The Cat Posted 24 May, 2016 Posted 24 May, 2016 So we shouldn't believe the words you can clearly see Reed saying? Surely he has earned that respect? He says there are contract talks, Ron's new Agent says there are contract talks and Reed says there is only any point in involving the Agent in specific contract talks once Koeman is aligned to the future plans. Don't get the negativity? Me neither. I just watched the interview and it all seemed fine.
saint lard Posted 24 May, 2016 Posted 24 May, 2016 Ronald will sign a extension to his contract.....we will be chuffed. We will struggle against relegation next season.... Call for Ronald's head..... He will leave. That's football. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Daft Kerplunk Posted 24 May, 2016 Posted 24 May, 2016 (edited) All sounds very positive, especially if things have moved to contracts. Must mean Ronald is happy with the ambition shown or it would have have got that far. *may I qualify that by ambition, I don't mean spending a sack load of money, more that he likes how we are thinking we can progress, be it a mix of keeping existing players, developing the youth further and signing some quality additions. Edited 24 May, 2016 by Daft Kerplunk
the_emu Posted 24 May, 2016 Posted 24 May, 2016 Would have preferred that didn't happen. Better to say nothing until it's done. Almost pandering to the loons on this forum there, Leslie. This. Really what is the value of broadcasting this to the world.... just get the job done.
trousers Posted 24 May, 2016 Posted 24 May, 2016 why can't Les respond to the initial question "how impressed have you been with Koeman" with a straight answer "very impressed"? I think that could be because the clip appears to be an extract from the middle of a longer interview and his answer seemed to be a reiteration and/or elaboration of an earlier answer. That earlier answer to a similar question may well have been more definitive than the one in the clip. In other words, we don't have the context of the full interview to judge the answer to the question in isolation. Possibly.
Saint Charlie Posted 24 May, 2016 Posted 24 May, 2016 I think that could be because the clip appears to be an extract from the middle of a longer interview and his answer seemed to be a reiteration and/or elaboration of an earlier answer. That earlier answer to a similar question may well have been more definitive than the one in the clip. In other words, we don't have the context of the full interview to judge the answer to the question in isolation. Possibly. The You Tube one is surely the full interview?
stknowle Posted 24 May, 2016 Posted 24 May, 2016 To calm neurotic fans? To placate fans who are constantly demanding "communication" on the issue? To put pressure on RK? To fuel speculation to keep bored fans interested? Who knows? But at least something's happening. To make some people think something's happening when really nothing is happening? To make others think nothing is happening because he said something is happening when really something is happening? To make others think nothing is happening by saying something is happening when really nothing is happening? To make others think something is happening by saying something is happening when something really is happening?
doddisalegend Posted 24 May, 2016 Posted 24 May, 2016 Overall it's a nice interview, but why can't Les respond to the initial question "how impressed have you been with Koeman" with a straight answer "very impressed"? And then continue to ay everything else. It seems slightly arrogant to me, like Les and his team want to take the credit themselves and not give too much to Koeman. Maybe they haven't been impressed maybe they are all talking behinds Ron's back about Leicester.....
Saint Charlie Posted 24 May, 2016 Posted 24 May, 2016 Maybe they haven't been impressed maybe they are all talking behinds Ron's back about Leicester..... If they haven't been impressed with Koeman then that would be the biggest worry of all. Reed et al are sensible enough to know exactly how well he has done.
hypochondriac Posted 24 May, 2016 Posted 24 May, 2016 Fed up of videos and interviews like this. I'll celebrate when he signs a new deal.
angelman Posted 24 May, 2016 Posted 24 May, 2016 Who is advocating that, then? What on earth are you going on about now??
SaintMB Posted 24 May, 2016 Posted 24 May, 2016 I love the way some posters go all CSI on these vids. "At 1:34.56 you can clearly see Les raise an eyebrow 14 degrees. A CLEAR indication that he's spinning a yarn".
SO16_Saint Posted 24 May, 2016 Posted 24 May, 2016 This thread epitomises all that is wrong with the world, over analysing of every minute detail to the nth degree
Whitey Grandad Posted 24 May, 2016 Posted 24 May, 2016 This thread epitomises all that is wrong with the world, over analysing of every minute detail to the nth degree Is that your analysis of the situation?
