Brexit - Post Match Reaction

[Whitey Grandad]

Of course it would probably have been a bigger majority had the Government not spent £9 million of taxpayers' money posting Remain propaganda to every household, or not allowed an extra 48 hours for people to register to vote, because the poor darlings couldn't be bothered to register until an hour before the deadline and crashed the site. The unfortunate murder of Jo Cox a few days before polling day didn't help either. What could we be talking of here altogether? Another 3 or 4% on to the leave vote?

 

And yes, I'll take the one and a quarter million majority figure rather than your "only one city", citing second largest city Birmingham, rather than comparing it to the combined populations of several other notable but smaller cities. If unemployment rose by one and a quarter million as a result of Brexit, would you call that a significant increase, or dismiss it glibly as merely the same number living in one city like Birmingham?

 

But as others say, it is all a bit futile arguing about it now that it is a done deal.

 

Yes indeed, there are far too many 'what ifs' in there somewhere yet this vote will be analysed and dissected for decades to come. Politicians will not want to be caught on the wrong foot again.

[moonraker]

Of course it would probably have been a bigger majority had the Government not spent £9 million of taxpayers' money posting Remain propaganda to every household, or not allowed an extra 48 hours for people to register to vote, because the poor darlings couldn't be bothered to register until an hour before the deadline and crashed the site. The unfortunate murder of Jo Cox a few days before polling day didn't help either. What could we be talking of here altogether? Another 3 or 4% on to the leave vote?

 

And yes, I'll take the one and a quarter million majority figure rather than your "only one city", citing second largest city Birmingham, rather than comparing it to the combined populations of several other notable but smaller cities. If unemployment rose by one and a quarter million as a result of Brexit, would you call that a significant increase, or dismiss it glibly as merely the same number living in one city like Birmingham?

 

But as others say, it is all a bit futile arguing about it now that it is a done deal.

 

As Whitey says many what ifs, it may have been different without the lies from both sides, but siting the Jo Cox murder is beyond contempt. As for complaining about allowing more time to register, are you advocating denying people their democratic right? For me it is the lies and spin that calls into question the credibility of the poll. You are obviously happy to have won even when it was such a blatantly dishonest campaign. You seem to arguing that leave would have had a bigger majority if those things you mention had not occurred. If you truly believe that then another referendum should provide a ringing endorsement for Brexit not the marginal and divisive outcome we currently have, so why not have another vote, now the spin and lies has been exposed ?

Comparing unemployment with a referendum result is just apples and pears.

[Wes Tender]

As Whitey says many what ifs, it may have been different without the lies from both sides, but siting the Jo Cox murder is beyond contempt. As for complaining about allowing more time to register, are you advocating denying people their democratic right? For me it is the lies and spin that calls into question the credibility of the poll. You are obviously happy to have won even when it was such a blatantly dishonest campaign. You seem to arguing that leave would have had a bigger majority if those things you mention had not occurred. If you truly believe that then another referendum should provide a ringing endorsement for Brexit not the marginal and divisive outcome we currently have, so why not have another vote, now the spin and lies has been exposed ?

Comparing unemployment with a referendum result is just apples and pears.

 

Calm down, dear and grow up. Citing the Jo Cox murder is indeed beyond contempt when there were attempts to connect it to the Brexit campaign. Was it a factor in helping the Remain campaign? Of course it was.

 

Daily Telegraph: The surge for Remain comes in the wake of the murder of Labour MP Jo Cox on Thursday last week.

 

Market Watch: By contrast, the Remainers — who seemed to be losing ground in the opinion polls until a few days ago — were suffering from the perception that they were too fixed on dry economic statistics, too dispassionate, too bloodless.

Now all that has changed.

 

Last Thursday’s murder of Jo Cox, a 41-year-old English member of parliament and mother of two of exemplary internationalist (as well as pro-European) credentials, who was shot and stabbed in her constituency of Yorkshire, northern England, has dramatically altered the balance of forces at a crucial moment ahead of the June 23 poll.

