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Saints Web Definitely Not Official Second Referendum  

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Warriorsaint

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  On 09/09/2021 at 12:11, hypochondriac said:

Not sure what is oh dear about it. I never discounted the possibility of them introducing charges:

Whilst this is disappointing news, the good news for me personally is that I've just recently signed a 2 year contract so I'll have a couple of years to assess the market and then make my choice which is how the market should work. Not going to lie though that is a shame and as the analyst says its going to make their network difficult to stand out. 

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Chickens coming home to roost. Another Brexit Benefit eh?

aintforever

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  On 09/09/2021 at 12:11, hypochondriac said:

Not sure what is oh dear about it. I never discounted the possibility of them introducing charges:

Whilst this is disappointing news, the good news for me personally is that I've just recently signed a 2 year contract so I'll have a couple of years to assess the market and then make my choice which is how the market should work. Not going to lie though that is a shame and as the analyst says its going to make their network difficult to stand out. 

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When the first company did it they had an industry expect on the radio saying the rest will follow suit, it's just a matter of time.

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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  On 09/09/2021 at 12:35, Tamesaint said:

Naive or what?

Stop wriggling. Just admit that you have been wrong and move on. 😘

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As the analyst has opined, it's going to be hard for them to differentiate themselves in the future and I'll be interested to see how they do. I would be wrong if I said definitively that it wouldn't happen. I'm surprised that they have got rid of it but I never discounted the possibility as I've said more than once. 

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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  On 09/09/2021 at 12:38, aintforever said:

When the first company did it they had an industry expect on the radio saying the rest will follow suit, it's just a matter of time.

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Maybe so. My bet is still on one of them swallowing the costs and then using it to sell their products. If someone like O2 kept the benefit then they could really hammer the marketing once travelling abroad becomes more of a thing again. Will be interesting to, see how three do out of this, my bet is not too well. 

Guided Missile

Guided Missile

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Let's face it, there will never be a referendum on re-joining the EU, before the inevitable collapse of the single market and even if there was, the result would be "no way Jose", particularly from the many thousands of voters, whose lives saved due to the UK not being part of the EU joint vaccine procurement scheme, unlike every member state of the EU.

So, like the diminishing number of socialists licking their wounds since the last GE, it's time for Leavers to suck it up and make the best of it for the common good, or like horse-faced Hilary Mantel, fuck off to Ireland and enjoy paying €70 to see your GP.

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Tamesaint

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  On 09/09/2021 at 13:22, Guided Missile said:

Let's face it, there will never be a referendum on re-joining the EU, before the inevitable collapse of the single market and even if there was, the result would be "no way Jose", particularly from the many thousands of voters, whose lives saved due to the UK not being part of the EU joint vaccine procurement scheme, unlike every member state of the EU.

So, like the diminishing number of socialists licking their wounds since the last GE, it's time for Leavers to suck it up and make the best of it for the common good, or like horse-faced Hilary Mantel, fuck off to Ireland and enjoy paying €70 to see your GP.

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Ah great. Another post from the anti Nostradamus.

I always enjoy laughing at what Pompey Poly's finest has to say.

badgerx16

badgerx16

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  On 09/09/2021 at 13:22, Guided Missile said:

Let's face it, there will never be a referendum on re-joining the EU, before the inevitable collapse of the single market and even if there was, the result would be "no way Jose", particularly from the many thousands of voters, whose lives saved due to the UK not being part of the EU joint vaccine procurement scheme, unlike every member state of the EU.

So, like the diminishing number of socialists licking their wounds since the last GE, it's time for Leavers to suck it up and make the best of it for the common good, or like horse-faced Hilary Mantel, fuck off to Ireland and enjoy paying €70 to see your GP.

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The Kraken wakes, and continues to spout the same ill-informed bollox.

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buctootim

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  On 09/09/2021 at 12:42, hypochondriac said:

Maybe so. My bet is still on one of them swallowing the costs and then using it to sell their products. If someone like O2 kept the benefit then they could really hammer the marketing once travelling abroad becomes more of a thing again. Will be interesting to, see how three do out of this, my bet is not too well. 

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Doh. If that is true why do you think they all had roaming charges before the EU mandated their abolition? Where was the super smart market grabber like O2 then?

