Brexit - Post Match Reaction

[Verbal]

So who’s fu cked up Brexit – Brexiteers or Remainers? You decide.

 

“There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside.”

David Davis, October 2016

 

“Getting out of the EU can be easy and quick – the UK holds most of the cards.”

John Redwood, July 2016

 

“The free trade agreement that we will have to do with the EU should be the easiest in human history.”

Liam Fox, July 2017

 

“We’re not really interested in a transition deal, but we’ll consider one to be kind to the EU.”

David Davis, November 2016

 

“I believe that we can get a free trade and customs agreement concluded by March 2019.”

David Davis, January 2017

 

Indeed, a trade deal would take significantly less than two years. We hold all the cards. We will offer them a deal in response to their pleas for help.”

Patrick Minford, June 2016

 

“I am not worried about transitional arrangements. I am prepared to take the economic hit to secure the economic benefits of not being inside the Single Market and being outside the Customs Union. I simply want a quickie divorce.”

Michael Gove, November 2016

 

“We are going to get a deal which is of huge value and possibly greater value.”

Boris Johnson, November 2016

 

“Within two years, before the negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete, we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU. The new trade agreements will come into force at the point of exit, but will be fully negotiated.”

David Davis, July 2016.

 

“Trade relations with the EU could be sorted out in an afternoon over a cup of tea.”

Gerard Batten, February 2017

 

“Within minutes of a vote for Brexit, CEOs would be knocking down Chancellor Merkel’s door demanding access to the British market.”

David Davis, February 2016

 

The cost of getting out would be virtually nil and the cost of staying in would be very high.”

Boris Johnson, March 2016

 

“I think we could very easily get a better trade deal than we have at the moment.”

Douglas Carswell, June 2016

 

“All David Davis needs to say is: listen guys free trade or WTO?”

Tim Martin, January 2017

 

“It will be easy to negotiate a trade deal. It’s in the EU’s interests.”

Paul Nutall, January 2017

 

And the final piece de resistance:

 

“If we need to leave with no deal and negotiate a free trade agreement during the transition period, so be it.”

David Davis, last week.

 

That would be during the transition period that would no longer exist because there would be no deal.

 

Decided who the real screw ups are yet?

[scotty]

So who’s fu cked up Brexit – Brexiteers or Remainers? You decide.

 

“There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside.”

David Davis, October 2016

 

“Getting out of the EU can be easy and quick – the UK holds most of the cards.”

John Redwood, July 2016

 

“The free trade agreement that we will have to do with the EU should be the easiest in human history.”

Liam Fox, July 2017

 

“We’re not really interested in a transition deal, but we’ll consider one to be kind to the EU.”

David Davis, November 2016

 

“I believe that we can get a free trade and customs agreement concluded by March 2019.”

David Davis, January 2017

 

Indeed, a trade deal would take significantly less than two years. We hold all the cards. We will offer them a deal in response to their pleas for help.”

Patrick Minford, June 2016

 

“I am not worried about transitional arrangements. I am prepared to take the economic hit to secure the economic benefits of not being inside the Single Market and being outside the Customs Union. I simply want a quickie divorce.”

Michael Gove, November 2016

 

“We are going to get a deal which is of huge value and possibly greater value.”

Boris Johnson, November 2016

 

“Within two years, before the negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete, we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU. The new trade agreements will come into force at the point of exit, but will be fully negotiated.”

David Davis, July 2016.

 

“Trade relations with the EU could be sorted out in an afternoon over a cup of tea.”

Gerard Batten, February 2017

 

“Within minutes of a vote for Brexit, CEOs would be knocking down Chancellor Merkel’s door demanding access to the British market.”

David Davis, February 2016

 

The cost of getting out would be virtually nil and the cost of staying in would be very high.”

Boris Johnson, March 2016

 

“I think we could very easily get a better trade deal than we have at the moment.”

Douglas Carswell, June 2016

 

“All David Davis needs to say is: listen guys free trade or WTO?”

Tim Martin, January 2017

 

“It will be easy to negotiate a trade deal. It’s in the EU’s interests.”

