Brexit - Post Match Reaction

[Unbelievable Jeff]

It's not a crime but it is pretty hypocritical to bang on about diversity at a march populated predominantly by the same types of people.

 

Do you know what's hypocritical? Pretty much the whole of the ****ing Tory party.

 

Those that voted Leave must now see how much they were conned by this bunch of selve serving ****s, as they are now voting for the deal they told everyone was awful.

 

This is the end of the Tory party for me - I will not vote that way again and will be rescinding my membership.

[Jonnyboy]

Do you know what's hypocritical? Pretty much the whole of the ****ing Tory party.

 

Those that voted Leave must now see how much they were conned by this bunch of selve serving ****s, as they are now voting for the deal they told everyone was awful.

 

This is the end of the Tory party for me - I will not vote that way again and will be rescinding my membership.

 

Good lad.

[Jonnyboy]

Looked like all sorts for the pics I saw, plenty of non-white faces.

 

Don't bother, he never admits he's wrong. It's generally trolling anyway.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Steve Baker criticising the pantomime of it all, and WILL NOT back May's deal.

 

He's a *****, bit he at least has SOME values.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Good lad.

 

Now get me a half decent Labour leader, and they will get my vote.

[badgerx16]

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Yet the slimy buggers, after getting a third bite at that particular cherry and being allowed to change their minds to maintain Tory party unity, will still deny the electorate a second vote.

[CB Fry]

Yet the slimy buggers, after getting a third bite at that particular cherry and being allowed to change their minds to maintain Tory party unity, will still deny the electorate a second vote.

We've had six months of being told that the EU would capitulate and fold at the last minute because that's what they always do.

 

But they didn't.

 

But some people have definitely folded, capitulated, bottled it, collapsed.

 

Rees-Mogg, Duncan-Smith, Boris. Sopping, sopping, sopping wet. Wet. Wet. Wet.

 

Popped in. Sold out.

[Tamesaint]

We've had six months of being told that the EU would capitulate and fold at the last minute because that's what they always do.

 

But they didn't.

 

But some people have definitely folded, capitulated, bottled it, collapsed.

 

Rees-Mogg, Duncan-Smith, Boris. Sopping, sopping, sopping wet. Wet. Wet. Wet.

 

Popped in. Sold out.

 

They all criticise May for her negotiating style yet theirs has been appalling.

 

Davis, Raab and Boris have all walked away when the going got too tough for them.

 

Their insistence on a " pure Brexit" and rejection of the WA has gained them nothing and may even lead to no Brexit.

 

They mishandled the vote of confidence in May back before Christmas meaning that she could not be challenged until December 2019.

 

God help us if they get their hands on the tiller.

Edited 27 March, 2019 by Tamesaint

[aintforever]

Now I guess Boris will suddenly decide he wants to be PM and with the deal already signed and sealed he can blame it all on May when things go **** shaped.

[Cartman]

I can't believe Michael Fabricant is a real MP. I honestly thought he was Harry Enfield impersonating Boris Johnson.

[Sheaf Saint]

Well one thing has happened today which I never expected - I actually found myself feeling a modicum of respect for a handful of Tory MPs who have shown genuine integrity and concern for their constituents above their own self interest. Never thought I would see the day.

 

I mean, I would still sooner shoot myself in the head than ever vote for them, but at least they've shown there are one or two decent human beings amongst them.

[Guided Missile]

I am so glad we are all jumping into the lifeboat...

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[badgerx16]

The DUP won't support May's deal, nor abstain, and as a result JRM has said he cannot support it either, so it looks like the third vote won't go ahead. In that case May probably won't be quitting.

[badgerx16]

All 8 options in the 'indicative votes' have been rejected. Who would have thought it.

( The option for a Peoples Vote got more support from MPs than May's deal managed ).

Edited 27 March, 2019 by badgerx16

[Cartman]

Rejected every single option

 

They are beyond useless.

