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For me Puel has a point to prove as its a step up, plus it sounds like he plays a style we want to see here and improve/bring through the youngsters.

 

Found the comment about him on the last page of the earlier thread:

 

Puel doesn t play a high pressing either.

How much of you have watched a one of his teams play in the past?

I've seen nearly all his career in Ligue 1, his football is boring and very defensive. There is no pressing whatsoever.

A very uninspiring choice if we take him.

 

You can't both be right. (And I've no idea who is).

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I wanted Rudi Garcia so badly, but from the 3, Pellegrini for me.

 

Also, where else would Pellegrini go from us if we were a stepping stone?

 

He would be lowest risk appointment too, Puel, fact he has cut it in just the French League isn't enough for me, no matter what he has done.

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It's a tricky one for Les and the board. Consistent league improvement over the years, culminating in a 6th place finish makes it harder to appoint an "unknown" Pochesque manager who, let's face it, could seriously bomb. It's a gamble even with the attention to detail the club supposedly has in place. Perhaps it could be Pellegrini who they turn to, even if it goes against the club's philosophical instincts.

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I worry Pellegrini might nod off during late kick offs; also, have a look at his eyes, looks like he has a liver condition.

 

I don't know why I'm laughing, because it's true. He doesn't look well, and was probably planning to retire soon. One last hurrah? And what wage will he be expecting? What did Citeh pay him? A lot, I'm sure. Not exactly the young, hungry and eager to prove himself type of manager I was expecting.

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**** me , how much do people think Pellegrini would want . I'd be amazed if we could afford him and even more amazed if he'd come to us for the type of money we'd pay . Let's get real .

 

He was on £4M a year at Man City. Supposedly that's the same as what we offered Ron.

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I wanted Rudi Garcia so badly, but from the 3, Pellegrini for me.

 

Also, where else would Pellegrini go from us if we were a stepping stone?

 

He would be lowest risk appointment too, Puel, fact he has cut it in just the French League isn't enough for me, no matter what he has done.

 

Any one of them might only stay with us for a couple of years.

 

They all have their upsides and they all have their downsides.

 

Pellegrini is the biggest name but must be pretty close to retirement and hasn't covered himself in glory at Man City despite winning the league (just) but equally wasn't too bad either.

Puel has built successful sides at Monaco and Nice and has a record of bringing through young players but has only managed in France.

Piereira has been successful at Porto and Olympiakos but they are both clubs who have the resources to win their leagues and he does seem to swap clubs a bit. Does have a win ratio approaching 60% from 8 years in management though.

Don't think I'd be upset if any of them were appointed but also wouldn't be massively excited either. Not sure any of them would be as good an appointment as Poch was but they are 3 decent candidates.

Out of the 3 I'd be inclined to go for Puel as I think he would be the more likely of the 3 to build something substantial and take the club to the next level but he's also probably the riskiest appointment out of the 3.

Trust the club to get it right based on a much more detailed analysis than any of us are capable of.

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I wanted Rudi Garcia so badly, but from the 3, Pellegrini for me.

 

Also, where else would Pellegrini go from us if we were a stepping stone?

 

He would be lowest risk appointment too, Puel, fact he has cut it in just the French League isn't enough for me, no matter what he has done.

 

Any one of them might only stay with us for a couple of years.

 

They all have their upsides and they all have their downsides.

 

Pellegrini is the biggest name but must be pretty close to retirement and hasn't covered himself in glory at Man City despite winning the league (just) but equally wasn't too bad either.

Puel has built successful sides at Monaco and Nice and has a record of bringing through young players but has only managed in France.

Piereira has been successful at Porto and Olympiakos but they are both clubs who have the resources to win their leagues and he does seem to swap clubs a bit. Does have a win ratio approaching 60% from 8 years in management though.

Don't think I'd be upset if any of them were appointed but also wouldn't be massively excited either. Not sure any of them would be as good an appointment as Poch was but they are 3 decent candidates.

Out of the 3 I'd be inclined to go for Puel as I think he would be the more likely of the 3 to build something substantial and take the club to the next level but he's also probably the riskiest appointment out of the 3.

