SaintSteve Posted 2 July, 2016 Share Posted 2 July, 2016 which bit sounded like a joke? You are the joke..Pelle has had a great tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydenhamssocks Posted 2 July, 2016 Share Posted 2 July, 2016 So our useless striker goes and ****s it up for Italy. The only thing I'm surprised at is that he didn't spend the next 10 minutes moaning at other people. The sooner he leaves, the better. Not being able to hit the target is criminal. Haha! Yep Muller too I wouldn't have him in a Saints shirt either. Inept penalty takers every one. I can't agree with you enough. In fact it's impossible to imagine a summing up more concisely done than is one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 2 July, 2016 Share Posted 2 July, 2016 You are the joke..Pelle has had a great tournament. he's had an ok tournament. Two goals in the last minute of games against teams chasing a goal. Appalling penalty. He's a distinctly average player that brings very little to our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pass the Dutchie Posted 2 July, 2016 Share Posted 2 July, 2016 But a special mention to Zaza, WTF was that all about? For those of you who are on Facebook, this made me laugh out loud: https://www.facebook.com/OfficialFootballFeed/videos/546449812227285/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 2 July, 2016 Share Posted 2 July, 2016 Funnily enough, while the post-2000 revolution in German football has produced a generation of players with great technique, I don't think they have the same mental strength as the Deutschland of old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singapore Saint Posted 2 July, 2016 Share Posted 2 July, 2016 That's that then, Pelle will be staying with us, no one will want him after that horrendous penalty miss (WTF was that???). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singapore Saint Posted 3 July, 2016 Share Posted 3 July, 2016 Pelle's was kind of like I expected it would be. Must be a reason he doesn't take them. I don't really trust strikers who don't want to take them! This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singapore Saint Posted 3 July, 2016 Share Posted 3 July, 2016 Zaza's penalty miss set to Benny Hill theme mmusi https://youtu.be/q0LXjLq5VvU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted 3 July, 2016 Share Posted 3 July, 2016 Pele played for Italy in the same way as he plays for us , the commentators noticed him more as it's the Euros . His link up play was the same , lots of chesting down etc but not much domination in the box for a No9 . His goals were scored late on when defence was stretched but he did get in the right place . Still few attempts on target etc as for us ! So I suspect he will still be a Saint this coming season . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 3 July, 2016 Share Posted 3 July, 2016 Pele played for Italy in the same way as he plays for us , the commentators noticed him more as it's the Euros . His link up play was the same , lots of chesting down etc but not much domination in the box for a No9 . His goals were scored late on when defence was stretched but he did get in the right place . Still few attempts on target etc as for us ! So I suspect he will still be a Saint this coming season . You make a very good point East Kent Saint. Conte has allowed Pelle to play the same way for club and country. This is one reason why England perpetually fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 3 July, 2016 Author Share Posted 3 July, 2016 zaza, pelle and Muller took horrendous penalties in that order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 3 July, 2016 Share Posted 3 July, 2016 Pelle's penalty reminded me of this one in '94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 3 July, 2016 Share Posted 3 July, 2016 So our useless striker goes and ****s it up for Italy. The only thing I'm surprised at is that he didn't spend the next 10 minutes moaning at other people. The sooner he leaves, the better. Not being able to hit the target is criminal. Stupid comment. Probably a wind up ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 3 July, 2016 Share Posted 3 July, 2016 So our useless striker goes and ****s it up for Italy. The only thing I'm surprised at is that he didn't spend the next 10 minutes moaning at other people. The sooner he leaves, the better. Not being able to hit the target is criminal. Got to be up with the most stupid of posts written on here....... clueless... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 3 July, 2016 Author Share Posted 3 July, 2016 Ray Wilkins was kicking off about England yesterday. Started off thinking he has been on the sauce but he actually made some sense. He was hyper critical of the players saying they are bottlers. Too many English players in the country are bottlers. He ripped into the likes of Walcott, Chamberlain, Loftus-Cheek and such like. saying not only are they failing the country, they are failing themselves. They should not go out on loan, they should have demanded to be sold a long time ago. He stated that they should go to clubs like southampton, west ham and stoke where they would play most weeks and shine. Not sit on their respective benches stealing a living. He said he was saddened that about 3 players from the U21s that won their competition will actually feature fairly regularly for their premier league clubs with too many happy on their disgusting fat contracts and never playing (or happy to be sent out to Vitese) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 3 July, 2016 Share Posted 3 July, 