I also had a contract with EE. Didnt stop them supposedly keeping my roaming but down grading it to super patchy 3G on a recent trip to France. In terms of contract I still had in plan data but to all practical intents and purposes it has gone.      

trousers

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  On 09/09/2021 at 14:08, warsash saint said:

https://twitter.com/CookPassTim/status/1435345499087908872

 

Stewart Lee nails it

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I sometimes ponder upon how much the sneering of clever folk influenced the vote of the not-so-clever folk thus tipping the end result in a certain direction. It may have had no influence at all, of course, but I do like to wonder from time to time :)

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Warriorsaint

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  On 09/09/2021 at 14:51, trousers said:

I sometimes ponder upon how much the sneering of clever folk influenced the vote of the not-so-clever folk thus tipping the end result in a certain direction. It may have had no influence at all, of course, but I do like to wonder from time to time :)

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Yes so cutting off nose to spite the face. Clever voters.

Warriorsaint

Warriorsaint

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  On 09/09/2021 at 15:52, hypochondriac said:

Or maybe they realised that there would be some downsides related to brexit but felt that on balance it was worth it anyway because they valued some things more? 

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Maybe. But 17.4 million? But show me the other side of the see saw.

 All I see every day are the consequences. Where are the benefits?

please tell me.

badgerx16

badgerx16

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  On 09/09/2021 at 17:36, Warriorsaint said:

I asked politely but somehow you took offence. If the the wording of my post upset you I offer my apologies.

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I'm not offended, I just won't be dictated to. How can anybody reply to a post if they don't quote it ? Who gets to decide who can be 'quoted' and who can't ?

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CB Fry

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  On 09/09/2021 at 14:51, trousers said:

I sometimes ponder upon how much the sneering of clever folk influenced the vote of the not-so-clever folk thus tipping the end result in a certain direction. It may have had no influence at all, of course, but I do like to wonder from time to time :)

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You post a variation of this notion repeatedly on this thread, probablyfor the last five years. In fact, pretty sure it is the only thing you ever post on this thread.

Fan The Flames

Fan The Flames

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  On 09/09/2021 at 14:51, trousers said:

I sometimes ponder upon how much the sneering of clever folk influenced the vote of the not-so-clever folk thus tipping the end result in a certain direction. It may have had no influence at all, of course, but I do like to wonder from time to time :)

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Ironically a sneering post. 

I know someone who voted for Brexit because he hated the local council so much. Some people really did vote out for spurious reasons.

Mind you, he also said he was only going to have the second vaccine because it was the first one that gave you the bad side effects.

Weston Super Saint

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  On 09/09/2021 at 18:58, Fan The Flames said:

Ironically a sneering post. 

I know someone who voted for Brexit because he hated the local council so much. Some people really did vote out for spurious reasons.

Mind you, he also said he was only going to have the second vaccine because it was the first one that gave you the bad side effects.

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Maybe it says more that you have stayed in touch for over four years ;) 

Sergei Gotsmanov

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  On 09/09/2021 at 14:51, trousers said:

I sometimes ponder upon how much the sneering of clever folk influenced the vote of the not-so-clever folk thus tipping the end result in a certain direction. It may have had no influence at all, of course, but I do like to wonder from time to time :)

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Trousers I think you are on the money. The best case for leaving Europe were the people that argued for us to stay in and their assumption that all people that would want to leave were stupid.

Warriorsaint

Warriorsaint

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  On 09/09/2021 at 17:49, badgerx16 said:

I'm not offended, I just won't be dictated to. How can anybody reply to a post if they don't quote it ? Who gets to decide who can be 'quoted' and who can't ?

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Again how does a request with a please refer to dictating?

Am I missing something? 

badgerx16

badgerx16

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  On 09/09/2021 at 21:23, Warriorsaint said:

Again how does a request with a please refer to dictating?

Am I missing something? 

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"Please don't quote xxxxx....." determines that xxxxx cannot be responded to directly. You are attempting to limit my ability to interact with another poster.

trousers

trousers

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  On 09/09/2021 at 17:59, CB Fry said:

You post a variation of this notion repeatedly on this thread, probablyfor the last five years. In fact, pretty sure it is the only thing you ever post on this thread.

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  On 09/09/2021 at 18:03, badgerx16 said:

There is also this

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And not forgetting this timeless classic of course...

groundhog day wtf GIF

 

 

Warriorsaint

Warriorsaint

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  On 09/09/2021 at 21:42, badgerx16 said:

"Please don't quote xxxxx....." determines that xxxxx cannot be responded to directly. You are attempting to limit my ability to interact with another poster.

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I can see your point. That is fair. It was not meant that directly but I can see how it could be seen that way.

Weston Super Saint

Weston Super Saint

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Fucking Brexit!

