Brexit - Post Match Reaction

[Wes Tender]

Jesus wept. You really are thicker than a butcher’s turd.

 

I see that you are your usually charming, polite and affable self.

 

Find a dark corner, sit there quietly until you can calm yourself down a bit.

[shurlock]

Legally binding changes that turn on 'good faith' and 'best endeavours' terms.

 

Anyone with an iota of legal knowledge knows that 'good faith' is one of the most slippery and difficult concepts to prove in law. It falls well short of Cox's push for a test of reasonableness that's for sure.

 

Let's see if the chumps in the ERG swallow it.

Edited 11 March, 2019 by shurlock

[Wes Tender]

And the bitter pill for the Brexiteers on this thread are twofold. First of all, they believed everything the hard brexiteers of the ERG told them they'd get in relation to a hard Brexit, and now, they're being made mugs of a second time as that same ERG will vote for a deal that is nowhere near a proper Brexit.

 

Done like kippers. I really do pity them, as they've got to face their kids, and grandkids in years to come, and say that this is what they voted for.

 

It's not going to be voted through tomorrow. Sorry to disappoint you.

[shurlock]

What laws would you repeal? And what don't you agree with in the Japanese trade agreement? Without any substantiation, it's just parroted words.

 

Remember this is the same Japanese FTA that Japan has refused to grant to the UK because the terms are too generous.

 

If the EU-Japan FTA is terrible, I wonder what this makes any prospective UK-Japan FTA...

[shurlock]

It's not going to be voted through tomorrow. Sorry to disappoint you.

 

Worried your boys are going to sell you out Les?

[Portugalsaint]

Tomorrow’s vote. Could be closer than we all think.

[CB Fry]

It's not going to be voted through tomorrow. Sorry to disappoint you.

Maybe not today.

 

But it will and when it does you'll claim it as a victory and on March 29th you'll be on this thread with your celebratory "independence day" horsesh it. See you then.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

The new copyright directive which will be the start of censorship on the internet. that's just one of the top of my head, that I don't want or had a chance nor did any one else on if we to bring it into law.

 

if you do not see why the EU's trade deal with Japan is bad for the UK, then Its pointless explaining it, cause you wont get it any way or just wont care as it wont directly effect you.

 

You've obviously looked into the trade deal more than me, so why don't you let me know where the issue is?

 

I assume you supported the Snoopers Charter, did you? Article 13 at the moment is just protecting the copyright of people on the internet - not sure how that's particularly a bad thing.

Edited 12 March, 2019 by Unbelievable Jeff

[Unbelievable Jeff]

It's not going to be voted through tomorrow. Sorry to disappoint you.

 

Where did I say it would get voted through "tomorrow"?

[CB Fry]

The new copyright directive which will be the start of censorship on the internet. that's just one of the top of my head, that I don't want or had a chance nor did any one else on if we to bring it into law.

 

if you do not see why the EU's trade deal with Japan is bad for the UK, then Its pointless explaining it, cause you wont get it any way or just wont care as it wont directly effect you.

 

If you don't like internet censorship - and let's be honest, we all love knocking one out - then you're going to love the UK's new porn laws which seems to involve giving your passport number away to get on Redtube.

 

Nothing to do with the EU though.

[Wes Tender]

Maybe not today.

 

But it will and when it does you'll claim it as a victory and on March 29th you'll be on this thread with your celebratory "independence day" horsesh it. See you then.

 

If we leave on WTO terms then certainly I'll be cracking open a bottle or two of English sparkling wine to celebrate. Apart from being out of the EU technically, there is little to celebrate leaving on May's so-called "deal", which is BRINO. But then there is always the hope that the party subsequently gets shot of the useless, spineless, devious cow soon after, and appoints somebody more capable of negotiating something better further down the line.

