Brexit - Post Match Reaction

[trousers]

So May's "substantial change" to get around the Speaker's ruling on a third vote is to take the Political Declaration out of the document being voted on.

 

Isn't that a bit like trying to get a mate to go to Fratton Park with you and then dropping the option of having dinner at the local Harvester afterwards to try and convince him its a good idea?

[Sheaf Saint]

Isn't that a bit like trying to get a mate to go to Fratton Park with you and then dropping the option of having dinner at the local Harvester afterwards to try and convince him its a good idea?

 

Seems so. And Bercow has gone along with, it seems.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47740158

 

Does she have the numbers though?

[badgerx16]

Seems so. And Bercow has gone along with, it seems.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47740158

 

Does she have the numbers though?

I doubt it, as this is still the bit with the NI 'backstop''.

[Sheaf Saint]

I doubt it, as this is still the bit with the NI 'backstop''.

 

And the DUP have already said they won't support it - unsurprisingly.

 

What was the margin of defeat last time round?

 

I know there's been a few high-profile u-turns from the vultures in the ERG (although Boris has turned about so many times now he must be dizzy), but will that be enough still? Would still need a number of Labour MPs to vote in favour or abstain, so it still looks unlikely.

[trousers]

What was the margin of defeat last time round?

 

149

 

 

 

I'm guessing a defeat of c.30 tomorrow

[Sheaf Saint]

https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1111319086049443841?s=09

 

When put like this, May's attempt to separate them in order to bypass Bercow's ruling seems like a desperate last throw of the dice.

Edited 28 March, 2019 by Sheaf Saint

[Verbal]

And the DUP have already said they won't support it - unsurprisingly.

 

What was the margin of defeat last time round?

 

I know there's been a few high-profile u-turns from the vultures in the ERG (although Boris has turned about so many times now he must be dizzy), but will that be enough still? Would still need a number of Labour MPs to vote in favour or abstain, so it still looks unlikely.

 

After nuclear Armageddon, the only survivors will be insects and Boris's Tory leadership ambitions.

[Nordic Saint]

https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1111319086049443841?s=09

 

When put like this, May's attempt to separate them in order to bypass Bercow's ruling seems like a desperate last throw of the dice.

 

She's probably still thinking if she could just have a few more votes on her deal, eventually she'll win one of them and if not for Bercow's ruling, that's probably what she would have done.

[badgerx16]

Happy Independence D.......Oh !

[LGTL]

Happy Independence D.......Oh !

 

Wes Tender will no doubt be ****ing off into a picture of Rees-Mogg wondering what might have been.

[Verbal]

Wes Tender will no doubt be ****ing off into a picture of Rees-Mogg wondering what might have been.

 

With the rest of the smug remoaner elite, I'm off to a concert tonight in Smith Square - Beethoven's Ninth, surprisingly.

 

It should easily be loud enough to be heard in Mogg Towers just round the corner...

[OldNick]

The irony is that if we now leave with a no del, the Eu will demand before we start any trade talks that the 39b and the backstop are agreed before they do. They have held all the aces all along.

Whilst in princilpe I understand the remainers fears of staying in, they certainly have done themselvs and our nation in big time.

The footfall and traffic through my business had gone through the floor, were not even getting the timewasting ice cream lickers!!!

[shurlock]

The irony is that if we now leave with a no del, the Eu will demand before we start any trade talks that the 39b and the backstop are agreed before they do. They have held all the aces all along.

Whilst in princilpe I understand the remainers fears of staying in, they certainly have done themselvs and our nation in big time.

The footfall and traffic through my business had gone through the floor, were not even getting the timewasting ice cream lickers!!!

 

Brexiters?

[OldNick]

Brexiters?

Lol yes sorry.

[Sheaf Saint]

 

Yes, you read that right. The leader of a supposedly credible political party, who recently appointed a convicted violent criminal as his special advisor, spreading outright untruths (he obviously missed the recent news report about Boris' water cannons being sold for scrap after the govt refused to allow their use) and pre-blaming the police for any violence that might* occur in London today.

 

https://twitter.com/MetPoliceEvents/status/1111538049710723073

 

Who was it on here who was saying there would be a massive resurgence of support for UKIP if Brexit was cancelled and there was a GE? With this massive bellend in charge they have essentially just become the new BNP. A pointless, single-issue fringe party with about as much charm as a rabid dog.

 

* - by "might", I mean "quite obviously, definitely will".