Hamilton Saint Posted 24 May, 2016 Posted 24 May, 2016 To make some people think something's happening when really nothing is happening? To make others think nothing is happening because he said something is happening when really something is happening? To make others think nothing is happening by saying something is happening when really nothing is happening? To make others think something is happening by saying something is happening when something really is happening? I see. Something is happening; or nothing is happening. That clarifies things.
CB Fry Posted 24 May, 2016 Posted 24 May, 2016 What on earth are you going on about now?? You may have a point, but best not to ignore your customers the whole time. Who is "ignoring their customers the whole time"? It's certainly not regular SFC interview participant Les Reed, who appears on YouTube more than Zoella, so who are you referring to?
way down south Posted 24 May, 2016 Posted 24 May, 2016 I think this clarifies the situation perfectly. He's gonna sign. Otherwise the club and everyone in it including reed are massive idiots for saying everything in the vid, and it would perfectly kill next seasons' enthusiasm.
angelman Posted 24 May, 2016 Posted 24 May, 2016 Who is "ignoring their customers the whole time"? It's certainly not regular SFC interview participant Les Reed, who appears on YouTube more than Zoella, so who are you referring to? Ah so you change it from "who is advocating that". Well as to your new question, it is really rather obvious, so I have to presume it is rhetorical.
trousers Posted 24 May, 2016 Posted 24 May, 2016 The You Tube one is surely the full interview? Reed answers the 'first' question with "I think, again,..." as if he's already answered a similar question. Just a hunch that the interview they've put up on YouTube is an extract of a longer interview and they've just put up the bit they thought was most interesting. Anyway, no doubt I'm in the 'thinking too hard about it' camp so pinches of salt all round.
CB Fry Posted 24 May, 2016 Posted 24 May, 2016 Ah so you change it from "who is advocating that". Well as to your new question, it is really rather obvious, so I have to presume it is rhetorical. What on earth are you going on about now??
Saint-Armstrong Posted 24 May, 2016 Author Posted 24 May, 2016 Reed answers the 'first' question with "I think, again,..." as if he's already answered a similar question. Just a hunch that the interview they've put up on YouTube is an extract of a longer interview and they've just put up the bit they thought was most interesting. Anyway, no doubt I'm in the 'thinking too hard about it' camp so pinches of salt all round. It's almost definitely a cut from a larger video. You can tell from the way Tom (interviewer) asks the question and how suddenly the audio begins.
angelman Posted 24 May, 2016 Posted 24 May, 2016 What on earth are you going on about now?? Your seeming lack of understanding what "advocating" means, and your seeming lack of understanding who the customer is. But it's not worth going on about, but if you want to, knock yourself out.
Saint IQ Posted 24 May, 2016 Posted 24 May, 2016 To make some people think something's happening when really nothing is happening? To make others think nothing is happening because he said something is happening when really something is happening? To make others think nothing is happening by saying something is happening when really nothing is happening? To make others think something is happening by saying something is happening when something really is happening? #ItsHappening
CB Fry Posted 24 May, 2016 Posted 24 May, 2016 Your seeming lack of understanding what "advocating" means, and your seeming lack of understanding who the customer is. But it's not worth going on about, but if you want to, knock yourself out. Bizarre. You may have a point, but best not to ignore your customers the whole time. Who are you talking to or about in this post? Who is advocating (look it up) ignoring their customers the whole time? Or, more succinctly, what are you going on about?
St_Tel49 Posted 24 May, 2016 Posted 24 May, 2016 Seems like a bit of "in before the cats out of the bag" thing. In other words, Ron ain't gonna sign but the club is telling us that they've done everything they can. Hope I'm wrong though, would love RoKo to commit for a longer term! I'm not at all clear as to how you arrived at that?
angelman Posted 25 May, 2016 Posted 25 May, 2016 Everton seem to be quite persistent even now, albeit resigned to the fact that they are likely not to get him. http://toffeeweb.com/season/15-16/rumour-mill/32740.html with http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/ronald-koeman-snub-everton-sign-8042506 being the basis of their piece.
angelman Posted 25 May, 2016 Posted 25 May, 2016 Who are you talking to or about in this post? Who is advocating (look it up) ignoring their customers the whole time? Or, more succinctly, what are you going on about? No one is advocating ignoring their customers. I stated best not to ignore customers (so if anyone was advocating anything, it would be me, but then you wouldn't ask who was advocating that, as it was my opinion and rather obviously mine).
whelk Posted 25 May, 2016 Posted 25 May, 2016 It's almost definitely a cut from a larger video. You can tell from the way Tom (interviewer) asks the question and how suddenly the audio begins. Almost definitely or definitely maybe?
