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Pancake

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Never mind his win percentage. Can we forgive him for agreeing to sell us Osvaldo?

 

Any man who SELLS Osvaldo and gets money in the bank is fine in my book

 

Ha yeah. He managed to actually sell the loon. Doff my cap to him.

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Chris27687

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Seems like a good signing and in keeping with the ethos of developing young players - would be nice to see some of the u21's getting some games in the first team again like under poch.

 

I'm sure he can turn Olomola into the next Hazard.

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Any reason for the specific thread on RG when there is the New Manager one? Genuine question... cant see that he's been overly linked?

 

This.

 

P.S Although he has been interviewed/talked to according to KBilly.

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Fitzhugh Fella

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On the other managerial thread and worth copying onto this one

 

 

 

First post in a while but felt compelled too when the news broke about

Garcia last night. As well as being a Saints season ticket holder I've also

followed Roma as my foreign team for the past 12 years or so, been out to

watch 25+ games and watched every Roma match during Garcia's tenure so I'd

like to think I'm well placed to offer a bit of an insight into him. I've

seen some on here and twitter who have obviously searched him on wikipedia

and seen his win percentage and overall record with Lille and Roma, but

there is more to Garcia than just his statistics.

 

 

So here goes. Garcia had a fantastic start at Roma, picking them up when

the club was in turmoil after losing the Italian cup final to bitter rivals

Lazio the season before hand. After winning the first 10 games of his first

season in charge (a record in Serie A), the team played some great football

with Totti and Gervinho linking up very nicely indeed in attack and

defensively they were solid as a rock. Roma went on to achieve 2nd place

and a return to the Champions League after a 4 year absence. It appeared

that Roma had found a very talented and special manager and possibly the

man who could one day lead them to the Scudetto.

 

 

Roma started off Garcia's 2nd season in similar fashion, winning their

first 5 games before losing to Juventus in a game heavily influenced by

refereeing errors. Roma's performance in that game however suggested they

had closed the gap to Juve and that they would fight with them for the

title until the very end of the season. Shortly after that game Roma met

Bayern in the CL at home and took a 1-7 hammering. From that moment onwards

things started to go downhill and it's a defeat that neither the team nor

Garcia ever fully recovered from. They soon fell out of the CL and a run of

draws against mid table and lower half teams allowed Juve to run away with

the title. This poor run of form meant that in the end Roma scrapped into

2nd place on the penultimate day of the season. Not a particularly

outstanding achievement given many had considered Roma as title favourites

at the beginning of the season after Antonio Conte had left Juve, and 2nd

place was the bare minimum expected considering Garcia had by far and away

the 2nd best squad in Serie A. During the 2nd half of the season Roma were

also hammered by Fiorentina in the Europa League (3-0 down at home at half

time in the 2nd leg) and knocked out at the quarter finals of the Coppa

Italia, again by Fiorentina.

 

Some real cracks were beginning to appear in Garcia's Roma. Teams had

started to work out his tactics and they became a lot easier to defend

against. Many opponents would sit deep, not allow space in behind for Roma

to counter attack and Gervinho to utilise with his pace and Garcia had no

answer to this. He had no plan B and persisted with the same 4-3-3

formation week in week out and continued to play out of form players. Roma

played some incredibly ponderous football which became increasingly

frustrating to watch, there was no energy or creativity about the team and

they would spend most games passing the balls sidewards and back to front

without threatening the opposition at all. Another annoying feature of

Garcia was his failure to accept responsbility for Roma's poor form, often

blaming it on bad luck or injuries.

 

I've read that his lack of plan B and inability to be flexible with his

formation and tactics also caused problems during his latter seasons at

Lille. This blog written at the time Roma appointed him explained what to

expect from and highlighted his tactical inflexibility and hesitance to

attempt changes.

http://frenchfootballweekly.com/2013...s-rudi-garcia/

 

Roma started off his 3rd season in mixed fashion, beating Juventus early on

but again failing to beat many of the smaller sides in Serie A. They did

temporarily manage to claw themselves to the top of the table but it didn't

last long. A run of 1 win in 10 included one of the most humiliating and

embarrassing results in Roma's entire history. A 0-0 draw followed by a

penalty shoot out defeat at home to Serie B side Spezia in the Coppa Italia

which was one of the final nails in Garcia's coffin. In the end the vast

majority of Roma's fanbase wanted him sacked and we finally got our wish in

January this year.

