Will there be a personnel impact?

[Saint Charlie]

Would Koeman leaving have any impact on others? Quite a few of the players in the squad have signed during Koeman's tenure but these days players are used to the short tenure of Managers so it is probably water off a ducks back for most, except for any who had a particularly good relationship with him.

 

We will get the usual, tired exodus reports like in The Sun today, but whilst we aren't now set for the "stable" summer Les Reed spoke of in the ill fated end of season interview, it seems unlikely that will happen unless they made a woeful appointment which again seems very unlikely.

 

Assuming generally there won't be a huge impact, here are a few potentially interesting situations:

 

Dave Watson - brought in by Reed and hugely influential in Forster coming here (and potentially staying?). Could Koeman try and tempt him to Goodison and would any new Manager here be happy to inherit a member of staff rather than bring his own? Koeman gave Watson quite a lot of responsibility on set plays and other details that a GK coach usually wouldn't be involved in so hopefully the new Manager doesn't scale back his involvement too much.

 

VVD - at the point he signed his new deal he presumably was told by the Club and Koeman that he (RK) would be here next season so potentially could feel a bit aggrieved if he is even bothered about it at all. (Not that contracts mean much as Vardy situation is showing).

 

Fonte/S. Davis - They have been through the Pochettino departure and that summers events and been quite clear that it was a difficult time and they questioned then Club until RK came in. Could they be a bit tired of all the change and repetition of it all? Both have recently stated how key it was to tie Koeman down although must trust the Club.

 

Otherwise the likes of Wanyama (who could interest Everton), Mane and Pelle were likely off anyway and nobody else aside from Bertrand, Long & Tadic is probably good enough to attract attention from anyone better than us in the unlikely event of being unsettled.

 

As an aside, hopefully we deal with Everton in the same way we did with Spurs i.e not selling anyone to them.

Edited 4 June, 2016 by Saint Charlie

[eelpie]

The last sentence - yes

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Yep all over throw in the towel now, save our dignity

 

Seriously though, you are absolutely loving this at the moment aren't you

 

Soothsayer of doom

[Saint Charlie]

Yep all over throw in the towel now, save our dignity

 

Seriously though, you are absolutely loving this at the moment aren't you

 

Soothsayer of doom

I don't think you have read the post. It isn't negative at all.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

I don't think you have read the post. It isn't negative at all.

 

It's implying a negative response to the departure

[Saint Charlie]

It's implying a negative response to the departure

Play the post not the poster or at least highlight the specifics you feel are negative.

 

You won't find any that aren't valid, considered, balanced points.

[shurlock]

It's implying a negative response to the departure

 

Pal - are you bang on it today?

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Pal - are you bang on it today?

 

.....

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Play the post not the poster or at least highlight the specifics you feel are negative.

 

You won't find any that aren't valid, considered, balanced points.

 

Perhaps it's also possible to be the opposite too but you wouldn't post that

[Dig Dig]

Perhaps it's also possible to be the opposite too but you wouldn't post that

 

Neither would you as it's well beyond your limitations.

[Saint_Tony]

Have there not been more stories previously about players having issues with Koeman?

 

To be honest it looks to me like a few will be leaving regardless. After all, we are nothing but a 'showcase' club who are a fantastic stepping stone for any good player or manager.

 

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[pangy]

Surprisingly the ones that were Koeman signings (Tadic & Pelle) are probably the ones most happy to see him go.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Neither would you as it's well beyond your limitations.

 

[Saint Charlie]

Few posters really are in their element. Must have been so bored all season waiting for this.

Did you even read the post?

[Saint Charlie]

Right now all you're doing is asking questions no one has any answers to, speculating that more doom could be round the corner, no different from an article in the sun.

 

1. Surely speculation is what the forum is for?

 

2. If you read the post you will find I said what was written in The Sun won't happen IMO.

 

3. Its not a doom post whatsoever. It suggests there will be a relatively minor impact.

 

Read it first before using the usual stereotypes.

