Saint86 Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 Can people please stop buying the PR BS that the club put out. Seriously. The warning signs were there for most surely when Les Reed spontaneously decided to put out a PR piece saying that, 'everyone was on board and that we'd stepped up and were looking to push on to europa etc.' He does it every time... As soon as he made that video and released it surely people twigged by now that their was bad news coming?!?!! Its his pattern, big up the club, himself and how well things are going and that way he has his positive spin on it before the real stories get out there. Its a very subtle character assassination and then afterwards they use club sources like blackmore to force it home. The truth is somewhere in the murky area of Koeman wasn't doing what Les wanted over the academy, there was trouble behind the scenes with a few players, mid season blip, we aren't paying Koeman what he feels he's worth and what Everton are paying him is ridiculous. Now I am not saying that I want to club to spend irresponsibly to get things done. I am happy we don't. But what I hate is the way that man thinks he can undermine every edifice of the club that falls out of line with him. He does the same trick every time and sets them up to be the fall guys before the bad news gets out. It is his job to drive the club onwards which he has continued... but it also his job to get key players and staff on board for the long haul and he has repeatedly failed in this. Rather than play these games and undermine fan favourites he should just be bloody honest about it. It is a really shoddy way to treat both the players/staff involved and the fans. Les did it immediately before Lambert (right before ST deadline), lallana, shaw, chambers etc all left. He did it with Clyne as a carbon copy of "poch's contract" saga... And he's done it again with Ronald. Its the same crap routine every time and frankly every time he speaks to the mass fanbase without need is a sign that there is bad news coming. Most fans have cottoned on to this now at least, and you can even see it on the daily mail threads where saints fans are laying it at his feet and pointing to his interview as the sign. He is sadly a chronic liar and I can't stand it about him! But when all is said and done, he is our Levy. A complete shiester and knife in the shadows, but he is continuously guiding the club onwards. I don't knock him for that, he has done a good job for us since Cortese left all in all. But I just wish the fans would see him for what he is rather than some fecking almighty "do no wrong" saviour. All these players and managers that leave us are not bad people, the club actively set them up as the fall guys to cover themselves from fan discontent at what the board see as our limits. The fans want more, the board can't deliver it, and therefore they blame everything they can rather than just accept it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 But we have pushed on to Europa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 If you don't like the PR BS, then you don't have to buy into it and don't have to support the club. Alternatively, if you don't like the way the club is run, then take it over and run it in the manner you want to. So bored of the constant criticism of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 Complete and utter shambles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 He is full of sh1te. As soon as the club announced the new contracts I knew it was a makeweight for bad news. That was then confirmed by that awful PR piece on Koemans talks came out; classic "get our version of events out first before he does" scenario. To then blame it all on a new agent, Koeman etc is rubbish, pure fantasy. I've no doubt 7m helps turn someone's head but at least make a concerted effort to keep the person responsible for rebuilding the team, two highest points totals, twice qualified for Europe and with a net transfer spend. We're getting very cocky, we cannot do this every year, aim to get better and rely on the blueprint. At some point, we must see that continuity is better than annual upheaval. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 Complete and utter shambles. I am trying to put this tactfully and respectfully but why don't you fck off you pathetic cnt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 Is this the meltdown thread for this summer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 Quite possibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 He is full of sh1te. As soon as the club announced the new contracts I knew it was a makeweight for bad news. That was then confirmed by that awful PR piece on Koemans talks came out; classic "get our version of events out first before he does" scenario. To then blame it all on a new agent, Koeman etc is rubbish, pure fantasy. I've no doubt 7m helps turn someone's head but at least make a concerted effort to keep the person responsible for rebuilding the team, two highest points totals, twice qualified for Europe and with a net transfer spend. We're getting very cocky, we cannot do this every year, aim to get better and rely on the blueprint. At some point, we must see that continuity is better than annual upheaval. Just a question.... how do you know how contract talks progressed between the club and Koeman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 He is full of sh1te. As soon as the club announced the new contracts I knew it was a makeweight for bad news. That was then confirmed by that awful PR piece on Koemans talks came out; classic "get our version of events out first before he does" scenario. To then blame it all on a new agent, Koeman etc is rubbish, pure fantasy. I've no doubt 7m helps turn someone's head but at least make a