Trust the club to get it right based on a much more detailed analysis than any of us are capable of.

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Pellegrini for me too however, the one thing I can't come to terms with is the fact given the playing resources he had at Citeh he only won the league once or am I just being picky?

 

I think this is the new reality of the Premier League. How many clubs would like to win the title next year and can reasonably believe they have a chance? By my count, five to seven: Man U, Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham and maybe Liverpool and Leicester. All but one of them is going to be disappointed. Winning the title one year in three with a good team is going to be a significant accomplishment from now on. Even making the Champions League year after year is going to be much more difficult--even for Arsenal (who are likely to have a post-Ferguson experience when Wenger leaves).

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We've got too many posters too far up their own backsides . Sorry but I'm not trendy , don't play Football manager , or know the manager of Nantes who moved to Malaga in 2014 with a 47% win record , but played the nippers . I don't want to sound like an old dinosaur but had this happened last season and someone suggested Ramieri all the Euro hipsters would have wet themselves laughing . Ryan Giggs - not good enough , not foreign enough , ditto David Moyes & Stebe Bruce . Wjat worked before ain't necessarily going to work again . Giggs will have the respect of the players , has played at the highest level , learnt his trade under one of the greatest managers who ever lived , but is not good enough for us . I don't know if he's worth a go , that's what les reed is paid to decide . Les will be talking to contacts , tapping into sir Alex's knowledge and if he goes with Giggs, that's good enough for me . I just hope his not trying to replicate the sucsess we had with Poch & Ron by appointing by formula . As Leicester showed sometimes thinking out of the box is the best option

 

I copied your post from the other thread as I felt compelled to respond.

 

For starters, everyone has their own views and opinons. Just because they don't align with yours doesn't make you a dinosaur or them up their own back side.

 

Someone like Giggs posses a massive risk. Even more so than a Poch/Ron because he has hardly any managerial experience (4 games to be precise). Established top 7 clubs in the premier league don't take risks on people like Giggs and nor do we need to. He could become a good manager but then he could flop. At the very least we need to employ someone with a bit of experience and because of our recent success we are in a position to do so.

 

With the others you've mentioned, Moyes and Bruce. We like to employ a certain style of play from the under 9's all the way through to the first team and although it may vary slightly, the priciple remains the same. Moyes and Bruce simply don't set their teams up in the way that we would like and because of our standing in the game atm we can afford to be picky and get in a manager that suits our set up. That's why Poch and Koeman were a success.

 

Let the clubs near the bottom of the league panic and take chances on people like Giggs. We'll do fine looking at the candidates on our list. Just my opinion though mate. :thumbup:

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On the assumption we would make an appointment based on a search of European leagues, I had a shortlist of Roger Schmidt, Marcelino & Valverde.

 

However, if we were picking from a pool which included premier league experience then Pellegrini would have shaken up the pecking order. He has been there, seen it , done it. He carries respect and gravitas in the game. If he has the desire to be the saints manager then I can't see a reason not to make it happen.

 

Additionally, as it's been said above, he will be influential in convincing players of our seriousness, both current and new.

 

So, with the 3 Ps known to be on the shortlist, Pellegrini is at the top of the list for me.

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I watch a lot of Australian football and we MUST get Ange Postecoglou from Australia. He's for an amazing job with Brisbane roar and transform the socceroos into a Asian cup champs. He loves bringing youngsters through so would fit with our ethos of youth. He was recently rated the 39th best manager in the world only 2 places behind FDB. He's definitely the Aussie Guardiola.

 

 

If not him then Tony Popovic of west Sydney wanderers, cup finalists two years running and won the AFC championship. How many other managers have won a new franchise team their national league so quickly? Even that flawed great Shinji Ono says Pop is the best coach he's ever had crediting him with rebuilding his career. We MUST get him, hes the Aussie Jose Mourinho.

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I'm not sure why the club have put it out there on who we are interested as manager for Saints.

Its always our way to do things quietly and because of this I reckon this is a decoy as we want someone else.

 

Just being seen to be linked with the calibre of manager like Pellegrini makes a statement, could also be a convenient red herring to get someone else in under the radar.

