Europa League 2016/2017 (Died 8/12/2016)

[The Cat]

Nice pricing, although what's the reason for no U11 tickets?

[thefuriousb]

Interesting footnote about Midtyjlland tickets from last season. Hopefully, first up is not away to the 4th seed team (assuming it is not us) with a small stadium capacity. Missed out on an official ticket last season due to a friend having used my mate's customer number, rather than mine West Ham away the season before last. Ended up in the block next to the Saints fans.

[LGTL]

Hopefully the away tickets won't be collection only again. Wasted valuable drinking time in Herning having to do that. Saying that, it was the worlds most boring town but I'd be more annoyed somewhere decent.

[The9]

Hopefully the away tickets won't be collection only again. Wasted valuable drinking time in Herning having to do that. Saying that, it was the worlds most boring town but I'd be more annoyed somewhere decent.

 

I'm hoping they will be collection only, as it stops people letting others use their tickets. Though I think if they use Midtjylland + Arnhem attendance plus domestic aways as the initial criteria for tickets and then the second tier is domestic aways there won't be too many people complaining, we're unlikely to get a ground smaller than the one in Herning and that top tier is no more than 900 people.

[The9]

Actually, having read the article now it is clear they will be using last season's games or they wouldn't have bothered mentioning Midtjylland credit.

 

Happy with that.

 

This bit is interesting:

The club hopes to have indicative pricing for the trips within 24 hours of the draw taking place, with full pricing confirmed within 72 hours of Friday’s draw.

 

Worth bearing in mind for the more "exotic" locations, and also bound to put some off travelling independently.

[ericb]

Actually, having read the article now it is clear they will be using last season's games or they wouldn't have bothered mentioning Midtjylland credit.

 

Happy with that.

 

This bit is interesting:

The club hopes to have indicative pricing for the trips within 24 hours of the draw taking place, with full pricing confirmed within 72 hours of Friday’s draw.

 

Worth bearing in mind for the more "exotic" locations, and also bound to put some off travelling independently.

 

Yup that's basically how i read it too, so i'm assuming last seasons European aways + current aways to qualify. That means all 500 of us that got tickets to both Arnhem and Midtjylland must be more or less guaranteed tickets. Very happy with that, especially as they didn't allow us to use them on normal aways last season (not that it makes much of a difference to be in all honesty)

[stevegrant]

Hopefully the away tickets won't be collection only again. Wasted valuable drinking time in Herning having to do that.

It literally took five minutes, FFS

 

Main benefit is that it ensured that the tickets ended up with the people who most deserved them, rather than letting people bump up their purchase history by flogging their ticket to a mate.

 

As already said, doubt it'll happen for most venues, the smallest ones are likely to be the most remote this time, I think.

[Shroppie]

It literally took five minutes, FFS [emoji38]

 

Main benefit is that it ensured that the tickets ended up with the people who most deserved them, rather than letting people bump up their purchase history by flogging their ticket to a mate.

 

As already said, doubt it'll happen for most venues, the smallest ones are likely to be the most remote this time, I think.

Totally agree. Just grabbed mine (no queue) as I got off the rail replacement bus. And it certainly got the tickets to those who had earned the right to a ticket and actually wanted to make the effort to go themselves.

 

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[The9]

There wasn't even a queue when we got there and it was right next to the train station before we even had the chance to explore the town, couldn't have been better located for me!

 

I thought it was very imaginative use of a ground floor window as well.

[oldsarum]

There wasn't even a queue when we got there and it was right next to the train station before we even had the chance to explore the town, couldn't have been better located for me!

 

I thought it was very imaginative use of a ground floor window as well.

 

Agree thought it was very well organized as were the free coaches from and back to the town that the Saints put on for our supporters

[derry]

Matter of interest, Dundalk's ground doesn't comply at the moment for EUFA requirements.

[stevegrant]

Matter of interest, Dundalk's ground doesn't comply at the moment for EUFA requirements.

Hence why they played their CL playoff game against Legia Warsaw at the Aviva. Their EL group stage games will almost certainly be there too.

[The9]

Nice pricing, although what's the reason for no U11 tickets?

 

Guessing that as they're all evening games they don't want to be accused of encouraging the kiddies to stay out too late...

[Colinjb]

Guessing that as they're all evening games they don't want to be accused of encouraging the kiddies to stay out too late...

 

Don't these games kick off a little earlier for exactly that reason? (Ok, it's probably due to TV, it's always due to TV.)

