Ron Koeman

[Chalkboy]

Martin Samuel:

 

Saints past sell-by date for Koeman

 

Selling players catches up with every club eventually. Southampton may have defied gravity again this season but Ronald Koeman knows it cannot last. The process of renewal that takes place at the club every summer, with fine players leaving and fresh recruits arriving, cannot succeed indefinitely. Eventually, a mistake will be made, and Koeman has decided not to be around when it happens. That he is joining Everton, a club that finished 16 points and five places below Southampton last season, is telling.

 

Everton have been sellers, too, and may be again this summer if the right offer comes in for John Stones or Romelu Lukaku. Yet that would only put Koeman in the same position as when he joined Southampton. Five players were sold that summer, but the new manager simply used the money to construct his own team. He could do the same again at Everton. If Stones fetched £40m, say, Koeman might believe he could be adequately replaced for half that. Lukaku, Everton's top scorer, would be worth even more and Koeman will surely have received assurances about Everton's ambition, sale or no sale. At the very least he will get any transfer money to spend, plus more, and will be shopping at a different end of the market.

 

Southampton are a well-run club, offering Europa League football, but while they continue to sell each summer, they will remain a stepping stone rather than a final destination, for managers and players.

 

No surprise from Samuel. Will keep banging this article out until he's proven right. No mention of how to stop players and managers leaving for more cash.

[Nordic Saint]

No surprise from Samuel. Will keep banging this article out until he's proven right. No mention of how to stop players and managers leaving for more cash.

 

Replace the man who in his disastrous spell in charge at Charlton was voted the worst manager in the history of the Premier League with somebody who gets on with players and managers and inspires loyalty like Le Tissier.

[capitalsaint]

Replace the man who in his disastrous spell in charge at Charlton was voted the worst manager in the history of the Premier League with somebody who gets on with players and managers and inspires loyalty like Le Tissier.

 

Maybe then we'd have players staying long enough for a testimonial, or join the u21 coaching staff after they've retired.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Replace the man who in his disastrous spell in charge at Charlton was voted the worst manager in the history of the Premier League with somebody who gets on with players and managers and inspires loyalty like Le Tissier.

 

With who them Mr Genious Agenda?

[doddisalegend]

No surprise from Samuel. Will keep banging this article out until he's proven right. No mention of how to stop players and managers leaving for more cash.

 

 

He was made to look a fool the last two seasons with this sort of crap article but he'll keep going so when we get a bad patch ( which will happen sooner or later like it does to every club) he can shout "told you so"

[Pancake]

Maybe then we'd have players staying long enough for a testimonial, or join the u21 coaching staff after they've retired.

 

Ha, spot on sir.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

It's so damn easy for some lazy jurno to slate SFC as some kind of lacking-in-ambition 'selling club'. And okay, plenty of good players have left us in recent seasons and more will follow in the coming months I expect. It's not so damn easy however to lay out some realistic alternative as to what middle sized clubs in our position are supposed to do when players (or even managers) are determined to go and allowing them to run down their contracts risks either a huge financial loss, or (as this case) the type of 'the gaffer is leaving' mentality we saw destroy Man City last season.

 

One of the principle reasons why Leicester City have just won the Premier League is because they were a collective of manager and players who ALL truely wanted to be there. Players and managers come and go, but I for one only want to see people who are fully committed to my club working at my club. If they can't really say that then we better let them go and find replacements who do really want to be here.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

Martin Samuel:

 

Saints past sell-by date for Koeman

 

Selling players catches up with every club eventually. Southampton may have defied gravity again this season but Ronald Koeman knows it cannot last. The process of renewal that takes place at the club every summer, with fine players leaving and fresh recruits arriving, cannot succeed indefinitely. Eventually, a mistake will be made, and Koeman has decided not to be around when it happens. That he is joining Everton, a club that finished 16 points and five places below Southampton last season, is telling.