[shurlock]

If we leave on WTO terms then certainly I'll be cracking open a bottle or two of English sparkling wine to celebrate. Apart from being out of the EU technically, there is little to celebrate leaving on May's so-called "deal", which is BRINO. But then there is always the hope that the party subsequently gets shot of the useless, spineless, devious cow soon after, and appoints somebody more capable of negotiating something better further down the line.

 

And there’s always hope that Saints might qualify for the CL.

 

Sounds like you’re trying to put on a brave face little fella

[aintforever]

I can't see it being voted through, and a no deal definitely wont so that would mean a delay and the EU could insist on a second vote.

 

The best outcome from this mess IMO.

[shurlock]

David Davis sounds like he’s preparing to stand down and back the WA.

 

Oh Les, JJ, LD and the rest of the swivels....

[Unbelievable Jeff]

David Davis sounds like he’s preparing to stand down and back the WA.

 

Oh Les, JJ, LD and the rest of the swivels....

 

Can you imagine..?

[Wes Tender]

A case of premature ejaculation from Jeff and "little fella" Shurlock.

 

Had they read the coverage correctly, then they would have noticed the caveat that Davis placed on his potential acceptance of the Withdrawal Agreement. That is that Attorney General Geoffrey Cox had to OK it as being a legally binding way out of the so-called backstop arrangements. I suspect that it goes further than that too, that it would also have to pass muster by the nine Conservative legal eagles who have formed their own committee to appraise any deal.

 

But just as you anti-democratic Remoaners on here are prematurely crowing about Davis potentially accepting the legal additions to the WA, Cox's predecessor the oleaginous rat anti-Brexit campaigner and former Attorney General Dominic Grieve has already appeared on the radio this morning to announce that in his view the changes announced last night would not allow the UK “to terminate the backstop at a time of its own choosing” and that the new documents do not make “any significant difference” to the Withdrawal Agreement.

[Guided Missile]

A case of premature ejaculation from Jeff and "little fella" Shurlock.

 

Had they read the coverage correctly, then they would have noticed the caveat that Davis placed on his potential acceptance of the Withdrawal Agreement. That is that Attorney General Geoffrey Cox had to OK it as being a legally binding way out of the so-called backstop arrangements. I suspect that it goes further than that too, that it would also have to pass muster by the nine Conservative legal eagles who have formed their own committee to appraise any deal.

 

But just as you anti-democratic Remoaners on here are prematurely crowing about Davis potentially accepting the legal additions to the WA, Cox's predecessor the oleaginous rat anti-Brexit campaigner and former Attorney General Dominic Grieve has already appeared on the radio this morning to announce that in his view the changes announced last night would not allow the UK “to terminate the backstop at a time of its own choosing” and that the new documents do not make “any significant difference” to the Withdrawal Agreement.

 

Latest legal advice:

 

[Mosin]

If you don't like internet censorship - and let's be honest, we all love knocking one out - then you're going to love the UK's new porn laws which seems to involve giving your passport number away to get on Redtube.

 

Nothing to do with the EU though.

 

 

What the fck u going on about porn for? The new EU law on the internet is over copyright laws, has f all to do with porn you idiot. its for **** we post, say or do, being stopped from visiting sites like WikiLeaks news sites that report what the EU don't want you to see and co as we already know torrent sites or football streaming sites or making forums posts about any thing illegal, all this will be banned / deleted and offenders will be prosecuted, if we don't own the right it'll be removed and can be prosecuted for copyright infringement's. EG posting a link / emailing messaging on FB twitter and so on to a football streaming website will be illegal, posting memes you have not got permissions to make / post / don't own the content. its got sweet F A to do with porn, its about the EU filtering and watching every thing you do, the content we see online, how Chinas internet is run, you know behind a firewall that restricts every thing you can see and do and if you go around it you will be punished by a prison sentence, you know, controlling what information we can see and dictating to us what we should and shouldn't be reading.

[shurlock]

A case of premature ejaculation from Jeff and "little fella" Shurlock.