[The9]

Hence why they played their CL playoff game against Legia Warsaw at the Aviva. Their EL group stage games will almost certainly be there too.

 

My only concern on that one is that the Aviva Stadium (I believe they're calling it the Dublin Stadium for the purposes of non-advertising) might not be available on the given dates because of UEFA's requirements around dressing the ground, etc and needing a couple of days before and after when there might already be events booked.

 

They played an earlier round somewhere else as well (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tallaght_Stadium - south Dublin) - I only just realised Dundalk itself is about equidistant between Belfast and Dublin and very close to the Northern Irish border. About 50 miles-ish from each.

Edited 23 August, 2016 by The9

[stevegrant]

Don't these games kick off a little earlier for exactly that reason? (Ok, it's probably due to TV, it's always due to TV.)

There are two time slots, 6pm and 8:05pm (UK time). I think there's generally an even spread of kickoff times for everyone, so I assume we will have at least one home 6pm kickoff, which is a bit **** for people getting there from any sort of distance away from Southampton.

 

There are exceptions for games that take place in the most easterly destinations (i.e. Georgia, Ukraine, Russia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan), which tend to kick off earlier because of the timezone differences.

[The9]

Don't these games kick off a little earlier for exactly that reason? (Ok, it's probably due to TV, it's always due to TV.)

 

It's definitely tv - 6pm and 8pm kick-offs local time and guaranteed 3 games for each timeslot.

[stevegrant]

My only concern on that one is that the Aviva Stadium (I believe they're calling it the Dublin Stadium for the purposes of non-advertising) might not be available on the given dates because of UEFA's requirements around dressing the ground, etc and needing a couple of days before and after when there might already be events booked.

 

They played an earlier round somewhere else as well (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tallaght_Stadium - south Dublin) - I only just realised Dundalk itself is about equidistant between Belfast and Dublin and very close to the Northern Irish border. About 50 miles-ish from each.

As far as I'm aware, Tallaght was OK for the third qualifying round but not good enough for the playoff round. I'd be surprised if they were able to play EL group stage games there. 99% sure UEFA wouldn't let them play at Windsor Park in Belfast, so Dublin's really their only option, I think.

[The9]

There are two time slots, 6pm and 8:05pm (UK time). I think there's generally an even spread of kickoff times for everyone, so I assume we will have at least one home 6pm kickoff, which is a bit **** for people getting there from any sort of distance away from Southampton.

 

There are exceptions for games that take place in the most easterly destinations (i.e. Georgia, Ukraine, Russia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan), which tend to kick off earlier because of the timezone differences.

 

It's actually in the rules document that all teams will play with three kick-offs in each time-slot. I can't be bothered to check kick off times in eastern europe to see if they're actually CET or local (or both). The qualifiers (as usual) have different rules to the group stages.

[The9]

As far as I'm aware, Tallaght was OK for the third qualifying round but not good enough for the playoff round. I'd be surprised if they were able to play EL group stage games there. 99% sure UEFA wouldn't let them play at Windsor Park in Belfast, so Dublin's really their only option, I think.

 

Yeah, but what if it's not available?

 

I wasn't suggesting Belfast (and Windsor Park is an absolute hole anyway), just pointing out that Dundalk isn't exactly "suburban Dublin". Though it's only an hour on the train, so the only issue is if they have to switch kick off day to Wednesday or something.

Edited 23 August, 2016 by The9

[stevegrant]

It's actually in the rules document that all teams will play with three kick-offs in each time-slot. I can't be bothered to check kick off times in eastern europe to see if they're actually CET or local (or both). The qualifiers (as usual) have different rules to the group stages.

The kickoff times are all unified across Europe with the exception of those in timezones further east than CET.

 

Yeah, but what if it's not available?

*shrug*

[The9]

Oh, and for anyone wondering, the EL draw on Friday (which is a different day to the CL draw), is on Eurosport 1 from noon until 12:30pm. As well as the UEFA website. Computers will be used and it will make eff-all sense to most people.

[The9]

The kickoff times are all unified across Europe with the exception of those in timezones further east than CET.

 

Interesting factoid Steve-wah.

[VectisSaint]

Yeah, but what if it's not available?

 

I wasn't suggesting Belfast (and Windsor Park is an absolute hole anyway), just pointing out that Dundalk isn't exactly "suburban Dublin". Though it's only an hour on the train, so the only issue is if they have to switch kick off day to Wednesday or something.

