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  On 25/03/2024 at 14:38, West end Saints said:

Just commenting on last two posts, as I have not been following this thread.

 

I think the situation is quite clear:

 

The vast majority of people, including those who campaigned for Brexit, agree it (the Brexit we achieved) has been bad for the UK.

 

If people could turn the clock back, and vote again (with today's knowledge), it would be a huge landslide to remain - not just to save us from what turned out to be the disaster of Brexit, but to prevent the time it took, the arguments, the mess of parliament, politics since etc..

 

However, I doubt that many want to revisit the decision and have a vote on whether to rejoin,  repeating all of the arguments.

I think most just want to find a way forward.

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I agree with all of that, but what does finding a way forward look like now that we're out and staying out? Realistically it can't be much more than taking the rough with the rough.

Tamesaint

Tamesaint

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  On 25/03/2024 at 15:10, egg said:

I agree with all of that, but what does finding a way forward look like now that we're out and staying out? Realistically it can't be much more than taking the rough with the rough.

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Never say never but I cannot see us rejoining the EU for many years. I can hiwever forsee closer and closer alignment with the EU on more and more issues all designed to increase trade and co-operation. A change of government will help this pricess as would the Conservative party being recaptured by the grown ups. 

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Lord Duckhunter

Lord Duckhunter

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  On 25/03/2024 at 14:38, West end Saints said:

Just commenting on last two posts, as I have not been following this thread.

 

I think the situation is quite clear:

 

The vast majority of people, including those who campaigned for Brexit, agree it (the Brexit we achieved) has been bad for the UK.

 

If people could turn the clock back, and vote again (with today's knowledge), it would be a huge landslide to remain - not just to save us from what turned out to be the disaster of Brexit, but to prevent the time it took, the arguments, the mess of parliament, politics since etc..

 

However, I doubt that many want to revisit the decision and have a vote on whether to rejoin,  repeating all of the arguments.

I think most just want to find a way forward.

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The result of the 2019 election pretty much confirmed that the vast majority of Brexit voters wanted it finalised & for the people responsible for “the time it took”, “the mess of Parliament” etc to get out of the way. A election based on Get Brexit done, resulted in a Tory landslide & wins in areas unthinkable when the Europhiles were running the party. 
 

People like Soggy are fighting the last war, it’s not a question of repeating the same arguments. Your  “huge landslide” will be achieved if we vote again. A huge landslide against The Euro & all the other conditions put upon us being re admitted. The reason the remain side fought so hard to stop us leaving after the vote  was because they knew this. They knew the deal  we had went the day we left & they knew there’’d no chance of us rejoining. 
 

From my point of view, the day we left Brexit became a success because it handed back control of certain areas to our Parliament. Take back control, meant that. What the British Government did with that control is down to them and they’re accountable for it. Had we been voting to remain or leave the EEC I’d have voted Remain, it was the “further steps to be taken in order to advance European integration”, of the Maastricht Treaty which did for me, & I suspect, the vast majority of Leave voters. So instead of looking at Brexit as the disaster, maybe you should look back at The Maastricht Treaty & the behaviour of pro Europeans politicians who pretended it was just a Trading arrangement. They were responsible for Brexit every bit as much as Nigel was. 

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West end Saints

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  On 25/03/2024 at 19:57, Lord Duckhunter said:

The result of the 2019 election pretty much confirmed that the vast majority of Brexit voters wanted it finalised & for the people responsible for “the time it took”, “the mess of Parliament” etc to get out of the way. A election based on Get Brexit done, resulted in a Tory landslide & wins in areas unthinkable when the Europhiles were running the party. 
 

People like Soggy are fighting the last war, it’s not a question of repeating the same arguments. Your  “huge landslide” will be achieved if we vote again. A huge landslide against The Euro & all the other conditions put upon us being re admitted. The reason the remain side fought so hard to stop us leaving after the vote  was because they knew this. They knew the deal  we had went the day we left & they knew there’’d no chance of us rejoining. 
 

From my point of view, the day we left Brexit became a success because it handed back control of certain areas to our Parliament. Take back control, meant that. What the British Government did with that control is down to them and they’re accountable for it. Had we been voting to remain or leave the EEC I’d have voted Remain, it was the “further steps to be taken in order to advance European integration”, of the Maastricht Treaty which did for me, & I suspect, the vast majority of Leave voters. So instead of looking at Brexit as the disaster, maybe you should look back at The Maastricht Treaty & the behaviour of pro Europeans politicians who pretended it was just a Trading arrangement. They were responsible for Brexit every bit as much as Nigel was. 