 

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/16/jo-coxs-tragic-death-may-halt-pro-brexit-momentum-analysts-say.html

 

The Independent: So why then do some commentators, such as Polly Toynbee, persist in suggesting that the “corrosive” atmosphere in debate engendered by the Brexit campaign has uniquely and viciously led to the murder of Jo Cox, such that “one can register shock at what has happened but not complete surprise”?

 

I am amused that you try to defend the inability of people to register for a vote within a long timespan mostly through sheer laziness as somehow equating to denying people their democratic rights.

 

I am sure that you would love there to be another referendum vote, as would the EU now that we have voted to leave, but it isn't going to happen, so accept it and move on.

Edited 24 August, 2016 by Wes Tender

[aintforever]

As Whitey says many what ifs, it may have been different without the lies from both sides, but siting the Jo Cox murder is beyond contempt. As for complaining about allowing more time to register, are you advocating denying people their democratic right? For me it is the lies and spin that calls into question the credibility of the poll. You are obviously happy to have won even when it was such a blatantly dishonest campaign. You seem to arguing that leave would have had a bigger majority if those things you mention had not occurred. If you truly believe that then another referendum should provide a ringing endorsement for Brexit not the marginal and divisive outcome we currently have, so why not have another vote, now the spin and lies has been exposed ?

Comparing unemployment with a referendum result is just apples and pears.

 

Since when has honesty ever been part of any political campaign?

 

Moaning about dishonesty is just sour grapes, the people have made a clear decision. The problem wit the remain campaign was that, like every major party, they tried to pretend that the negative effects of mass immigration didn't exist. Or they just dismissed them as not important. It can't be surprising that the people who are effected said **** you.

[Whitey Grandad]

I am amused that you try to defend the inability of people to register for a vote within a long timespan mostly through sheer laziness as somehow equating to denying people their democratic rights.

 

I covered this point earlier in the thread. It is a lot more complicated for a mobile youngster to register than it is for some old git who has lived at the same address for years.

[Wes Tender]

I covered this point earlier in the thread. It is a lot more complicated for a mobile youngster to register than it is for some old git who has lived at the same address for years.

 

So complicated that it took months for some of them, many only being able to manage it an hour or so before the deadline expired.

[Whitey Grandad]

So complicated that it took months for some of them, many only being able to manage it an hour or so before the deadline expired.

 

More complicated than you might think. Whatever, there was a significant change to the registration system and many will have wrongly assumed that they were already on the register. How many people actually knew that the syetem had changed?

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/conservative-changes-to-voter-registration-leave-800000-off-election-rolls-a6845796.html

http://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/voter-registration

 

As for online registration:

 

A Cabinet Office spokesperson said: "Individual electoral registration is an essential measure to tackle electoral fraud. We have worked hard with local authorities for years now to clean up the register – any entries removed will be people who have moved house, died or never existed because they were registered fraudulently. Students often move house every year and this can make it hard for councils to keep accurate registers. That’s why, with Government’s help, councils are working with universities on ways of ensuring the highest possible level of student registration. We fully support the aims of the National Voter Registration Drive this week. Students, like everyone, can now apply to register online in just a few minutes and at any time, day or night."

[OldNick]

Personally as a remain voter, Im delighted that things have not goen really bad as yet. I assume when we push the exit button it will become a nervous period again

[moonraker]

Seems nasty Nigel is showing his true colours over the pond, speaking at a US Republican rally. I thought he was against foreign nationals interfering in domestc politics. Shameless self publicist.

[Batman]

Seems nasty Nigel is showing his true colours over the pond, speaking at a US Republican rally. I thought he was against foreign nationals interfering in domestc politics. Shameless self publicist.

 

But different compared to a head of state and/the nations political leader telling another nation how to vote and not doing so will mean certain consequence (that probably won't happen)

 

But you know that

[moonraker]

But different compared to a head of state and/the nations political leader telling another nation how to vote and not doing so will mean certain consequence (that probably won't happen)

 

But you know that

 

Agree it is a bit different, still see it as hypocritcal.

[Lord Duckhunter]

He specifically said " after complaining about Obama interference , I'm not going to tell you how to vote " . Went on to say "BUT , if I was an American citizen I wouldn't vote for Clinton if you paid me , in fact I wouldn't even vote for Clinton if she paid me ".

