shurlock Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 I know its only half-time but Derby have been pretty commanding against United -United have been running rather than strolling and at times have been on the back foot. Is it really a weaker United team than that that played us or what?
Andy_Porter Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 Doesn't seem much difference between the two United sides to me.
danny91973 Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 With Saints not playing until Sunday, I took the opportunity to watch my local club, Forest Green outplay Derby on Saturday (even thought they eventualy lost 3-4). Derby were awful and I was thinking that Saints would have beaten them quite easily (as they have already done this season). They are as much relegation candidates as we are.
derry Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 Utd are a lot weaker tonight without their own referee.
Chez Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 Utd are a lot weaker tonight without their own referee. blast I had my "is Riley playing for them tonight" line at the ready
derry Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 blast I had my "is Riley playing for them tonight" line at the ready Da Silva last man, just pulled Commons back, Phil Dowd bottled it with a yellow. Nobody wants the Ferguson hairdryer it seems.
shurlock Posted 7 January, 2009 Author Posted 7 January, 2009 Doesn't seem much difference between the two United sides to me. giggs, berbatov, neville, carrick out but tevez, scholes, rafael in - possibly slightly weaker tonight, though they're introducing the big guns. Even against united, simply doing the basic stuff right -being organised and closing them down - makes a difference.
davefoggy Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 even blyth spartans managed to get 2 corners against blackburn rovers (non-league v premier league lets not forget) we couldn't even muster up 1 sodding corner at home to man utd. i think gillingham also gave premier league aston villa a hard time also. i am still hurting from sundays complete lack of effort and passion. and don't start blaming the ref, yes he was awful but we never looked like we had any game plan whatsoever
Chez Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 i am still hurting from sundays complete lack of effort and passion. there was effort, but a complete lack of ability in all positions meant we got nowhere.
davefoggy Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 there was effort, but a complete lack of ability in all positions meant we got nowhere. no tactics either
NickG Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 and 10 men! makes bit of difference when chasing a game against world champions!
davefoggy Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 you love your excuses don't you nick! i suppose you were happy with sunday's performance then?
SaintRobbie Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 With Saints not playing until Sunday, I took the opportunity to watch my local club, Forest Green outplay Derby on Saturday (even thought they eventualy lost 3-4). Derby were awful and I was thinking that Saints would have beaten them quite easily (as they have already done this season). They are as much relegation candidates as we are. Not at the moment they're not... Derby winning 1-0 with 2 mins to go against a stronger Man Utd side than we faced! Amazing what a managerial change can do!
SaintRobbie Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 and 10 men! makes bit of difference when chasing a game against world champions! Yes but Nick... going down to 10 men was our fault!
Saint ReN Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 with 5mins to go and they are winning 1 nil. Great. :mad:
Thedelldays Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 referee or no ref on anyones side...the lack of application we showed was a disgrace and it is both sad and pathetic that some are making excuses.. derby have just beaten man utd..!!!!
corky morris Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 You cant but compare can you. It makes our performance & result look a lot worse now. Geeez even when you try & look for a positive it is almost impossible. We really are a shower of sh1t.
trousers Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 and 10 men! makes bit of difference when chasing a game against world champions! Not sure we quite lived up to the verb 'chase' to be fair... chase 1 (chs)v. chased, chas·ing, chas·es v.tr.1. To follow rapidly in order to catch or overtake; pursue
SaintRobbie Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 well done lowe... david lowe LOL - Agreed! LOWE IN! (We'll have him as manager!)
dubai_phil Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 referee or no ref on anyones side...the lack of application we showed was a disgrace and it is both sad and pathetic that some are making excuses.. derby have just beaten man utd..!!!! Yep but it is a 2 leg game as I recall.... Mind you still no excuse you're right
trousers Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 You cant but compare can you. It makes our performance & result look a lot worse now. Geeez even when you try & look for a positive it is almost impossible. We really are a shower of sh1t. Or, alternatively, we were so good that we ran Man Utd ragged thus making them ill equiped to face Derby 3 days later...