[CB Fry]

They've rejected all the options.

 

The confirmation vote option got through with the narrowest majority, and gained more votes than for May's deal.

 

Based on that, it could be that May's deal, but dependent on a confirmation vote, could get through.

[whelk]

Fcking joke. Started to like the deal just to get something through.

[badgerx16]

They've rejected all the options.

 

The confirmation vote option got through with the narrowest majority, and gained more votes than for May's deal.

 

Based on that, it could be that May's deal, but dependent on a confirmation vote, could get through.

With the DUP still opposing it, and consequently a fair few of the ERG as well, I don't think it is viable.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

This is a ****ing **** show. An absolute **** show.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Parliament is broken.

[Tamesaint]

With the DUP still opposing it, and consequently a fair few of the ERG as well, I don't think it is viable.

 

It would get through if Labour abstained ... which they say they would do if the vote was put to a confirmatory referendum with the options being May's deal or no Brexit.

 

I think that is the only way forward.

[Plastic]

What was it? 14 options and no majority for any? Parliament should be disbanded and we should start again. This lot don’t have a clue what they want.

[CB Fry]

It would get through if Labour abstained ... which they say they would do if the vote was put to a confirmatory referendum with the options being May's deal or no Brexit.

 

I think that is the only way forward.

That's what I mean. Labour go sh it or bust saying they will let the deal go to get the second vote - SNP, TIG and enough Tories would support.

 

Depends on how much Labour really want a people's vote. The answer probably is: not much. Jeremy is a leaver.

 

The weird thing about the DUP is if there is an election they could just go back to being completely irrelevant as they have been in other parliaments so might have to suck it up anyway. They are pretty repulsive as a political entity but fair play they have stuck to their principles.

 

Anyway: EU will capitulate any day now.

[saint1977]

It would get through if Labour abstained ... which they say they would do if the vote was put to a confirmatory referendum with the options being May's deal or no Brexit.

 

I think that is the only way forward.

 

This is the only way forward I can see as well. Gets the DUP out of picture and rightly so, can’t have the whole country held to ransom by a few far right sectarian lunatics. May’s fault for calling that election. Labour are no better, could have worked cross-party in the national interest, instead we end up with eight options. Corbyn is as useless as May.

 

The only bright spot today is JRM and Boris being shown up even amongst their far right mates as turncoats and that’s Boris leadership race shot, however much the Barclays hand over the Telegraph to his total control.

 

Steve Baker is actually clinically insane it would appear.

 

Disgrace the lot of them. People talk about sovereignty but they can stick it if this what it means. Just want to get on with our jobs, rebuild the economy and financial system and keep our education systems strong. No Deal trashes all of that for a generation.

 

Get May’s deal passed and f ucking move on

[CB Fry]

Fcking joke. Started to like the deal just to get something through.

Just wait until the end of the transition deal rolls around.

 

Honestly you ain't seen nothing yet. Will be absolute fuc king carnage. See you in 2021 (plus begging for an extension then another extension).

[Tamesaint]

That's what I mean. Labour go sh it or bust saying they will let the deal go to get the second vote - SNP, TIG and enough Tories would support.

 

Depends on how much Labour really want a people's vote. The answer probably is: not much. Jeremy is a leaver.

 

The weird thing about the DUP is if there is an election they could just go back to being completely irrelevant as they have been in other parliaments so might have to suck it up anyway. They are pretty repulsive as a political entity but fair play they have stuck to their principles.

 

Anyway: EU will capitulate any day now.

 

The key will be the question in the confirmatory referendum. Assuming it will be a binary vote will it be May' s deal v No deal or May's deal v No Brexit?

 

With any kind of decent Labour leader it would be May v No Brexit. With that clown in charge of Labour I am not so sure.

[badgerx16]

It would get through if Labour abstained ... which they say they would do if the vote was put to a confirmatory referendum with the options being May's deal or no Brexit.

 

I think that is the only way forward.