[shurlock]

 

Yes, you read that right. The leader of a supposedly credible political party, who recently appointed a convicted violent criminal as his special advisor, spreading outright untruths (he obviously missed the recent news report about Boris' water cannons being sold for scrap after the govt refused to allow their use) and pre-blaming the police for any violence that might* occur in London today.

 

https://twitter.com/MetPoliceEvents/status/1111538049710723073

 

Who was it on here who was saying there would be a massive resurgence of support for UKIP if Brexit was cancelled and there was a GE? With this massive bellend in charge they have essentially just become the new BNP. A pointless, single-issue fringe party with about as much charm as a rabid dog.

 

* - by "might", I mean "quite obviously, definitely will".

 

Don’t worry Les withdrew his support for UKIP due to its further lurch to the right and is getting fully behind the new Brexit party - you know the party whose leader recently resigned for sending and retweeting racist messages.

[Weston Super Saint]

 

Yes, you read that right. The leader of a supposedly credible political party, who recently appointed a convicted violent criminal as his special advisor, spreading outright untruths (he obviously missed the recent news report about Boris' water cannons being sold for scrap after the govt refused to allow their use) and pre-blaming the police for any violence that might* occur in London today.

 

https://twitter.com/MetPoliceEvents/status/1111538049710723073

 

Who was it on here who was saying there would be a massive resurgence of support for UKIP if Brexit was cancelled and there was a GE? With this massive bellend in charge they have essentially just become the new BNP. A pointless, single-issue fringe party with about as much charm as a rabid dog.

 

* - by "might", I mean "quite obviously, definitely will".

 

Do you think the thick f_u_ck meant 'aggravate' rather than 'aggregate'? Unless he is trying to suggest the police are going to combine everyone present into a large giant???

[Sheaf Saint]

Do you think the thick f_u_ck meant 'aggravate' rather than 'aggregate'? Unless he is trying to suggest the police are going to combine everyone present into a large giant???

 

Oh undoubtedly.

 

Meanwhile, Dominic Raab, who previously stated that May's deal would be worse than staying in the EU, is now backing the WA motion today because "It's better than staying in the EU".

 

So you've changed your mind eh Dom? Interesting.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Oh undoubtedly.

 

Meanwhile, Dominic Raab, who previously stated that May's deal would be worse than staying in the EU, is now backing the WA motion today because "It's better than staying in the EU".

 

So you've changed your mind eh Dom? Interesting.

 

That's twice, cos the thick **** negotiated the deal in the first place.

[shurlock]

Shot down again

[trousers]

I'm guessing a defeat of c.30 tomorrow

 

Govt loses by 58

[trousers]

So... onto Monday's Indicative Votes Part 2 session then.... good chance of a "Customs Union backed by confirmatory referendum" proposal getting a majority....?

[Unbelievable Jeff]

So, customs union it is then?

[Sheaf Saint]

This has to go back to the public now. Has to. It's ridiculous.

 

If Parliament can keep changing their minds but still can't come up with an acceptable way forward, there is simply no justification for continuing to stick with the "We must respect the result of the referendum" line, given all the water that's passed under the bridge since then.

[aintforever]

Parliament is just not working. A people's vote is the obvious way forward.

[benjii]

This has to go back to the public now. Has to. It's ridiculous.

 

If Parliament can keep changing their minds but still can't come up with an acceptable way forward, there is simply no justification for continuing to stick with the "We must respect the result of the referendum" line, given all the water that's passed under the bridge since then.

 

We're leaving in 13 days though.

[badgerx16]

This has to go back to the public now. Has to.

Not necessarily. By the time we get to Meaningful Vote #6 or #7 she might get it to parity.

[badgerx16]

We're leaving in 13 days though.

We won't leave this side of the European Elections.

[Sheaf Saint]

We're leaving in 13 days though.

 

You reckon? We were supposed to be leaving today remember.

[doddisalegend]

The margin of defeat is getting lower each time if May can just get another four or five goes at getting the deal through the HoC she might finally get everyone to just give up and vote for it...[emoji1787]

 

Honestly though the whole thing is getting embarrassing now.

 

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[Unbelievable Jeff]

Not necessarily. By the time we get to Meaningful Vote #6 or #7 she might get it to parity.

 

I think it's dead now...

[badgerx16]

I think it's dead now...

It's not dead, it's just pining for the fjords.

[Sheaf Saint]

I think it's dead now...

 

Realistically, it was dead when it got defeated by a historical margin first time round, but May in her stubbornness managed to keep it on life support.

 

I seriously doubt there's any way it can be resuscitated now though. Today was her desperate last throw of the dice.

