david in sweden Posted 31 May, 2016 Share Posted 31 May, 2016 ....this headline looks like a " space-filler " in the Echo - doesn't it ? OK ...from the time that Victor Wanyama asked for a transfer last summer ..and later refused a contract extension it must be obvious that he wants away. Not sure how much his agent is getting on the deal.....or how much Victor will earn, but it's certain that his wallet (sorry his head) is already at White Hart Lane. He'll almost certainly leave as soon as we reach... July 2nd, and hopefully we will make his new club pay well for the privilege. Graziano Pelle......will look back on his career and admit that had Ronald Koeman not pulled him out of the Dutch league and given him his chance in the Prem. he'd still be in the wilderness....and the very idea of playing no. 9 for Italy was only a pipe-dream. So why are people shocked to think that he also wants away. Everything has gone well for Pelle...and in retrospect, I wouldn't deny him the last chance to play at the top level in his homeland....(shades of Rickie Lambert) HDAJFU - when it mattered. We should recover our original outlay ...plus a £ bit (hopefully) and get a replacement a year or two younger. Cuco Martina ....captain of a third World footballing nation....(FIFA ranked 149 a while ago) and undoubtedly DAJF Erwin in Holland in the past, and the £1 million fee didn't break the bank. It's difficult to disagree with the majority who said he isn't Prem.standard, but he managed to keep Cedric out of the team, and whatever else we say ..no-one is likely to forget his Goal of the Season. A 2 year contract was a reasonable deal, but I doubt if he can expect a 2 year extension. There can't be many people who weren't aware of the basic facts..... so Echo .......where is the dilemma ? ...it all seems fairly obvious to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 31 May, 2016 Share Posted 31 May, 2016 Too long a post IMO, poor grammar and you could include the link for those who haven't seen it. 3/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 31 May, 2016 Share Posted 31 May, 2016 Too long a post IMO, poor grammar and you could include the link for those who haven't seen it. 3/10 Or he could post a thread about selling someone to use the cash elsewhere, that would be great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananaman Posted 31 May, 2016 Share Posted 31 May, 2016 Too long a post IMO, poor grammar and you could include the link for those who haven't seen it. 3/10 Did this make you feel big? or somehow validate your own sense of self-worth within the sphere of this forum? If you didn't like the OP don't comment on it... (I am aware of some hypocrisy at this point). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 31 May, 2016 Author Share Posted 31 May, 2016 Too long a post IMO, poor grammar and you could include the link for those who haven't seen it. 3/10 .....you mean ....like the Echo's website ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 31 May, 2016 Share Posted 31 May, 2016 Did this make you feel big? or somehow validate your own sense of self-worth within the sphere of this forum? If you didn't like the OP don't comment on it... (I am aware of some hypocrisy at this point). LOL - nice to see a bit of honesty. Re the OP, papers need to sensationalise things. Click bait exposes you to adverts which pays for things. Write something with a controversial headline and you reel in a lot of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 31 May, 2016 Author Share Posted 31 May, 2016 LOL - nice to see a bit of honesty. Re the OP, papers need to sensationalise things. Click bait exposes you to adverts which pays for things. Write something with a controversial headline and you reel in a lot of people. Of course I understand that, but do they need to make it sound like the club is imploding, and there will be a mass exodus ..again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 31 May, 2016 Share Posted 31 May, 2016 Of course I understand that, but do they need to make it sound like the club is imploding, and there will be a mass exodus ..again? That's not even remotely suggested in the headline or story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 31 May, 2016 Share Posted 31 May, 2016 Did this make you feel big? or somehow validate your own sense of self-worth within the sphere of this forum? If you didn't like the OP don't comment on it... (I am aware of some hypocrisy at this point). I read the OP, thought it was a load of ****e and said so. Thats how the forum works. Usually like Davie's posts but this was a tired one after a long season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 31 May, 2016 Share Posted 31 May, 2016 I read the OP, thought it was a load of ****e and said so. Thats how the forum works. Usually like Davie's posts but this was a tired one after a long season. But you whine like a tart if your posts get picked on.....bit hypocritical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 31 May, 2016 Share Posted 31 May, 2016 But you whine like a tart if your posts get picked on.....bit hypocritical Not really. I'm happy for people to disagree with my opinions. Again, that is the point of the forum. Its the people who don't have an opinion who are the hypocrites IMO. Anyway, what did you think of the Echo headline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 31 May, 2016 Share Posted 31 May, 2016 Of course you do:rolleyes: I take very little notice of newspapers as they have to sensationalise as they are always old news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 31 May, 2016 Share Posted 31 May, 2016 I take very little notice of newspapers as they have to sensationalise as they are always old news True in many cases, not all though. Out of interest which sources do you value for Saints/football news? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 31 May, 2016 Share Posted 31 May, 2016 True in many cases, not all though. Out of interest which sources do you value for Saints/football news? For news or speculation? News is best when it's fact so the saints official site Speculation....I look on here for that especially from you if it's negative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 31 May, 2016 Share Posted 31 May, 2016 For news or speculation? News is best when it's fact so the saints official site Speculation....I look on here for that especially from you if it's negative Good stuff. Its not official till its on the OS so best wait for that and I can deliver the bad news for you so you have both sides covered. Hearing Dortmund are in for VVD as a Hummels replacement actually. His new deal contained a release clause apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 31 May, 2016 Author Share Posted 31 May, 2016 Good stuff. Its not official till its on the OS so best wait for that and I can deliver the bad news for you so you have both sides covered. Hearing Dortmund are in for VVD as a Hummels replacement actually. His new deal contained a release clause apparently. source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 31 May, 2016 Share Posted 31 May, 2016 apparently. That's a bit tabloid, isn't it? Mind you, my opinion is that Saint Charlie is a bit that way.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 31 May, 2016 Share Posted 31 May, 2016 (edited) That's a bit tabloid, isn't it? Mind you, my opinion is that Saint Charlie is a bit that way.. Well its clearly a fabricated rumour so yes, very tabloid! Edited 31 May, 2016 by Saint Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Biscuits Posted 1 June, 2016 Share Posted 1 June, 2016 As I said on another thread, the media have to over dramatise everything. There was an article, I think, in the mirror about Wanyama and it used phrases like 'the ongoing transfer saga' and 'Southampton are braced for bids' etc Which is complete rubbish - everyone knows he wants to go, he's given us another season without too much hassle (although there have been moments) and it's obvious where he's going. To phrase it like that article did infers that he has somehow been kept at the club against his will all season and that the club don't want to receive any bids for him at all. Just always keep in mind that the media need you to click on the story or buy the paper because that's what pays their wages. If the headline said 'Wanyama is going to be transferred as expected' it wouldn't sell as many papers or get as many clicks as 'Let me go, pleads Kenyan star' or 'Spurs to place dramatic bid for Wanyama' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 1 June, 2016 Share Posted 1 June, 2016 David, good post as usual. Only issue I have is re GP. He is keen to stay in the Prem' and with us but from what I'm told is after a two year deal. Don't know where the 'wants away' stuff is from, perhaps his agent trying to broker a better contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 1 June, 2016 Share Posted 1 June, 2016 Good stuff. Its not official till its on the OS so best wait for that and I can deliver the bad news for you so you have both sides covered. Hearing Dortmund are in for VVD as a Hummels replacement actually. His new deal contained a release clause apparently. But at least the bad news from you will be fact not your usual negative and speculative interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 1 June, 2016 Share Posted 1 June, 2016 As I said on another thread, the media have to over dramatise everything. There was an article, I think, in the mirror about Wanyama and it used phrases like 'the ongoing transfer saga' and 'Southampton are braced for bids' etc Which is complete rubbish - everyone knows he wants to go, he's given us another season without too much hassle (although there have been moments) and it's obvious where he's going. To phrase it like that article did infers that he has somehow been kept at the club against his will all season and that the club don't want to receive any bids for him at all. Just always keep in mind that the media need you to click on the story or buy the paper because that's what pays their wages. If the headline said 'Wanyama is going to be transferred as expected' it wouldn't