[moonraker]

He specifically said " after complaining about Obama interference , I'm not going to tell you how to vote " . Went on to say "BUT , if I was an American citizen I wouldn't vote for Clinton if you paid me , in fact I wouldn't even vote for Clinton if she paid me ".

 

Oh that's fine then! The man is shameless.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Individual politicians have always campaigned , advised and got involved in other countries elections.Presidents , PM's and leaders stay out of them

Edited 25 August, 2016 by Lord Duckhunter

[scotty]

Individual politicians have always campaigned , advised and got involved in other countries elections.Presidents , PM's and leaders stay out of them

 

Didn't Obama comment on the brexit referendum before it took place? I realise that's not quite the same as an election, but it's pretty close.

[Johnny Bognor]

US-EU trade deal

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ttip-trade-deal-agreement-failed-brexit-latest-news-eu-us-germany-vice-chancellor-a7213876.html

 

So with this deal now dead and buried, does this mean that the queue with the US has now got considerably shorter?

[Whitey Grandad]

US-EU trade deal

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ttip-trade-deal-agreement-failed-brexit-latest-news-eu-us-germany-vice-chancellor-a7213876.html

 

So with this deal now dead and buried, does this mean that the queue with the US has now got considerably shorter?

 

Sayig that iy's 'dead and buried' is going a bit far. And if the EU with its 500 million people and enormous purchasing power can't get something agreed then what chance do we have? Oh hang on - I forgot that we have Gove and Davis, they should sort the yanks out.

[hutch]

It's not just the German Economy minisyer saying that it's over, the French Trade minister is saying the same. But I'm with you Whitey, you've been right about everything so far.

[Whitey Grandad]

It's not just the German Economy minisyer saying that it's over, the French Trade minister is saying the same. But I'm with you Whitey, you've been right about everything so far.

 

 

Thanks. Now I'm worried.

[Johnny Bognor]

Sayig that iy's 'dead and buried' is going a bit far. And if the EU with its 500 million people and enormous purchasing power can't get something agreed then what chance do we have? Oh hang on - I forgot that we have Gove and Davis, they should sort the yanks out.

 

Whilst they have 27 members who all need to agree. It's no surprise that the EU can't efficiently and effectively negotiate trade deals with any of the world's top 10 economies.

That is in fact the biggest worry with Brexit. Not our negotiating skills (which are limited and what remainers bang on about) but the complete uselessness and ineffectiveness of the EU to negotiate anything with anyone and then getting all 27 to agree.

[buctootim]

US-EU trade deal

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ttip-trade-deal-agreement-failed-brexit-latest-news-eu-us-germany-vice-chancellor-a7213876.html

 

So with this deal now dead and buried, does this mean that the queue with the US has now got considerably shorter?

 

It does. Im sure the current Government will be willing to sign up to the TTIP. Multinationals first, second and always.

[CB Fry]

It does. Im sure the current Government will be willing to sign up to the TTIP. Multinationals first, second and always.

I believe that is known as sovereignty or something.

[Guided Missile]

Pound jumps as UK manufacturing activity rebounds.

 

 

The value of the pound has jumped after a survey indicated the UK's manufacturing sector rebounded sharply in August. The Markit/CIPS purchasing managers' index (PMI) for the sector rose to 53.3 in August from July's figure of 48.3. A figure above 50 indicates expansion.

 

Read all about it here.

[Wes Tender]

Also good news from the Cabinet meeting at Chequers, that we will not be accepting any tailor made Norway or Switzerland style off the shelf arrangement with the EU which would tie us into the free movement of people and the continuance of some financial contribution into their coffers.

 

This now allows the EU plenty of time before the triggering of article 50 in the New Year to concentrate their minds towards consideration of how much they value their trade with us and what measures they will take to maintain it, and how they will go about replacing the sizeable membership fee that they will no longer be receiving from us. I suspect that the Euro pen-pushers will be reduced to fish and chip dinners and a beer, instead of their customary Lobster Thermidor washed down with a bottle of Krug.