But they would first have to agree to such a referendum, and the whole bunch are such self-centred contrary b_a_s_t_a_r_d_s that they cannot be relied on to do anything verging on sensible.

[scotty]

What was it? 14 options and no majority for any? Parliament should be disbanded and we should start again. This lot don’t have a clue what they want.

 

They know exactly what they want, it's just happens that it doesn't tally with the referendum decision. MPs of most parties were overwhelmingly pro-remain, very few of them are working to deliver brexit because they want to, they're only doing it because the electorate told them to. They certainly don't believe in it.

[CB Fry]

They know exactly what they want, it's just happens that it doesn't tally with the referendum decision. MPs of most parties were overwhelmingly pro-remain, very few of them are working to deliver brexit because they want to, they're only doing it because the electorate told them to. They certainly don't believe in it.

They don't believe in it because it's a load of old sh it mate.

[Jonnyboy]

But they would first have to agree to such a referendum, and the whole bunch are such self-centred contrary b_a_s_t_a_r_d_s that they cannot be relied on to do anything verging on sensible.

 

And some on here would pay them £350K a year, because that wouldn't attract self-serving types at all oh no.

[benjii]

And some on here would pay them £350K a year, because that wouldn't attract self-serving types at all oh no.

 

Do you think the poxy wage of £70somethingK is commensurate to the importance of the job or the skills required to do it well?

[doddisalegend]

Surely its time to just hold another referendum? The government and HoC seem totally unable to sort out this crap. Its been three years since the last public vote and a **** load of water has gone under the bridge old voters have died, new voters have become eligible and we all now have a much better idea of what leave actual means. Seeing as leaving is pretty much a one way ticket it would be the responsible and democratic thing to do check public opinion hasn't change after three years. So just ask the public again, remain or leave?, and if its leave May's Deal or no deal? What ever the result implement it within in a month and then we can all just get on with our lives.

[Guided Missile]

Do you think the poxy wage of £70somethingK is commensurate to the importance of the job or the skills required to do it well?

Trump's yearly salary is $400,000. Article II of the Constitution requires the president to be paid, so Trump modified his promise to donate his whole salary so that he accepts just $1 per year. Trump has donated his quarterly salary since taking office. Recipients include the National Park Service, the U.S. Education Department, the Transportation Department, the Department of Health and Human Services, and the Department of Veterans Affairs.

Imagine that happening in the UK? Even our socialist heroes, the Blairs and the Kinnocks have their snouts in the trough. The only charitable donations Blair makes is with other peoples money. A true socialist...

[Guided Missile]

Duplicate post...

[trousers]

Surely its time to just hold another referendum?

 

Agree, but isn't that catch-22 territory? i.e. the same MPs that can't agree on anything would have to agree on holding a referendum...

 

[doddisalegend]

Agree, but isn't that catch-22 territory? i.e. the same MPs that can't agree on anything would have to agree on holding a referendum...

 

Probably but then you get the feeling most of them would rather be relieved of the responsibility. It's almost like they are terrified of making any decisions now the whole subject is so toxic.

 

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[Unbelievable Jeff]

Nicola Sturgeon

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@NicolaSturgeon

Dear @jeremycorbyn - instead of talking about things that happened when I was eight years old, how about showing some leadership today? You could start by asking yourself why the polls show you still trailing behind the most incompetent Tory government in our lifetimes.

[Verbal]

Nicola Sturgeon

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@NicolaSturgeon

Dear @jeremycorbyn - instead of talking about things that happened when I was eight years old, how about showing some leadership today? You could start by asking yourself why the polls show you still trailing behind the most incompetent Tory government in our lifetimes.

 

Amen. When are the Cobynista boneheads going to accept the plain evidence that their hero is leading (in the loosest possible sense) them, and the rest of us, into a hopeless wilderness, while the worst Tory government in living memory continues to lead the polls into the coming election?