2016 Got to be up with the most stupid of posts written on here....... clueless... Which part of it is clueless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 3 July, 2016 Share Posted 3 July, 2016 Ray Wilkins was kicking off about England yesterday. Started off thinking he has been on the sauce but he actually made some sense. He was hyper critical of the players saying they are bottlers. Too many English players in the country are bottlers. He ripped into the likes of Walcott, Chamberlain, Loftus-Cheek and such like. saying not only are they failing the country, they are failing themselves. They should not go out on loan, they should have demanded to be sold a long time ago. He stated that they should go to clubs like southampton, west ham and stoke where they would play most weeks and shine. Not sit on their respective benches stealing a living. He said he was saddened that about 3 players from the U21s that won their competition will actually feature fairly regularly for their premier league clubs with too many happy on their disgusting fat contracts and never playing (or happy to be sent out to Vitese) I was listening to the that and it was enjoyable listening when trying to cut the garden hedges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 3 July, 2016 Share Posted 3 July, 2016 Which part of it is clueless? Though he may not be everyone's favourite, he certainly hasn't been useless for us. He's scored and assisted a lot of goals, you can't argue otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 3 July, 2016 Share Posted 3 July, 2016 Which part of it is clueless? Useless striker (not true), ****s it up for Italy (Zaza did the damage), the sooner he leaves the better (stupid), not being able to hit the target is criminal (no its just unfortunately something that can happen in a penalty shootout). I reckon those bits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 3 July, 2016 Share Posted 3 July, 2016 He said he was saddened that about 3 players from the U21s that won their competition will actually feature fairly regularly for their premier league club) JWP, Targett and Redmond [emoji41] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 3 July, 2016 Share Posted 3 July, 2016 Them learning from mistakes very heavily relied on a few Italian players taking awful penalties tonight! Huge amount of luck is involved in any shootout. There have to be a team or two with a good record in shootouts over the years, that will always happen. Beyond that, people build up this great at shootouts, rubbish at shootouts mentality based on the first decade or so of what they've seen. It's different players, managers, tournaments, fans. But there's no doubt if you buy into it you can handle the pressure better, or like England, fail miserably. Hard to come back when you've ingrained rubbish at penalties into your culture. That said, we've scored a lot of penalties in shootouts too so it clearly hasn't effected everyone. Since their loss to Czechoslovakia, Germany have won 6 out of 6 shootouts, with only two misses prior to yesterday. We all know England's record, 6 losses out of 7, in some cases not practicing because "you can't recreate the pressure during practice." But that's ok, penalty taking is a lottery, and England are just unlucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 3 July, 2016 Author Share Posted 3 July, 2016 Explosion at the Stade de France just now apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 3 July, 2016 Share Posted 3 July, 2016 Explosion at the Stade de France just now apparently Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 3 July, 2016 Share Posted 3 July, 2016 Explosion at the Stade de France just now apparently No reports of that here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 3 July, 2016 Share Posted 3 July, 2016 Reports of controlled explosion on suspect vehicle by police. Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 3 July, 2016 Author Share Posted 3 July, 2016 No reports of that here. BREAKING. Explosion outside Stade de France as Police/Army make controlled explosion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 3 July, 2016 Share Posted 3 July, 2016 BREAKING. Explosion outside Stade de France as Police/Army make controlled explosion. Pretty mundane event then. Ne'er a day goes by with a shooting somewhere or other. Still not being reported by the French media though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 3 July, 2016 Share Posted 3 July, 2016 England’s Euro 2016 undermined by friction between Roy Hodgson and Gary Neville • England manager’s methods were openly questioned by his own staff • ‘The players got on fine. It was the coaches who fell out,’ the Observer is told Exclusive by Daniel Taylor Published: 22:30 BST Saturday, 02 July 2016 England’s Euro 2016 campaign was undermined by a deterioration in the working relationship between Roy Hodgson and Gary Neville and a series of disagreements among the coaching staff, the Observer can reveal. While the England players bonded well during the tournament, it has emerged there was friction behind the scenes when it came to Hodgson and members of his backroom staff. Although the relevant people all have considerable respect for one another, in the worst moments there was a clear divide about the team’s methods and, in particular, signs of tension between Hodgson and Neville. England showed they never learn, never improve and never bounce back | Paul Wilson Others became involved, with Hodgson’s methods openly being questioned by his own staff. “The players got on fine,” this newspaper has been