CB Fry Posted 25 May, 2016 Posted 25 May, 2016 No one is advocating ignoring their customers. I stated best not to ignore customers (so if anyone was advocating anything, it would be me, but then you wouldn't ask who was advocating that, as it was my opinion and rather obviously mine). So you don't think anyone featured in this thread - Les Reed, SFC - are "ignoring their customers the whole time" but felt compelled to issue that advice anyway. Insightful stuff, and here's me thinking that post was utterly pointless. Anyway, it's nice to see you not being racist and homophobic on here.
niceandfriendly Posted 25 May, 2016 Posted 25 May, 2016 Drifted in and out of that interview, went over my head. Reed is strange to listen to at times.
Donatello Posted 25 May, 2016 Posted 25 May, 2016 Take the interview at face value and get on with your lives I'm not sure how anyone can take too much umbrage with what was said, it all seems reasonable enough. Point to the Clyne interview by all means, but that doesn't negate the fact that what Reed said was perfectly valid.
Saint86 Posted 25 May, 2016 Posted 25 May, 2016 So we shouldn't believe the words you can clearly see Reed saying? Surely he has earned that respect? He says there are contract talks, Ron's new Agent says there are contract talks and Reed says there is only any point in involving the Agent in specific contract talks once Koeman is aligned to the future plans. Don't get the negativity? He has a track record as a cronic liar...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 25 May, 2016 Posted 25 May, 2016 Seems as though some on here are almost desperate for it to be nonsense so they can moan and say "told you so"
sadoldgit Posted 25 May, 2016 Posted 25 May, 2016 Seems as though some on here are almost desperate for it to be nonsense so they can moan and say "told you so" Sadly I think you are right. They will all crawl out of the woodwork the minute it looks like we are going to sell a player too. Gotta love the close season and the wrist slitters!
Chalkboy Posted 25 May, 2016 Posted 25 May, 2016 Take the interview at face value and get on with your lives I'm not sure how anyone can take too much umbrage with what was said, it all seems reasonable enough. Point to the Clyne interview by all means, but that doesn't negate the fact that what Reed said was perfectly valid. Having watched it twice I have to say I agree with you. First time I watched I thought, that's good, talks are ongoing with lawyers getting involved, watched it a second time to see if I missed something suspicious and no, couldn't see anything. Personally I can't see any hidden agenda or motive.
eddie Posted 25 May, 2016 Posted 25 May, 2016 It's not the content of the video that's alarming/reassuring. It's the fact that the club would put a video on their official channel on how contract talks were going with their manager. Who is their audience? It's not Koeman or the board. It can only be fans and press. Since when has any club cared that much about what is in the press - certainly no club goes out of it's way to clear up every possible transfer/management/player rumour there is. At best Les is using the video to stick a 'bugger off' message on Koeman to send to Everton, Arsenal etc. So it leaves us with the video trying to reassure the fans, which just seems bizzare. Bizzare timing, bizzare message to want to convey (not Les' words, but the video idea itself). Why do fans need to know this, but not for them trying to stir up a positive image of the club? I hope to God he signs an extension, I thought he would and still think he will, based on Koeman's character and past comments. But the video seems very oddly placed.
buctootim Posted 25 May, 2016 Posted 25 May, 2016 It's not the content of the video that's alarming/reassuring. It's the fact that the club would put a video on their official channel on how contract talks were going with their manager. Who is their audience? It's not Koeman or the board. It can only be fans and press. Since when has any club cared that much about what is in the press - certainly no club goes out of it's way to clear up every possible transfer/management/player rumour there is. At best Les is using the video to stick a 'bugger off' message on Koeman to send to Everton, Arsenal etc. So it leaves us with the video trying to reassure the fans, which just seems bizzare. Bizzare timing, bizzare message to want to convey (not Les' words, but the video idea itself). Why do fans need to know this, but not for them trying to stir up a positive image of the club? I hope to God he signs an extension, I thought he would and still think he will, based on Koeman's character and past comments. But the video seems very oddly placed. Koeman's contract is the main issue occupying fans atm. The club need to show they are aware and addressing the issue - regardless of the outcome.