They have at least two options in Dublin, they have played their last two rounds at two different stadiums in the city because Oriel Park is not up to UEFA standards (Aviva and Tallaght which are both UEFA standard, Shamrock Rovers use the Tallaght for UEFA games, not just qualifiers). The chances of both Dublin stadiums being unavailable are slim. If so they could appeal to UEFA to switch the home and away games with opponents if required, and UEFA will agree. Maybe they can also use Croke.

[marc_saint]

The dates of the matches are already set and I'm sure that all clubs in this situation (There are a couple around Europe) would pre warn Uefa by the morning of the draw

 

When the draw is completed there will be the usual caveat around the draw being possible to change. They'll put all the variables into the computer and this will be all sorted and announced within the hour. It will also be the same for teams where there's more than one in the same city.

Edited 23 August, 2016 by marc_saint

[Spoonman]

They have at least two options in Dublin, they have played their last two rounds at two different stadiums in the city because Oriel Park is not up to UEFA standards (Aviva and Tallaght which are both UEFA standard, Shamrock Rovers use the Tallaght for UEFA games, not just qualifiers). The chances of both Dublin stadiums being unavailable are slim. If so they could appeal to UEFA to switch the home and away games with opponents if required, and UEFA will agree. Maybe they can also use Croke.

 

They'll use Tallaght if Aviva unavailable. As you correctly said that ground has already been used in EL by Rovers.

Just as well their own place isn't sanctioned because it's an absolute toilet even by League of Ireland standards..

[Edmonton Saint]

Celtic doing their best to join us in the Europa league. Currently 2-0 down and now only leading 5-4 on aggregate..

[ScepticalStan]

Celtic doing their best to join us in the Europa league. Currently 2-0 down and now only leading 5-4 on aggregate..

 

Was just about to say, they're teetering big time. Bit annoyed I didn't have a stab on HBS to qualify pre-match.

[ScepticalStan]

Roma down to 9 men. They're basically out as even if they miracled an equaliser they'd have to make it through 30 mins ET without conceding.

[ericb]

So thinking about ticket allocations and chances of people getting them i'd say from the talk about Midtjylland pick ups, it makes me assume that the priority will be done on people with two European aways first - there's only ~500 of those officially - then 1 European away, (1,400 minus the 500) so around 900, then the normal route.

 

In pot most of our current regular travelling support should be ok as the small allocation is going to be around 40k (Fiorentina) so 4k, with most being around 5k allocation minimum plus.

 

Where it gets interesting is in pot two where the average will be around 30k or above and given we get 10% that will mean there should be about 1600 for our normal away support that haven't done a European game.

 

Mind you given that some of those will be taken up by the travel packages set on by the club i'd hazard a guess that even on the top end of pot two - circa 30k - we'll probably only see around 1k for the normal away support that haven't done European games previously.

 

That's not a hell of a lot really and makes getting a ticket to the first European away absolutely vital, especially for those that have currently only done 1 European away (which is basically the Arnhem lot).

 

If it's a situation whereby we draw pot two or below first (and not one of the big clubs) then those that have done no European aways currently but have done a fair few domestic aways, and assuming that the ones that did the European games last season have to be part of our more hardcore away support, you can be in a position to make an educated guess on how many aways you'll need.

 

If you assume that our average premier league travelling support is somewhere in the region of 2,300 and that you're taking out the 1,600 then that leaves about 700 "new" fans to European aways.

 

So if you've not done any European aways then you're either going to have to take an overpriced (and not as fun) club package to build your European aways up or you're going to be scrambling for a handful of tickets.

 

In fact i'd hazard a guess that if we're drawn against a pot two or below side first game then for those of you that haven't done European aways already you'll probably be look at something like 5 - 7 aways to guarantee a ticket, 3-5 to give yourself a good chance and anything lower than that you'll be struggling.

 

And given that between now and then we only actually have one more away game that will count (Arsenal) i reckon it's probably a fairly solid bet that the travelling support at Arsenal away will by and large make up the travelling support at the first European away, unless it's a big club.

[Appy]

So thinking about ticket allocations and chances of people getting them i'd say from the talk about Midtjylland pick ups, it makes me assume that the priority will be done on people with two European aways first - there's only ~500 of those officially - then 1 European away, (1,400 minus the 500) so around 900, then the normal route.

 

In pot most of our current regular travelling support should be ok as the small allocation is going to be around 40k (Fiorentina) so 4k, with most being around 5k allocation minimum plus.