 

Everton have been sellers, too, and may be again this summer if the right offer comes in for John Stones or Romelu Lukaku. Yet that would only put Koeman in the same position as when he joined Southampton. Five players were sold that summer, but the new manager simply used the money to construct his own team. He could do the same again at Everton. If Stones fetched £40m, say, Koeman might believe he could be adequately replaced for half that. Lukaku, Everton's top scorer, would be worth even more and Koeman will surely have received assurances about Everton's ambition, sale or no sale. At the very least he will get any transfer money to spend, plus more, and will be shopping at a different end of the market.

 

Southampton are a well-run club, offering Europa League football, but while they continue to sell each summer, they will remain a stepping stone rather than a final destination, for managers and players.

 

Martin Samuel seems to have no understanding of the mechanics and structure of football. Which players did he think we could stop leaving. It is not as if we are selling players to teams like Villa, Everton or Newcastle. In his cloud cuckoo land you just get the cheque book out and everything will be OK. Sadly unless you have an owner like Citeh then the money runs dry and you plummet down the league - what's his take on Newcastle who broke the bank last season and got relegated. We have the best model for our size of anyone in the premier league that has proved resilient when fire sales happen. Our players leave because our model is so good and it makes players look better than they are.

[van Hanegem]

Very good piece by Adam Leitch at the echo:

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/14537621.COMMENT__Why_Koeman_move_would_hurt_so_much/

 

"Here is a man with a history of honouring contracts. Indeed, a man of honour in so many ways, a very classy individual, who generates great respect from all those lucky enough to be around him at Saints."

 

This is clearly not true as Koeman has left clubs early before (e.g. when he left for Valencia and said that "you have to jump on a train passing by sometimes"). I can understand the emotions though.

[Saint Charlie]

No surprise from Samuel. Will keep banging this article out until he's proven right. No mention of how to stop players and managers leaving for more cash.

It is true in many ways that last bit though.

 

We are a well run club but we absolutely are a stepping stone club.

 

We are highly likely the best club in the UK at the moment relative to our natural size also.

[Saint Without a Halo]

and why would a 49% owner put in £100m transfer kitty without it being matched by the other 51%?

 

It would be as a loan

[angelman]

Ridiculous article

 

For Saints’ part, it’s hard to know what more they could have done as this has played out. If they were strung along a little by Pochettino, there was little they could do about Koeman.

 

So why be depressed and disappointed by it? Has he just realised what football finance is like? These bloody reporters should just take a look at Leicester. They are about to loose Vardy, possibly Mahrez and Kante. And they have CL football on offer. So rather than going on about the situation at Saints, maybe they should write about what is wrong with football and discuss methods that could be brought in to stop the big boys picking off everyone.

[Saint Without a Halo]

I see Everton want to also appoint a Director of Football to work with their manager!

 

Louis Van Gaal ?

[angelman]

It is true in many ways that last bit though.

 

We are a well run club but we absolutely are a stepping stone club.

 

We are highly likely the best club in the UK at the moment relative to our natural size also.

 

 

Of course we are. Always have been, always will be. Why anyone thinks we aren't is a mystery and therefore why anyone like Samuel writes his tosh as if it is a surprise is very strange.

[RedFear]

He was made to look a fool the last two seasons with this sort of crap article but he'll keep going so when we get a bad patch ( which will happen sooner or later like it does to every club) he can shout "told you so"

 

This is exactly right. Samuel is an obese cretin whose 'articles' display everything that is wrong with football reporting in this country

 

the guy is a saints trophy win away from a heart attack and is another reason, as well as the obvious, it cant come soon enough

[hughieslastminutegoal]

Football is the trojan horse of the wealthy elite. How better to get the ordinary person to accept the exponential wealth grab by the already rich than by sponsoring obscene contracts in the "working person's sport". If it is ok in football, one cannot criticise it in other industries. We are being suckered.

[sadoldgit]

No surprise from Samuel. Will keep banging this article out until he's proven right. No mention of how to stop players and managers leaving for more cash.

