Brexit - Post Match Reaction

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Agreed but the hard Brexiteers just don't seem to be able to grasp this off the bat. I have no idea what they're expecting to happen from tomorrow onwards. There are about what 80-90 of them and they need 325 or so for a majority in the Commons.

Brexit just won't happen, which kind of suits me although I'm pretty hacked off about all the money I've lost due to the fall in Sterling.

 

Wes and Guided Missile have said they will personally reimburse any lost monies as the Brexit vote has not affected anyone.

 

As soon as I leave my job I'm going to be invoicing them my daily rate until I get a new job.

[Window Cleaner]

Wes and Guided Missile have said they will personally reimburse any lost monies as the Brexit vote has not affected anyone.

 

As soon as I leave my job I'm going to be invoicing them my daily rate until I get a new job.

 

Well then they're just idiots. They just need to ask any expat who has residual income from the UK, let alone those who retired to Spain and Portugal with no local income whatsoever. I know a few, they're nigh on 20% down now. Some have even had to get loans from their kids instead of the usual vice-versa.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Well then they're just idiots. They just need to ask any expat who has residual income from the UK, let alone those who retired to Spain and Portugal with no local income whatsoever. I know a few, they're nigh on 20% down now. Some have even had to get loans from their kids instead of the usual vice-versa.

 

It's fine though - it's collateral they are happy to see to ensure we an have bendy banana's and less foreign voices in the local pub. The same as they are happy to see deaths due to people not being able to afford to eat, or forced onto the streets, or violence and looting if Brexit isn't implemented the way they want it, and a return to sectarian violence in Ireland and the rest of the UK. It'll be just like the halcyon days of the 1960's - 1980's.

Edited 12 March, 2019 by Unbelievable Jeff

[LGTL]

Jingoistic tub thumping.

 

This is how it will go:

 

This evenings vote will reject the deal on offer.

Tomorrow's will vote against a no-deal Brexit.

After that there will be a short delay voted which will bring about absolutely nothing.

Then there will be another referendum which will go the way of Remain or a General Election.

In either case the result will be the same and Brexit Leave voters will have been shafted by Northern Ireland.

 

This. I expect some on the island of Ireland will see it as poetic justice. As I have stated on here before, the NI situation and GFA make Brexit almost impossible, and so it's proved.

 

Anyway, appears very much like we ain't leaving

[aintforever]

This. I expect some on the island of Ireland will see it as poetic justice. As I have stated on here before, the NI situation and GFA make Brexit almost impossible, and so it's proved.

 

And given that NI or the GFA were barely mentioned prior to the first referendum let alone a major issue, that is reason enough alone to have a 2nd.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

We need a General Election...imagine the carnage!!

[buctootim]

We need a General Election...imagine the carnage!!

 

Great. A vote for the Untouchables; the Unmentionables or the Unelectables. Choices choices.

[CB Fry]

What the fck u going on about porn for? The new EU law on the internet is over copyright laws, has f all to do with porn you idiot. its for **** we post, say or do, being stopped from visiting sites like WikiLeaks news sites that report what the EU don't want you to see and co as we already know torrent sites or football streaming sites or making forums posts about any thing illegal, all this will be banned / deleted and offenders will be prosecuted, if we don't own the right it'll be removed and can be prosecuted for copyright infringement's. EG posting a link / emailing messaging on FB twitter and so on to a football streaming website will be illegal, posting memes you have not got permissions to make / post / don't own the content. its got sweet F A to do with porn, its about the EU filtering and watching every thing you do, the content we see online, how Chinas internet is run, you know behind a firewall that restricts every thing you can see and do and if you go around it you will be punished by a prison sentence, you know, controlling what information we can see and dictating to us what we should and shouldn't be reading.

 

Read my post again sweetheart. I'm talking about a different, invasive internet policy currently being activated by our sovereign government. I'm sure you support it because democracy innit.

[hypochondriac]

Read my post again sweetheart. I'm talking about a different, invasive internet policy currently being activated by our sovereign government. I'm sure you support it because democracy innit.

Vpn is your friend.

[whelk]

Haven’t been overly plugged in on Brexit recently but why the fck are they voting on same stuff that got hammered last time? Presumably massive defeat coming again?

[hypochondriac]

Haven’t been overly plugged in on Brexit recently but why the fck are they voting on same stuff that got hammered last time? Presumably massive defeat coming again?

Because May thought she could get something legally enforceable through on the backstop which seems to be the major sticking point for most. She couldn't so she will lose heavily again.

[hypochondriac]

And there we go. 149 loss. Pathetic. She has to go.

[Jonnyboy]

General Election please.

[Verbal]

Fantastic. The Jihadists have fu cked Brexit.

[shurlock]

David Davis voted for the WA

[Lighthouse]

What next then?

 

I reckon they will vote no on no deal, then yes for an extension, which will eventually be granted with a few conditions, followed by a GE.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

General Election please.

 

Needs to be a Labour leadership election before that happens tbf.

[doddisalegend]

General Election please.

 

What's the point? There isn't any party worth voting for... c u n t s the lot of them...