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/michel-barnier-hardline-brexit-negotiator-embraces-merits-of-euroscepticism-tl9chglsd

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Speaking to a Republicans party gathering in Nîmes, he (Barnier) said that it was time for France to “regain” its legal sovereignty and “no longer be subjected to the judgments of the European Court of Justice (ECJ) or the European Court of Human Rights”

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egg

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  On 10/09/2021 at 04:54, Warriorsaint said:

 

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Have you actually listened to it? He makes the point I made above. It's a trade agreement, so it deals with trade only. Not complicated, and non story. 

I don't understand the purpose of your numerous posts on brexit. It's happened. It's shit. Highlighting all the shit won't change anything, and I can only assume that you're trying to hook someone for a row. 

Fan The Flames

Fan The Flames

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  On 10/09/2021 at 06:09, egg said:

Have you actually listened to it? He makes the point I made above. It's a trade agreement, so it deals with trade only. Not complicated, and non story. 

I don't understand the purpose of your numerous posts on brexit. It's happened. It's shit. Highlighting all the shit won't change anything, and I can only assume that you're trying to hook someone for a row. 

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The clue is in the title, this is the Brexit - post match reaction thread.

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egg

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  On 10/09/2021 at 06:19, Fan The Flames said:

The clue is in the title, this is the Brexit - post match reaction thread.

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Bravo. And the purpose of whingeing about everything that's shit, but that we can't do anything about, is what? 

egg

egg

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  On 10/09/2021 at 06:51, CB Fry said:

.....the entirety of a football forum?

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Ha!! Fair point...in the Brexit context I just don't get the point. It's achieved nothing positive, and spending time highlighting all the negatives seems a futile exercise. Each to their own I guess. 

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Weston Super Saint

Weston Super Saint

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  On 09/09/2021 at 16:01, buctootim said:

 

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https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/in-highsight-do-you-think-britain-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/

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39% is only 3% below the data from the 1st of January 1970 ;) 

As ever the devil is in the detail when it comes to polls.  One of the lowest polling sample sizes since the Brexit vote (1653), with 2 questions about grocery shortages and supply chain issues included in the questions in the 3rd September round of polling - in some circles these might be construed as 'leading questions'.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/in-highsight-do-you-think-britain-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/?notes

What's the old addage about lies, damn lies and statistics?

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buctootim

buctootim

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  On 10/09/2021 at 07:13, Jeremy Corbyn said:

Who are those 39%?  Who genuinely still believes that brexit was a good idea?  We're up to 0 benefits and go knows how many costs at this point.

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If you strip out the 'don't knows' it gives a 55% to 45% split. imo thats clear evidence of majority regret but its still not so decisive that you'd think it was a settled view. You'd need something north of 60:40 for that. There has to be a element of 'sticking with my view because I don't want to be proved wrong' about it surely?       

  On 10/09/2021 at 08:37, Weston Super Saint said:

39% is only 3% below the data from the 1st of January 1970 ;) 

As ever the devil is in the detail when it comes to polls.  One of the lowest polling sample sizes since the Brexit vote (1653), with 2 questions about grocery shortages and supply chain issues included in the questions in the 3rd September round of polling - in some circles these might be construed as 'leading questions'.

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Of course. There is always the possibility of one poll being an outlier. However it is part of a trend. Polls are designed for a known variance -normally + or - 1% with a confidence interval of 95%. Meaning one result in 20 would have a error giving a variance of greater of + or - 1%.   So the chances of one poll being out by more than 1% are 1 in 20. The chances of two successive polls being out by more than 1% is 20 x 20 (1 in 400) three 20 x 20 x 20 (1 in 8,000) 4..... you get the idea.     

Weston Super Saint

Weston Super Saint

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  On 10/09/2021 at 08:57, buctootim said:

If you strip out the 'don't knows' it gives a 55% to 45% split. imo thats clear evidence of majority regret but its still not so decisive that you'd think it was a settled view. You'd need something north of 60:40 for that. There has to be a element of 'sticking with my view because I don't want to be proved wrong' about it surely?           

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To be fair, it's clear evidence that a majority of the 1653 people that were polled by YouGov on behalf of The Times have regret (although we don't actually know how they originally voted and they could all be remain voters, or conversely all leave voters).

As before the referendum, all the polls suggested an overwhelming victory for the Remain campaign, yet we all know the actual result.

I suspect that quite a lot of people who voted leave aren't really the target demographic for The Times.

badgerx16

badgerx16

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  On 10/09/2021 at 10:18, Guided Missile said:

Freedom never comes without a price. It was true in 1945 and true today, just that the price, if any, is much, much lower.

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Freedom is an illusion, a myth that is promoted by those who would enslave you by other, more subtle, means.

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