told. “It was the coaches who fell out.” The Football Association was so concerned about high jinks at the team’s base in Chantilly it has also emerged the £500-a-night Auberge du Jeu de Paume was told to remove its chandeliers before the players arrived or risk them being smashed. The hotel reopened this weekend and staff have revealed they took down their most expensive glass fittings because the FA was worried they might be damaged. While the players were generally supportive of Hodgson and angered by reports that they questioned Raheem Sterling’s selection in the Iceland game, the fact they took it upon themselves to remove Harry Kane from corner-taking duties indicates they were not always happy with the manager’s tactics. Hodgson’s training methods – questioned by Steven Gerrard after the last World Cup – were one source of the disagreements. Neville had a close ally in Dave Watson, the goalkeeping coach. Players have complained of mixed messages and the general sense of confusion is not eased by the revelation that one turned to the dugout during the Iceland defeat and asked where a team-mate was supposed to be playing. The revelations come on the same day the FA’s chief executive, Martin Glenn, described his predecessors as “naive” for paying so much to previous England managers and made it clear the next appointment would be offered a performance-related salary. Hodgson’s annual £3.5m pay meant he had the highest basic salary of all the managers at Euro 2016, though still considerably less than the £6m-a-year packages that were put in place for Fabio Capello and Sven-Goran Eriksson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 3 July, 2016 Share Posted 3 July, 2016 Pretty mundane event then. Ne'er a day goes by with a shooting somewhere or other. Still not being reported by the French media though. Ah just filtering through to the newsrooms now. Probably a stolen car just dumped somewhere near the Stadium. Pure routine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 3 July, 2016 Share Posted 3 July, 2016 the FA’s chief executive, Martin Glenn, described his predecessors as “naive” for paying so much to previous England managers and made it clear the next appointment would be offered a performance-related salary. ........And hopefully, a 3 month sentence in a "don't drop the soap" prison for any result similar to the the Iceland debacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 3 July, 2016 Share Posted 3 July, 2016 ........And hopefully, a 3 month sentence in a "don't drop the soap" prison for any result similar to the the Iceland debacle. It's about time the players were on performance related pay for their clubs and country too would stop them being happy to sit on the bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 3 July, 2016 Author Share Posted 3 July, 2016 4-0 to France before HT France showing England how difficult Iceland are to play against Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 3 July, 2016 Share Posted 3 July, 2016 God that Iceland team are so good you can see why England struggled ............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 3 July, 2016 Share Posted 3 July, 2016 Iceland being shown up for what they really are! what happened to all that super coaching of Icelandic kids that negated Engalnds 150 to 1 population advantage that was being spouted when we lost Or the excuse that premier players are overworked ( nearly all Frances team play in England too) 4-0 HT to France Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 3 July, 2016 Share Posted 3 July, 2016 Which part of it is clueless? Everything . HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 3 July, 2016 Share Posted 3 July, 2016 Glenn Hoddle has invented a new word: fatigueness - as in "The Iceland team look to have some fatigueness". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 3 July, 2016 Share Posted 3 July, 2016 http://video.eurosport.com/football/watch-eric-cantona-wants-to-be-england-manager_vid813899/video.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 3 July, 2016 Share Posted 3 July, 2016 4-0 to France before HT France showing England how difficult Iceland are to play against Lost the second half though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 3 July, 2016 Share Posted 3 July, 2016 Could ITV have patronised Iceland any more? FFS look at them still running Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 3 July, 2016 Share Posted 3 July, 2016 Iceland being shown up for what they really are! what happened to all that super coaching of Icelandic kids that negated Engalnds 150 to 1 population advantage that was being spouted when we lost Or the excuse that premier players are overworked ( nearly all Frances team play in England too) 4-0 HT to France What happened was that France passed the ball to each other and the ones who didn't have the ball all ran around to make things more difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 3 July, 2016 Share Posted 3 July, 2016 (edited) Who said it was JUST luck? I said England have bought into the failure mentality with shootouts after losing their first couple. That was always going to be possible for the team that lost the first couple. They aren't exactly things that come round often so nations have time to obsess on them. Germany went the other way. In reality it's entirely different groups of footballers and shouldn't matter. The fact that it does it down to mentality. As for 'you can't recreate the pressure...', you hear this all the time and it just makes me think 'why practice anything then?!'