Brexit - Post Match Reaction

[Batman]

Not without a porn license:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/749152/porn-pornography-ID-age-verification-porn-ban-PornHub-Brazzers/amp

 

Can only imagine ‘Project Fear’ will eat itself over the next 90 days or so.

[shurlock]

Very interesting article by a civil servant currently preparing for no deal:

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/12/28/course-no-deal-has-planned-does-government-want-think-otherwise/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

 

The piece is full of holes - hard to believe it’s written by an acting civil servant who are usually more tempered in their language and rarely single out political sides. Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s written by a spad.

 

Worth pointing out that it’s Brexiters who’ve primarily attacked the civil service ‘deep state’. In their twisted little universe, the civil service has done everything it can to frustrate Brexit -from cooking the numbers to stalling preparation for a no deal so as to weaken the UK’s negotiating hand.

 

I’ve no seen ‘remainers’ attack the civil service in nearly as vicious terms. Quite the opposite.

 

There is, however, an acknowledgment that WTO terms provide little continuity for the UK economy, so whatever precautions are taken will be inherently limited and that the effectiveness of the UK’s contingency planning depends to a large extent on others’ actions out of its control and this simple reality could make no deal very messy regardless of the civil service’s best efforts.

Edited 29 December, 2018 by shurlock

[Wes Tender]

Not sure what your point is Les. There are more or less orderly ways to leave the EU. Reverting to the WTO terms without a transitional deal; uncertainty around bilateral agreements that underpin even the most bareboned trading relationships and ad hoc, necessarily imperfect preparations are pretty much the definition of crashing out pal.

 

I can quite understand why the use of the phrase "crashing out" didn't register in your brain as being shrill and biased, Shurlock. But it seems that many others must have complained to the BBC about it, because when I listened to the Radio2 news later on, they simply referred to it as leaving without a deal.

[Wes Tender]

delete

[Wes Tender]

Or the ever balanced Mail and Express

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6448885/Most-voters-prefer-Theresa-Mays-Brexit-deal-crashing-EU-new-poll-suggests.html

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1059239/Brexit-news-what-happens-no-deal-Brexit-recession-austerity

 

It seems to have gone right over your and Shurlock's head that these are independent newspapers, whereas the BBC is our national broadcaster whose news items are supposed to be neutral.

[badgerx16]

It seems to have gone right over your and Shurlock's head that these are independent newspapers....

No they are not, they are the mouthpieces of their owners, and their political allies.

[Jonnyboy]

oh right.

will it taste different?

 

Hopefully not through P&O, although whatever method it'll probably be twice the price we're paying in the shops now.

[Lord Duckhunter]

It seems to have gone right over your and Shurlock's head that these are independent newspapers, whereas the BBC is our national broadcaster whose news items are supposed to be neutral.

 

And you don’t get put in gaol for not buying them.

 

 

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[shurlock]

And you don’t get put in gaol for not buying them.

 

 

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Good lad.

[Wes Tender]

No they are not, they are the mouthpieces of their owners, and their political allies.

 

Did I say that they weren't? I said independent, not impartial, which is what the BBC is supposed to be and isn't.

[Jonnyboy]

Did I say that they weren't? I said independent, not impartial, which is what the BBC is supposed to be and isn't.

 

I'd they had any respect for their own professions they would try their best to be as impartial as possible.

[shurlock]

Did I say that they weren't? I said independent, not impartial, which is what the BBC is supposed to be and isn't.

 

What do you think of John Humphrys Les? I know you were berating him for his disgusting anti-Brexit bias the other week but wonder if you still hold that view?

[badgerx16]

Did I say that they weren't? I said independent, not impartial, which is what the BBC is supposed to be and isn't.

If they are Tory mouthpieces, they are hardly independent.

[Guided Missile]

I would rather die at sea than go...to France

[saint si]

It seems to have gone right over your and Shurlock's head that these are independent newspapers, whereas the BBC is our national broadcaster whose news items are supposed to be neutral.

 

Not the point. If the pro-Brexit press is freely using the phrase that undermines your assertion that it implies a bias against Brexit.

[Cabbage_Face]

I would rather die at sea than go...to France

 

What’s wrong with France?

 

 

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[hypochondriac]

Not the point. If the pro-Brexit press is freely using the phrase that undermines your assertion that it implies a bias against Brexit.

Not that I want to get involved in this dispute but I'm not sure pro brexit is the best label to give the Mail since their change of editor. Its more pro Theresa May than anything else.

[badgerx16]

What’s wrong with France?

It's in the EU.

[Wes Tender]

Not the point. If the pro-Brexit press is freely using the phrase that undermines your assertion that it implies a bias against Brexit.

 

Exactly the point. What you idiots don't seem to acknowledge is the difference between articles written by journalists as opinion pieces in independent newspapers and news items in a supposedly politically neutral national media organ. But if you lot are not bright enough to recognise that difference, then more fool you. Anyway, as I already pointed out, when I heard the news later in the day, they had dropped the "crashing out" bias, probably because many others had picked it up and complained, as I did.