[Sheaf Saint]

It's not dead, it's just pining for the fjords.

 

Norway + ???

[ashnats]

The indicative votes only didn't reach any consensus because the tory's still had an eye on the may deal. now that is gone, they have one chance to come together and show that the house can agree on something. If they can't, then you have two options;

 

1) take it out of the hands of the house and offer a specified Deal (prob customs union) vs Remain to the general public via referendum

2) change the house makeup by calling a general election.

 

Option 2, we could still end up with a split house who only vote for their parties and not the country's interest.

 

At least option 1 gives a clear way forward - either we would leave with the deal in principle spelled out (probably customs union), or we stay in.

 

And either way, May should GTFO asap, I've never seen such incompetence. As soon as Miller won her ruling that it needed to go through the house, and as soon as she f'ed up the snap GE, she should have been trying to find compromise, instead of just playing the ***** the whole time.

[badgerx16]

May has now lost 17 Brexit related votes.

[ashnats]

Norway + ???

 

looks like the most popular compromise - this way, neither remainers nor brexiters get what they want, but it overcomes the backstop issue and who wouldn't want to be like Norway? Norway is great.

[trousers]

The indicative votes only didn't reach any consensus because the tory's still had an eye on the may deal. now that is gone, they have one chance to come together and show that the house can agree on something. If they can't, then you have two options;

 

1) take it out of the hands of the house and offer a specified Deal (prob customs union) vs Remain to the general public via referendum

2) change the house makeup by calling a general election.

 

Option 2, we could still end up with a split house who only vote for their parties and not the country's interest.

 

Indeed...

 

 

Edited 29 March, 2019 by trousers

[ashnats]

Holy ****, she is still going to stick at it!

 

"A No 10 source tells the Press Association the prime minister will continue to seek support in the Commons for her deal.

 

"Clearly it was not the result we wanted. But, that said, we have had a number of senior Conservative colleagues who have felt able to vote with the Government today. They have done so in higher numbers than previously," the source says.

 

"Clearly there is more work to do. We are at least going in the right direction.""

[badgerx16]

Holy ****, she is still going to stick at it!

 

"A No 10 source tells the Press Association the prime minister will continue to seek support in the Commons for her deal.

 

"Clearly it was not the result we wanted. But, that said, we have had a number of senior Conservative colleagues who have felt able to vote with the Government today. They have done so in higher numbers than previously," the source says.

 

"Clearly there is more work to do. We are at least going in the right direction.""

Perhaps she'll start by trying to get a majority to support page 1, and build from there.

[LGTL]

She is the worst prime minister in British history.

[LGTL]

So JRM and Bojo both voted for the deal. What a pair of cunts.

[Weston Super Saint]

What happened - I thought everyone would be 'gobbling' this deal up, gobble, gobble, nom, nom....

[buctootim]

We're leaving in 13 days though.

 

We won't leave this side of the European Elections.

 

We won't leave this side of 2020

[Nordic Saint]

May has now lost 17 Brexit related votes.

 

But, she still thinks if she has enough of them, one day she will win one. If she gets 1 out of 50, that will do her.

[Verbal]

The DUP (Nigel Dodds) have now come out in qualified support of remain.

 

"We will look at any option. At the end of the day why should we believe that it was right to vote Leave? When we were in the EU people were quite happy with that in N Ireland because we were there together with everybody else."

 

Christ, this is so weird.

[buctootim]

The DUP (Nigel Dodds) have now come out in qualified support of remain.

 

"We will look at any option. At the end of the day why should we believe that it was right to vote Leave? When we were in the EU people were quite happy with that in N Ireland because we were there together with everybody else."

 

Christ, this is so weird.

 

There was an opinion poll in NI showing large majorities for remain amongst both loyalist and nationalists - keeping the border open is a big deal to both communities.

[John Boy Saint]

There was an opinion poll in NI showing large majorities for remain amongst both loyalist and nationalists - keeping the border open is a big deal to both communities.

Lady I work with lives with the border pretty much at the bottom of her street in South Armagh, she lives in NI but her husband crosses the border everyday to go to work. He is not alone many folks in the North do this, This is a big deal for them.

 

 

Just as an aside, since the vote to leave was made and both the Euro and Dollar dropped like a stone, all through this shenanigans the pound has held steady against the Euro, even after today’s vote the pound hasn’t made like a lemming at the cliff edge.

[buctootim]

keeping the border open is a big deal to both communities.

 

This is a big deal for them.

 

Yeah I said that

[shurlock]

 

Fess up lads. Which one of you is this?