. Finishing a one on one is infinitely more pressured in a big game than training. Set pieces are, free kicks, everything. Yet teams practice over and over. The best penalty takers seem to practice. Why on earth wouldn't a player practice? Even if it helps you deal with the pressure just a tiny bit, it's worth it. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/skills/4188836.stm Mental strength and the repetition of movements. And also this: "Anxiety is the most significant contributing factor to performance failure in football penalty shootouts (Jordet et al., 2007, 2012). Indeed, the penalty is one of very few occasions in this predominantly fast-moving, team sport when players are under individual scrutiny and have sufficient time to think about the consequences of failure (Jordet & Elferink-Gemser, 2012). Furthermore, unlike most other skills that are susceptible to choking effects (e.g., golf putting), the opposing team’s goalkeeper increases uncertainty and has a direct influence on performance success" http://www.bases.org.uk/Psychological-Preparation-for-Football-Penalty-Shootouts "players score on fewer than 60% of their attempts when a miss will instantly result in a loss for the team compared to 92% of their attempts when a goal will win the game (Jordet et al., 2007). Jordet and colleagues have suggested that penalty takers’ perceptions of control may explain why some ‘choke’ under the pressure of the shootout and some players succeed. Players’ perceptions of control are influenced by both beliefs about the role of skill or luck (contingency), and their beliefs about their penalty taking ability (competence). Players with low perceived competence and contingency (who believe the outcome is dependent on luck or the goalkeeper’s actions rather than skill) experienced more cognitive anxiety symptoms than those who perceived their competence and contingency level as high (Jordet et al., 2006). " So even practicing and giving yourself the belief that you're "good at penalties" is beneficial to being successful at them, even if the practice itself has no effect - which it does. Edited 3 July, 2016 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 3 July, 2016 Author Share Posted 3 July, 2016 Could ITV have patronised Iceland any more? FFS look at them still running Haha Very true. Hoddle talking like a smug ****!!! I see he is pimping himself for the England job again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 3 July, 2016 Share Posted 3 July, 2016 Glenn Hoddle has invented a new word: fatigueness - as in "The Iceland team look to have some fatigueness". I loled at that too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 3 July, 2016 Share Posted 3 July, 2016 Hey!! Fatigueness is a very real thing! Just the same as languageless when confronted with your own stupidityness! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 3 July, 2016 Share Posted 3 July, 2016 (edited) Genuinely cannot believe this front page. If you can't read the text, basically The Sun and 'some fans' are outraged that the FA's comms manager for the tournament posted a photo on his Facebook and Twitter of his personalised headrest cover on the plane before the flight out there. He posted the photo before the tournament even started! Edited 3 July, 2016 by Saint-Armstrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 3 July, 2016 Share Posted 3 July, 2016 (edited) And, there has to be a loser. England weren't bad at penalties in 1996. We talk as if it's a national trait, but Gareth Southgate was the only one that missed out of 6. 5 players out of 6 converting doesn't suggest it has anything to do with technique for me, or that many players suffer from the mentality problem, just enough of them to see us consistently lose! Venables partially learnt from past mistakes by having 5 players well-drilled and prepared for penalties. It worked against Spain. Unfortunately, he didn't seem to anticipate preparing more than 5 penalty takers. In fairness, he had more players prepared than previous English managers, and some after too. Edited 3 July, 2016 by Dark Munster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 July, 2016 Share Posted 4 July, 2016 Well I of course watched yesterday evening's game and I must say I really can't understand how that shower beat England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pass the Dutchie Posted 4 July, 2016 Share Posted 4 July, 2016 Guus Hiddink is still interested in being a national team coach, judging by his reaction to the interest from Russia. Could he do a job for England? "Guus Hiddink wants to be considered for the England manager’s job and is seeking talks with the FA. The Dutchman had intended to retire after ending his second spell as caretaker manager of Chelsea at the end of last season. However, he would consider returning to work for the right challenge, and the FA has indicated it would like to speak to the 69-year-old." http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/football/article4758845.ece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 4 July, 2016 Share Posted 4 July, 2016 TBO I lost interest in this competition before it started England have been a joke and Roy looked like an old man sat in the lounge of a rest home waiting for his incontinence pads to be changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted 4 July, 2016 Share Posted 4 July, 2016 Iceland wern't that bad , France just played proper international standard football and it was a joy to watch Griesman show what he can do . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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