Paul Nutall, January 2017

 

And the final piece de resistance:

 

“If we need to leave with no deal and negotiate a free trade agreement during the transition period, so be it.”

David Davis, last week.

 

That would be during the transition period that would no longer exist because there would be no deal.

 

Decided who the real screw ups are yet?

 

From your point of view, the "real screw ups" are presumably those who failed so abjectly to persuade a majority of British voters that continuing along the EU path was in our best interests.

[buctootim]

I’m more concerned with foie gras than halal. However, there’s more chance of going to the moon in a shoe box than that getting banned in the EU. Remainiacs don’t seem to have the same objection to that as they do chlorinated chicken and other American food production.

 

Foie gras production is disgusting, but at least its marked and you can easily avoid it. The issue with American food is that we are talking of mass production of foods we buy everyday - chicken, pork, beef, wheat, corn, soya not some niche product 90% of people have never even tried. I'm not a health food fanatic by any means but I draw the line at chicken that needs to be washed because its full of salmonella, beef and pork raised with antibiotics and growth hormone and GM cereals

Edited 23 November, 2018 by buctootim

[badgerx16]

From your point of view, the "real screw ups" are presumably those who failed so abjectly to persuade a majority of British voters that continuing along the EU path was in our best interests.

I think describing Cameron and Osborne as 'screw-ups' is fair.

[Weston Super Saint]

Foie gras production is disgusting, but at least its marked and you can easily avoid it. The issue with American food is that we are talking of mass production of foods we buy everyday - chicken, pork, beef, wheat, corn, soya not some niche product 90% of people have never even tried. I'm not a health food fanatic by any means but I draw the line at chicken that needs to be washed because its full of salmonella, beef and pork raised with antibiotics and growth hormone and GM cereals

 

That's a lot of line drawing then - oh and it's campylobacter that is more prevalent in chickens than salmonella (even American ones!).

 

I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere so I'm assuming there are NO plans to scrap the Red Tractor packaging post Brexit, which would make it pretty easy to spot the difference between British and American meat

[Sheaf Saint]

That's a lot of line drawing then - oh and it's campylobacter that is more prevalent in chickens than salmonella (even American ones!).

 

I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere so I'm assuming there are NO plans to scrap the Red Tractor packaging post Brexit, which would make it pretty easy to spot the difference between British and American meat

 

That's as maybe, but I would wager that the majority of working class folk doing their weekly shopping in Asda don't give a toss if their chicken legs or pork chops have a red tractor on them or not, and their decision on what meat to buy is based solely on price.

 

It's all very well telling people they can still choose to buy British meat if they so wish, but it doesn't take a genius to work out what effect flooding the market with cheaper imported products will have on UK producers. Sooner or later they are going to start demanding that our welfare standards are relaxed in line with US legislation so they can remain competitive, or they will simply go out of business, leaving us with no choice but to buy the sh*t stuff from America.

[Batman]

That's as maybe, but I would wager that the majority of working class folk doing their weekly shopping in Asda don't give a toss if their chicken legs or pork chops have a red tractor on them or not, and their decision on what meat to buy is based solely on price.

 

It's all very well telling people they can still choose to buy British meat if they so wish, but it doesn't take a genius to work out what effect flooding the market with cheaper imported products will have on UK producers. Sooner or later they are going to start demanding that our welfare standards are relaxed in line with US legislation so they can remain competitive, or they will simply go out of business, leaving us with no choice but to buy the sh*t stuff from America.

 

Are the standards in other non Eu countries equal to ours? If not, is or has there been a demand for us to change to match them?

[badgerx16]

Are the standards in other non Eu countries equal to ours? If not, is or has there been a demand for us to change to match them?

 

Imports to the EU must meet EU standards.

https://ec.europa.eu/food/safety/international_affairs/trade/poultry_en

 

The objection to chlorine washing is that animal welfare and abbatoir hygeine standards in the US are lower than in the EU, which actually helps reduce production costs for the meat,. However, this is also seen as generating a greater risk of food contamination due to 'dirty' work practices, and the application of the chlorine dioxide 'wash' is not deemed to be a sufficiently effective remediation.

