Brexit - Post Match Reaction

[Unbelievable Jeff]

You really don't have the first idea do you? But as you don't know where the line is, it is pointless in anybody trying to educate you now, if you have come this far in your life without knowing where the boundaries of common decency lie.

 

I have never said that I dislike Jews, in fact I have said that I was an admirer of them in many ways. I have then said that I was not a great admirer of the Arabs. I don't hate them, but there are things about their culture that I don't agree with, such as the way that many of them treat their women as second class citizens for example. Do you approve of that? Silly question really, judging by your views on the wives of posters on here, you probably do.

 

Sorry, it must have been your posting of known anti-semites that led me to believe you didn't like Jews. Apologies though, you just agree with what they write.

 

The Arab thing is a bit weird - this stereotyping of Arabs, who "...I am not a great admirer of..." seems a bit racist to me. In fact, I would say it's the pure definition of a racial stereotype. But ho-hum. I don't think many people in the Western World are fans of people (note I said "people" and not just "Arabs") who treat women as second class citizens, but it is far, FAR from just an Arab problem.

 

It may be worth you reading this, chum:

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/04/the-real-roots-of-sexism-in-the-middle-east-its-not-islam-race-or-hate/256362/

 

What I find oddest though, is that you are obviously very offended by what I said, yet it was you who decided to bring it all back up? No idea why you'd do that if you found it so hurtful.

Edited 6 February, 2019 by Unbelievable Jeff

[shurlock]

Okay let's correct the blatant falsehoods and omissions in this. While you have since patronised Jews with the verdict that you 'like' them, you have posted and doubled down on the the classic Jew-hating claim that 'A Jew' (Rothschild) is responsible for a New World Order that, in your conspiratorially diseased mind, has some kind of overarching control of the planet. So again: do you withdraw your endorsement of the anti-Semitic fantasy of a Jewish NWO? Without a withdrawal, your claim to 'like' Jews is a self-parodic nonsense.

 

You did not say that you 'were not a great admirer' of Arabs. You said you "disliked' them. You have been challenged since to say which Arabs you 'dislike', because they are an immensely varied group of people - to such an extent that disliking 'the Arabs' has meaning only in the straightforwardly racist dismissal and denigration of them. So again: WHICH Arabs do you 'dislike'? I can give you the list again if you've forgotten or (more likely) are completely clueless.

 

You have since widened your groups to dislike by taking umbrage at the sheer gall of a brown man to talk about white men's business - ie Brexit. You blew a gasket by making spectacularly ignorant claims about the Indian independence, not realising that the catastrophic 'just get on with it' timetable of partition destroyed millions of lives.

 

What's evident in your posts is that your Jew/Arab/brown-people racism is spreading like fungal rot. Who's next?

 

"I was an admirer of them in many ways" - some good old orientalising there.

[Wes Tender]

Sorry, it must have been your posting of known anti-semites that led me to believe you didn't like Jews. Apologies though, you just agree with what they write.

 

The Arab thing is a bit weird - this stereotyping of Arabs, who "...I am not a great admirer of..." seems a bit racist to me. In fact, I would say it's the pure definition of a racial stereotype. But ho-hum. I don't think many people in the Western World are fans of people (note I said "people" and not just "Arabs") who treat women as second class citizens, but it is far, FAR from just an Arab problem.

 

It may be worth you reading this, chum:

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/04/the-real-roots-of-sexism-in-the-middle-east-its-not-islam-race-or-hate/256362/

 

What I find oddest though, is that you are obviously very offended by what I said, yet it was you who decided to bring it all back up? No idea why you'd do that if you found it so hurtful.

 

I made the mistake of posting somebody's views on Brexit that I agreed with, not knowing that he was an anti-semite. Of course, it could be that some of you EU luvvies post views of some Labour bloke, not realising that they are anti-semites.

 

You continue to have your distorted view of what constitutes racism. It doesn't bother me, as I have no respect for your opinions, especially as you are prepared to go deep into the gutter in insulting others, and not even know where the boundaries of common decency lie.

[Wes Tender]

"I was an admirer of them in many ways" - some good old orientalising there.

