Was Motty Right?

[sadoldgit]

I have just read what he actually said. " Will he go? I guess Everton are a big club, if we can use that expression. I don't know why we say that because they're not in the top six, Southampton are. Its not a straightforward decision."

 

Spot on, whether we are "bigger" or not isn't an issue. We have certainly been a better club for the last couple of years.

[LeBizzier69]

Regardless of what their fans think, they aren't classed as a big club these days. They have a strong history, but I think if you asked anyone in this country or overseas they wouldn't say "Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City and....oh yes, Everton". Players won't chose to go there because of their history, because they've done nothing for decades. If they do go there it's about playing football for a PL club, and the money on offer. IMO, they're seen as just another team battling against the possibility of mid-table mediocrity.

[mulletsaint]

We are undoubtedly a better run club and more successful at the moment and that makes it an odd decision in my opinion. There's also no doubt that Everton have a more glittering history and with the right infrastructure and funding could be huge once again. Might not be a quick fix though and the plight of Newcastle, Aston Villa and Leeds should serve as a lesson to Everton fans that size of club and history have nothing to do with how you perform in the present.

[SuperSAINT]

Swings & roundabouts isn't it.

 

Newcastle are historically a bigger club than Leicester - But right this moment, who's the better team?

[Saint Without a Halo]

Regardless of what their fans think, they aren't classed as a big club these days. They have a strong history, but I think if you asked anyone in this country or overseas they wouldn't say "Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City and....oh yes, Everton". Players won't chose to go there because of their history, because they've done nothing for decades. If they do go there it's about playing football for a PL club, and the money on offer. IMO, they're seen as just another team battling against the possibility of mid-table mediocrity.

 

The Wanderers Corinthian Casuals and The Royal Engineers have a great history joking aside so do Wolves Forest Leeds and Preston doesn't have much currency in today's world does history

What counts is the nowl!

[Feyenoord1908]

The reason he's going is what a lot of you guys are saying. Maybe Everton is a bigger club but Southampton have surely been a better club.

 

He jumped in at Soton at the worst time possible after a few good seasons and losing most top quality players, but absolutely delivered the results on and off the pitch (signings etc) despite those difficulties. It's almost been a perfect period for him. I'm sure he knows he can't get the resources at Soton to take the next step so what if he stays and one or two players leave again and one or two signings don't deliver as expected next season? Soton could easily be a mid-table team and he would then be labled an average manager, come under pressure and potentially lose his job.

 

At Everton he's likely to get 4x the budget + 4x the salary that Southampton can offer and he jumps in at the best time possible. Everton have a decent squad that's been underperforming over the last 2 years and there are serious opportunities there. If he gets them back on track his reputation will skyrocket and that will get him his dream job at a top European team (preferably Barcelona).

 

Koeman wasn't born with a Southampton flag on his bedroom wall nor a Everton one for that matter and he's just looking to do as good as a job as he can do to get to his dream job at Barca. He's done a cracking job at Soton and deserves the plaudits. We gave him the credit at Feyenoord and so should you imo.

[hypochondriac]

The reason he's going is what a lot of you guys are saying. Maybe Everton is a bigger club but Southampton have surely been a better club.

 

He jumped in at Soton at the worst time possible after a few good seasons and losing most top quality players, but absolutely delivered the results on and off the pitch (signings etc) despite those difficulties. It's almost been a perfect period for him. I'm sure he knows he can't get the resources at Soton to take the next step so what if he stays and one or two players leave again and one or two signings don't deliver as expected next season? Soton could easily be a mid-table team and he would then be labled an average manager, come under pressure and potentially lose his job.

 

At Everton he's likely to get 4x the budget + 4x the salary that Southampton can offer and he jumps in at the best time possible. Everton have a decent squad that's been underperforming over the last 2 years and there are serious opportunities there. If he gets them back on track his reputation will skyrocket and that will get him his dream job at a top European team (preferably Barcelona).

 

Koeman wasn't born with a Southampton flag on his bedroom wall nor a Everton one for that matter and he's just looking to do as good as a job as he can do to get to his dream job at Barca. He's done a cracking job at Soton and deserves the plaudits. We gave him the credit at Feyenoord and so should you imo.