Edited 13 March, 2019 by doddisalegend

[Unbelievable Jeff]

So...we don't have time for a second referendum, the deal won't be brought back to the table, tomorrow's vote will mean that no deal can't happen, so from my eyes the only thing that can happen is a revocation of Article 50.

[LGTL]

Chance of No Deal will be wiped out tomorrow, thank god. Article 50 extended and then who knows. Likely May will be gone though.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Chance of No Deal will be wiped out tomorrow, thank god. Article 50 extended and then who knows. Likely May will be gone though.

 

Yes, but for how long, and to what end..?

[badgerx16]

Chance of No Deal will be wiped out tomorrow, thank god. Article 50 extended and then who knows. Likely May will be gone though.

 

But how far can A50 be extended before we run into having to possibly have European Elections at the end of May ? ( "end of May", we can but hope ).

Edited 12 March, 2019 by badgerx16

[egg]

What next then?

 

I reckon they will vote no on no deal, then yes for an extension, which will eventually be granted with a few conditions, followed by a GE.

 

I reckon it'll be no to no deal and no to the extension. Her comment tonight that the government will implement any vote against a no deal was interesting and all but suggests revoking the existing law - I'm not sure what else she could have meant.

 

No deal, and no to no deal, and no extension, all points to a 2nd referendum imo.

 

Complete farce.

[buctootim]

Yes, but for how long, and to what end..?

 

There is probably a majority for Norway + but it would take time to negotiate. If for any reason an extension wasn't possible and it came down to were a choice between No deal or remain Parliament would vote remain imo

[Lighthouse]

But how far can A50 be extended before we run into having to possibly have European Elections at the end of May ? ( "end of May", we can but hope ).

 

Perhaps that will be a condition of an extension. When they ask to what end she wants an extension, May will have to either resign or call a GE so that there is at least the prospect of someone else's deal being put on the table. Not saying that anyone else will do a better job but it's just a stalemate otherwise.

[egg]

Perhaps that will be a condition of an extension. When they ask to what end she wants an extension, May will have to either resign or call a GE so that there is at least the prospect of someone else's deal being put on the table. Not saying that anyone else will do a better job but it's just a stalemate otherwise.

 

"Someone else's deal". The EU have said that this is the only deal.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Chance of No Deal will be wiped out tomorrow, thank god. Article 50 extended and then who knows. Likely May will be gone though.

 

Duplicate post

[Unbelievable Jeff]

I reckon it'll be no to no deal and no to the extension. Her comment tonight that the government will implement any vote against a no deal was interesting and all but suggests revoking the existing law - I'm not sure what else she could have meant.

 

No deal, and no to no deal, and no extension, all points to a 2nd referendum imo.

 

Complete farce.

 

Won't get a second referendum as won't be able to extend article 50 that long.

 

We would have to revoke article 50 first.

[buctootim]

"Someone else's deal". The EU have said that this is the only deal.

 

This is the only deal because its the only deal May has been interested in. The EU would agree to many others, including a customs union.

[egg]

Won't get a second referendum as won't be able to extend article 50 that long.

 

We would have to revoke article 50 first.

Perhaps. With no deal, and no deal ruled out, and no extension, it can only be revocation or referendum. I think.

 

Is there an option for the EU to extend article 50 and impose it on us?

[egg]

This is the only deal because its the only deal May has been interested in. The EU would agree to many others, including a customs union.

That may have been the case, but where we are now, the EU are clear that it's this deal or no deal or revoke. We ain't in charge.

[buctootim]

That may have been the case, but where we are now, the EU are clear that it's this deal or no deal or revoke. We ain't in charge.

 

I think they'd grant an extension for a proposal which has parliamentary support and a referendum at the end of it.

[aintforever]

Is there an option for the EU to extend article 50 and impose it on us?

 

Article 50 can only be extended with the EUs permission so they can make us have a second refurendum if they want.

 

The MPs all know this.

[CB Fry]

May's deal will make a comeback and the ERG will fall in line and swallow that fu cker whole. David Davis has sucked it right up already.

 

No deal will be rejected tomorrow so the deal will be the least worst option left for the Brexiteers. They'll vote for it and claim it as a victory.

[egg]

I think they'd grant an extension for a proposal which has parliamentary support and a referendum at the end of it.

 

Perhaps, but I don't think we're heading that way. It's feeling like a very contrived move towards remain.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

I think they'd grant an extension for a proposal which has parliamentary support and a referendum at the end of it.

 

Not sure if it crosses the elections...

[egg]

Article 50 can only be extended with the EUs permission so they can make us have a second refurendum if they want.

 

The MPs all know this.

Forgive me. I appreciate we can seek an extension, and need all 27 to agree. The (badly worded) question was whether the EU can trigger an extension, without us seeking it, and impose it upon us. I genuinely don't know the answer.

[aintforever]

Endgame starts now. May has got her piece of paper with her "legal assurances" and everything.

 

So the ladder for the hard Brexiteers to climb down is now there, this is as good as it gets.