 

He does seem a bit of an older candidate for how the club appear to be progressing, but would still be a coup to get him. But my money remains on someone else getting the job.

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I'm not sure why the club have put it out there on who we are interested as manager for Saints.

Its always our way to do things quietly and because of this I reckon this is a decoy as we want someone else.

 

probably the biggest myth on here. We do not do things quietly at all.

Which is no bad thing but for some reason, fans here think we do

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To be fair to Pellegrini City had some big injury problems this season. Took a quick look at the games played; Silva 25, KDB 25, Kompany 14, Aguero 30; Can't underestimate how key those 4 are to City.

 

One could argue he will have to do with out all those players here (or players of that quality) and that the replacements in the citeh squad should still be of a decent quality (certainly comparable to anything in the saints squad) so if that's his excuse we aren't the team for him.

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Tend to agree with Pilchards here. Saints have always prided themselves on conducting business away from public glare. Wouldn't surprise me if Pellegrini's name has been put out there to suggest we are aiming high, but in reality just a decoy. Think we will get a progressive manager like VP or Puel for that matter, both under the radar until this week, esp Puel, but likewise, wouldn't surprise me if we suddenly appointed a name not mentioned at all. Either way, no reason to doubt the club's selection policy

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I watch a lot of Australian football and we MUST get Ange Postecoglou from Australia. He's for an amazing job with Brisbane roar and transform the socceroos into a Asian cup champs. He loves bringing youngsters through so would fit with our ethos of youth. He was recently rated the 39th best manager in the world only 2 places behind FDB. He's definitely the Aussie Guardiola.

 

 

If not him then Tony Popovic of west Sydney wanderers, cup finalists two years running and won the AFC championship. How many other managers have won a new franchise team their national league so quickly? Even that flawed great Shinji Ono says Pop is the best coach he's ever had crediting him with rebuilding his career. We MUST get him, hes the Aussie Jose Mourinho.

Until they've really proved themselves by being relegated from La Liga with the highest goals against tally in the division then it's a no from me.

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If Pellegrini wants to remain in the Premier League then we are the best club on offer currently.

 

While he is the best of the three mentioned, IMO... my fear is this is his motivation. He has said he wants to stay in this league and nobody else is offering him a job, so he'll make do with us.

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Tend to agree with Pilchards here. Saints have always prided themselves on conducting business away from public glare. Wouldn't surprise me if Pellegrini's name has been put out there to suggest we are aiming high, but in reality just a decoy. Think we will get a progressive manager like VP or Puel for that matter, both under the radar until this week, esp Puel, but likewise, wouldn't surprise me if we suddenly appointed a name not mentioned at all. Either way, no reason to doubt the club's selection policy

 

when have we ever done that different from many other clubs?

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Until they've really proved themselves by being relegated from La Liga with the highest goals against tally in the division then it's a no from me.

 

Or won a whole 2 games out of 11 in La Liga last season before being sacked in November. I believe you were advocating Mr. Moyes earlier on ?

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Or won a whole 2 games out of 11 in La Liga last season before being sacked in November. I believe you were advocating Mr. Moyes earlier on ?

Multiple top eight finishes in the Premier League David Moyes? That David Moyes? Yes I will happily advocate David Moyes over an achingly trendy hipster nobody whose last job was relegating some two bob club.

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probably the biggest myth on here. We do not do things quietly at all.

Which is no bad thing but for some reason, fans here think we do

Les Reed will be spouting off about have-done contract negotiations on the Internet within days, I'd expect. He's on YouTube more than Taylor Swift.

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Or won a whole 2 games out of 11 in La Liga last season before being sacked in November. I believe you were advocating Mr. Moyes earlier on ?

 

 

But but David Moyes is British! Funny how people can judge a manager who's never had the opportunity at a club at a higher level like ours. It's an argument equivalent to never playing a youth player because "they've never done it on the big stage". It does baffle me.

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Have absolutely no real evidence to base this concern on...but 2 down at half time can you really see Pellegrini being the inspirational motivator? I know Iain Duncan Smith has taught us all to never underestimate the determination of a quiet man, but just can't see it for some reason.

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