 

At least individual Labour MPs continue to shine. My MP has just won a seven-year-long battle to protect my local hospital. This is what Labour should be for - but to be really effective, and transformative, they need to govern.

[Sheaf Saint]

Nicola Sturgeon

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@NicolaSturgeon

Dear @jeremycorbyn - instead of talking about things that happened when I was eight years old, how about showing some leadership today? You could start by asking yourself why the polls show you still trailing behind the most incompetent Tory government in our lifetimes.

 

Yeah I saw this earlier and found myself in complete agreement with her.

 

Just like last week when he could have engaged with a huge number of his party's members and supporters marching in London, he chose to duck out of it and go and do some local election campaigning in Morecambe . Now I am familiar with Morecambe and how much it has gone downhill in recent years, so I can kind of understand why he would want to bring attention to the socio-economic problems in the town, but really? Was that the wisest use of the opposition leader's time on that day of all days?

 

He won't commit to a policy of supporting a people's vote or 2nd referendum because, despite having campaigned for remain, he has always been a leaver at heart - albeit for very different reasons from the Tories/ERG. This has led to him becoming completely disconnected from his voters, leaving the opposition party completely lacking in any leadership when the government is not just on the ropes, but down on the canvass with a broken nose.

[Sheaf Saint]

Meanwhile...

 

 

Less than a day after he had already done a massive u-turn and said he would support May's deal (remember him hiring a photographer to picture him signing his resignation letter from the cabinet in protest over it?), because he got a sniff of the chance to get the PM job if he did - He's now gone full 360 again. The most shameless, narcissistic charlatan that British politics has ever known.

[edprice1984]

Amen. When are the Cobynista boneheads going to accept the plain evidence that their hero is leading (in the loosest possible sense) them, and the rest of us, into a hopeless wilderness, while the worst Tory government in living memory continues to lead the polls into the coming election?

 

At least individual Labour MPs continue to shine. My MP has just won a seven-year-long battle to protect my local hospital. This is what Labour should be for - but to be really effective, and transformative, they need to govern.

 

 

There was an interesting point made last night on Sky News by someone who works for Institute for Government (or a similar organistion) re Labour, their 2017 manifesto and how they framed the debate away from Brexit.

 

The speaker stated that her MP, who is Labour, barely mentioned Brexit during the election campaign. It was all about social mobility, income inequality etc. Obviously some of this was linked to Brexit, particularly around foreign workers but if you look at Corbyn's message and why it resounded so well particularly with young voters was because by not really mentioning Brexit, or at least by being ambiguous enough to allow people to assume that he would stop it or soften the eventual outcome very few people really questioned his position. Especially when it was easier to go after the ideas related to Nationalisation of services and the railways.

 

The problem he and the Labour party have got now is that the vast majority of their membership are vehemently against Brexit in any form and won't accept a fudge again (hence how he has now been forced to advocate for a confirmatory 2nd referendum). But he knows if we do Remain in the EU, none of the nationalisation stuff can happen due to it being deemed as State Aid. (I know that other EU countries have publicly owned services but none of these were previously private, certainly not since Lisbon or Maastricht.

 

What really makes me angry is the MP's who abstain on these matters. I can just about accept it from members of the Cabinet - but personally would rather they vote with the Gov. even if I don't agree with their stance. My MP, Richard Graham (Gloucester) voted against No Deal, Revoke A50; 2nd Ref and the Malthouse B thing; but then abstained on all the other votes. What is the point. Even if he voted against all of them, at least he would have had done his job!

 

Obviously the situation changes very quickly these days, but as it stands the only way for her deal to get through would be by adopting the amendment to have a 2nd ref or possibly by changing the political declaration to incorporate a demand for a Customs Union. The DUP, despite them being pretty odious in terms of most of their policies are at least the only party standing up for the Union. I am also starting to wonder if the ERG and the other hardliners actually want Brexit at all. Maybe a dawning that if this goes wrong (no matter the type of Brexit) they will be blamed. Better to be on the outside, shouting against the wind.