 

Where it gets interesting is in pot two where the average will be around 30k or above and given we get 10% that will mean there should be about 1600 for our normal away support that haven't done a European game.

 

Mind you given that some of those will be taken up by the travel packages set on by the club i'd hazard a guess that even on the top end of pot two - circa 30k - we'll probably only see around 1k for the normal away support that haven't done European games previously.

 

That's not a hell of a lot really and makes getting a ticket to the first European away absolutely vital, especially for those that have currently only done 1 European away (which is basically the Arnhem lot).

 

If it's a situation whereby we draw pot two or below first (and not one of the big clubs) then those that have done no European aways currently but have done a fair few domestic aways, and assuming that the ones that did the European games last season have to be part of our more hardcore away support, you can be in a position to make an educated guess on how many aways you'll need.

 

If you assume that our average premier league travelling support is somewhere in the region of 2,300 and that you're taking out the 1,600 then that leaves about 700 "new" fans to European aways.

 

So if you've not done any European aways then you're either going to have to take an overpriced (and not as fun) club package to build your European aways up or you're going to be scrambling for a handful of tickets.

 

In fact i'd hazard a guess that if we're drawn against a pot two or below side first game then for those of you that haven't done European aways already you'll probably be look at something like 5 - 7 aways to guarantee a ticket, 3-5 to give yourself a good chance and anything lower than that you'll be struggling.

 

And given that between now and then we only actually have one more away game that will count (Arsenal) i reckon it's probably a fairly solid bet that the travelling support at Arsenal away will by and large make up the travelling support at the first European away, unless it's a big club.

 

Doubt it, our support at Arsenal away is normally full of day trippers.

[whelk]

Roma down to 9 men. They're basically out as even if they miracled an equaliser they'd have to make it through 30 mins ET without conceding.

 

Woudl be good for coefficient although won't matter soon. They could be allowed in due to historical achievements.

[whelk]

Was just about to say, they're teetering big time. Bit annoyed I didn't have a stab on HBS to qualify pre-match.

 

Dundalk only one goal away from

ET

[ericb]

Doubt it, our support at Arsenal away is normally full of day trippers.

 

Maybe but day trippers that have done a certain amount of aways, and given it's only the second away game and still based on last seasons criteria in the main it whittles down those that will be eligible for the first European away trips.

 

Obviously though some of the clapper types won't fancy some of the European trips, but for somewhere cosy like portugal or spain i could definitely see them tagging along.

[marc_saint]

Roma down to 9 men. They're basically out as even if they miracled an equaliser they'd have to make it through 30 mins ET without conceding.

And now 3-0 (4-1 on agg) down. So Roma will be in the Europa league. With Inter.

Will be good to get one of those two

 

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[whelk]

Roma V Porto sound like a CL quarter final not normally seen at this stage.

Roma 0-2 and definitely in the EL

[thefuriousb]

So thinking about ticket allocations and chances of people getting them i'd say from the talk about Midtjylland pick ups, it makes me assume that the priority will be done on people with two European aways first - there's only ~500 of those officially - then 1 European away, (1,400 minus the 500) so around 900, then the normal route.

 

In pot most of our current regular travelling support should be ok as the small allocation is going to be around 40k (Fiorentina) so 4k, with most being around 5k allocation minimum plus.

 

Where it gets interesting is in pot two where the average will be around 30k or above and given we get 10% that will mean there should be about 1600 for our normal away support that haven't done a European game.

 

Mind you given that some of those will be taken up by the travel packages set on by the club i'd hazard a guess that even on the top end of pot two - circa 30k - we'll probably only see around 1k for the normal away support that haven't done European games previously.

 

That's not a hell of a lot really and makes getting a ticket to the first European away absolutely vital, especially for those that have currently only done 1 European away (which is basically the Arnhem lot).

 

If it's a situation whereby we draw pot two or below first (and not one of the big clubs) then those that have done no European aways currently but have done a fair few domestic aways, and assuming that the ones that did the European games last season have to be part of our more hardcore away support, you can be in a position to make an educated guess on how many aways you'll need.

 

If you assume that our average premier league travelling support is somewhere in the region of 2,300 and that you're taking out the 1,600 then that leaves about 700 "new" fans to European aways.

 

So if you've not done any European aways then you're either going to have to take an overpriced (and not as fun) club package to build your European aways up or you're going to be scrambling for a handful of tickets.