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Fair enough, we have very different views and probably both too entrenched to be convinced otherwise.

I read widely and am yet to be convinced of any tangible benefits, and when challenged you hear even likes of Farage agreeing but because we wanted a different Brexit😄.

I think there was far too much dishonesty which has been proven (oven ready deal, Northern Ireland) which often was due to clear barriers which they didn't have solutions for.

 

Sorry but all opinions polls clearly show most think it was wrong.

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Fan The Flames

Fan The Flames

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Taking back control is just fantasy, swapping one set of suits for another set of suits trying to find a way of operating in a world of suits. 

Ideological bollocks that does more harm than good.

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sadoldgit

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  On 26/03/2024 at 12:59, Fan The Flames said:

Taking back control is just fantasy, swapping one set of suits for another set of suits trying to find a way of operating in a world of suits. 

Ideological bollocks that does more harm than good.

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Absolutely. The whole thing was designed to resonate with the flag shaggers and xenophobes. We retained our monarchy. We retained our democratically elected government. We elected Euro MPs and we held a veto so were never going to be railroaded into anything we weren’t happy with. We also managed to keep hold of our currency and retain a “special” status despite being no more special than the likes of France, Germany, Italy and the rest of the EU.

We have lost far more than we have gained, not least our standing in the world. The only upside in this situation is that those who spouted the lies are a busted flush and those who continue to support them are gradually dying out. I wonder if they actually realise yet that the straight banana thing was bollocks (along with every other lie we were fed)?

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Turkish

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  On 26/03/2024 at 16:22, sadoldgit said:

Absolutely. The whole thing was designed to resonate with the flag shaggers and xenophobes. We retained our monarchy. We retained our democratically elected government. We elected Euro MPs and we held a veto so were never going to be railroaded into anything we weren’t happy with. We also managed to keep hold of our currency and retain a “special” status despite being no more special than the likes of France, Germany, Italy and the rest of the EU.

We have lost far more than we have gained, not least our standing in the world. The only upside in this situation is that those who spouted the lies are a busted flush and those who continue to support them are gradually dying out. I wonder if they actually realise yet that the straight banana thing was bollocks (along with every other lie we were fed)?

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Or in other language people who have a different opinion to you.

 

What's all this "we" about as well? You seem to hate everything about this country, remember you even admitted the only reason you did clap for carers during covid was because it gave you chance to speak to your neighbours (i bet they were glad when that finished) part of the reason for a lot of the real problems in this country are people like you. Self obsessed, woe is me merchants bathing in their own self pity. Get a grip man you should be ashamed of yourself.

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Weston Super Saint

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  On 26/03/2024 at 16:58, Turkish said:

Or in other language people who have a different opinion to you.

 

What's all this "we" about as well? You seem to hate everything about this country, remember you even admitted the only reason you did clap for carers during covid was because it gave you chance to speak to your neighbours (i bet they were glad when that finished) part of the reason for a lot of the real problems in this country are people like you. Self obsessed, woe is me merchants bathing in their own self pity. Get a grip man you should be ashamed of yourself.

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I think his hatred stems from his wife not being handed benefits when she was fired - like everyone else in the same situation, but he felt she should be an exception. Fucking Tories.

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trousers

trousers

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  On 27/03/2024 at 08:35, badgerx16 said:

Another minor Brexit benefit, or just people being thick ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68658209

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The latter, obviously, although I wonder why the EU are the only destination that deploy this rule? The rest of the world only use the expiry date. Is it just the EU being awkward/different because they can, or is there any logic behind it? (Genuine question as I have no idea). If the latter, then why aren't the rest of the world applying the same logic? 

The Kraken

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  On 27/03/2024 at 10:03, trousers said:

The latter, obviously, although I wonder why the EU are the only destination that deploy this rule? The rest of the world only use the expiry date. Is it just the EU being awkward/different because they can, or is there any logic behind it? (Genuine question as I have no idea). If the latter, then why aren't the rest of the world applying the same logic? 

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The rest of the world have variations on what they’ll accept, insofar as many countries require a passport to have a minimum of 1-6 months remaining at the time of travel.