[buctootim]

Also good news from the Cabinet meeting at Chequers, that we will not be accepting any tailor made Norway or Switzerland style off the shelf arrangement with the EU which would tie us into the free movement of people and the continuance of some financial contribution into their coffers.

 

This now allows the EU plenty of time before the triggering of article 50 in the New Year to concentrate their minds towards consideration of how much they value their trade with us and what measures they will take to maintain it, and how they will go about replacing the sizeable membership fee that they will no longer be receiving from us. I suspect that the Euro pen-pushers will be reduced to fish and chip dinners and a beer, instead of their customary Lobster Thermidor washed down with a bottle of Krug.

 

You really do believe whatever guff the Express serve up to you. Its remarkable, like discovering a new tribe untouched by the outside world. Who said there was nothing left to discover in anthropology.

[Whitey Grandad]

Also good news from the Cabinet meeting at Chequers, that we will not be accepting any tailor made Norway or Switzerland style off the shelf arrangement with the EU which would tie us into the free movement of people and the continuance of some financial contribution into their coffers.

 

This now allows the EU plenty of time before the triggering of article 50 in the New Year to concentrate their minds towards consideration of how much they value their trade with us and what measures they will take to maintain it, and how they will go about replacing the sizeable membership fee that they will no longer be receiving from us. I suspect that the Euro pen-pushers will be reduced to fish and chip dinners and a beer, instead of their customary Lobster Thermidor washed down with a bottle of Krug.

 

Such unbelievable arrogance.

 

They'll just stick on a lot of tariffs and raise some money that way.

[scotty]

Such unbelievable arrogance.

 

They'll just stick on a lot of tariffs and raise some money that way.

 

What would stop us from sticking on tariffs here? We buy more from eu countries than we sell to them.

[Whitey Grandad]

What would stop us from sticking on tariffs here? We buy more from eu countries than we sell to them.

 

We could, depending on what sort of agreement we eventually achieve, if ever. That would be a very bad thing though since raising trade barriers is always counter-productive for both sides. This is why the Single Market has been so good for Britain, it enables businesses to specialise and concentrate on what they're good at and operate freely in a market which is ten times bigger than their domestic one.

[Wes Tender]

You really do believe whatever guff the Express serve up to you. Its remarkable, like discovering a new tribe untouched by the outside world. Who said there was nothing left to discover in anthropology.

 

I read about it in the Guardian actually, the purveyor of news to your own peculiar sub-species, homo-sapiens sinistro snidus.

 

I deliberately rattled your cage and expected the typical knee-jerk reaction from you, and you didn't disappoint. You were one of those who most stridently insisted that there really was no alternative for us but remain inside the single market and continue paying through the nose and accept free movement of peoples for the privilege, so it can't be pleasant to be facing the possibility that you might well be proven wrong, and that we will not after all have to end up with a Norway or Switzerland type deal.

[buctootim]

I suspect that the Euro pen-pushers will be reduced to fish and chip dinners and a beer, instead of their customary Lobster Thermidor washed down with a bottle of Krug.

 

I read about it in the Guardian actually,

 

I was referring to the self generated context which colours your reading. Facts get a little twisted in your maze of cerebral dead ends. The EC is tiny in comparison with national Governments - around 30,000 staff compared with the the British Government's 5,300,000. Lunch with EC commissioners is a lot more sparse than with UK ministers too.

Edited 2 September, 2016 by buctootim

[Wes Tender]

Really? Some how I doubt the Guardian wrote that. Facts get a little twisted in your maze of cerebral dead ends. The EC is tiny in comparison with national Governments - around 30,000 staff compared with the the British Government's 5,300,000. Lunch with EC commissioners is a lot more sparse than with UK ministers too.

 

Considering how bright you believe yourself to be, you seem to be having some difficulty in distinguishing between the part of my post that commented on the events of the Cabinet meeting at Chequers, (reported in the Guardian and other media sources), and the remark I made about the EU gravy train bureaucrats having to tighten their belts when we leave and take our annual membership contribution back. I'll give you a clue; the personal tongue in cheek comment was the bit that began " I suspect."