concerted effort to keep the person responsible for rebuilding the team, two highest points totals, twice qualified for Europe and with a net transfer spend. We're getting very cocky, we cannot do this every year, aim to get better and rely on the blueprint. At some point, we must see that continuity is better than annual upheaval. What I think is really lovely is you genuinely think the club haven't made a concerted effort to keep our current manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 Loads of assumptions going on here, made by people who have been waiting for approximately 12 months to stick the boot in. Give them their 6 weeks or so, then they'll vanish until next summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 Just a question.... how do you know how contract talks progressed between the club and Koeman? If they'd gone well he'd either have signed by now or reiterated his intentions that he wanted to. As soon as I saw the Les video though I knew he was just weaseling his version out his first before RK went Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teacher Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 I am trying to put this tactfully and respectfully but why don't you fck off you pathetic cnt? I think it is a shambles. I also think that you are a sorry excuse for a human being, everyone is allowed their opinion. This forum doesn't need people like you on it, so do one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 agreed with regards to him needing to keep his mouth shut... looks like a plonker... i'm going to reserve judgement till i see the new man in place though, i think we got lucky in 2014, as VVD aside 2015 was a relatively poor transfer window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 Loads of assumptions going on here, made by people who have been waiting for approximately 12 months to stick the boot in. Give them their 6 weeks or so, then they'll vanish until next summer. The club have been in total and utter decline since the day Cortese left just like I said they would be and I'm right I'm right I'm right I'm right I'm right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 The club have been in total and utter decline since the day Cortese left just like I said they would be and I'm right I'm right I'm right I'm right I'm right. You're weirdly bitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 If they'd gone well he'd either have signed by now or reiterated his intentions that he wanted to. As soon as I saw the Les video though I knew he was just weaseling his version out his first before RK went So you have no idea how they went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 You're weirdly bitter. I think that would be you sunshine. Enjoy yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 I think that would be you sunshine. Enjoy yourself. Haha, OK. Weird internet bully. Every sip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 Is this the meltdown thread for this summer? This is probably one of many Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 #wemelton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 So you have no idea how they went. Nope I wasn't there if that's what you mean. That said, there's probably a fair few more like me who thought the same as soon as that PR guff came out. Anyway, let's just hope they replace him well. At the very least, they do have a decent track record of appointments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 I think it is a shambles. I also think that you are a sorry excuse for a human being, everyone is allowed their opinion. This forum doesn't need people like you on it, so do one! Sorry who the fck are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 I am trying to put this tactfully and respectfully but why don't you fck off you pathetic cnt? I'd like to put this nicely too but respect other people's opinions and get an education Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 Haha, OK. Weird internet bully. Every sip. Odd. Meanwhile, I want our club to succeed and support the people trying to make that happen. Try it sometime. More refreshing that what you're sipping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 Sorry who the fck are you? Who the hell are you? Are you able to post without swearing you pathetic man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 Maybe two years of working with him and his "positive talks" is the limit for most managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 Odd. Meanwhile, I want our club to succeed and support the people trying to make that happen. Try it sometime. More refreshing that what you're sipping. Did you know... I want the same thing and while that may be case, we have differing opinions. That happens in life. I think that sometimes, however, you just aren't as accepting of other people's opinions as perhaps you could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 Did you know... I want the same thing and while that may be case, we have differing opinions. That happens in life. I think that sometimes, however, you just aren't as accepting of other people's opinions as perhaps you could be. There's having an opinion and then there's trying to shove your own agenda down other peoples throats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 Who the hell are you? Are you able to post without swearing you pathetic man. I am able to just about but then I get this uncontrollable urge to shout cnts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 Did you know... I want the same thing and while that may be case, we have differing opinions. That happens in life. I think that sometimes, however, you just aren't as accepting of other people's opinions as perhaps you could be. Don't differ from me your spot on