[Guided Missile]

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution

Take a bow for the new revolution

Smile and grin at the change all around

Pick up my guitar and play

Just like yesterday

Then I'll get on my knees and pray

We don't get fooled again

[Unbelievable Jeff]

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution

Take a bow for the new revolution

Smile and grin at the change all around

Pick up my guitar and play

Just like yesterday

Then I'll get on my knees and pray

We don't get fooled again

 

"Don't wanna be a Brexiteer Idiot."

[whelk]

Exactly the point. What you idiots don't seem to acknowledge is the difference between articles written by journalists as opinion pieces in independent newspapers and news items in a supposedly politically neutral national media organ. But if you lot are not bright enough to recognise that difference, then more fool you. Anyway, as I already pointed out, when I heard the news later in the day, they had dropped the "crashing out" bias, probably because many others had picked it up and complained, as I did.

 

Power to the people. Did you get many letters published on ‘Points of View’?

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Had a fun conversation over Christmas with some of the other half's Brexit voting family, complaining that they can't afford to go on holiday next year as the prices have increased over the last few years. Found it very amusing to point out the reasons for that, and that they only have themselves to blame.

[Tamesaint]

Had a fun conversation over Christmas with some of the other half's Brexit voting family, complaining that they can't afford to go on holiday next year as the prices have increased over the last few years. Found it very amusing to point out the reasons for that, and that they only have themselves to blame.

 

Why would they dare to want to go abroad ?

 

Don't they know that "They got their country back " ???

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Why would they dare to want to go abroad ?

 

Don't they know that "They got their country back " ???

 

I suggested Pontins - they were quite offended by that for some reason.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Had a fun conversation over Christmas with some of the other half's Brexit voting family, complaining that they can't afford to go on holiday next year as the prices have increased over the last few years. Found it very amusing to point out the reasons for that, and that they only have themselves to blame.

 

#didnthappen

 

 

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[Unbelievable Jeff]

#didnthappen

 

 

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It most definitely did - last night in fact.

[Wes Tender]

I suggested Pontins - they were quite offended by that for some reason.

 

You probably offend them quite a lot. It's your nature to be offensive.

[Plastic]

It most definitely did - last night in fact.

 

Of course it happened, can’t imagine you would keep your own council. Good will to no men and all that.

[hypochondriac]

Had a fun conversation over Christmas with some of the other half's Brexit voting family, complaining that they can't afford to go on holiday next year as the prices have increased over the last few years. Found it very amusing to point out the reasons for that, and that they only have themselves to blame.

If they didn't invite you back next year then you couldn't really blame them. I have had to deal with my fair share of ignorant, intolerant and insufferable relatives over the holiday period so I know how they feel. Let them know they have my sympathy.

[Trader]

Had a fun conversation over Christmas with some of the other half's Brexit voting family, complaining that they can't afford to go on holiday next year as the prices have increased over the last few years. Found it very amusing to point out the reasons for that, and that they only have themselves to blame.

 

It most definitely did - last night in fact.

 

Last night wasn’t “over Christmas”.

 

D’oh!

[badgerx16]

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution

Take a bow for the new revolution

Smile and grin at the change all around

Pick up my guitar and play

Just like yesterday

Then I'll get on my knees and pray

We don't get fooled again

And what is the last line ?

 

"Meet the new boss,

same as the old boss".

 

Pete Townshend said of the song "it screams defiance at those who feel any cause is better than no cause", and it's lyrics criticise both revolution and power.

Edited 30 December, 2018 by badgerx16

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Last night wasn’t “over Christmas”.

 

D’oh!

 

It's over the Christmas holidays..?

[Unbelievable Jeff]

You probably offend them quite a lot. It's your nature to be offensive.

 

We try not to see them TBH, they're racist xenophobes. Last nights quote was along the lines of "You should go to Krakow, it's really nice and the people are surprisingly nice - not like the filth you get over here."

 

It's why they got relegated to after Christmas.

[Trader]

It's over the Christmas holidays..?

 

Might be for you - loads of people have work to do between Xmas Day and New Year.

 

Try telling them they’re on holiday.

[CB Fry]

Might be for you - loads of people have work to do between Xmas Day and New Year.

 

Try telling them they’re on holiday.

Loads of people are on holiday this time of year. Try telling them they're not on holiday.

[Verbal]

So here's something else for Jihadist f u cknuts to kvetch about. The Guardian has spoken to sectoral experts and come up with an overall picture of the huge amount of damage that will be done by crashing out of the EU with no deal.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/30/food-prices-to-finance-what-a-no-deal-brexit-could-mean-for-britain

 

This is far from a complete list. The impact on universities, scientific and technological research and climate change are absent, for example - as are the impacts on cultural activities (remember that the culture industries in the UK are the second largest sector behind finance).

 

Even so, it's going to be a real memory-lane experience for the majority of Brexiters who remember post-war rationing. And it's a lovely illustration of how EU states are cherry-picking some of the best bits of our economy, as British firms move large lumps of their operations across the border.