[Wes Tender]

I was referring to the self generated context which colours your reading. Facts get a little twisted in your maze of cerebral dead ends. The EC is tiny in comparison with national Governments - around 30,000 staff compared with the the British Government's 5,300,000. Lunch with EC commissioners is a lot more sparse than with UK ministers too.

 

Nice bit of editing in an attempt to wriggle off the hook. Good thing that I quoted your original post, eh?

[Whitey Grandad]

I read about it in the Guardian actually, the purveyor of news to your own peculiar sub-species, homo-sapiens sinistro snidus.

 

I deliberately rattled your cage and expected the typical knee-jerk reaction from you, and you didn't disappoint. You were one of those who most stridently insisted that there really was no alternative for us but remain inside the single market and continue paying through the nose and accept free movement of peoples for the privilege, so it can't be pleasant to be facing the possibility that you might well be proven wrong, and that we will not after all have to end up with a Norway or Switzerland type deal.

 

Isn't that trolling and therefore not appropriate on here?

[scotty]

We could, depending on what sort of agreement we eventually achieve, if ever. That would be a very bad thing though since raising trade barriers is always counter-productive for both sides. This is why the Single Market has been so good for Britain, it enables businesses to specialise and concentrate on what they're good at and operate freely in a market which is ten times bigger than their domestic one.

 

I agree, but the EU countries must be aware that we are worth more to them than they are to us. Tariffs aren't in anyones interests, but the EU would be losing more by imposing them on us than we would by imposing similar tariffs on them. In any case, I suspect that the project is likely to unravel over the next few years anyway, certainly once the first eurozone member leaves the single currency which has been doomed from the start.

[buctootim]

I agree, but the EU countries must be aware that we are worth more to them than they are to us

 

You're treating the 27 countries as if they are one big lump with one common interest. They aren't. Germany has a huge interest in maintaining free access to the UK market because they have very large exports but its in a minority of one. The 26 other countries largely don't - France for example would love to see tariffs on Nissans, Hondas and Toyotas to give protection to domestic producers. Poland, Romania, Czech Republic, Baltic States etc are more interested in protecting the rights of their citizens and free movement of labour than their comparatively small export trade.

[badgerx16]

Pound jumps as UK manufacturing activity rebounds.

 

 

The value of the pound has jumped after a survey indicated the UK's manufacturing sector rebounded sharply in August. The Markit/CIPS purchasing managers' index (PMI) for the sector rose to 53.3 in August from July's figure of 48.3. A figure above 50 indicates expansion.

 

Read all about it here.

 

 

"Since the Brexit vote, the pound has fallen in value by more than 10% against both the US dollar and the euro.

 

Following the release of the latest PMI survey, the pound jumped by 1%, more than a cent, against the dollar, to $1.33 before falling back slightly. Against the euro, the pound was 0.6% higher at just under €1.19."

 

Over 9% still to go then.

[Whitey Grandad]

"Since the Brexit vote, the pound has fallen in value by more than 10% against both the US dollar and the euro.

 

Following the release of the latest PMI survey, the pound jumped by 1%, more than a cent, against the dollar, to $1.33 before falling back slightly. Against the euro, the pound was 0.6% higher at just under €1.19."

 

Over 9% still to go then.

 

Worth remembering that the $ is particularly weak at the moment.

[scotty]

You're treating the 27 countries as if they are one big lump with one common interest. They aren't. Germany has a huge interest in maintaining free access to the UK market because they have very large exports but its in a minority of one. The 26 other countries largely don't - France for example would love to see tariffs on Nissans, Hondas and Toyotas to give protection to domestic producers. Poland, Romania, Czech Republic, Baltic States etc are more interested in protecting the rights of their citizens and free movement of labour than their comparatively small export trade.

 

 

Germany aren't in a minority of one. Since the economic crisis and the emergency loans they bailed out other eurozone countries, Greece, spain, Portugal and Ireland will go along with whatever the Germans tell them to. The "bailout" money has put them so far in hock to the Germans that they'll have very little say. I've said all along that the eurozone was a recipe for disaster, and personally I don't believe that the fear of immigration into the UK was the main reason the electorate voted to leave the EU. A lot was made in the press about it, but I think it was massively overplayed as an issue in voters decisions.