 

Thanks, pal

[Unbelievable Jeff]

I made the mistake of posting somebody's views on Brexit that I agreed with, not knowing that he was an anti-semite. Of course, it could be that some of you EU luvvies post views of some Labour bloke, not realising that they are anti-semites.

 

You continue to have your distorted view of what constitutes racism. It doesn't bother me, as I have no respect for your opinions, especially as you are prepared to go deep into the gutter in insulting others, and not even know where the boundaries of common decency lie.

 

I think the problem here is you don't understand what racism is.

 

Be good for you to find where I've posted something by a known anti-semite and then we can discuss that.

[aintforever]

I think the problem here is you don't understand what racism is.

 

Be good for you to find where I've posted something by a known anti-semite and then we can discuss that.

 

Oh give it a rest you ****, he’s not a racist. His use of language was clearly just to wind Verbal up, everyone knows if you mention ‘the Jews’ his head spins around and he starts thumping his keyboard like a maniac.

 

The more you bang on about it the more of a fool you look. I can’t remember reading anything genuinely racist on this site.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Oh give it a rest you ****, he’s not a racist. His use of language was clearly just to wind Verbal up, everyone knows if you mention ‘the Jews’ his head spins around and he starts thumping his keyboard like a maniac.

 

The more you bang on about it the more of a fool you look. I can’t remember reading anything genuinely racist on this site.

 

Oh good, we have another enabler...

[RedArmy]

Okay let's correct the blatant falsehoods and omissions in this. While you have since patronised Jews with the verdict that you 'like' them, you have posted and doubled down on the the classic Jew-hating claim that 'A Jew' (Rothschild) is responsible for a New World Order that, in your conspiratorially diseased mind, has some kind of overarching control of the planet. So again: do you withdraw your endorsement of the anti-Semitic fantasy of a Jewish NWO? Without a withdrawal, your claim to 'like' Jews is a self-parodic nonsense.

 

You did not say that you 'were not a great admirer' of Arabs. You said you "disliked' them. You have been challenged since to say which Arabs you 'dislike', because they are an immensely varied group of people - to such an extent that disliking 'the Arabs' has meaning only in the straightforwardly racist dismissal and denigration of them. So again: WHICH Arabs do you 'dislike'? I can give you the list again if you've forgotten or (more likely) are completely clueless.

 

You have since widened your groups to dislike by taking umbrage at the sheer gall of a brown man to talk about white men's business - ie Brexit. You blew a gasket by making spectacularly ignorant claims about the Indian independence, not realising that the catastrophic 'just get on with it' timetable of partition destroyed millions of lives.

 

What's evident in your posts is that your Jew/Arab/brown-people racism is spreading like fungal rot. Who's next?

You managed to make a post without using the word jihadist. Have they changed your meds? Maybe stick with these ones for a while they seem to be working.

[aintforever]

Oh good, we have another enabler...

 

Enabler - what are you on about? I’m just fed up with all this racism nonsense being banded about just because people voted differently to you - it’s just bullsh!t.

 

The vast majority of EU immigration is the same race anyway, skin colour has nothing to do with anything. If some people voted purely to get rid of foreigners (of course there were some) then they were being xenophobic.

[Wes Tender]

 

Wizard Jape!

[Batman]

I think we are witnessing an online break-down with Jeff.

 

If you can keep your head when all about you

Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,

If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,

But make allowance for their doubting too;

If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,

Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,

Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,

And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Enabler - what are you on about? I’m just fed up with all this racism nonsense being banded about just because people voted differently to you - it’s just bullsh!t.

 

The vast majority of EU immigration is the same race anyway, skin colour has nothing to do with anything. If some people voted purely to get rid of foreigners (of course there were some) then they were being xenophobic.

 

Absolutely I agree with that - I started out with racist/xenophobic, until Wes started with his dislike of Arabs.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

I think we are witnessing an online break-down with Jeff.

 

If you can keep your head when all about you

Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,

If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,

But make allowance for their doubting too;

If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,

Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,

Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,

And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

 

I don't know, I don't seem to be as shrill or angry as the people I'm arguing with at the moment?

[Batman]

I don't know, I don't seem to be as shrill or angry as the people I'm arguing with at the moment?