 

What's not to like?

[whelk]

Loads of people are on holiday this time of year. Try telling them they're not on holiday.

 

I’m on holiday and would welcome someone telling me I am on holiday

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Might be for you - loads of people have work to do between Xmas Day and New Year.

 

Try telling them they’re on holiday.

 

So what? It was my definition of "over Christmas" as it was me who said it. I wasn't working, so what I said is clearly correct.

[badgerx16]

So here's something else for Jihadist f u cknuts to kvetch about. The Guardian has spoken to sectoral experts and come up with an overall picture of the huge amount of damage that will be done by crashing out of the EU with no deal.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/30/food-prices-to-finance-what-a-no-deal-brexit-could-mean-for-britain

 

This is far from a complete list. The impact on universities, scientific and technological research and climate change are absent, for example - as are the impacts on cultural activities (remember that the culture industries in the UK are the second largest sector behind finance).

 

Even so, it's going to be a real memory-lane experience for the majority of Brexiters who remember post-war rationing. And it's a lovely illustration of how EU states are cherry-picking some of the best bits of our economy, as British firms move large lumps of their operations across the border.

 

What's not to like?

More Project Fear fairy tales from a biased source. ( Did I get that right Wes ? ).

[Verbal]

More Project Fear fairy tales from a biased source. ( Did I get that right Wes ? ).

 

No doubt. The whining is beyond predictable now. If it's not having a full-on snowflake freak-out about the entirely justifiable phrase 'crashing out', then it's what counts or does not count as Christmas. Christ, the Brexit cultists are weird.

 

But I think remoaners should own Project Fear. In the fairly normal course of my work I do a lot of project fear, aka risk assessments. It's what you do to try to avoid the worst outcome. And it's why the predictions about risk often don't come to fruition - because your awareness of them has shown ways of mitigating the worst effects.

 

Brexit cultists, however, do the opposite of what's rational. They refuse even to look at projections of bad outcomes. They sneer at experts. The consequences are that bad outcomes aren't mitigated, and the Brexit cultists are digging their own - and others' graves even deeper than would be necessary if they only just, for once, listened.

 

It's why, objectively, they are so execrable.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

No doubt. The whining is beyond predictable now. If it's not having a full-on snowflake freak-out about the entirely justifiable phrase 'crashing out', then it's what counts or does not count as Christmas. Christ, the Brexit cultists are weird.

 

But I think remoaners should own Project Fear. In the fairly normal course of my work I do a lot of project fear, aka risk assessments. It's what you do to try to avoid the worst outcome. And it's why the predictions about risk often don't come to fruition - because your awareness of them has shown ways of mitigating the worst effects.

 

Brexit cultists, however, do the opposite of what's rational. They refuse even to look at projections of bad outcomes. They sneer at experts. The consequences are that bad outcomes aren't mitigated, and the Brexit cultists are digging their own - and others' graves even deeper than would be necessary if they only just, for once, listened.

 

It's why, objectively, they are so execrable.

 

As we all know with risk, it's the planning and mitigation of that risk that defines the outcome.

 

At the moment it seems like there is very little in the way of either.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

Had a fun conversation over Christmas with some of the other half's Brexit voting family, complaining that they can't afford to go on holiday next year as the prices have increased over the last few years. Found it very amusing to point out the reasons for that, and that they only have themselves to blame.

 

Why don't you get your fun and amusement at Christmas watching Morecambe and Wise and being nice at Christmas like everyone else.

[aintforever]

Might be for you - loads of people have work to do between Xmas Day and New Year.

 

Try telling them they’re on holiday.

 

Maybe Jeff was having dinner with a bunch of MPs? they seem to think it’s a good time to have a few weeks off.

[Wes Tender]

More Project Fear fairy tales from a biased source. ( Did I get that right Wes ? ).

 

Spot on, Badger. Bring it all on, I just can't wait.

[whelk]

No-deal Brexit ferry contract sparks concerns http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46714984

 

Anyone else losing faith that the people in charge? Don’t seem to have the faintest idea what they are doing.

[hypochondriac]

Why don't you get your fun and amusement at Christmas watching Morecambe and Wise and being nice at Christmas like everyone else.

I think we all know why.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Why don't you get your fun and amusement at Christmas watching Morecambe and Wise and being nice at Christmas like everyone else.

 

I am nice to most people, as most people I know voted remain. I reserve my nastiness to this that most deserve it, the low life scum that voted to make my children worse off in life. Those are the people that I will reserve my ire for, and for whom I wish nothing more than pestilence, grief and poverty.

 

Or something along those lines.

[badgerx16]

Anyone else losing faith that the people in charge don’t seem to have the faintest idea what they are doing.

LOSING faith ? It's been a cast iron certainty that those in charge haven't had a scooby, since Cameron tabled the proposal for the referendum in the first place.

[badgerx16]

Spot on, Badger. Bring it all on, I just can't wait.