 

Had they read the coverage correctly, then they would have noticed the caveat that Davis placed on his potential acceptance of the Withdrawal Agreement. That is that Attorney General Geoffrey Cox had to OK it as being a legally binding way out of the so-called backstop arrangements. I suspect that it goes further than that too, that it would also have to pass muster by the nine Conservative legal eagles who have formed their own committee to appraise any deal.

 

But just as you anti-democratic Remoaners on here are prematurely crowing about Davis potentially accepting the legal additions to the WA, Cox's predecessor the oleaginous rat anti-Brexit campaigner and former Attorney General Dominic Grieve has already appeared on the radio this morning to announce that in his view the changes announced last night would not allow the UK “to terminate the backstop at a time of its own choosing” and that the new documents do not make “any significant difference” to the Withdrawal Agreement.

 

As I noted last night, I don't think the latest package of measures relating to the Northern Ireland backstop change much. Proving the UK is being held deliberately, and in bad faith, in the backstop indefinitely is incredibly difficult. Good faith is basically a toothless obligation in common law systems, though it has a bit more bite on the continent. Its far far far more likely that the UK could be held in the backstop indefinitely in good faith as negotiations broke down or the two sides disagreed over the feasibility or desirability of different approaches (e.g. a technological solution to the border). The UK would have zero recourse in these circumstances. Either way. its pretty clear you and your swivel friends are on the ropes and you're getting flustered that you might be sold down the river

 

I'd be quite happy if May's WA gets voted down because Parliament will then take no deal off the table and will vote to request an extension to Article 50.

 

Pick your poison little fella

Edited 12 March, 2019 by shurlock

[Unbelievable Jeff]

What the fck u going on about porn for? The new EU law on the internet is over copyright laws, has f all to do with porn you idiot. its for **** we post, say or do, being stopped from visiting sites like WikiLeaks news sites that report what the EU don't want you to see and co as we already know torrent sites or football streaming sites or making forums posts about any thing illegal, all this will be banned / deleted and offenders will be prosecuted, if we don't own the right it'll be removed and can be prosecuted for copyright infringement's. EG posting a link / emailing messaging on FB twitter and so on to a football streaming website will be illegal, posting memes you have not got permissions to make / post / don't own the content. its got sweet F A to do with porn, its about the EU filtering and watching every thing you do, the content we see online, how Chinas internet is run, you know behind a firewall that restricts every thing you can see and do and if you go around it you will be punished by a prison sentence, you know, controlling what information we can see and dictating to us what we should and shouldn't be reading.

 

You mean like the snoopers charter, that was put forward by our Government, and was then told it was too "snoopery", by the EU...

 

Go figure.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

A case of premature ejaculation from Jeff and "little fella" Shurlock.

 

Had they read the coverage correctly, then they would have noticed the caveat that Davis placed on his potential acceptance of the Withdrawal Agreement. That is that Attorney General Geoffrey Cox had to OK it as being a legally binding way out of the so-called backstop arrangements. I suspect that it goes further than that too, that it would also have to pass muster by the nine Conservative legal eagles who have formed their own committee to appraise any deal.

 

But just as you anti-democratic Remoaners on here are prematurely crowing about Davis potentially accepting the legal additions to the WA, Cox's predecessor the oleaginous rat anti-Brexit campaigner and former Attorney General Dominic Grieve has already appeared on the radio this morning to announce that in his view the changes announced last night would not allow the UK “to terminate the backstop at a time of its own choosing” and that the new documents do not make “any significant difference” to the Withdrawal Agreement.

 

Lol, you see me as saying "Can you imagine..?" as a premature ejaculation?

 

[Guided Missile]

Meanwhile, the UK is, despite Brexit, smashing it...