 

If you think all those around you are acting like dicks... then maybe you should look in the mirror... a wise man once said

[aintforever]

Absolutely I agree with that - I started out with racist/xenophobic, until Wes started with his dislike of Arabs.

 

No you labelled Brexit voters racist...

 

...until you met one who's gonna take you for a ride in a boat.

[shurlock]

 

Wizard Jape!

 

Les - that was desperately unfunny.

 

Have you got any pat condell updates (I quite liked him) or has operation yewtree got to him?

[Unbelievable Jeff]

No you labelled Brexit voters racist...

 

...until you met one who's gonna take you for a ride in a boat.

 

Until I met one who's admitted he was wrong - you seemed to misunderstand the point of the anecdote at the time and you still seem to now.

 

I think, nay, I know, that a lot of Brexiteer voters felt that getting control of our borders meant reducing the amount of "brown" people in the country. They're going to be gnashing when they find out it means completely the opposite.

 

The same as you said Wes phrased his Jew-hating in a way to wind up Verbal, I have phrased that "all Brexiteers are racist" in the same way. However, I do believe that a lot of voters voted that way due to racism/xenophobia.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

 

Wizard Jape!

 

My word, badly filmed, badly acted and badly written - the holy Trinity.

[Batman]

Until I met one who's admitted he was wrong - you seemed to misunderstand the point of the anecdote at the time and you still seem to now.

 

I think, nay, I know, that a lot of Brexiteer voters felt that getting control of our borders meant reducing the amount of "brown" people in the country. They're going to be gnashing when they find out it means completely the opposite.

 

The same as you said Wes phrased his Jew-hating in a way to wind up Verbal, I have phrased that "all Brexiteers are racist" in the same way. However, I do believe that a lot of voters voted that way due to racism/xenophobia.

 

[Wes Tender]

My word, badly filmed, badly acted and badly written - the holy Trinity.

 

Of course it was an amateur production. I accept that the Brussels Broadcasting Corporation do it much better with all our dosh.

 

It's got some of you lot down to a tee, especially Shurlock and Verbal. Glad you liked it, Jeff.

[Plastic]

Have you got any pat condell updates (I quite liked him) or has operation yewtree got to him?

 

Yes let’s hear some more from Pat. Maybe some of his bowls club chums also.

[OldNick]

Until I met one who's admitted he was wrong - you seemed to misunderstand the point of the anecdote at the time and you still seem to now.

 

I think, nay, I know, that a lot of Brexiteer voters felt that getting control of our borders meant reducing the amount of "brown" people in the country. They're going to be gnashing when they find out it means completely the opposite.

 

The same as you said Wes phrased his Jew-hating in a way to wind up Verbal, I have phrased that "all Brexiteers are racist" in the same way. However, I do believe that a lot of voters voted that way due to racism/xenophobia.

He still voted to go out and is exactly the same as affecting the lives of your life and childrens future, the same as GM and Wes, but the thought of going on his boat soon stopped you accusing his wife of blowing the gardener. Hypocrite springs to mind. Im sure it was a lovely Rotary Ball having a 3 hour conversation about the rights and wrongs of Brexit he must have had a cracking evening

[whelk]

This is becoming a sh1t thread even by Saintweb standards.

[Wes Tender]

Yes let’s hear some more from Pat. Maybe some of his bowls club chums also.

 

 

I think this is the latest one, but here's another one that I post especially for Shurlock and Verbal, as I know that they will thank me if they hadn't come across it before.

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

Well said Dan Hodges

 

“Watching senior Remainers siding with Tusk, I’m genuinely starting to wonder why Brexiteers don’t start campaigning for a 2nd referendum themselves. They’d have a gay old time, and end up smashing it 70-30 or 80-20. Remainers literally don’t have a clue”.

 

 

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[Unbelievable Jeff]

He still voted to go out and is exactly the same as affecting the lives of your life and childrens future, the same as GM and Wes, but the thought of going on his boat soon stopped you accusing his wife of blowing the gardener. Hypocrite springs to mind. Im sure it was a lovely Rotary Ball having a 3 hour conversation about the rights and wrongs of Brexit he must have had a cracking evening

 

But as I've said earlier in this thread, if they apologised and said they were wrong/duped, then I'd be fine with that? So how's that make me a hypocrite?