[Dig Dig]

Ridiculous not to consider the source of the post. It's a forum and there will be trolls and wind up merchants, or just badly thought out humour. When you get to your number of posts, and mine, you can't really complain about the way you're viewed.

 

Your frequent revelling in any bad news for saints is going to taint the way people take in any points. Right now all you're doing is asking questions no one has any answers to, speculating that more doom could be round the corner, no different from an article in the sun. It's just I get why they do it, it's provocative news and they don't care about saints. You suggest you do.

 

Speculating like this you mean:

 

Yes I'm aware of that. So just keep risking it until it goes wrong then? Unproven players may work or may not, that's what it means. Proven players will probably keep doing pretty well! So if you're good at recruitment, use it to enhance what you have not start over every summer.

 

You're not being a hypocrite are you?

[Saint Charlie]

Unfortunately I did. I should have learned not to bother by now with certain people right?

Which bit was so terrible then?

[Saint Charlie]

Van Dijk:

 

[Whitey Grandad]

Van Dijk:

 

 

Does he consider the Euros to be a four week vacation?

[Saint_clark]

Does he consider the Euros to be a four week vacation?

 

They didn't qualify?

[EBS1980]

I imagine Erwin and Jan will leave to go to Everton with him but would like to see Sam and Dave stay on. Allows the new boss to bring in a couple of his own staff too.

[a1ex2001]

I imagine Erwin and Jan will leave to go to Everton with him but would like to see Sam and Dave stay on. Allows the new boss to bring in a couple of his own staff too.

 

This we should simply stipulate as part of the terms of letting him speak to Everton and I would also make it clear that no player fiollows him this transfer window, unless of course he wants to start the bidding for victor at 30mil!

[doddisalegend]

This we should simply stipulate as part of the terms of letting him speak to Everton and I would also make it clear that no player fiollows him this transfer window, unless of course he wants to start the bidding for victor at 30mil!

 

I'd be surprised if Vic sees his future at Everton, always got the impression he thinks he is a big six player, on the other hand if Everton want to make him the 6th best player in the world I'm sure he will be interested.

[Whitey Grandad]

They didn't qualify?

 

Good point, but please don't confuse me with technicalities.

[cobbysouth]

We all wanted koeman to stay, koeman hasn't stayed and continously finding player and manager replacements for cheaper and better surely can't work forever, perfectly reasonable for fans to be a little concerned. The people not allowing fans to express this concern on a fan forum is pretty ridiculous. If not for us to rest each others mind then use it for some good quotes when we finish 5th next season. We march on!

[niceandfriendly]

Managers always take their backroom staff, and our new boss will expect the same treatment. So we'll lose Sammy Lee, Watson, Erwin (obviously) and Jan Kleitenburg (sp?). The players I'm not so sure, I reckon they might be a bit more loyal...

 

Wait did I just use the word loyal about footballers? I'm an idiot.

[niceandfriendly]

Oh and if we lose Forbesy then we're really fooked.

[Saint Charlie]

Managers always take their backroom staff, and our new boss will expect the same treatment. So we'll lose Sammy Lee, Watson, Erwin (obviously) and Jan Kleitenburg (sp?). The players I'm not so sure, I reckon they might be a bit more loyal...

 

Wait did I just use the word loyal about footballers? I'm an idiot.

Lee and Watson probably won't be part of the initial deal I don't think. Lee is unlikely to be wanted at Everton.

 

Anyone know if their GK coach left with Martinez? If so then highly possible Koeman will try and tempt Watson back to the north with a big pay rise. Lee wouldn't both me either way but Watson is very key in Forster being happy here and has done a good job by all accounts.

[Give it to Ron]

Lee and Watson probably won't be part of the initial deal I don't think. Lee is unlikely to be wanted at Everton.