[Whitey Grandad]

Germany aren't in a minority of one. Since the economic crisis and the emergency loans they bailed out other eurozone countries, Greece, spain, Portugal and Ireland will go along with whatever the Germans tell them to. The "bailout" money has put them so far in hock to the Germans that they'll have very little say. I've said all along that the eurozone was a recipe for disaster, and personally I don't believe that the fear of immigration into the UK was the main reason the electorate voted to leave the EU. A lot was made in the press about it, but I think it was massively overplayed as an issue in voters decisions.

 

Nobody really seems to know why we voted out. Every opinion seems to be a different opinion.

[Johnny Bognor]

We could, depending on what sort of agreement we eventually achieve, if ever. That would be a very bad thing though since raising trade barriers is always counter-productive for both sides. This is why the Single Market has been so good for Britain, it enables businesses to specialise and concentrate on what they're good at and operate freely in a market which is ten times bigger than their domestic one.

It wouldn't be a bad thing if the EU raised them first.... Unless you want to bend over and take it up the proverbial.

 

If they raise them, we raise them.

 

As you said, raising them is bad for business. Therefore if the EU raise them, then it's clearly out of spite and they couldn't expect us not to raise them in return.

 

As it happens, the current devaluation of the pound more than offsets any WTO tarrifs... our goods would still be cheaper than they were pre referendum.

 

Meanwhile, with the devaluation which makes their goods 10% more expensive before the tarrifs are applied, means that it would hurt them more.

 

Assuming 10% tarrifs both ways, our goods more or less cost the same as 2 months ago (with the devaluation), whilst theirs would be 20% more expensive. It is really not in their interests...

 

 

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[van Hanegem]

Also good news from the Cabinet meeting at Chequers, that we will not be accepting any tailor made Norway or Switzerland style off the shelf arrangement with the EU which would tie us into the free movement of people and the continuance of some financial contribution into their coffers.

 

This now allows the EU plenty of time before the triggering of article 50 in the New Year to concentrate their minds towards consideration of how much they value their trade with us and what measures they will take to maintain it, and how they will go about replacing the sizeable membership fee that they will no longer be receiving from us. I suspect that the Euro pen-pushers will be reduced to fish and chip dinners and a beer, instead of their customary Lobster Thermidor washed down with a bottle of Krug.

 

Brexit will mean that the other countries will have to cover the loss of the British contribution, according to journalists the Dutch will have to pay an extra 750 million euro's. Of course the Dutch government says this is not going to happen and that Brussels has to cut costs and of course the Eastern and South European countries object to cutting costs as they will get less money. It's not difficult to foresee the outcome so thanks guys for raising my taxes in the nearby future...

 

Speaking of taxes: the EU ordered Apple to pay 13 billion euro's to Ireland for paying far too less taxes. The EU wants to end these taxdeals from it's member states with multinationals so the UK could step in order to get more jobs.

[badgerx16]

Teresa May is now ruling out a points based immigration system. How many supported Brexit on the basis that such a system was being promised / proposed ?

[ecuk268]

Teresa May is now ruling out a points based immigration system. How many supported Brexit on the basis that such a system was being promised / proposed ?

 

She also refused to rule out contributing funds to EU programmes after Brexit, despite the money paid to Brussels being another major issue in the referendum debate.

 

Also would not guarantee to meet the Vote Leave pledges of £100 million a week for the NHS or a cut in VAT on energy bills.

 

Apparently, Nigel Farage is "very angry".

[moonraker]

She also refused to rule out contributing funds to EU programmes after Brexit, despite the money paid to Brussels being another major issue in the referendum debate.

 

Also would not guarantee to meet the Vote Leave pledges of £100 million a week for the NHS or a cut in VAT on energy bills.

 

Apparently, Nigel Farage is "very angry".

 

Nigel farage angry, why Brexit means Brexit, what else it means is anyones guess, it certianly wont mean what many leave voters belived when they cast their vote.