 

Some will look at Garcia's record at Roma and suggest his sacking was

harsh, but I can safely say that in 12 years of watching them the football

played during his final 12 months is some of the worst I have ever seen

them play. It got to a stage where the prospect of watching a Roma game was

just downright depressing, because the poor performances just became

inevitable and it was obvious Garcia had no idea how to change things. It

was a great shame because the way Garcia embraced the club and city early

on really endeared him to a lot of fans, myself included. He was genuinely

passionate about Roma and come across as a decent guy, and right up until

the very end I still harboured hopes that would turn things around. But his

tactical stubbornness and inability to be flexible cost him dearly.

 

IF Garcia has learnt any lessons from his time at Roma and can prove that

he is able to be flexible then we could do worse. He is a talented manager

but with some real short comings that so far during his career he has been

unable to address. Be prepared for a good start under Garcia, but if I come

back here in a year or two's times to see complaints that he always uses

the same formation, keeps playing out of form players, doesn't know how to

get us out of a bad run of form...etc then I won't be at all surprised.

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Nordic Saint

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On the other managerial thread and worth copying onto this one

 

 

 

First post in a while but felt compelled too when the news broke about

Garcia last night. As well as being a Saints season ticket holder I've also

followed Roma as my foreign team for the past 12 years or so, been out to

watch 25+ games and watched every Roma match during Garcia's tenure so I'd

like to think I'm well placed to offer a bit of an insight into him. I've

seen some on here and twitter who have obviously searched him on wikipedia

and seen his win percentage and overall record with Lille and Roma, but

there is more to Garcia than just his statistics.

 

 

So here goes. Garcia had a fantastic start at Roma, picking them up when

the club was in turmoil after losing the Italian cup final to bitter rivals

Lazio the season before hand. After winning the first 10 games of his first

season in charge (a record in Serie A), the team played some great football

with Totti and Gervinho linking up very nicely indeed in attack and

defensively they were solid as a rock. Roma went on to achieve 2nd place

and a return to the Champions League after a 4 year absence. It appeared

that Roma had found a very talented and special manager and possibly the

man who could one day lead them to the Scudetto.

 

 

Roma started off Garcia's 2nd season in similar fashion, winning their

first 5 games before losing to Juventus in a game heavily influenced by

refereeing errors. Roma's performance in that game however suggested they

had closed the gap to Juve and that they would fight with them for the

title until the very end of the season. Shortly after that game Roma met

Bayern in the CL at home and took a 1-7 hammering. From that moment onwards

things started to go downhill and it's a defeat that neither the team nor

Garcia ever fully recovered from. They soon fell out of the CL and a run of

draws against mid table and lower half teams allowed Juve to run away with

the title. This poor run of form meant that in the end Roma scrapped into

2nd place on the penultimate day of the season. Not a particularly

outstanding achievement given many had considered Roma as title favourites

at the beginning of the season after Antonio Conte had left Juve, and 2nd

place was the bare minimum expected considering Garcia had by far and away

the 2nd best squad in Serie A. During the 2nd half of the season Roma were

also hammered by Fiorentina in the Europa League (3-0 down at home at half

time in the 2nd leg) and knocked out at the quarter finals of the Coppa

Italia, again by Fiorentina.

 

Some real cracks were beginning to appear in Garcia's Roma. Teams had

started to work out his tactics and they became a lot easier to defend

against. Many opponents would sit deep, not allow space in behind for Roma

to counter attack and Gervinho to utilise with his pace and Garcia had no

answer to this. He had no plan B and persisted with the same 4-3-3

formation week in week out and continued to play out of form players. Roma

played some incredibly ponderous football which became increasingly

frustrating to watch, there was no energy or creativity about the team and

they would spend most games passing the balls sidewards and back to front

without threatening the opposition at all. Another annoying feature of

Garcia was his failure to accept responsbility for Roma's poor form, often

blaming it on bad luck or injuries.