Chris27687 Posted 25 May, 2016 Posted 25 May, 2016 It's not the content of the video that's alarming/reassuring. It's the fact that the club would put a video on their official channel on how contract talks were going with their manager. Who is their audience? It's not Koeman or the board. It can only be fans and press. Since when has any club cared that much about what is in the press - certainly no club goes out of it's way to clear up every possible transfer/management/player rumour there is. At best Les is using the video to stick a 'bugger off' message on Koeman to send to Everton, Arsenal etc. So it leaves us with the video trying to reassure the fans, which just seems bizzare. Bizzare timing, bizzare message to want to convey (not Les' words, but the video idea itself). Why do fans need to know this, but not for them trying to stir up a positive image of the club? I hope to God he signs an extension, I thought he would and still think he will, based on Koeman's character and past comments. But the video seems very oddly placed. I think you over thinking things a touch here. His name is in every newspaper in hte land connected with most jobs; Everton, Arsenal, Barcelona etc... They just put this out there to explain the time constraints in getting a new contract sorted - for the fans.
saint-crinny Posted 25 May, 2016 Posted 25 May, 2016 Nothing particularly concerning in what he says, positive in fact. But the fact that this video is there at all is odd for me - why do this? Just get your business done in private and then announce it when it's all sorted. I'm still very hopeful that Koeman will sign a new deal, but equally, I can see why people see this video as a bit of PR that is either setting us up for bad news ("Well it was all going well and then RK and his lawyers ruined it...") or a bizarre attempt to put pressure on Koeman (very unprofessional if it is this). I hope far too much is being read into it, but this is football we're talking about at the end of the day...
Miltonaggro Posted 25 May, 2016 Posted 25 May, 2016 Les 'Carnarvon' Reed and The Curse of Tutankoeman...
scotty Posted 25 May, 2016 Posted 25 May, 2016 My natural state of mind on anything like this is one of pessimism. That way, if this turns out to be a 'get it out in the open' last roll of the dice by Reed to convince Koeman to stay and it fails, then I won't be as disappointed had I approached it with optimism. Are you dalek Are you dalek Are you dalek in disguise? Aaare you dalek in disguise.
Saint Fan CaM Posted 25 May, 2016 Posted 25 May, 2016 And this couldn't be posted on the already open thread on Koeman for what reason exactly? http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?56548-Ron-Koeman
Toadhall Saint Posted 25 May, 2016 Posted 25 May, 2016 And this couldn't be posted on the already open thread on Koeman for what reason exactly? http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?56548-Ron-Koeman To **** you off obviously
trousers Posted 25 May, 2016 Posted 25 May, 2016 Are you dalek Are you dalek Are you dalek in disguise? Aaare you dalek in disguise. Only if I humourously repeat that post 638 times between now and March next year.
View From The Top Posted 25 May, 2016 Posted 25 May, 2016 Club don't put out anything and the usual cu_nts start moaning about lack of information just as they did during the meltdown. Club puts something out and the usual cu_nts start moaning about how it's all a lie as it was about MP and Clyne.
scotty Posted 25 May, 2016 Posted 25 May, 2016 Only if I humourously repeat that post 638 times between now and March next year. Trouble is, we could well be facing a relegation battle by then. One of these years, that's going to happen. It's my biggest fear, mainly because dalek will be all over the site saying how he told us so.
trousers Posted 26 May, 2016 Posted 26 May, 2016 Trouble is, we could well be facing a relegation battle by then. One of these years, that's going to happen. It's my biggest fear, mainly because dalek will be all over the site saying how he told us so. Were that ever to happen, I'd be concerned that he'd drown in his own love juice long before he got the chance to logon to Saintsweb
Saint Charlie Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 This was a mistake. Quite hard to trust Reed and Krueger's PR comments at times.
Crab Lungs Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 This was a mistake. Quite hard to trust Reed and Krueger's PR comments at times. They've always been full of sh1t tbf
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