[Jonnyboy]

Do you think the poxy wage of £70somethingK is commensurate to the importance of the job or the skills required to do it well?

 

Why not pay them £1million a year? Then we will only get the best of the best and the UK and all its citizens will flourish.

[Sheaf Saint]

Do you think the poxy wage of £70somethingK is commensurate to the importance of the job or the skills required to do it well?

 

Blimey! You must be minted if you think a salary of £70k is "poxy" (it's actually closer to £80k though).

 

The thing is though, it doesn't matter if you pay £70k or £700k, the fact remains that literally anyone can become an MP - and rightly so. It shouldn't be the sole domain of only those who can afford a decent education, despite what the Tories may think.

 

I would be happier knowing that people enter politics because they are passionate about their beliefs and have a genuine desire to improve other people's lives, rather than seeing it purely as a lucrative career.

[moonraker]

Why not pay them £1million a year? Then we will only get the best of the best and the UK and all its citizens will flourish.

 

That is hardly answering the question, what do you think is a fair salary for the job they do, if you were there trade union negotiator what you you expect for you members who were: working unsociable hours, working long hours, working away from home, working in an out of date antiquated place of work, being a potential target for terrorists, only having a fixed term contract.......

[Nordic Saint]

Why not pay them £1million a year? Then we will only get the best of the best and the UK and all its citizens will flourish.

 

We have the 2nd largest legislature in the world, after China, with 650 members in the House of Commons plus 793 in the House of Lords plus all of their secretaries, advisors and hangers-on. That's nearly 3 times as many members as the USA has in Congress and the Senate.

 

There was a proposal to reduce the number of MPs but it was soon buried as it would have been like turkeys voting for Christmas. Per capita, we already have the most expensive government to maintain in the whole world. In most countries the government exists to serve the people; in the UK, the people pay to support a ridiculously large, expensive government.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_legislatures_by_number_of_members

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Blimey! You must be minted if you think a salary of £70k is "poxy" (it's actually closer to £80k though).

 

The thing is though, it doesn't matter if you pay £70k or £700k, the fact remains that literally anyone can become an MP - and rightly so. It shouldn't be the sole domain of only those who can afford a decent education, despite what the Tories may think.

 

I would be happier knowing that people enter politics because they are passionate about their beliefs and have a genuine desire to improve other people's lives, rather than seeing it purely as a lucrative career.

 

70k is less than a mid-management job in London - it's probably why MPs have ****ed up their expenses so much.

[Plastic]

This is the only option my MP voted in favour of. What a ***t.

 

 

"I would always prefer the UK to leave the EU with a Deal – and leaving No Deal on the table will, in my opinion, make that more likely."

There you have it, keeping no deal on the table makes a deal more likely.

Edited 28 March, 2019 by Plastic

[Nordic Saint]

The basic salary of an MP is £77,379 but they make considerably more in expenses than people do in most other jobs, including their accommodation costs and unlimited travel expenses. They also receive a London area monthly living allowancee of £3,940, an office budget of £27,660 per year. They are also allowed up top £164,460 per year to employ their own assistants and many of them pay this to their wives. They also receive extra accommodation allowances for dependents.

 

When you take all of their allowances into consideration, which mean they hardly need to touch their basic salaries, they are on more than £150,000 per year. Then, they can receive considerably more for more senior posts. Ministers, foir example are on a basic salary of £141,505 per annum.

 

I can't believe there are people on here who think we should pay themn even more.

[badgerx16]

So May's "substantial change" to get around the Speaker's ruling on a third vote is to take the Political Declaration out of the document being voted on.

[badgerx16]

The Tory MP for St Austell, who previously described May's deal as a 'turd' and said that he could never support it, and subscribed to the "no deal is preferable to a bad deal" mantra, says he will now "reluctantly" support it if a third vote is offered.

 

But the public are not allowed the chance to show if they have changed their minds.