Edited 23 November, 2018 by badgerx16

[shurlock]

Are the standards in other non Eu countries equal to ours? If not, is or has there been a demand for us to change to match them?

 

In fact many firms in non-EU countries voluntarily change their standards to meet those in the EU -in part because the EU market is so large and in part because they know that if they meet the EU’s higher standards, they’ll likely be compatible elsewhere which saves them the time and cost of conforming to multiple standards. Again it begs the question why the UK is giving up its seat at the top table in determining what often become global standards.

 

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/2c55/404a1e09859c289644c517020aecd7fe48e4.pdf

[buctootim]

That's a lot of line drawing then - oh and it's campylobacter that is more prevalent in chickens than salmonella (even American ones!).

 

I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere so I'm assuming there are NO plans to scrap the Red Tractor packaging post Brexit, which would make it pretty easy to spot the difference between British and American meat

 

Salmonella infection is more serious. In any event you know that makes it worse right? Salmonella is generally caused by poor husbandry practices - low standards in the factory farms in breeding and raising flocks. Campylobacter is a product of poor slaughtering and processing standards - its basically shi* getting onto the meat. Awesome, garbage from egg to table. Try finding a red tractor on takeaway and restaurant food, ready meals or processed items like burgers or nuggets.

[whelk]

Nothing to see here obviously.

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-hands-tory-brexiteer-john-13633572

[Lord Duckhunter]

Nothing to see here obviously.

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-hands-tory-brexiteer-john-13633572

 

Corrupt Remainer attempts to bribe MP.

 

 

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[scotty]

I think describing Cameron and Osborne as 'screw-ups' is fair.

 

So what? He was whinging about leave versus remain, and listed a string of quotes from the leave camp. Cameron campaigned vigorously to remain, and I can't remember what osborne did other than decamp to the standard.

[whelk]

Corrupt Remainer attempts to bribe MP.

 

 

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Or one side showing pragmatism, the other betraying their principles?

[Batman]

Salmonella infection is more serious. In any event you know that makes it worse right? Salmonella is generally caused by poor husbandry practices - low standards in the factory farms in breeding and raising flocks. Campylobacter is a product of poor slaughtering and processing standards - its basically shi* getting onto the meat. Awesome, garbage from egg to table. Try finding a red tractor on takeaway and restaurant food, ready meals or processed items like burgers or nuggets.

 

Are you suggesting my local Chinese or kebab house uses the finest meat within the Eu?

[Plastic]

Are you suggesting my local Chinese or kebab house uses the finest meat within the Eu?

 

Exactly, what is the point in trying to increase meat quality when Batman is quite happy to eat the arseholes and eyeballs. He doesn’t give a shît if they are submerged in bleach or formaldehyde, so neither should you.

[shurlock]

Are you suggesting my local Chinese or kebab house uses the finest meat within the Eu?

 

What meat do you use when you’re at sea?

[Wes Tender]

I’m a card carrying Tory member, not a “kipper”.

 

 

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I'm also a card carrying Tory member, not a kipper. Not that I'm too bothered about Shurlock both getting that wrong, and then using his puerile name-calling to label us both incorrectly. I feel quite sorry for him really, having to resort to this level of childish pettiness to get his jollies.

[shurlock]

I'm also a card carrying Tory member, not a kipper. Not that I'm too bothered about Shurlock both getting that wrong, and then using his puerile name-calling to label us both incorrectly. I feel quite sorry for him really, having to resort to this level of childish pettiness to get his jollies.

 

You’ve voted for them right Les?

 

As for LD, didn’t he strategically and opportunistically join to the Conservative party, like many kippers did, in the hope of being able to vote in a leadership contest and install a true brexiteer headbanger at the helm. Right now, all he’s done is flush his money down the toilet

[Wes Tender]

You’ve voted for them right Les?

 

As for LD, didn’t he strategically and opportunistically join to the Conservative party, like many kippers did, in the hope of being able to vote in a leadership contest and install a true brexiteer headbanger at the helm. Right now, all he’s done is flush his money down the toilet

 

I have never voted for UKIP in a General Election. I've voted Conservative in every GE and local election since I was 19, so I must really be an ardent UKIPper, mustn't I, sonny?