To be fair mate he almost certainly would have got the plaudits and wished well had he left at the end of next season and saw his contract out like he said he would.

[Feyenoord1908]

To be fair mate he almost certainly would have got the plaudits and wished well had he left at the end of next season and saw his contract out like he said he would.

 

This is football right? These things happen. Managers don't admit interest in another job while at a club. Clubs commit to managers as well with contracts and plenty of managers get the sack after a vote of confidence while still under contract. Koeman didn't resign with a bull**** reason to join another club and Soton get a very nice fee for his services. Move on to the next manager.

[Saint Charlie]

Maybe in terms of last season he was right.

 

But from everything we have seen with Koeman and other pieces about Moshiri's plans I think Everton over the next 10 years will be quite different to Everton before.

 

Lets see how they go.

[Mr Biscuits]

The 'we've got a better history than you' argument has always made me laugh.

 

It's entirely irrelevant. Koeman is not going to win the 95 FA Cup with Everton so the whole chest beating and tub thumping about who won what X years go means nothing.

What matters is next season and he's going to have his work cut out to build that squad into anything close to what Saints have now.

[notnowcato]

This is football right? These things happen. Managers don't admit interest in another job while at a club. Clubs commit to managers as well with contracts and plenty of managers get the sack after a vote of confidence while still under contract. Koeman didn't resign with a bull**** reason to join another club and Soton get a very nice fee for his services. Move on to the next manager.

 

I think ambition has been mistranslated to mean Dollar in Dutch.

 

I don't blame him for this but would Ron go to Everton for the same wage as he was being offered at Saints?

[Fan The Flames]

The reason he's going is what a lot of you guys are saying. Maybe Everton is a bigger club but Southampton have surely been a better club.

 

He jumped in at Soton at the worst time possible after a few good seasons and losing most top quality players, but absolutely delivered the results on and off the pitch (signings etc) despite those difficulties. It's almost been a perfect period for him. I'm sure he knows he can't get the resources at Soton to take the next step so what if he stays and one or two players leave again and one or two signings don't deliver as expected next season? Soton could easily be a mid-table team and he would then be labled an average manager, come under pressure and potentially lose his job.

 

At Everton he's likely to get 4x the budget + 4x the salary that Southampton can offer and he jumps in at the best time possible. Everton have a decent squad that's been underperforming over the last 2 years and there are serious opportunities there. If he gets them back on track his reputation will skyrocket and that will get him his dream job at a top European team (preferably Barcelona).

 

Koeman wasn't born with a Southampton flag on his bedroom wall nor a Everton one for that matter and he's just looking to do as good as a job as he can do to get to his dream job at Barca. He's done a cracking job at Soton and deserves the plaudits. We gave him the credit at Feyenoord and so should you imo.

 

 

This is is exactly it and it's why I'm not too bothered. RK MO all along has been what is best for his long term vision of his career and it makes absolute sense to go to Everton at this point. He gets another grace period that he wouldn't get at SFC and he can improve them and the big wage packet just helps to underpin his big reputation, it ticks all the boxes in his quest for the Barca job.

 

I'm under no illusion that we can get a manger that will bleed red and white, but it would be nice to have someone who isn't insistent on carving out a path somewhere else. But if we were good for RK, he was good for us; he steady the ship in our summer melt down and has left us in a better position and with a season of European football to enjoy. I don't like it that he's left, but I'm excited about the next guy and just hope he is as good as the last couple of managers and I hope he is a bit more committed to us and I really hope those two things are not mutually exclusive.

[Saint Billy]

Not bothered either way.

Edited 8 June, 2016 by Saint Billy

[Cabrone]

We gave him the credit at Feyenoord and so should you imo.

 

I do, I think he's done a fantastic job and no hard feelings - that's football.

 

I do wonder though if he may be joining a circus, Everton are crossing their fingers and giving one manager licence to spend £100M whilst the fans have exceeding high expectations. He won't get much of a honeymoon and if they pull the ejector seat they will inherit a new manager who probably won't have much money and had no say over the players he has.

 

I prefer the SFC approach which appears more stable, strategic and long term.

 

Time will tell.