[hypochondriac]

Well said Dan Hodges

 

“Watching senior Remainers siding with Tusk, I’m genuinely starting to wonder why Brexiteers don’t start campaigning for a 2nd referendum themselves. They’d have a gay old time, and end up smashing it 70-30 or 80-20. Remainers literally don’t have a clue”.

 

 

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I know which side I've seen display the most amount of bigotry and intolerance.

[John B]

Well said Dan Hodges

 

“Watching senior Remainers siding with Tusk, I’m genuinely starting to wonder why Brexiteers don’t start campaigning for a 2nd referendum themselves. They’d have a gay old time, and end up smashing it 70-30 or 80-20. Remainers literally don’t have a clue”.

 

 

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So what Plan did you support when you voted to Leave

 

I had no idea what the country would look like after Brexit as there were no details available so I voted Remain

 

I still have no idea what Brexiters like you want.

 

I understand May's Plan but don't understand what you think is wrong with it as it was agreed with the EU as the best available

[shurlock]

I know which side I've seen display the most amount of bigotry and intolerance.

 

Exactly.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-47131698

[Jonnyboy]

Exactly.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-47131698

 

Don't be silly, he just wants to take back control.

 

The sunny uplands of political murders a la Brevik.

[Jonnyboy]

Well said Dan Hodges

 

“Watching senior Remainers siding with Tusk, I’m genuinely starting to wonder why Brexiteers don’t start campaigning for a 2nd referendum themselves. They’d have a gay old time, and end up smashing it 70-30 or 80-20. Remainers literally don’t have a clue”.

 

 

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Bring it on then.

[Lord Duckhunter]

So what Plan did you support when you voted to Leave

 

I had no idea what the country would look like after Brexit as there were no details available so I voted Remain

 

I still have no idea what Brexiters like you want.

 

I understand May's Plan but don't understand what you think is wrong with it as it was agreed with the EU as the best available

 

How can you lump Leavers and their opinions all together. George Galloway has a different version of Leave than Nigel Fararge. It’s like me saying Remain are all over the place, which version of Remain do you want to follow, Ken Clarke’s or Diane Abbott’s.

 

I was happy with the version of Leave that the leaders of Remain told us would happen. Out of the Single Market and out of the Custom Union, but that’s just me.

 

One thing for certain is a Tory cabinet couldn’t implement a a Socialist agenda and a Remain one couldn’t do similar for a Remain one. May’s deal is the best that a Remainer could deliver, because they started from a position that Brexit was something that needed risk managing rather than embracing. As May said herself, “you can’t deliver Brexit, if you don’t believe in it”. If reports are to be believed (and I’ve seen nobody dispute them) a comprehensive free trade agreement was offered for Britain back in March, to me (and I suspect most Leavers) that’s a far far better deal than the one May signed up for. So it’s just not true that May’s was the only deal available or possible.

 

 

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[trousers]

 

I had no idea what the country would look like after Brexit as there were no details available so I voted Remain

 

 

# Devil's advocate klaxon #

 

Conversely, how do you know what the country would look like after 'Remain'? Say, in 5, 10 or 20 years time?

 

I would venture that none of us know what the country would look like in 5, 10 or 20 years time, whether we leave the EU or remain in the EU...

[Wes Tender]

How can you lump Leavers and their opinions all together. George Galloway has a different version of Leave than Nigel Fararge. It’s like me saying Remain are all over the place, which version of Remain do you want to follow, Ken Clarke’s or Diane Abbott’s.

 

I was happy with the version of Leave that the leaders of Remain told us would happen. Out of the Single Market and out of the Custom Union, but that’s just me.

 

One thing for certain is a Tory cabinet couldn’t implement a a Socialist agenda and a Remain one couldn’t do similar for a Remain one. May’s deal is the best that a Remainer could deliver, because they started from a position that Brexit was something that needed risk managing rather than embracing. As May said herself, “you can’t deliver Brexit, if you don’t believe in it”. If reports are to be believed (and I’ve seen nobody dispute them) a comprehensive free trade agreement was offered for Britain back in March, to me (and I suspect most Leavers) that’s a far far better deal than the one May signed up for. So it’s just not true that May’s was the only deal available or possible.