 

Make no mistake, they'll climb down, they'll swallow the fu cker whole and vote for the deal just to make sure Brexit happens. No peoples vote, no extension. They will bend over and by jingo they will take it right up em and say it tastes like Christmas cake.

 

For about a day they will claim it as a victory, plus they'll have their little blue passport themed street party on 29th March.

 

And then they will disown said deal the following day and then spend the next decade complaining about the EU and how badly they've treated us and they'd have definitely had done it better if only they were in charge.

 

Yeah, that went well

[Unbelievable Jeff]

May's deal will make a comeback and the ERG will fall in line and swallow that fu cker whole. David Davis has sucked it right up already.

 

No deal will be rejected tomorrow so the deal will be the least worst option left for the Brexiteers. They'll vote for it and claim it as a victory.

 

DUP won't though, I wouldn't have thought, and they're the Kingmakers...

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Yeah, that went well

 

I think CB Fry was saying this will happen before March 29th.

[aintforever]

Forgive me. I appreciate we can seek an extension, and need all 27 to agree. The (badly worded) question was whether the EU can trigger an extension, without us seeking it, and impose it upon us. I genuinely don't know the answer.

 

No don’t think they can, as it stands on the 29th we have nothing to do with the EU.

[CB Fry]

Yeah, that went well

 

It's not over yet sunshine. I added another post saying that it might not happen at this round of votes, just that it would happen through the process.

 

The ERG will vote this deal through once they feel the hot breath of no-Brexit down their necks. For now, they are still swinging their dicks about.

[aintforever]

I think CB Fry was saying this will happen before March 29th.

 

If they wanted it to happen they would have voted it through today, waiting a few more days to ask the same question doesn’t make any sense.

[CB Fry]

DUP won't though, I wouldn't have thought, and they're the Kingmakers...

As long as the ERG move, then enough Labour MPs in leave constituencies will then see that the opportunity to "respect the will of the people" is there and will also follow, rendering the DUP irrelevant.

[aintforever]

It's not over yet sunshine. I added another post saying that it might not happen at this round of votes, just that it would happen through the process.

 

The ERG will vote this deal through once they feel the hot breath of no-Brexit down their necks. For now, they are still swinging their dicks about.

 

When is the next round of votes then? I thought the next vote was for ‘no deal’ then after they it was for an extension?

[Saint86]

When is the next round of votes then? I thought the next vote was for ‘no deal’ then after they it was for an extension?

 

The next vote is for no deal on March 29th, not no deal full stop.

 

We won't be allowed to extend past the european elections as they fear they will lose control of the EU parliament to the right (our government is to weak to use that / no deal as bargaining chips).

 

Total farce. There was never any intention of delivering Brexit, that much is clear. What is disgusting is that they have wasted 3 years of everyone's time (and no doubt negatively impacted a lot of people's lives) all so they can cause enough uncertainty/fatigue to get out of the whole thing.

 

Either way, democracy is dead in the UK. But then that is what the west wants for all its citizens... even better if they can be marched along celebrating it like a victory... and even better if they can use the worlds longest standing democracy as the ultimate demonstration of happy subservience.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

If they wanted it to happen they would have voted it through today, waiting a few more days to ask the same question doesn’t make any sense.

 

Because tomorrow No Deal will be taken off the table, but they need to be tired into that corner.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

The next vote is for no deal on March 29th, not no deal full stop.

 

We won't be allowed to extend past the european elections as they fear they will lose control of the EU parliament to the right (our government is to weak to use that / no deal as bargaining chips).

 

Total farce. There was never any intention of delivering Brexit, that much is clear. What is disgusting is that they have wasted 3 years of everyone's time (and no doubt negatively impacted a lot of people's lives) all so they can cause enough uncertainty/fatigue to get out of the whole thing.

 

Either way, democracy is dead in the UK. But then that is what the west wants for all its citizens... even better if they can be marched along celebrating it like a victory... and even better if they can use the worlds longest standing democracy as the ultimate demonstration of happy subservience.

 

But Brexit is not possible with the GFA around. That is the issue. Everything else is pretty irrelevant.

[egg]

But Brexit is not possible with the GFA around. That is the issue. Everything else is pretty irrelevant.

 

No deal, with both the ROI and us refusing to invoke a border. Unrealistic, but theoretically possible.

[CB Fry]

When is the next round of votes then? I thought the next vote was for ‘no deal’ then after they it was for an extension?

Once the house votes for no deal tomorrow then May's deal becomes by some distance the least worst option for the ERG.

 

Better than a short extension

Better than a long extension that the EU might demand

Better than a revocation of A50 which could go to a commons vote as a last ditch attempt to stop actual no-deal

Better than a General Election

Better than a second referendum

 

 

The ERG will vote for May's deal and call it their victory. As will Les and Guided Missile and everyone else posting Union Jacks and pictures of champagne flutes and singing the Great Escape tune and all the other sh it we will get on March 29th.

 

The endgame I referred to yesterday is not about the ERG vs May. The endgame now is about the ERG stopping Anna Soubry and Chukka Umuna "winning". They will not let them win.

Edited 12 March, 2019 by CB Fry