

 

 

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[Baird of the land]

Looking forward to remain spin on this one

 

 

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The fact remain parties got more votes is hardly spin

[Batman]

The fact remain parties got more votes is hardly spin

 

source?

 

are you suggesting city never really won the league as everyone else got more points between them?

 

Winners (Man City)..

 

Leave in 2016

Leave in GE 2017

Brexit party 2019

 

as for Jezza,

 

He keeps losing elections ffs, why is he keen on another one?

 

 

spin spin spin

[Weston Super Saint]

The fact remain parties got more votes is hardly spin

 

But very tough to quantify!

 

With the 'Brexit' party there is no ambiguity what people voted for - it does what it says on the tin!

 

With the Liberals, Greens, Labour, Conservatives etc the policies were diluted with promises / ideals other than remaining in the EU.

 

Change UK on the other hand had just one objective and appears to have failed miserably....

[Baird of the land]

But very tough to quantify!

 

With the 'Brexit' party there is no ambiguity what people voted for - it does what it says on the tin!

 

With the Liberals, Greens, Labour, Conservatives etc the policies were diluted with promises / ideals other than remaining in the EU.

 

Change UK on the other hand had just one objective and appears to have failed miserably....

 

Lib dems, green, snp, change & plaid were all strongly anti brexit and they outstripped the combined Ukip/brexit party share of the vote.

[Batman]

Lib dems, green, snp, change & plaid were all strongly anti brexit and they outstripped the combined Ukip/brexit party share of the vote.

 

what abut the conservatives and a portion of the Labour vote?

[Baird of the land]

what abut the conservatives and a portion of the Labour vote?

 

 

They are the wildcard obviously, though Labour got more votes than tories and are somewhere on the soft brexit/2nd referendum depending which member of the shadow cabinet you ask.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

what abut the conservatives and a portion of the Labour vote?

 

I think you would have to make the assumption that the Labour vote was remain, and Tory vote leave, and I think that's fair enough as the majority in both those parties would have been remain/leave - and don't forget Labour did far better than the Tories.

 

Otherwise exclude both parties, and you've still got the same result, majority for remain.

[Batman]

I think you would have to make the assumption that the Labour vote was remain, and Tory vote leave, and I think that's fair enough as the majority in both those parties would have been remain/leave - and don't forget Labour did far better than the Tories.

 

Otherwise exclude both parties, and you've still got the same result, majority for remain.

 

I disagree

 

but either way, Brexit party is one of, if not the biggest single party in the EU and Brexit came out top again

[badgerx16]

But very tough to quantify!

 

With the 'Brexit' party there is no ambiguity what people voted for - it does what it says on the tin!

 

With the Liberals, Greens, Labour, Conservatives etc the policies were diluted with promises / ideals other than remaining in the EU.

 

Change UK on the other hand had just one objective and appears to have failed miserably....

On one side you had the Brexit party, a single issue protest vote hoover. On the other you had a group of parties, including the Greens and the LDs whose core vote stayed loyal, and who split those voters opting for a Remain choice. They thereby spread the anti-Brexit sentiment between them. Labour, and especially the Tories, were always going to have a 'mare.

If it had been reduced to 2 options, Brexit Party or Remain Party, it might have produced a more interesting outcome.

 

Still waiting for Scotland and NI.

Edited 27 May, 2019 by badgerx16

[Batman]

If it had been reduced to 2 options, Brexit Party or Remain Party, it might have produced a more interesting outcome.

 

.

 

exactly.

The spinning going on is funny.

 

Alistair Campbell and Anna Soubry have seemingly lost it, however.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

I disagree

 

but either way, Brexit party is one of, if not the biggest single party in the EU and Brexit came out top again

 

Why do you disagree?

[Batman]

Why do you disagree?

 

there would be no need for Labour to shift its official policy if it was already a 'remain' party.

these results can be spun in anyway, as hilariously seen on TV this morning.

 

basically, the result states that a good chunk of people want to remain and a good chunk want to leave.

hardly breaking news or indicative of anything.

 

Brexit party will be the biggest single party in the EU

and equally, more Libdems/Greens from the UK will be in the EU

Means nothing, hence why we may as well leave

Edited 27 May, 2019 by Batman

[Unbelievable Jeff]

there would be no need for Labour to shift its official policy if it was already a 'remain' party.

these results can be spun in anyway, as hilariously seen on TV this morning.

 

basically, the result states that a good chunk of people want to remain and a good chunk want to leave.

hardly breaking news or indicative of anything.

 

Brexit party will be the biggest single party in the EU

and equally, more Libdems/Greens from the UK will be in the EU

Means nothing, hence why we may as well leave

 

Yeah, a slight majority for remain, although in reality neither Brexit or Remain wins. I probably agree. As with the referendum, there is not enough disparity between the two sides to draw a conclusion.

[Wes Tender]

Oh Happy day....: smug:

[aintforever]

Chuffed the two main parties got a kicking. The public are obviously still polarised over Brexit, the combined remain vote was probably higher than leave - makes the case for a people’s vote stronger IMO.

 

Above all it shows how desperately we need proportional representation so people can actually vote for who they want not for who they don’t want.

[badgerx16]

Oh Happy day....: smug:

Glad for you, the completely predictable result of a vote that should never have taken place. And it lumps you in with Rupert Lowe, yay !

[doddisalegend]

On one side you had the Brexit party, a single issue protest vote hoover. On the other you had a group of parties, including the Greens and the LDs whose core vote stayed loyal, and who split those voters opting for a Remain choice. They thereby spread the anti-Brexit sentiment between them. Labour, and especially the Tories, were always going to have a 'mare.

If it had been reduced to 2 options, Brexit Party or Remain Party, it might have produced a more interesting outcome.

 

Still waiting for Scotland and NI.

 

pretty much everyone outside the big two parties had reason to be happy. This little piece in the Guardian sums it up in the end

 

Potentially most significantly, the share of the two unambiguously pro-Brexit parties – the Brexit party and Ukip – was 34.9%, markedly lower than the aggregate total of the pro-second referendum parties (the Lib Dems, Greens, Change UK, the Scottish National party and Plaid) at 40.3%.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/five-things-we-have-learned-from-uks-europe-elections/ar-AABXef5?ocid=spartandhp