 

 

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I'm with you, leave the single market and the customs union, go for a FTA like Canada+++ and failing that, I'm perfectly content trading on WTO terms. May has been a disaster, but if her dithering, indecisiveness, Remainer lack of drive and incompetence somehow takes us to a position that we stumble past 11pm on 29th March without a deal, then I will forgive her. As you say, the Canada +++ deal was offered on more than one occasion by Tusk, it was what David Davis had spent all his time working on, until May's treacherous scheming with Robbins swept it aside for the awful Chequeurs deal. May having two Brexit Ministers resign, is testament to her deviousness.

[Wes Tender]

# Devil's advocate klaxon #

 

Conversely, how do you know what the country would look like after 'Remain'? Say, in 5, 10 or 20 years time?

 

I would venture that none of us know what the country would look like in 5, 10 or 20 years time, whether we leave the EU or remain in the EU...

 

#Devil's advocate klaxon 2#

 

Neither do we know what the EU would look like in 5, 10, or 20 years time, or indeed whether it will still exist as a Political Union any more.

[shurlock]

I'm with you, leave the single market and the customs union, go for a FTA like Canada+++ and failing that, I'm perfectly content trading on WTO terms. May has been a disaster, but if her dithering, indecisiveness, Remainer lack of drive and incompetence somehow takes us to a position that we stumble past 11pm on 29th March without a deal, then I will forgive her. As you say, the Canada +++ deal was offered on more than one occasion by Tusk, it was what David Davis had spent all his time working on, until May's treacherous scheming with Robbins swept it aside for the awful Chequeurs deal. May having two Brexit Ministers resign, is testament to her deviousness.

 

No Les. Tusk never offered us Canada +++ in the sense that it was legally on the table. This stage of negotiations was simply about the withdrawal agreement: the Irish border, the divorce bill and citizens rights. It was never intended to resolve the future trade relationship. What happens next -Chequers, Norway or your beloved Canada +++ is still up for grabs - hence the deliberate ambiguity and openendedness of the Political Declaration. It’s hard to take your childish belligerence seriously when you have such trouble with the basics.

[shurlock]

# Devil's advocate klaxon #

 

Conversely, how do you know what the country would look like after 'Remain'? Say, in 5, 10 or 20 years time?

 

I would venture that none of us know what the country would look like in 5, 10 or 20 years time, whether we leave the EU or remain in the EU...

 

An exquisite strawman. It goes without saying that nobody knows what the future looks like. However we know the extent of our rights and obligations as an EU member and the rules of the game that fix the scope of the EU’s activity and the processes for reaching collective decisions. All that considerably narrows the range of uncertainty. Thus, we would not be forced to join an EU army or participate in any of the swivels bête noires because of our veto etc while any new treaty or amendment of a treaty that attempted to rewrite the rules of the game would need to be approved by an Act of Parliament and the electorate in a referendum.

[trousers]

An exquisite strawman.

 

Given that was my aim, I'll take the compliment with open arms

[Wes Tender]

No Les. Tusk never offered us Canada +++ in the sense that it was legally on the table. This stage of negotiations was simply about the withdrawal agreement: the Irish border, the divorce bill and citizens rights. It was never intended to resolve the future trade relationship. What happens next -Chequers, Norway or your beloved Canada +++ is still up for grabs - hence the deliberate ambiguity and openendedness of the Political Declaration. It’s hard to take your childish belligerence seriously when you have such trouble with the basics.

 

Now, let me see. I can't for the life of me see where I suggested that a Canada +++ deal was legally on the table. I don't see anywhere where I suggested that the withdrawal agreement wouldn't be required either. Perhaps you will be kind enough to show me where I said either. It's hard to take your insufferable arrogance seriously when you you attack somebody's opinion for being what you want it to be, instead of what it is.

[shurlock]

Now, let me see. I can't for the life of me see where I suggested that a Canada +++ deal was legally on the table. I don't see anywhere where I suggested that the withdrawal agreement wouldn't be required either. Perhaps you will be kind enough to show me where I said either. It's hard to take your insufferable arrogance seriously when you you attack somebody's opinion for being what you want it to be, instead of what it is.

 

Canada+++ has not been ruled in or out. The only thing under discussion is the withdrawal agreement and they are more or less mutually exclusive, so not sure why you’re getting so upset.