 

Exactly this. People in any walk of life want to better themselves, no more than in professional football. Samuel writes as if selling is the model on which the club is run ignoring the whole big fish eat little fish ethos. Even Leicester, after their brilliant season, don't look like they will keep Vardy. Players and managers leave us because we have been so relatively successful and that puts people in the shop window. If we were crap no one would look at us twice.

[Whitey Grandad]

From The Times this morning:

 

Everton have been told to pay £5 million in compensation for Ronald Koeman if they want to appoint him as their next manager after talks with Southampton. The Merseyside club hope to reach a deal today but realistically believe that it may be the middle of the week before they are able to name Koeman as a successor to Roberto Martínez, who was sacked last month.

 

Southampton appear to have increased the amount of money that they want after being angered by Koeman’s about-turn over leaving and Everton letting it be known that they have substantial funds available.

 

The Dutchman said as recently last month that he would stay for the final year of his deal and then went on to verbally agree a new contract. Southampton were convinced that he would sign a new deal shortly after the season ended. Should Koeman leave, the south-coast side would refuse to allow any players to follow him to Goodison Park. Fraser Forster, the goalkeeper, has been linked with a move.

 

Southampton have shortlisted Eddie Howe as a possible successor, although it would take some persuasion for him to leave Bournemouth. The club tried to appoint Howe as a successor to Alan Pardew in 2010 but were turned down and they appointed Nigel Adkins instead. Unai Emery, the Seville head coach, could be another option, although he rejected a move to West Ham United last summer and signed a new deal at the Spanish club.

 

Southampton mapped out a new five-year plan to persuade Koeman to stay at the club when contract talks began in January. He cut a frustrated figure at the time amid concerns about the club’s ambition and how much he could spend if Victor Wanyama and Sadio Mané are sold, as expected, this summer.

[Donatello]

Reminder to Everton fans, this part of the forum is for Saints fans and Saint Charlie. We'll tolerate objective questions, information snippets and fair comment but if you want to get involved in a barney please use another site.

 

We're quite capable of arguing amongst ourselves thank you.

 

[Saint Without a Halo]

Obviously didn't read the 2nd post Lighthouse?...."smash the glass ceiling" who know's if the Koeman thing comes off it's an upgrade on what we have had for a few years, but I don't think he's the best we could have gone for....He's a good safe manager to maybe take us to the next level, but why does your Club alow him to leave?.... if you all rate him, why has your Club not been ambitious enough to keep him ?......Ask yourself Lighthouse....how many from that list went on to do anything? Rooney & Lescott...we got great money for them all but the only 2 we didn't want to leave was Rooney & Lescott....times have now changed, we don't have to sell, we have the money to progress, new owners, new ground on the horizon....it's now looking at last to be a good future ahead....

 

Good luck with your gamble

We let him go because

 

1) We are not prepared to pay silly money to someone who will move on again anyway if he committed to more than one year and meant it we would have tried harder to keep him

2) We are not prepared for our very successful planned growth to date to be compromised by growing our cost base faster than our income (something Everton should be concerned about now ) given the examples of Leeds Blackburn Portsmouth etc

3) We want a manager committed to growing our Club and not just his bank Balance and career prospects especially when the two don't line up

4) We will not let any one person get in the way of our Ambitions and plans for steady managed sustainable growth and if we would only stay for big money and a big transfer budget we are better without him

[angelman]

What Samules doesn't mention is the academy. This year Matt Targett and JWP did OK - well Matt didn't really feature too often when Ryan came back, save when we played a 352. Apart from that Reed got 28 minutes - 10 minutes in PL and 18 in Euro qualifiers when we were well up against Vitesse. In the last season with Poch he got 129 minutes. Isgrove got 72. McQueen a mere 8. Rowe 21 and Gallagher 424 minutes. Then there was also Chambers (1820 mins) and Shaw (3262 mins), as well as JWP (1963 mins) who had pushed on from the year before, where Ben Reeves had also featured along with Sam Hoskins and Corby Moore.

[benjii]

Everton have gone about this stupidly. Desperate to land a particular individual based on one person's apparent whim and now everyone knows they can be taken to the cleaners.