[Lord Duckhunter]

And so it begins. Fishing first.

 

Macron has said France will only accept 'non-discrimination' (ie equal access); 'level playing field' (ie regulatory alignment) and a future deal based on current CFP. If they don’t get that they’ll veto any future deal and the backstop will kick in. That’s the backstop that May claims nobody wants, and is “bad” for the EU. With 27 countries able to veto any future deal, nobody in their right mind can endorse this backstop. Only a remainer could have a negotiation which it’s impossible to walk away from. The Remain PM, Remain Govt and Remain civil service have royally ****ed us. Our only hope is Tory Leavers rebelling & secret leaver Corbyn whipping his party to vote against.

 

 

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[buctootim]

And so it begins. Fishing first.

 

Macron has said France will only accept 'non-discrimination' (ie equal access); 'level playing field' (ie regulatory alignment) and a future deal based on current CFP. If they don’t get that they’ll veto any future deal and the backstop will kick in. That’s the backstop that May claims nobody wants, and is “bad” for the EU. With 27 countries able to veto any future deal, nobody in their right mind can endorse this backstop. Only a remainer could have a negotiation which it’s impossible to walk away from. The Remain PM, Remain Govt and Remain civil service have royally ****ed us. Our only hope is Tory Leavers rebelling & secret leaver Corbyn whipping his party to vote against.

 

Welcome to the real world of trade negotiations. The world where your potential trade partners actually want you to make concessions and wont simply give you everything you want with nothing in return as part of "the easiest trade deal in history". Thats going to be the reality of every single negotiation if Britain leaves, from Australia to Zambia they are going to be demanding preferential access to immigration, technology, investment and anything else of value.

 

Thats why its so ****ing stupid to be leaving - dumping an arrangement which gives us direct access to 27 countries plus another 28 trade deals negotiated by the strong bloc of 28 as opposed to starting from scratch as nation of one.

[LGTL]

Welcome to the real world of trade negotiations. The world where your potential trade partners actually want you to make concessions and wont simply give you everything you want with nothing in return as part of "the easiest trade deal in history". Thats going to be the reality of every single negotiation if Britain leaves, from Australia to Zambia they are going to be demanding preferential access to immigration, technology, investment and anything else of value.

 

Thats why its so ****ing stupid to be leaving - dumping an arrangement which gives us direct access to 27 countries plus another 28 trade deals negotiated by the strong bloc of 28 as opposed to starting from scratch as nation of one.

 

It never ceases to amaze me that so many people who voted to leave thought the EU would just roll over and have us tickle their bellies.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Welcome to the real world of trade negotiations. The world where your potential trade partners actually want you to make concessions and wont simply give you everything you want with nothing in return as part of "the easiest trade deal in history". Thats going to be the reality of every single negotiation if Britain leaves, from Australia to Zambia they are going to be demanding preferential access to immigration, technology, investment and anything else of value.

 

 

What a load of pony.

 

In the “real world “ countries don’t agree a “back stop” in case there’s “no deal”. You really think a trade deal with Australia will involve us going into a backstop that we can’t get out of, of course it ****ing won’t. No other country in the world would, but that’s the deal remainer May got us. Pathetic. If that’s the real world and you’re so clever, name another trade deal that involves that.

 

It should have been the easiest trade deal in history, but remain pm, Remain cabinet, Remain Parliament, Remain lords and Remain civil service ****ed up. If I vote for socialism, I want corbyn to deliver it, not the Tories delivering what they think socialism is. My party has made the **** up of all **** ups by putting a remainer in charge. Michael Gove & May have surpassed Grocer Heath and Jonny Major as the worst Tory traitors in history.

 

 

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[aintforever]

It never ceases to amaze me that so many people who voted to leave thought the EU would just roll over and have us tickle their bellies.

 

I expect most people who voted leave didn’t give a sh!te about trade deals let alone understand the complexities involved.