[Wes Tender]

Nigel farage angry, why Brexit means Brexit, what else it means is anyones guess, it certianly wont mean what many leave voters belived when they cast their vote.

 

Brexit just meant simply a British exit from the EU. I don't recall there being anything on any ballot papers defining the minutiae of the details of what the subsequent proposals would be regarding trade, immigration, sovereignty etc., any more than there was anything concrete proposed regarding our future relationship with the EU had we voted to Remain.

[aintforever]

Meanwhile the service sector follows manufacturing and continues to grow after the Brexit vote...

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37274279

[moonraker]

Brexit just meant simply a British exit from the EU. I don't recall there being anything on any ballot papers defining the minutiae of the details of what the subsequent proposals would be regarding trade, immigration, sovereignty etc., any more than there was anything concrete proposed regarding our future relationship with the EU had we voted to Remain.

 

My point exactly, however it is not simple, leave voters have been espousing a range of policies that will not have come to pass when we eventually leave the EU. So my question to leave voters is, what are your red lines, because what appears to be happening is that many of the perceived benefits of Brexit and the policies to achieve them are disappearing, or at best being heavily diluted, one by one. So what exactly will we have achieved at the end of this divisive and unnecessary process?

[Wes Tender]

My point exactly, however it is not simple, leave voters have been espousing a range of policies that will not have come to pass when we eventually leave the EU. So my question to leave voters is, what are your red lines, because what appears to be happening is that many of the perceived benefits of Brexit and the policies to achieve them are disappearing, or at best being heavily diluted, one by one. So what exactly will we have achieved at the end of this divisive and unnecessary process?

 

Look, you might label it a divisive and unnecessary process, but a majority of the electorate who voted in the referendum to leave the EU, would with good reason accuse you of expressing the typical arrogance of the Remain camp by attempting to belittle their decision in this way.

 

What will we have achieved at the end of the Brexit process? You will just have to be patient and wait and see. You're quite a bit like those posters on the football side of the forum who are forecasting doom and gloom following the results of just three matches in the new season.

 

Had you bothered to look past the headline that May doesn't want a points based system, her criticism is based on her fears that anybody who tots up the appropriate points total could come here with or without a job being available for them. She wants greater control than that. She emphasises that Brexit will allow us to control immigration numbers from the EU, that there is no question of us signing an agreement with the EU that allows for immigration to be imposed on us by them. Also, she has castigated the Indian PM for not assisting adequately the repatriation of illegal Indian immigrants.

 

Sorry, but personally I don't see much to be that concerned about yet.

[Whitey Grandad]

Nigel farage angry, why Brexit means Brexit, what else it means is anyones guess, it certianly wont mean what many leave voters belived when they cast their vote.

 

What does it have to do with him? He is not elected and has no more democratic mandate to speak for anybody than I do. That doesn't stop the BBC dragging him in at every opportunity.

 

Breakfast means Breakfast

[moonraker]

Look, you might label it a divisive and unnecessary process, but a majority of the electorate who voted in the referendum to leave the EU, would with good reason accuse you of expressing the typical arrogance of the Remain camp by attempting to belittle their decision in this way.

 

What will we have achieved at the end of the Brexit process? You will just have to be patient and wait and see. You're quite a bit like those posters on the football side of the forum who are forecasting doom and gloom following the results of just three matches in the new season.

 

Had you bothered to look past the headline that May doesn't want a points based system, her criticism is based on her fears that anybody who tots up the appropriate points total could come here with or without a job being available for them. She wants greater control than that. She emphasises that Brexit will allow us to control immigration numbers from the EU, that there is no question of us signing an agreement with the EU that allows for immigration to be imposed on us by them. Also, she has castigated the Indian PM for not assisting adequately the repatriation of illegal Indian immigrants.

 

Sorry, but personally I don't see much to be that concerned about yet.

 

So why didn’t your clever Brexit leaders identify that glaring fault in their dastardly plans when they propsoed it as soloution to the problem? It seems you voted for somthing you for which have absoloutly no idea of the outcome, i rest my case where brexit is concerned. You constant judgment of those who debate with you and have a different view as arrogant brings pots and black kettles to mind.