 

I've read that his lack of plan B and inability to be flexible with his

formation and tactics also caused problems during his latter seasons at

Lille. This blog written at the time Roma appointed him explained what to

expect from and highlighted his tactical inflexibility and hesitance to

attempt changes.

http://frenchfootballweekly.com/2013...s-rudi-garcia/

 

Roma started off his 3rd season in mixed fashion, beating Juventus early on

but again failing to beat many of the smaller sides in Serie A. They did

temporarily manage to claw themselves to the top of the table but it didn't

last long. A run of 1 win in 10 included one of the most humiliating and

embarrassing results in Roma's entire history. A 0-0 draw followed by a

penalty shoot out defeat at home to Serie B side Spezia in the Coppa Italia

which was one of the final nails in Garcia's coffin. In the end the vast

majority of Roma's fanbase wanted him sacked and we finally got our wish in

January this year.

 

Some will look at Garcia's record at Roma and suggest his sacking was

harsh, but I can safely say that in 12 years of watching them the football

played during his final 12 months is some of the worst I have ever seen

them play. It got to a stage where the prospect of watching a Roma game was

just downright depressing, because the poor performances just became

inevitable and it was obvious Garcia had no idea how to change things. It

was a great shame because the way Garcia embraced the club and city early

on really endeared him to a lot of fans, myself included. He was genuinely

passionate about Roma and come across as a decent guy, and right up until

the very end I still harboured hopes that would turn things around. But his

tactical stubbornness and inability to be flexible cost him dearly.

 

IF Garcia has learnt any lessons from his time at Roma and can prove that

he is able to be flexible then we could do worse. He is a talented manager

but with some real short comings that so far during his career he has been

unable to address. Be prepared for a good start under Garcia, but if I come

back here in a year or two's times to see complaints that he always uses

the same formation, keeps playing out of form players, doesn't know how to

get us out of a bad run of form...etc then I won't be at all surprised.

 

But the good thing is this should mean no top club will want him so he'll be cheap. Still hoping we'll get Frank De Boer. It's still possible, isn't it?

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Are there any news stories linking us to him or is it all bookies odds at the moment?

 

Bookies are way more reliable, with the exception of skybet, than media reports. Mostly due to the fact we tend to keep our mouths shut when we are doing deals - rather than doing a tottenham or west ham and let the whole world know.

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Bookies are way more reliable, with the exception of skybet, than media reports. Mostly due to the fact we tend to keep our mouths shut when we are doing deals - rather than doing a tottenham or west ham and let the whole world know.

 

Serious question. Why are bookies more reliable than media reports?

 

Where do they get their information from? Have they got more reliable sources at clubs than journalists?

 

My understanding - and I could be wrong on this - is that bookies tend to react to the markets and betting patterns.

 

We all know bookies close the book when lots of money is lumped on one person as an indication that he is favourite. That might well be as a result of somebody indulging in a bit of insider trading and looking to make a few bob, and if that counts as reliable information, then fair enough.

 

But I wouldn't think their information at this stage of the game is any more reliable than journalists whose job it is to maintain close contacts with reliable sources inside clubs and the game at large.

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Serious question. Why are bookies more reliable than media reports?

 

Where do they get their information from? Have they got more reliable sources at clubs than journalists?

 

My understanding - and I could be wrong on this - is that bookies tend to react to the markets and betting patterns.

 

We all know bookies close the book when lots of money is lumped on one person as an indication that he is favourite. That might well be as a result of somebody indulging in a bit of insider trading and looking to make a few bob, and if that counts as reliable information, then fair enough.

 

But I wouldn't think their information at this stage of the game is any more reliable than journalists whose job it is to maintain close contacts with reliable sources inside clubs and the game at large.

 

If a journalist has a contact on the inside it's only a matter of time before he gets found out because the info is made public. A bookie could have someone on the inside for years and it would be pretty impossible to find out who it was.

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If a journalist has a contact on the inside it's only a matter of time before he gets found out because the info is made public. A bookie could have someone on the inside for years and it would be pretty impossible to find out who it was.

 

That totally misunderstands bookies business model. Their interest is in having as many people as possible making bets on as many / horses / candidates / events as possible because they know there is only one winner and whoever wins they are making more money on the losing bets than paying out on the winners. Its no good to them if everyone piles on to the same bet because then they are exposed.

 

As Florida says, they just respond to the market. If lots of bets flow in on the same thing they cut the odds on that and lengthen them on the others.

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