mate. S-Clarke I've not been convinced about board last two years despite our success so not changed. Nice people but not sure they have it to take us further or even stay at this level. Hope I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 Dontcha just love this time of year? The hilarious entertainment surpasses the actual playing season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the boy from saints Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 I do think it's pretty hard to criticise Les when we've been on an unprecedented run of football league improvement since himself and the Liebers came together. If Ron wants to follow the path of greed it's not Les's fault. Ultimately he/we want commitment to the club not commitment to cash. Ron can f**k off if his current millions aren't enough...how much more does he/his agent need? Greed doesn't make a good manager. Passion, commitment and, ambition does- Les knows this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 There's having an opinion and then there's trying to shove your own agenda down other peoples throats. Yes, and then there is trolling the f()ck out of someone for having a differing opinion and relentlessly not letting go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 I am able to just about but then I get this uncontrollable urge to shout cnts Okay. Ignore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 Don't differ from me your spot on mate. S-Clarke I've not been convinced about board last two years despite our success so not changed. Nice people but not sure they have it to take us further or even stay at this level. Hope I'm wrong. But they've taken us further 2 years running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 Dontcha just love this time of year? The hilarious entertainment surpasses the actual playing season. No I hate it tbh. Would rather we didn't sell every summer like we do and lose key people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 Nope I wasn't there if that's what you mean. That said, there's probably a fair few more like me who thought the same as soon as that PR guff came out. Anyway, let's just hope they replace him well. At the very least, they do have a decent track record of appointments. Yes, let's hope so. The management of the club (ie boardroom) has created a very attractive club to work at. We tend to forget that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 But they've taken us further 2 years running. They picked Koeman and I think he's done well inspite of them on many things tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 Don't differ from me your spot on mate. S-Clarke I've not been convinced about board last two years despite our success so not changed. Nice people but not sure they have it to take us further or even stay at this level. Hope I'm wrong. Thanks, Roger. Let's just hope it all works out eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 Don't differ from me your spot on mate. S-Clarke I've not been convinced about board last two years despite our success so not changed. Nice people but not sure they have it to take us further or even stay at this level. Hope I'm wrong. You are wrong. We went further last year and further again this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 Yes, and then there is trolling the f()ck out of someone for having a differing opinion and relentlessly not letting go. You've got Roger so it's all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 Yes, let's hope so. The management of the club (ie boardroom) has created a very attractive club to work at. We tend to forget that. Not attractive enough to keep chambers, Clyne, Toby, Shaw, Lovren, Morgan, lallana, lambert, mark Radcliffe Physio, Paul Mitchell, poch and Koeman and it seems wanyama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 Yes, let's hope so. The management of the club (ie boardroom) has created a very attractive club to work at. We tend to forget that. In between being trolled, it's nice to actually have a conversation with someone who is a bit more optimistic than myself, thank you. And yes, I do agree, the club is an attractive proposition to any prospective, suitable candidate. I've got some faith we'll choose a good one, though I'm bitterly disappointed we'll be losing someone who I think would have stayed and helped maintain or at least replicate our past 2-3 seasons. I'd rather continuity but sadly, that seems unlikely now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 You've got Roger so it's all good. Resulting to petty arguments. I hope I'm wrong but I think the board can do better and I'm worried as I love club. You think it's okay. That's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 You've got Roger so it's all good. Every sip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 Thanks, Roger. Let's just hope it all works out eh? Bless. Although you know deep down you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 In between being trolled, it's nice to actually have a conversation with someone who is a bit more optimistic than myself, thank you. And yes, I do agree, the club is an attractive proposition to any prospective, suitable candidate. I've got some faith we'll choose a good one, though I'm bitterly disappointed we'll be losing someone who I think would have stayed and helped maintain or at least replicate our past 2-3 seasons. I'd rather continuity but sadly, that seems unlikely now. Also, if we get anyone good they will be gone as soon as someone comes in for them but I think under our conditions, it's almost impossible to match Koemans achievements here. Poch didn't have to sell under Cortese and had lots of investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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