 

[Unbelievable Jeff]

What the fck u going on about porn for? The new EU law on the internet is over copyright laws, has f all to do with porn you idiot. its for **** we post, say or do, being stopped from visiting sites like WikiLeaks news sites that report what the EU don't want you to see and co as we already know torrent sites or football streaming sites or making forums posts about any thing illegal, all this will be banned / deleted and offenders will be prosecuted, if we don't own the right it'll be removed and can be prosecuted for copyright infringement's. EG posting a link / emailing messaging on FB twitter and so on to a football streaming website will be illegal, posting memes you have not got permissions to make / post / don't own the content. its got sweet F A to do with porn, its about the EU filtering and watching every thing you do, the content we see online, how Chinas internet is run, you know behind a firewall that restricts every thing you can see and do and if you go around it you will be punished by a prison sentence, you know, controlling what information we can see and dictating to us what we should and shouldn't be reading.

 

As an aside, I think all torrent sites and illegal football streaming services should be banned - why shouldn't they be?

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Meanwhile, the UK is, despite Brexit, smashing it...

 

 

Where does that show us smashing it? Who are you comparing us to as there is no context, apart from the fact that we're certainly not smashing it compared to a couple of years ago.

Edited 12 March, 2019 by Unbelievable Jeff

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Legal risk unchanged - Geoffrey Cox.

 

Good, good - hopefully pushes us further towards extension and second vote.

[Wes Tender]

Lol, you see me as saying "Can you imagine..?" as a premature ejaculation?

 

 

Yes, since the "can you imagine" was surely your agreement to "little fella" Shurlock's ****fest at the possibility that Davis might vote for May's awful WA

[shurlock]

Legal risk unchanged - Geoffrey Cox.

 

Good, good - hopefully pushes us further towards extension and second vote.

 

Yep. Les and his fellow jihadis are deciding what to have for a lunch: a s**t sandwich (May's WA) or a frothy pint of p*ss (extension to Article 50).

 

Good.

[shurlock]

Yes, since the "can you imagine" was surely your agreement to "little fella" Shurlock's ****fest at the possibility that Davis might vote for May's awful WA

 

****fest - not sure what you're on about Les. Its going to be a beautiful week watching you melt down

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Yes, since the "can you imagine" was surely your agreement to "little fella" Shurlock's ****fest at the possibility that Davis might vote for May's awful WA

 

Are you this all over the place in your day to day life? Just wondering if it's normal, or if it's just Brexit that seems to have you not knowing if you're coming or going?

 

By the way, you never answered the below:

 

The Euro is irrelevant to the economic situation in Europe?

 

No, irrelevant to us. Maybe you can explain what the above means to us, if we stayed in the EU?

 

Fancy having a go?

[Window Cleaner]

Close the thread...you ain't leaving.

[shurlock]

What's the difference between a shopping trolley and a Brexiter?

 

A shopping trolley has a mind of its own.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

What's the difference between a shopping trolley and a Brexiter?

 

A shopping trolley has a mind of its own.

 

A shopping trolley doesn't post up random links from Brexit-supporting websites without understanding or explaining exactly what it means.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not quite as funny as your joke, admittedly. Equally pertinent though.

[Guided Missile]

More from Christopher Hope at 11:48 AM today:

 

 

Talk in the restaurants of Westminster are now turning to tomorrow's vote on exiting without a deal in the wake of the Geoffrey Cox pronouncement. One source tells me ministers are falling over themselves to say that they will back a no deal in tomorrow's expected vote if as expected it is whipped as a free vote. Ministers who want to get on in the party are seeing it as a chance for them to burnish their Brexit credentials with the grassroots. One said it will be the biggest and most important test for MPs and how they are seen by their grassroots since MPs voted to legalise gay marriage in 2013.

[Wes Tender]

As I noted last night, I don't think the latest package of measures relating to the Northern Ireland backstop change much. Proving the UK is being held deliberately, and in bad faith, in the backstop indefinitely is incredibly difficult. Good faith is basically a toothless obligation in common law systems, though it has a bit more bite on the continent. Its far far far more likely that the UK could be held in the backstop indefinitely in good faith as negotiations broke down or the two sides disagreed over the feasibility or desirability of different approaches (e.g. a technological solution to the border). The UK would have zero recourse in these circumstances. Either way. its pretty clear you and your swivel friends are on the ropes and you're getting flustered that you might be sold down the river

 

I'd be quite happy if May's WA gets voted down because Parliament will then take no deal off the table and will vote to request an extension to Article 50.