[Lord Duckhunter]

It never ceases to amaze me that so many people who voted to leave thought the EU would just roll over and have us tickle their bellies.

 

It never ceases to amaze me that so many people who voted Remain don’t quite understand deal making. To get a decent deal, the other side need to think you’ll walk away. To box that option off is self defeating beyond belief, to then compound it by agreeing a default position that suits the other side, is probably the worst negotiating strategy in history. I don’t think anyone really believed Remainers would just roll over and let the EU tickle their bellies, but they did. Just goes to show, for all their smug arrogance, they’re really pretty dopey.

 

 

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[buctootim]

It never ceases to amaze me that so many people who voted Remain don’t quite understand deal making. To get a decent deal, the other side need to think you’ll walk away. To box that option off is self defeating beyond belief, to then compound it by agreeing a default position that suits the other side, is probably the worst negotiating strategy in history. I don’t think anyone really believed Remainers would just roll over and let the EU tickle their bellies, but they did. Just goes to show, for all their smug arrogance, they’re really pretty dopey.

 

Ha! You've totally missed the point - as leavers tend to. Dopey centraal. The fatal flaw in your argument is that no-one ever believed the UK would walk away because the costs of doing so are too high and benefits too small. Sure May has handled it badly, but whoever was negotiating wouldn't have got a significantly better deal,

 

Have you seriously never wondered why countries bother to spend so much time and effort trying to get trade deals instead of relying on WTO rules? Here's a clue. Its because WTO terms aren't all that great. Nowhere near as good as most trade agreements and certainly not a patch on a single market and customs union. May knows it, the EU knows it, Brexiteers think its all a plot.

 

You used to argue that leaving was worth the economic damage because the gains of sovereignty outweighed them. Thats a flawed but tenable argument. Bleating now about the other 27 not caving in when the UK put a gun to its own head is beyond risible. Blaming the people who have been telling you for 2.5 years that is exactly what would happen is whole space cadet level above.

Edited 25 November, 2018 by buctootim

[badgerx16]

.... Michael Gove & May have surpassed Grocer Heath and Jonny Major as the worst Tory traitors in history.

GM might have a solution for you.

[buctootim]

What a load of pony.

 

In the “real world “ countries don’t agree a “back stop” in case there’s “no deal”. You really think a trade deal with Australia will involve us going into a backstop that we can’t get out of, of course it ****ing won’t. No other country in the world would, but that’s the deal remainer May got us. Pathetic. If that’s the real world and you’re so clever, name another trade deal that involves that.

 

Afaik Australia wasnt a party to Anglo-Irish treaty or the Good Friday Agreement. The reason for the backstop is that Britain has legally binding pre-existing agreements with Ireland on freedom of movement and trade. The EU is simply backing Ireland in making sure the UK continues to honour those if it leaves the EU. Bespoke provisions were also made for the Channel Islands, military bases on Cyprus and Gibraltar

[Lord Duckhunter]

 

You used to argue that leaving was worth the economic damage because the gains of sovereignty outweighed them. Thats a flawed but tenable argument. Bleating now about the other 27 not caving in when the UK put a gun to its own head is beyond risible. Blaming the people who have been telling you for 2.5 years that is exactly what would happen is whole space cadet level above.

 

 

What a load of old pony.

 

I still believe, like Americans do, like Canadians do, like Australians do, that our sovereignty shouldn’t be sold for economic gain. It’s not ours to hand over, it’s not politicians to give away. They’re lent our rights and they hand them back for us to choose whom we decide to represent us next time. I’m not surprised you don’t get the issue I have with the WA, because you view nationhood through a monetary prism . That’s what it boils down to, to you, everything has a price. In my view some things don’t have a price. Nobody said, not one person, that part of the WA would mean signing up to something with no unilateral withdrawal. If you don’t understand the implications, both morally and politically, or you don’t care, you’ve clearly let your prejudices cloud your judgement. I suggest that deep down you know it’s absolutely horrendous and an affront to democracy, but the desire to see the country suffer for voting to Leave outweighs anything else.

 

 

 

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[buctootim]

That’s what it boils down to, to you, everything has a price. In my view some things don’t have a price.