[Wes Tender]

Thus, we would not be forced to join an EU army or participate in any of the swivels bête noires because of our veto etc while any new treaty or amendment of a treaty that attempted to rewrite the rules of the game would need to be approved by an Act of Parliament and the electorate in a referendum.

 

What, like the referenda that were held following the Treaties of Maastricht, Amsterdam, Nice and Lisbon? Those referenda?

[Wes Tender]

Canada+++ has not been ruled in or out. The only thing under discussion is the withdrawal agreement, so not sure why you’re getting so upset.

 

I am not upset. I have grown immune to your petty insults, even when they are hurled about for no reason, as in the example above.

[shurlock]

I am not upset. I have grown immune to your petty insults, even when they are hurled about for no reason, as in the example above.

 

Good then you’re wrong and will concede that there’s no scope to accept or offer Canada+++ -never mind imply it’s some kind of missed opportunity. Why you’re banging on about something that is irrelevant at this stage, only you will know

[shurlock]

What, like the referenda that were held following the Treaties of Maastricht, Amsterdam, Nice and Lisbon? Those referenda?

 

Clueless yet again. I guess you’re unaware of the European Act 2011. And that 2011 came after the aforementioned treaties. Not a good start to the day for you

[Wes Tender]

Good then you’re wrong and will concede that there’s no scope to accept or offer Canada+++ -never mind imply it’s some kind of missed opportunity. Why you’re banging on about something that is irrelevant at this stage, only you will know

 

Trying to fudge your way out of accepting that there are two ends of a stick and that you got the wrong one. Typical.

[egg]

Can someone please help me with a basic that I appear to have missed. As things stand we leave on 29 March on wto terms / no deal. The main issue with the May deal is the backstop / Irish border. I get all of that. I also get that the EU say that if there is no deal then there will have to be a hard Irish border, but that conflicts with the GFA. However, what I do not understand is what the ROI / EU will actually do if we go on 29 March with no deal. If we say, nah we aint imposing a border cos of the GFA, what then happens? Who imposes the likely ill fated border? Surely not the Irish who want a united Ireland.

[shurlock]

Trying to fudge your way out of accepting that there are two ends of a stick and that you got the wrong one. Typical.

 

The only one fudging is you pal - you’re drowning it. Then again it must be pretty embarrassing to not have a clue about the basic content, structure and sequence of the negotiations

[Wes Tender]

Clueless yet again. I guess you’re unaware of the European Act 2011. And that 2011 came after the aforementioned treaties. Not a good start to the day for you

 

So what? We held a referendum asking us whether we wished to stay in the Common Market after Heath had signed us in. There should have been referenda for each treaty that changed the basis of our membership from a simple trading agreement towards a federal political union. Other countries held referenda for such things, but our lords and masters thought that the British people shouldn't be allowed to have them. The European Act effectively says that we are happy to close the stable doors after the horse has bolted, that we have already allowed four treaties to alter the basis on which we joined, without putting them to the electorate in referenda, but now that they are out of the way, we promise to behave ourselves in future. Of course, it didn't need this Act in order that the government could have arranged referenda previously had they felt so inclined.

[Wes Tender]

The only one fudging is you pal - you’re drowning it. Then again it must be pretty embarrassing to not have a clue about the basic content, structure and sequence of the negotiations

 

Massage your ego all you like. I'm not embarrassed at all; this is your typical MO when you get it wrong. Despite your huffing and puffing obfuscation, I'm still waiting for you to show me where in that post I said that the Canada +++ deal was a legal entity on the table.

[OldNick]

Tusk and the other Belgians outbursts about Brexitters and hell is hardly the most diplomatic of language. Are cracks appearing or are they just showing what they really are. Iam sure they are as exasperated as Iam with the result but it hardly helps.

The deal is being held up by the Irish backstop, surely there must be a set of words/terms that can be conjured up to ease those concerns. Sadly the damage to Britain is basically done whether we go back in or flop out we will not be as strong as we were before the referendum.

I wonder if we go out with no deal and that is the will of the democratic decision whether my fellow remainers will just get on with things or will some go out on the streets and riot and cause damage etc??