The EU rule wasn’t invented for Brexit, it’s always been there for third country citizens. And it makes sense really, if your passport is older than 10 years on the day you travel (and/or doesn’t have a minimum of 3 months to expiry) it’s invalid to visit the EU.

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Whitey Grandad

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  On 27/03/2024 at 16:14, The Kraken said:

The rest of the world have variations on what they’ll accept, insofar as many countries require a passport to have a minimum of 1-6 months remaining at the time of travel.

The EU rule wasn’t invented for Brexit, it’s always been there for third country citizens. And it makes sense really, if your passport is older than 10 years on the day you travel (and/or doesn’t have a minimum of 3 months to expiry) it’s invalid to visit the EU.

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These rules are there in case you need medical attention and have to stay in the country beyond your intended departure date.

The Kraken

The Kraken

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  On 27/03/2024 at 19:38, Whitey Grandad said:

These rules are there in case you need medical attention and have to stay in the country beyond your intended departure date.

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Medical is one reason yes, but overall it’s to ensure that if you overstay for any reason at all your passport will remain valid while still being able to stay in the country legally and without need for an exemption.  EU require 3 months which equates to the maximum of 90/180 (which itself will soon be much better monitored with the upcoming introduction of EES and then ETIAS).

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Guided Missile

Guided Missile

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The eurozone economy is growing half as fast as the UK as Britain bounced back stronger from recession. GDP across the eurozone grew by 0.3pc in the first quarter of the year, according to figures from Eurostat. It means that while its recession is over, growth is still half the 0.6pc recorded in the UK during the same period, a rate described as “gangbusters” by officials.

By contrast, Andrew Kenningham at Capital Economics said “the recovery will be quite muted” on the Continent.

 

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Who are ya? Who are ya? Who are ya?

badgerx16

badgerx16

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  On 17/05/2024 at 17:10, Sheaf Saint said:

A Cornish fisherman who voted for Brexit said the fleet had been "sold down the river" because foreign boats were still fishing near the coast.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c103ldej4qvo

"I didn't think the leopards would eat MY face" claims man who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces party.

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That is what happens when you trust and believe Boris Johnson.

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badgerx16

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  On 15/05/2024 at 18:20, The Kraken said:

Misguided Weapon any time he tries to make an informed post about anything.

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He does get most of his stuff from the Telegraph, which yesterday reached a new height of journalistic excellence with a story about cyclists riding through central London at speeds faster than those achieved by Sir Chris Hoy when he won track gold medals at the Olympics.

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Gloucester Saint

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  On 17/05/2024 at 17:23, badgerx16 said:

That is what happens when you trust and believe Boris Johnson.

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Totnes as a seat could swing back to the Lib Dem’s, the town itself wants rid of the Tories and is Lib Dem/Green, but Brixham has been solid Tory partly because of the fishing and Brexit. The fishing community got so badly shat on and lied to by the Tory Brexiteers that you’d hope they’d get their revenge at the GE but experience tells me that working folk in this country love the Etonian jackboot in their face.

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whelk

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  On 18/05/2024 at 07:29, badgerx16 said:

He does get most of his stuff from the Telegraph, which yesterday reached a new height of journalistic excellence with a story about cyclists riding through central London at speeds faster than those achieved by Sir Chris Hoy when he won track gold medals at the Olympics.

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Seen the speed of some of these electric bikes?

badgerx16

badgerx16

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  On 18/05/2024 at 10:22, whelk said:

Seen the speed of some of these electric bikes?

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That would be the illegal de-regulated ones presumably.

However, the Telegraph BS piece was directed at purely pedal powered bikes which unfairly want to share the road with all those mild mannered and caring BMW and  AUDI drivers.

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Guided Missile

Guided Missile

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Faced with an EU loving Labour government on one hand and the rapid movement in the other direction of the national governments that run the EU shitshow, the results of the French election will provide me with some consolation, when the UK is faced with an economic and societal meltdown a Labour government will inflict.

It will be hilarious to listen to the Remainers faced with the right wing governments in France, Germany and Italy and the prospect of this bunch looking over our application to rejoin. France, with their 5.5% budget deficit, would not even qualify to be in the EU. I wonder if Germany will pull their Greek tragedy on them.