 

Anyone know if their GK coach left with Martinez? If so then highly possible Koeman will try and tempt Watson back to the north with a big pay rise. Lee wouldn't both me either way but Watson is very key in Forster being happy here and has done a good job by all accounts.

 

Reed told a forum I was at Watson and Lee are employed by club and not part of Koemans team. Am sure we would stipulate they remain for continuity well if Reed wants them to.

 

 

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[Pamplemousse]

Sammy Lee will 100% not go to Everton. He's from the red half of Merseyside.

 

Dave Watson is a different situation and Everton need a new GK coach. Hopefully we keep him but if not then I'm sure the new manager will bring someone suitable in.

[Saint Charlie]

Reed told a forum I was at Watson and Lee are employed by club and not part of Koemans team. Am sure we would stipulate they remain for continuity well if Reed wants them to.

 

 

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I'm certain we would want to keep Watson, largely due to his influence on Forster. Nothing we could really do if he did get a financially lucrative offer though I guess.

 

Cheers for the info.

[Saint Charlie]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/everton-poised-confirm-new-manager-8127187

 

Possibly interested in VVD and JWP.

 

NB: Media opinion, not my own.

[Pengi]

Getting a bit worried about the Bertrand injury - remember the club saying Chambers was ill when he was at Arsenal

[S-Clarke]

Getting a bit worried about the Bertrand injury - remember the club saying Chambers was ill when he was at Arsenal

 

He's on England duty. Nothing to do with us if he plays or not.

[tajjuk]

We won't sell to Everton and I can't see any of our players making a fuss about moving to them.

 

I mean they are Everton, not Utd or Arsenal or Man City, they are further away from trophies and champions league than we are.

 

Plus I don't think they can afford our players, their whole squad needs rejuvenating, you don't build a whole squad with a £100 million these days and they are likely to have their 3 best players poached. I wouldn't be surprised if Stones did what Morgan did last year, agree to stay for one more year and will definitely be sold this year.

 

Plus Lukaku has already pretty much said hes gone.

 

Key for us is get our new manager and hopefully a good one in before the Euros end, not much transfer activity will happen until then. So if all our players come back to pre-season training with someone like Emery or De Boer, then all this will be forgotten and none of them will give two hoots about Everton.

[Saint Charlie]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/everton-agree-ronald-koeman-deal-8135351

 

Mirror says Saints wanted a clause to stop Everton coming in for any of our players but under the rules its not enforceable.

 

Suggests VVD is a major target for Everton, but is probably speculative. Quite repetitive from yesterday to be honest.

Edited 7 June, 2016 by Saint Charlie

[trousers]

A conspiracy theory has just occurred to me...

 

I just re-watched the club's recent 'Koeman contract talks' YouTube video (the one below) and in it Reed states that Koeman was closely involved in the decisions as to who to offer new contracts to. Perhaps Koeman singled out the players that he thought he might want to take to Everton with him (i.e. VvD, Forster and Ward-Prowse) in the knowledge that the new contracts would have release clauses inserted which would then make it easier for Everton to buy them if they stumped up enough cash to trigger said clauses. (I'm making an assumption that the original contracts didn't have release clauses and the new ones do)

 

Just me thinking out loud as per usual. I'll keep taking the tablets....

 

[video=youtube;_yVFjq1Sw-Q]

Edited 8 June, 2016 by trousers

[Saint Garrett]

Charlie is the new Alpine/Dalek.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Whitey Grandad]

A conspiracy theory has just occurred to me...

 

I just re-watched the club's recent 'Koeman contract talks' YouTube video (the one below) and in it Reed states that Koeman was closely involved in the decisions as to who to offer new contracts to. Perhaps Koeman singled out the players that he thought he might want to take to Everton with him (i.e. VvD, Forster and Ward-Prowse) in the knowledge that the new contracts would have release clauses inserted which would then make it easier for Everton to buy them if they stumped up enough cash to trigger said clauses. (I'm making an assumption that the original contracts didn't have release clauses and the new ones do)

 

Just me thinking out loud as per usual. I'll keep taking the tablets....