 

This alleged £100m warchest is going to be frittered on average players. They won't be signing anyone that the top clubs want. If there was interest in Koeman from any of the usual "big" suspects would he have gone to Everton? Would he ********.

 

Their current squad is pretty poor. I would say only Coleman and Lukaku would improve our first team. Barkley on his day but he wouldn't start every week.

 

They'll do well to finish above 8th.

 

Something special, that.

[Saint IQ]

I have quoted this a couple of times. The story I heard a couple of months ago was we were going to hold talks with RK about his contract. If he wasnt prepared to extend it we were going to give him the heave ho. Firstly it shows lack of commitment and would not fit in with our long term plans. The package we were going to offer would have included a considerable pay rise and a reduction of our sell big, buy cheap policy.

Dont forget we have already given players really good new contracts. I have also heard Pelle doesnt want leave, Mane and Wanyama are open to good deals to stay.

I never claim to be ITK but this is a very good source.

 

Interesting post. Don't buy that last bit though!

 

"Good deals" probably meaning 150k per week each....With a release clause.

[georgeweahscousin]

My (often unwelcomed) two penneth...

 

http://georgeweahscousin.com/they-koem-and-go-the-ever-twisting-saga-of-saints-summers/

[Foxstone]

My (often unwelcomed) two penneth...

 

http://georgeweahscousin.com/they-koem-and-go-the-ever-twisting-saga-of-saints-summers/

 

Welcomed by me..

 

Sound assessment there - I tend to err towards scenario number 2 as the primary, with a hint of option number 1 when RonKO saw that the jigsaw pieces were not falling right for him..

 

Of course we wish him well, but can we now have the next contender please..

[thorpie the sinner]

My (often unwelcomed) two penneth...

 

http://georgeweahscousin.com/they-koem-and-go-the-ever-twisting-saga-of-saints-summers/

 

Good article and definitely believe number 2 is the scenario, been thinking it would happen that way for a while! Key to all of this is our next appointment! Faith in the board to do just that

[hypochondriac]

No surprise from Samuel. Will keep banging this article out until he's proven right. No mention of how to stop players and managers leaving for more cash.

Indeed. I remember the exact same article being written by him when poch left.

[Saint IQ]

I seem to remember reading that we are quite restricted in what we do by The Financial Fair Play rules, as these are based on Club Revenue Generated, not how much the owner is worth?

 

Wonder how Everton are set on this regards splashing the cash?

 

They're just going to do it to the limit and probably do some sort of dodgy stadium sponsor like Man City

[GarrettIvo]

Welcomed by me..

 

Sound assessment there - I tend to err towards scenario number 2 as the primary, with a hint of option number 1 when RonKO saw that the jigsaw pieces were not falling right for him..

 

Of course we wish him well, but can we now have the next contender please..

 

Speak for yourself.

[angelman]

Speak for yourself.

 

Agree. The only ex Saints manager I wish well, is Adkins.

[Mallagroth]

Agree. The only ex Saints manager I wish well, is Adkins.

 

I wish Redknapp well... as in I hope he drowns in the bottom of one.

[Saint Without a Halo]

Agree. The only ex Saints manager I wish well, is Adkins.

 

Me too

[Ulrich van Gobbel]

I'm stunned that no one has covered the big issue in all of this speculation..

 

That is, the changing of the Virgil van Dyke song lyrics.

[Jimmy_D]

I'm stunned that no one has covered the big issue in all of this speculation..

 

That is, the changing of the Virgil van Dyke song lyrics.

 

Yes we did, I suggested changing it to "Southampton's"

[adrian lord]

Martin Samuel:

 

Saints past sell-by date for Koeman

 

Selling players catches up with every club eventually. Southampton may have defied gravity again this season but Ronald Koeman knows it cannot last. The process of renewal that takes place at the club every summer, with fine players leaving and fresh recruits arriving, cannot succeed indefinitely. Eventually, a mistake will be made, and Koeman has decided not to be around when it happens. That he is joining Everton, a club that finished 16 points and five places below Southampton last season, is telling.