SaintRobbie Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 Or, alternatively, we were so good that we ran Man Utd ragged thus making them ill equiped to face Derby 3 days later... errrrrr..... no
Thedelldays Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 dont forget, no matter who played for man u.. they are the best team in the world..!!!!
trousers Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 errrrrr..... no Go easy on me....was only a Wilde guess
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 We are currently one of the worst sides in English League football. Bashley would give us a good game right now.
Micky Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 (edited) Derby did Man U fair and square - but how that relates to our game against them is beyond me. Football is full of surprises, didn't see many people predicting we would go to Reading and win, look at the teams that Burnley have taken out in their cup run. There are loads of 'one off' surprises that you can quote - but in the grand scheme of things trying to compare individual games and point to form is pretty fruitless. For us it matters only about what we do between now and the end of the season - shove Derby...!! Edited 7 January, 2009 by Micky Got me Burleys & Burnleys mixed up...! ;)
Lunatic Fridge Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 Derby did Man U fair and square - but how that relates to our game against them is beyond me. Football is full of surprises, didn't see many people predicting we would go to Reading and win, look at the teams that Burley have taken out in their cup run. There are loads of 'one off' surprises that you can quote - but in the grand scheme of things trying to compare individual games and point to form is pretty fruitless. For us it matters only about what we do between now and the end of the season - shove Derby...!! But it just emphasises that other "so called" relegation contenders can get a result by some hard work and a degree of nounce. Whereas we have neither and our clueless management just stumble from one game to the next making the same crass mistakes. Face it we are f**ked and prepare yourself for Div 3.
trousers Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 Derby did Man U fair and square - but how that relates to our game against them is beyond me. Football is full of surprises, didn't see many people predicting we would go to Reading and win, look at the teams that Burley have taken out in their cup run. Just an observation, but you're comparing and contrasting results/outcomes. (Most) other people are comparing the effort and desire of Saints compared to these other sides.
lordswoodsaints Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 just shows you what can be done with a new manager. a fresher approach can work wonders.
Micky Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 But it just emphasises that other "so called" relegation contenders can get a result by some hard work and a degree of nounce. Whereas we have neither and our clueless management just stumble from one game to the next making the same crass mistakes. Face it we are f**ked and prepare yourself for Div 3. I agree with you entirely. Up to now, from what I have seen, we look pretty clueless in all departments less KD (thank god). But comparing one game is unrealistic - we now have 20 to get our asses in gear and sort this season out - otherwise the outcome could well be catastrophic for this club.
NickG Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 you love your excuses don't you nick! i suppose you were happy with sunday's performance then? didn't expect much more and think we have played worse, with 11 players, against much worse teams. Think criticisms are bit ott in circs (for Saturday not the season) thought we did chase and didn't do too bad before sending off. We would have still been easily beaten
NickG Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 Yes but Nick... going down to 10 men was our fault! agree -probably starting a forward with too little experience even in smaller games
SW11_Saint Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 So... a struggling Championship side could never beat Man Utd?? Fight, grit, spirit, passion, determination - and a bit of sublime skill - and there you have it, struggling Derby beat the mighty Man United. Well I never... Mind, must have helped with the feelgood factor of the new manager looking on, as well as of course trying to impress him (oh, and a board who clearly have a bit of a vision and the balls to act when needed). Rupert, Jan... were you watching? (cue the apologists again - lucky Derby, United tired, waiting for 2nd leg etc. etc.).
Micky Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 Just an observation, but you're comparing and contrasting results/outcomes. (Most) other people are comparing the effort and desire of Saints compared to these other sides. Observation noted - and agreed - Derby worked bloody hard for their result. We appear to like to 'knock it about a bit in midfield' (tippy tappy as Alpine would say) but we don't want to be sweating over our nice clean shirts. After our game, somebody on here suggested that we need Robbie Savage to 'add some steele' to our midfield and I thought 'Shyte - no way do I want that clogger in red and white...' Look who came on for Derby tonight - shucks, what do I know...!!!
SW11_Saint Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 But comparing one game is unrealistic - we now have 20 to get our asses in gear and sort this season out - otherwise the outcome could well be catastrophic for this club. and you think Jan is the man to do that do you?