 

[video=youtube;_yVFjq1Sw-Q]

 

That would only work if the values in the release clauses were lower than our valuations of the players. Normally the longer the contract the higher the value.

[trousers]

That would only work if the values in the release clauses were lower than our valuations of the players. Normally the longer the contract the higher the value.

 

The difference I was attempting to highlight is that having a release clause takes away our choice on the matter. Without such clauses we could/would/should tell the bidding club to sod off (something we'd particular want to do if Koeman and Everton came calling), regardless of what the player's value is deemed to be.

[bpsaint]

If Dave Watson goes I wonder if the club will take the cheap option and give Kelv the backroom role he's after.

[Navysaint]

If my memory serves me correct then these contract extensions VvD, FF and JWP were signed at the start of May. Therefore at that time Martinez was still Evertons Manager and Ronald K was still Southamptons and making noises about extending his contract during the summer. So not even scratching the sand here but did he insist that he wanted those three to get extended contracts to keep the club in with his expectations that he didn't want those sold in the summer? Just a thought, as not a conspiracy theorist.

[Dig Dig]

The difference I was attempting to highlight is that having a release clause takes away our choice on the matter. Without such clauses we could/would/should tell the bidding club to sod off (something we'd particular want to do if Koeman and Everton came calling), regardless of what the player's value is deemed to be.

 

I would imagine that triggering the clauses in the three contracts as an example could set them back something anywhere between £70-80M so doable if their alleged transfer kitty is accurate. I wouldn't say that there was anything intentional from Koemans side though when the players signed.

 

Hopefully the clause will include another qualifier like bids from Champions League clubs or from the continent.

[Whitey Grandad]

The difference I was attempting to highlight is that having a release clause takes away our choice on the matter. Without such clauses we could/would/should tell the bidding club to sod off (something we'd particular want to do if Koeman and Everton came calling), regardless of what the player's value is deemed to be.

 

That's fair enough. Of course we're not talking about used cars here, these are footballers who may not exactly have minds of their own but whose heads can be easily turned or even transported off to another city entirely.

[Saint Charlie]

I would imagine that triggering the clauses in the three contracts as an example could set them back something anywhere between £70-80M so doable if their alleged transfer kitty is accurate. I wouldn't say that there was anything intentional from Koemans side though when the players signed.

 

Hopefully the clause will include another qualifier like bids from Champions League clubs or from the continent.

In the case of VVD he had 4 years left of his old contract anyway so hardly likely Saints would have inserted a clause that allowed him to leave relatively easily - thats usually what happens when you are desperate for someone to sign an extension to stop them leaving for free.

[Winnersaint]

If Everton are prepared to throw enough money at players in the same vein as they did to get Koeman, release clauses will be triggered. If this is backed up by contracts which are significantly greater than those paid by Saints then whoever Everton come for they will get. There is no loyalty in football. Whatever we feel about this approach, whether is ethical or economically sensible matters not. I think Everton have looked at us and seen a quick fix to the top and are prepared to chuck ridiculous sums at it to get Koeman and I fear key playing personnel. Hope I am wrong.

Edited 8 June, 2016 by Winnersaint

[Saint Without a Halo]

If there are release clauses and I think these are unlikely as they are usually inserted by an international player going to a club that he thinks is beneath his level or likely to get relegated the buying club puts them in as they want the player for at least a season

As all the players extending here were already here and had more than one year left on their contracts we have agreed to pay them more to keep them settled I doubt we would have therefore allowed a release clause to be inserted

 

Even if we did we would set it at above our current valuation for the player and if Everton were silly enough to pay it then so be it

[sadoldgit]

Just watched the recent video interview with MLT where he made the point that players sign for clubs, not managers, and that is where there loyalties lie. Managers do not pay their wages.