 

In fact i'd hazard a guess that if we're drawn against a pot two or below side first game then for those of you that haven't done European aways already you'll probably be look at something like 5 - 7 aways to guarantee a ticket, 3-5 to give yourself a good chance and anything lower than that you'll be struggling.

 

And given that between now and then we only actually have one more away game that will count (Arsenal) i reckon it's probably a fairly solid bet that the travelling support at Arsenal away will by and large make up the travelling support at the first European away, unless it's a big club.

 

The specific mention of midtyjlland makes me think that the ticketing debacle around Vitesse will be discounted, given many ST holders didn't actually attend. I think the 500 who went to Denmark are guaranteed, then it will go to last season's away matches.

 

Some of the criteria for high demand matches last year make me think the average fan attends around 7 away matches a season

[oldsarum]

There are two time slots, 6pm and 8:05pm (UK time). I think there's generally an even spread of kickoff times for everyone, so I assume we will have at least one home 6pm kickoff, which is a bit **** for people getting there from any sort of distance away from Southampton.

 

There are exceptions for games that take place in the most easterly destinations (i.e. Georgia, Ukraine, Russia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan), which tend to kick off earlier because of the timezone differences.

 

Last season all of Spurs and Liverpool's home group games were 8.05pm kick off's all their away games 7.05 (cent) kick offs

[marc_saint]

Monaco 3-1 up on aggregate against Villarreal. So a nice trip to the Spanish seaside could be on the cards and to the "Yellow Submarine"

[oldsarum]

So thinking about ticket allocations and chances of people getting them i'd say from the talk about Midtjylland pick ups, it makes me assume that the priority will be done on people with two European aways first - there's only ~500 of those officially - then 1 European away, (1,400 minus the 500) so around 900, then the normal route.

 

In pot most of our current regular travelling support should be ok as the small allocation is going to be around 40k (Fiorentina) so 4k, with most being around 5k allocation minimum plus.

 

Where it gets interesting is in pot two where the average will be around 30k or above and given we get 10% that will mean there should be about 1600 for our normal away support that haven't done a European game.

 

Mind you given that some of those will be taken up by the travel packages set on by the club i'd hazard a guess that even on the top end of pot two - circa 30k - we'll probably only see around 1k for the normal away support that haven't done European games previously.

 

That's not a hell of a lot really and makes getting a ticket to the first European away absolutely vital, especially for those that have currently only done 1 European away (which is basically the Arnhem lot).

 

If it's a situation whereby we draw pot two or below first (and not one of the big clubs) then those that have done no European aways currently but have done a fair few domestic aways, and assuming that the ones that did the European games last season have to be part of our more hardcore away support, you can be in a position to make an educated guess on how many aways you'll need.

 

If you assume that our average premier league travelling support is somewhere in the region of 2,300 and that you're taking out the 1,600 then that leaves about 700 "new" fans to European aways.

 

So if you've not done any European aways then you're either going to have to take an overpriced (and not as fun) club package to build your European aways up or you're going to be scrambling for a handful of tickets.

 

In fact i'd hazard a guess that if we're drawn against a pot two or below side first game then for those of you that haven't done European aways already you'll probably be look at something like 5 - 7 aways to guarantee a ticket, 3-5 to give yourself a good chance and anything lower than that you'll be struggling.

 

And given that between now and then we only actually have one more away game that will count (Arsenal) i reckon it's probably a fairly solid bet that the travelling support at Arsenal away will by and large make up the travelling support at the first European away, unless it's a big club.

 

I think away teams only entitled to 5% of ground capacity, hence we got 1,400 Vitesse and 500 midjylland

 

However teams like Inter have traditionally given higher percentage than that Norwich took around 9,000 there, if we got Roma I'm sure the same would apply

[The9]

The dates of the matches are already set and I'm sure that all clubs in this situation (There are a couple around Europe) would pre warn Uefa by the morning of the draw

 

When the draw is completed there will be the usual caveat around the draw being possible to change. They'll put all the variables into the computer and this will be all sorted and announced within the hour. It will also be the same for teams where there's more than one in the same city.

 

Spurs managed to get the fixtures out within 15 minutes last season, despite UEFA not allocating teams to their fixture position as part of the actual draw.

Edited 23 August, 2016 by The9

[The9]

I think away teams only entitled to 5% of ground capacity, hence we got 1,400 Vitesse and 500 midjylland

 

However teams like Inter have traditionally given higher percentage than that Norwich took around 9,000 there, if we got Roma I'm sure the same would apply

 

I (wrongly) thought we had 900 tickets in Denmark.