The lefties must now be so grateful for Brexit. Pity we will be in a socialist hell hole for 4 years, but Marine Le Pen loading the rubber dinghies at Calais will be an amusing side show, while we turn into Venezuela.

Let's face it, the EU is a sinking ship. Unfortunately we're in a lifeboat with David Lammy, Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner.

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sadoldgit

sadoldgit

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  On 20/06/2024 at 07:41, Guided Missile said:

Faced with an EU loving Labour government on one hand and the rapid movement in the other direction of the national governments that run the EU shitshow, the results of the French election will provide me with some consolation, when the UK is faced with an economic and societal meltdown a Labour government will inflict.

It will be hilarious to listen to the Remainers faced with the right wing governments in France, Germany and Italy and the prospect of this bunch looking over our application to rejoin. France, with their 5.5% budget deficit, would not even qualify to be in the EU. I wonder if Germany will pull their Greek tragedy on them.

The lefties must now be so grateful for Brexit. Pity we will be in a socialist hell hole for 4 years, but Marine Le Pen loading the rubber dinghies at Calais will be an amusing side show, while we turn into Venezuela.

Let's face it, the EU is a sinking ship. Unfortunately we're in a lifeboat with David Lammy, Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner.

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If only we had freedom of movement eh GM? You could go and live with like minded people in Germany or France. Still, if Farage wins the seat in Clacton you could always move there. Not much in the way of compensation though, I grant you.

badgerx16

badgerx16

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  On 20/06/2024 at 07:41, Guided Missile said:

Faced with an EU loving Labour government on one hand and the rapid movement in the other direction of the national governments that run the EU shitshow, the results of the French election will provide me with some consolation, when the UK is faced with an economic and societal meltdown a Labour government will inflict.

It will be hilarious to listen to the Remainers faced with the right wing governments in France, Germany and Italy and the prospect of this bunch looking over our application to rejoin. France, with their 5.5% budget deficit, would not even qualify to be in the EU. I wonder if Germany will pull their Greek tragedy on them.

The lefties must now be so grateful for Brexit. Pity we will be in a socialist hell hole for 4 years, but Marine Le Pen loading the rubber dinghies at Calais will be an amusing side show, while we turn into Venezuela.

Let's face it, the EU is a sinking ship. Unfortunately we're in a lifeboat with David Lammy, Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner.

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Remind me, when are Deutsche Bank folding and precipitating the collapse of the Eurozone ?

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whelk

whelk

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  On 20/06/2024 at 08:32, The Kraken said:

Genuinely a mental man. Always has been, of course, but seems to be getting worse.

As a suggestion...........you won, maybe get over it?

Such a snowflake.

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I picture a bloke dressed like John McCrorrick living in a tip and in desperate need of a shower, picking his nose a lot

Danbert

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No mention of Brexit in the Tory manifesto. Do they feel we've already reached the sunlit uplands, so no action required, or do they have no idea how to get there?

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Guided Missile

Guided Missile

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  On 28/06/2016 at 17:32, Guided Missile said:

The paper by the two PhD's obviously have too many words for you to bother with. You're the one with the "pre-determined viewpoint" and as I said, if you're not going to read the document I refer to, to support an argument I'm wasting my time engaging with you, apart from saying we have 12,000 customers in Germany. Bye, bye and I'll look forward to revisiting this topic in a year when the UK economy is flying, the EU is in the cr@pper and your teeth are still in a glass of water at night...

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badgerx16

badgerx16

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In February, Goldman Sachs reported that since Brexit the UK economy was 5% worse off compared to other similarly sized economies. Another report calculated that the UK economy had lost £140Bn.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/14/brexit-has-sliced-5percent-off-uk-economic-growth-goldman-sachs-says.html

https://www.london.gov.uk/new-report-reveals-uk-economy-almost-ps140billion-smaller-because-brexit

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Weston Super Saint

Weston Super Saint

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  On 15/08/2024 at 15:17, badgerx16 said:

In February, Goldman Sachs reported that since Brexit the UK economy was 5% worse off compared to other similarly sized economies. Another report calculated that the UK economy had lost £140Bn.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/14/brexit-has-sliced-5percent-off-uk-economic-growth-goldman-sachs-says.html

https://www.london.gov.uk/new-report-reveals-uk-economy-almost-ps140billion-smaller-because-brexit

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I think the government lost £20bn of that.

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