 

If that were true you wouldn't be on here *****ing about the price.

[CB Fry]

It never ceases to amaze me that so many people who voted Remain don’t quite understand deal making. To get a decent deal, the other side need to think you’ll walk away. To box that option off is self defeating beyond belief, to then compound it by agreeing a default position that suits the other side, is probably the worst negotiating strategy in history. I don’t think anyone really believed Remainers would just roll over and let the EU tickle their bellies, but they did. Just goes to show, for all their smug arrogance, they’re really pretty dopey.

 

 

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Pretty dopey, after two and a half years of this sh it, that you're still labouring under the belief that we ever had any credible walk-away position as if our relationship with the European Union was like a relationship between a leisure centre and their sanitary towel supplier..."well I'll just have to take my business elsewhere. Good day. I said good day, sir".

 

We were never going to walk away. They knew it. We knew it. David Davis and Steve Baker knew it which is why they bottled it out of DEXEU before it got pinned on them. Ditto Raab.

 

All of them sh it a brick like Aintforever stood outside a polling station.

 

May hasn't got much right, not least ending up with this sh it deal because she hemmed herself in with Brexiteers rabid red lines (activate A50 NOW, no CU, no SM etc etc).

 

But she has tried to stick it out, unlike all the Brexiteers that has run for the effing hills when the dread details of actually doing things caught up with them.

 

I still think it will go through because the Brexiteers will convince themselves they can change it later (Gove is leading this charge) and any kind of out will do, just to shut up Clegg and Blair and Johnny Foreigner.

 

And let's be honest, it's the best type of out for them. We're out but we can still blame the EU for everything bad that ever happens anyway. Win fu cking win.

Edited 25 November, 2018 by CB Fry

[CB Fry]

This will be fascinating if it happens.

 

A Remainer pretending to be a Leaver versus a Leaver pretending to be a Remainer. Kind of.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/11/25/theresa-may-demands-brexit-tv-debate-jeremy-corbyn-campaign/amp/?WT.mc_id=tmgliveapp_iosshare_Arn4qDv3CtNs&__twitter_impression=true

[Batman]

This will be fascinating if it happens.

 

A Remainer pretending to be a Leaver versus a Leaver pretending to be a Remainer. Kind of.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/11/25/theresa-may-demands-brexit-tv-debate-jeremy-corbyn-campaign/amp/?WT.mc_id=tmgliveapp_iosshare_Arn4qDv3CtNs&__twitter_impression=true

 

Only she could demand a debate and then lose it

[whelk]

LD getting a little excitable. Let down by his beloved Tories.

[aintforever]

It has been a conservative **** up from start to finish.

[Lord Duckhunter]

If that were true you wouldn't be on here *****ing about the price.

 

I’ve not mentioned the price.

 

 

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[Lord Duckhunter]

LD getting a little excitable. Let down by his beloved Tories.

 

Let down by pinkos pretending to be Tories. Rudd, Hammond, May, Lidington, Clark , Gauke are all dripping ****ing wet.

 

 

 

 

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[badgerx16]

... Bespoke provisions were also made for the Channel Islands, military bases on Cyprus and Gibraltar

What about Anguila ?

https://www.economist.com/britain/2018/08/09/beaches-and-borders

[Verbal]

Let down by pinkos pretending to be Tories. Rudd, Hammond, May, Lidington, Clark , Gauke are all dripping ****ing wet.

 

 

 

 

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Haven't you missed some names, Lord Crap? Where's Fox, Raab, Davis, Johnson, Braverman, Baker, Gove, Leadsom, etc - all of them brexiters, all (or were until their cowardice forced them out) cabinet members. Why don't they count as 'dripping wet'?

 

Of the names you mention, only May has had close contact with actual negotiations, which were otherwise entirely led politically by people who were bullsh*t-on-a-bus brexiters.

[CB Fry]

Haven't you missed some names, Lord Crap? Where's Fox, Raab, Davis, Johnson, Braverman, Baker, Gove, Leadsom, etc - all of them brexiters, all (or were until their cowardice forced them out) cabinet members. Why don't they count as 'dripping wet'?