 

Pick your poison little fella

 

My poison as I've already made clear, is to leave on WTO terms. It is by no means definitely the case that amendments passed in Parliament to take no deal off the table or to extend Article 50 have force in law against the Article 50 Bill which states that we leave the EU on 29th March, deal or no deal.

 

Read this article again, particularly the political repercussions for the two main parties of reneging on their manifesto promises that they would honour the referendum decision.

 

https://brexitcentral.com/deal-no-deal-heres-brexit-cannot-stopped/

 

If we don't leave on 29th March, I am quite ambivalent about an extension, as it is not clear that one will be granted, but if it is, it is likely to be a long one, meaning that the Tories and Labour will be decimated in the local elections and the European Elections, as well as having to face growing anger and civil unrest in the Country. I believe that the grey suits of the Party will demand that May falls on her sword and that she is then replaced by somebody who actually is a Leaver, not a Remoaner like her.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

More from Christopher Hope at 11:48 AM today:

 

 

Talk in the restaurants of Westminster are now turning to tomorrow's vote on exiting without a deal in the wake of the Geoffrey Cox pronouncement. One source tells me ministers are falling over themselves to say that they will back a no deal in tomorrow's expected vote if as expected it is whipped as a free vote. Ministers who want to get on in the party are seeing it as a chance for them to burnish their Brexit credentials with the grassroots. One said it will be the biggest and most important test for MPs and how they are seen by their grassroots since MPs voted to legalise gay marriage in 2013.

 

This is just in relation to the Tories though...

[Window Cleaner]

More from Christopher Hope at 11:48 AM today:

 

 

Talk in the restaurants of Westminster are now turning to tomorrow's vote on exiting without a deal in the wake of the Geoffrey Cox pronouncement. One source tells me ministers are falling over themselves to say that they will back a no deal in tomorrow's expected vote if as expected it is whipped as a free vote. Ministers who want to get on in the party are seeing it as a chance for them to burnish their Brexit credentials with the grassroots. One said it will be the biggest and most important test for MPs and how they are seen by their grassroots since MPs voted to legalise gay marriage in 2013.

 

Jingoistic tub thumping.

 

This is how it will go:

 

This evenings vote will reject the deal on offer.

Tomorrow's will vote against a no-deal Brexit.

After that there will be a short delay voted which will bring about absolutely nothing.

Then there will be another referendum which will go the way of Remain or a General Election.

In either case the result will be the same and Brexit Leave voters will have been shafted by Northern Ireland.

[Saint86]

More from Christopher Hope at 11:48 AM today:

 

 

Talk in the restaurants of Westminster are now turning to tomorrow's vote on exiting without a deal in the wake of the Geoffrey Cox pronouncement. One source tells me ministers are falling over themselves to say that they will back a no deal in tomorrow's expected vote if as expected it is whipped as a free vote. Ministers who want to get on in the party are seeing it as a chance for them to burnish their Brexit credentials with the grassroots. One said it will be the biggest and most important test for MPs and how they are seen by their grassroots since MPs voted to legalise gay marriage in 2013.

 

I don't believe a word of it. MPs actually stand up for what their constituents wanted? And backing a no deal Brexit without whips backing it? Can't be true.

 

The only way we get a deal (end) soon is if the Labour mp's ignore jezza and back may's worthless peice of paper. The day Parliament shows a back bone on Brexit is the day I'll eat my hat.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

My poison as I've already made clear, is to leave on WTO terms. It is by no means definitely the case that amendments passed in Parliament to take no deal off the table or to extend Article 50 have force in law against the Article 50 Bill which states that we leave the EU on 29th March, deal or no deal.

 

Read this article again, particularly the political repercussions for the two main parties of reneging on their manifesto promises that they would honour the referendum decision.