Micky Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 and you think Jan is the man to do that do you? I don't believe I said that - strangely though, I have always felt that a certain Nigel Clough might do well at a higher level. I wonder if he is available.... doooh maybe not now....
saintwarwick Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 You cant but compare can you. It makes our performance & result look a lot worse now. Geeez even when you try & look for a positive it is almost impossible. We really are a shower of sh1t. Nope you can't but compare and to think we beat Derby away earlier in the season, it's a funny old game.
trousers Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 Observation noted - and agreed - Derby worked bloody hard for their result. We appear to like to 'knock it about a bit in midfield' (tippy tappy as Alpine would say) but we don't want to be sweating over our nice clean shirts. After our game, somebody on here suggested that we need Robbie Savage to 'add some steele' to our midfield and I thought 'Shyte - no way do I want that clogger in red and white...' Look who came on for Derby tonight - shucks, what do I know...!!! ..
Professor Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 Yes but Nick... going down to 10 men was our fault! Where does 'our' come into this? Did the coach tell Patterson to make reckless challenges at every opportunity, or was it just a rash moment by a player who was trying just a bit too hard? What is the point of trying to blame every action by individual players on 'the club'! Fact is until Patterson went off, Saints were holding their own, playing some good football and looked as likely to score as Utd. The sending off was a tragedy for Matthew who clearly did not intend any malice and was devestated by the decision, which rightly or wrongly ended the game as a contest and rendered the rest of the match meaningless.
SW11_Saint Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 we had ten men we had ten men we had ten men we had ten men we had ten men plus i think most the man utd players care a lot more about the fa cup. plus teams have good and bad days. we can be better, we can be worse, as can they, as can derby. That's right, that's right, keep repeating, it's all just down to luck, it'll all come good, that's the ticket, good, good... See you in League 1...
Dr Who? Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 They know they have the second leg to batter them!
NickG Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 Nope you can't but compare and to think we beat Derby away earlier in the season, it's a funny old game. we played a team, who have just beaten the world champions, off the park -beating them away (23rd Aug), this shows we are a truly great side.
benjii Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 Where does 'our' come into this? Did the coach tell Patterson to make reckless challenges at every opportunity, or was it just a rash moment by a player who was trying just a bit too hard? What is the point of trying to blame every action by individual players on 'the club'! Fact is until Patterson went off, Saints were holding their own, playing some good football and looked as likely to score as Utd. The sending off was a tragedy for Matthew who clearly did not intend any malice and was devestated by the decision, which rightly or wrongly ended the game as a contest and rendered the rest of the match meaningless.
corsacar saint Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 What a pity that Saints did not put up a fight on sunday, like Derby did tonight. [ Even if we did play for most of the game with 10 men.] As for Proffessor he must have borrowed Lowes tinted glasses, that see such wonderful football played by the team at all times.
The Godfather Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 Derby played a good game tonight, in comparison last Sunday we were never going score in a million years. The fact it was embarrasing at the end when Rooney & co were not taking the shot but trying to get Anderson his first goal for the club. Their was no battling or fight. All we did was pass the ball around and tried to look nice on the ball.
Badger Posted 7 January, 2009 Posted 7 January, 2009 just shows you what can be done with a new manager. a fresher approach can work wonders. New manager effect. Just that we don't believe in it,or it goes in the opposite direction when we appoint and it gets worse.
LaptopSaint Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 Anyone who says the comparison is meaningless is living in dreamland. We were looking for something -- anything -- to make us feel a little bit proud of this season, and we didn't get it against Utd. How good do you think Derby fans feel today (and they won't forget that feeling even if they get tonked 5-0 in the 2nd leg). What is the single high point of the season so far -- probably DMG's winner against Preston. Most of the time it's been unremittingly grim. Not a criticism, just the real world.
um pahars Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 Fact is until Patterson went off, Saints were holding their own, playing some good football and looked as likely to score as Utd. If Rupert is going to post on here, then you would like to think he would disguise himself better;). As likely to score, you're having a giraffe!!!!!!!!!!!! (Sorry, just noticed Benjiii has already taken Rupe's to task)
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