sell as many papers or get as many clicks as 'Let me go, pleads Kenyan star' or 'Spurs to place dramatic bid for Wanyama' Have you actually read the Daily Echo article in question? It's pretty evenhanded article. It seems that the only one sensationalising things is our Davo who's seeing things that just aren't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 1 June, 2016 Share Posted 1 June, 2016 But at least the bad news from you will be fact not your usual negative and speculative interpretation. That doesn't even make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 1 June, 2016 Share Posted 1 June, 2016 That doesn't even make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 1 June, 2016 Share Posted 1 June, 2016 That doesn't even make sense? Have you the link/source re your comment about VVD to Dortmund? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 1 June, 2016 Share Posted 1 June, 2016 Well this threads going well, as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonicBoom Posted 1 June, 2016 Share Posted 1 June, 2016 I'd be stunned if we get what we paid for GP plus a little bit more. He's approaching 31 if he's not there already and although he doesn't base his game on speed, he's certainly not going to be getting faster from now on. He's also approaching the last year of his Yes he is playing for Italy now - but as much as I appreciate what he has done for us, that really just shows that Italy don't have strikers of the calibre they've had in the past. We paid around 8 million for him and with one year left plus his age to consider, I would be pleased if we recouped 5 mill. I'd actually expect 4. That said personally I would keep him another year as he's a useful option but I'm not sure he wants to sit on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 1 June, 2016 Share Posted 1 June, 2016 Have you the link/source re your comment about VVD to Dortmund? No. It was fictional in the context of the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 1 June, 2016 Share Posted 1 June, 2016 No. It was fictional in the context of the post. Cheers - I hadn't seen it mentioned anywhere so thought I'd ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 1 June, 2016 Share Posted 1 June, 2016 I'd be stunned if we get what we paid for GP plus a little bit more. He's approaching 31 if he's not there already and although he doesn't base his game on speed, he's certainly not going to be getting faster from now on. He's also approaching the last year of his Yes he is playing for Italy now - but as much as I appreciate what he has done for us, that really just shows that Italy don't have strikers of the calibre they've had in the past. We paid around 8 million for him and with one year left plus his age to consider, I would be pleased if we recouped 5 mill. I'd actually expect 4. That said personally I would keep him another year as he's a useful option but I'm not sure he wants to sit on the bench. I'd rather keep him for a year than get 4m, we finally have a great choice of strikers and are certain to have at least 6 Europa games + cups games next season. Money coming in this year means 4m or leaving on a free after 1 more year will be neither here nor there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 1 June, 2016 Author Share Posted 1 June, 2016 No. It was fictional in the context of the post. Fictional?....you mean made up .....as in ...lie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 1 June, 2016 Share Posted 1 June, 2016 Fictional?....you mean made up .....as in ...lie? Yes. Thought it was obvious in the context of my discussion with ALWAYS_SFC (who IMO is one of the best posters on here). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 1 June, 2016 Share Posted 1 June, 2016 To phrase it like that article did infers that he has somehow been kept at the club against his will all season and that the club don't want to receive any bids for him at all. Aren't both of those things true? You might want to thank the media for informing you that Wanyama wants to leave. They are the only reason it is 'obvious'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 1 June, 2016 Author Share Posted 1 June, 2016 David, good post as usual. Only issue I have is re GP. He is keen to stay in the Prem' and with us but from what I'm told is after a two year deal. Don't know where the 'wants away' stuff is from, perhaps his agent trying to broker a better contract? Hi Norm. It really is difficult to know exactly what is gospel on here and what is just plain lies made up by someone for fun. I have seen a number of varying posts suggesting that Pelle will go to Juventus or ....whoever? Of course it could easily be his agent drumming up interest although a number of Italian clubs might well be open to signing their country's number 9 ...despite his age. If as you suggest he wants to stay, I'd be happy with that. What we need is some competition between our strike quartet, and some cover in case of injury/ loss of form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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