 

https://brexitcentral.com/deal-no-deal-heres-brexit-cannot-stopped/

 

If we don't leave on 29th March, I am quite ambivalent about an extension, as it is not clear that one will be granted, but if it is, it is likely to be a long one, meaning that the Tories and Labour will be decimated in the local elections and the European Elections, as well as having to face growing anger and civil unrest in the Country. I believe that the grey suits of the Party will demand that May falls on her sword and that she is then replaced by somebody who actually is a Leaver, not a Remoaner like her.

 

The "Leave" vote also didn't have force in law...

 

It won't matter if May is replaced by a Leaver, the vote that takes away "No deal" will mean that unless there is a single customs union, or a massive jump forwards technologically, Brexit will not be possible.

[Guided Missile]

Ding-dong the witch is dead...

[shurlock]

This is just in relation to the Tories though...

 

And by some estimates, 40 ministers have previously threatened to resign if they couldn't vote against no deal. Now's their chance. Christopher Hope, another DT lackey, is simply telling chumps like Jihadi John what they want to hear.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

And by some estimates, 40 ministers have previously threatened to resign if they couldn't vote against no deal. Now's their chance. Christopher Hope, another DT lackey, is simply telling chumps like Jihadi John what they want to hear.

 

Imagine that - 40 ministers out, loss of any sort of majority, Corbyn into power, second referendum, stay.

[shurlock]

Imagine that - 40 ministers out, loss of any sort of majority, Corbyn into power, second referendum, stay.

 

Watch it, you'll get Les worked up again

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Watch it, you'll get Les worked up again

 

[Wes Tender]

Imagine that - 40 ministers out, loss of any sort of majority, Corbyn into power, second referendum, stay.

 

You're Shurlock's poodle, aren't you? Either that or his ventriloquism dummy.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

You're Shurlock's poodle, aren't you? Either that or his ventriloquism dummy.

 

If you knew mine and Shurlock's history on this forum, you wouldn't be saying this...

[Wes Tender]

So you're sucking up to him in order to ingratiate yourself to him?

[Unbelievable Jeff]

So you're sucking up to him in order to ingratiate yourself to him?

 

Lol, yeah, that's it. Its going pretty well TBH.

 

Are you gonna answer my earlier question by the way? Or are you just unable to?

[Window Cleaner]

Well as expected the deal will be voted down his evening. Myself I don't really see the difference in being "trapped" in the EU by the Irish Backstop or being trapped in the EU for want of a majority to leave in the Commons because that's what it's going to come down to in the end. So 3 years and god knows how much money wasted on nothing whatsoever.

 

In the words of Hotel California, you can check out any time you want but you can never leave.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Well as expected the deal will be voted down his evening. Myself I don't really see the difference in being "trapped" in the EU by the Irish Backstop or being trapped in the EU for want of a majority to leave in the Commons because that's what it's going to come down to in the end. So 3 years and god knows how much money wasted on nothing whatsoever.

 

In the words of Hotel California, you can check out any time you want but you can never leave.

 

I guess when the GFA was agreed, there was no thought to how it could affect our relationship with the EU going forward.

 

As I have said numerous times on this very thread, Northern Ireland makes Brexit, outside of a customs union, virtually impossible to implement.

Edited 12 March, 2019 by Unbelievable Jeff

[Window Cleaner]

I guess when the GFA was agreed, there was no thought to how it could affect our relationship with the EU going forward.

 

As I have said numerous times on this very thread, Northern Ireland makes Brexit outside of a customs union virtually impossible to implement.

 

Agreed but the hard Brexiteers just don't seem to be able to grasp this off the bat. I have no idea what they're expecting to happen from tomorrow onwards. There are about what 80-90 of them and they need 325 or so for a majority in the Commons.

Brexit just won't happen, which kind of suits me although I'm pretty hacked off about all the money I've lost due to the fall in Sterling.

Edited 12 March, 2019 by Window Cleaner