 

And with the exception of a few tickets not sold via the travel club, we sold all of the Midtjylland tickets to people who went to Arnhem, so the logical thing to do is Midtjylland AND Arnhem, then one of them with 10+ domestic aways and reduce the aways until tickets are sold.

 

Also having been to Inter last year, we'd get the whole of the upper tier at the Milan home end, which is probably where the 9000 comes from.

Edited 23 August, 2016 by The9

[marc_saint]

Teams in the group stages of the Europa League after tonights Champions League Play off matches....

 

Team Coeficiant Country

Standard Liège 27.500 Belgium

Viktoria Plzeň 44.585 Czech Republic

Manchester United 82.256 England

Southampton 16.756 England

Nice 12.049 France

Mainz 18.035 Germany

Schalke 96.035 Germany

Feyenoord 19.112 Holland

Hapoel Beer-Sheva 4.725 Isreal

Internazionale 58.087 Italy

Fiorentina 57.087 Italy

Roma 41.587 Italy

Braga 43.116 Portugal

Dundalk 2.590 Rep of Ireland

Zenit 93.216 Russia

Celta Vigo 21.142 Spain

Athletic Club Bilbao 75.142 Spain

Villarreal 60.142 Spain

FC Zürich 17.755 Switzerland

Konyaspor 6.920 Turkey

Zorya Luhansk 11.976 Ukraine

[marc_saint]

We had 900 tickets in Denmark so I'm not sure where you got that from.

 

And with the exception of a few tickets not sold via the travel club, we sold all of the Midtjylland tickets to people who went to Arnhem, so the logical thing to do is Midtjylland AND Arnhem, then one of them with 10+ domestic aways and reduce the aways until tickets are sold.

 

http://www.uefa.org/MultimediaFiles/Download/Regulations/uefaorg/Regulations/02/23/69/59/2236959_DOWNLOAD.pdf

 

Page 33..

 

36.01 Home clubs must make at least 5% of the total approved UEFA capacity of their stadium available exclusively to visiting supporters, in a segregated, safe area. In

addition, visiting clubs are entitled to purchase 200 top-category tickets (unless otherwise agreed by the two clubs in question) for their VIP supporters, sponsors, etc., but they are not obliged to take the full allocation (see Articles 16 and 23 of the UEFA Stadium Infrastructure Regulations and Article 19 of the UEFA Safety and

Security Regulations)

[Lets B Avenue]

I think you might be over-estimating how many tickets we will get. They only have to offer 5%.

[Lets B Avenue]

http://www.uefa.org/MultimediaFiles/Download/Regulations/uefaorg/Regulations/02/23/69/59/2236959_DOWNLOAD.pdf

 

Article 36

[The9]

Just Googled, turns out we got about 600 as did Man U when they played them in the knockout round. Their away section holds about 800-900 which is where I got that from (but we didn't get that option due to segregation, though fairly sure we discussed it on here last year).

 

http://mobile.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/20150811-tickets-fc-midtjylland-southampton-uefa-europa-league-2610572.aspx

[The9]

5% or not, if they're not selling out the ground we'll get plenty. Hopefully we'll get Dundalk and get to play in the Aviva stadium, should get a decent allocation then.

[marc_saint]

5% or not, if they're not selling out the ground we'll get plenty. Hopefully we'll get Dundalk and get to play in the Aviva stadium, should get a decent allocation then.

 

Depends on the club. Vitesse could easily have given us a larger allocation but because of the way they fence/plexiglass in their away sections meant they were unwilling to give more than what that section holds. (They could have given us the corner of the main stand though)

 

Clubs with LARGE stadiums could make a bigger allocation available like Roma, Inter, and Shalke

When Everton played Lille a couple of seasons ago they had an allocation of over 5,000

[suewhistle]

Rome has been added to my list of 'I definitely want to go there', and tickets should be easier to get than Arnhem et al. If the worse comes to the worse not sure I'd want a ticket in the home end, but as I went to (the English) school in Rome I can still do the odd bit of romanaccio.

 

I shall look forward to The9's definitive pot list before the draw and hope for the best. Hopefully the other nutjob pamplemousse will have his map updated. Drink for both of you if I should ever see you on an away trip. Just seen Plzen are a possibility... now that could get messy!