 

Of the names you mention, only May has had close contact with actual negotiations, which were otherwise entirely led politically by people who were bullsh*t-on-a-bus brexiters.

Nah, when the history of Brexit is written it will become abundantly clear that it was all the fault of Amber Rudd and David Gauke. I mean. It's, like, obvious they done all the stuff and that. Edited 26 November, 2018 by CB Fry

[Wes Tender]

Female British Prime Ministers:- Grocer's daughter = best PM in my lifetime. Vicar's daughter = worst PM in my lifetime.

Iron Lady v Tinpot Lady

[Wes Tender]

Haven't you missed some names, Lord Crap? Where's Fox, Raab, Davis, Johnson, Braverman, Baker, Gove, Leadsom, etc - all of them brexiters, all (or were until their cowardice forced them out) cabinet members. Why don't they count as 'dripping wet'?

 

 

Have Fox and Leadsom left the Cabinet? I must have missed it.

[CB Fry]

Have Fox and Leadsom left the Cabinet? I must have missed it.

"All cabinet members".

[Plastic]

Female British Prime Ministers:- Grocer's daughter = best PM in my lifetime. Vicar's daughter = worst PM in my lifetime.

Iron Lady v Tinpot Lady

 

No worse than the fool Cameron who started this idiocy. At least you can hold on to the hope that Liam Fox will be the knight in shining armour, riding to the rescue of Brexit.

He seems to be taking his time with the supposed fifth-column cabinet shenanigans though, perhaps even he now recognises that this deal is not the “easiest in human history”...

[Wrensup]

I expect most people who voted leave didn’t give a sh!te about trade deals let alone understand the complexities involved.

 

Absoafucckinlutely... the vast majority of the nation didn’t have a clue of the internal working of the EU/government before the referendum. Let alone what trade deals we’ve got. And now everyone is an expert.

[Verbal]

Female British Prime Ministers:- Grocer's daughter = best PM in my lifetime. Vicar's daughter = worst PM in my lifetime.

Iron Lady v Tinpot Lady

 

Absolutely, al-Tenderi. Thatcher helped create the single market, one of her, and the EU's, greatest achievements. You'll be defending the SM with your last breath against the moronic May, right?

[Lord Duckhunter]

Haven't you missed some names, Lord Crap? Where's Fox, Raab, Davis, Johnson, Braverman, Baker, Gove, Leadsom, etc - all of them brexiters, all (or were until their cowardice forced them out) cabinet members. Why don't they count as 'dripping wet'?

 

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It’s not all about Brexit you know. They’re dripping wet on everything from monetary policy, to law and order. Gove and Boris are pretty pinkish, but the others are sound Conservatives imo.

 

Whenever the Tories try and be Social Democrats it’s ends in disaster for the party. Grocer Heath, Johnny Major, Cameron and now Maybot. The only thing that gets them into power is the incompetence of the labour leaders .Since the great lady was knifed by the pinkos, they’ve beaten Ed Milliband & Jezza, and needed a coalition to beat Brown. **** me if labour produced politicians like they used to, the tories would be ****ed.

 

 

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[Lord Duckhunter]

The way it’s playing out the saviours of Brexit could well turn out to be Gina Miller and Dominic Grieve. Millers Supreme Court case ensured Parliament legislated for A50 and therefore the leaving date is written in law(it also means royal prerogative can’t be used to revoke it). And Grieve’s insistence on a meaningful vote in both Commons and Lords, also stopped May’s use of Royal Prerogative. Without Grieve’s intervention this deal would have been signed, sealed, and delivered.

 

 

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[Wes Tender]

Absolutely, al-Tenderi. Thatcher helped create the single market, one of her, and the EU's, greatest achievements. You'll be defending the SM with your last breath against the moronic May, right?

 

There's no need to defend anything about the EU, as we are leaving it because of what it has become, not what it was all those years ago.

 

Margaret Thatcher, it is a pity that there was only one of her. We could do with another younger one of her right now.

 

And you really do yourself no favours with this puerile, infantile name calling. How old are you, as a matter of interest?