 

Everton have been sellers, too, and may be again this summer if the right offer comes in for John Stones or Romelu Lukaku. Yet that would only put Koeman in the same position as when he joined Southampton. Five players were sold that summer, but the new manager simply used the money to construct his own team. He could do the same again at Everton. If Stones fetched £40m, say, Koeman might believe he could be adequately replaced for half that. Lukaku, Everton's top scorer, would be worth even more and Koeman will surely have received assurances about Everton's ambition, sale or no sale. At the very least he will get any transfer money to spend, plus more, and will be shopping at a different end of the market.

 

Southampton are a well-run club, offering Europa League football, but while they continue to sell each summer, they will remain a stepping stone rather than a final destination, for managers and players.

 

He's a fat cnt. And revoltingly greasy.

Edited 6 June, 2016 by adrian lord
added greasy!

[Patrick Bateman]

He's a fat cnt.

 

You missed out 'greasy' ...

[CB Saint]

He's a fat cnt.

 

Surely we should wait until he actually goes before calling him that

[adrian lord]

^lol

[Marino]

You missed out 'greasy' ...

 

But he hits the nail on the head.

[Saint IQ]

For someone who was almost universally hated, he got bloody good results

 

Just younger players mostly Reed + Tadic and Mane..Not exactly universally hated

[ref15]

Everton have gone about this stupidly. Desperate to land a particular individual based on one person's apparent whim and now everyone knows they can be taken to the cleaners.

 

This alleged £100m warchest is going to be frittered on average players. They won't be signing anyone that the top clubs want. If there was interest in Koeman from any of the usual "big" suspects would he have gone to Everton? Would he ********.

 

Their current squad is pretty poor. I would say only Coleman and Lukaku would improve our first team. Barkley on his day but he wouldn't start every week.

 

They'll do well to finish above 8th.

 

Something special, that.

 

dont kid yourself. everton have a good squad which has just been managed poorly the past 2 years.

some quality players in there. you couldn't beat us at our worst last season? & we destroyed you at your own place 3-0.

[Saint IQ]

Rickie Lambert on SSN this morning, gonna talk about Koeman Everton and most likely us in a minute.

[Jimmy_D]

dont kid yourself. everton have a good squad which has just been managed poorly the past 2 years.

some quality players in there. you couldn't beat us at our worst last season? & we destroyed you at your own place 3-0.

 

So, by that logic, we have a better squad than Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea, United, Liverpool?

 

You're just making yourself look silly here.

[FloridaMarlin]

I'm sure the Blue Noses who have suddenly infiltrated and infested this board will shoot me down in flames, but there's something in all this that doesn't smell completely of roses.

 

For 10 years Everton have been a moribund club, starved of outside investment mainly because nobody fitted the profile Bill Kenwright set out.

 

If we are to believe, numerous people have wanted to be involved at Everton, only for the one-time Corrie actor to turn them away as suspected fly-by-nights. To be fair to the gushing luvvie, he has always tried to do the right thing and run Everton in the same honourable traditions as Sir John Moore and Sir Philip Carter. That was back in the days when Everton won things and long before most of those coming on here and giving it large, were even born.

 

But times and demands change and suddenly, along comes Moshiri, a former accountant with Ernst and Young and Deloitte who became friendly with Alisher Usmanov thanks to their many deals and investments together (you can script your own story about how Russian billionaires make their money out of former state-owned industries). Out of the goodness of his heart, Usmanov gives Moshiri a 5% shareholding of one of his companies. Because Russian billionaires are known for their kind-hearted nature.

 

As good an accountant as Moshiri might have been, not too many employees of E&Y and Deliotte become billionaires, but the 5% Usmanov provides Moshiri with is enough of a grubstake for him to start up an investment portfolio to suddenly become one of the world's great entrepreneurial business brains.

 

I'm sure the luvvie Kenwright did his due diligence on Moshiri and it is not simply a case of a club chairman desperate to drag a rich sugar daddy on board being duped by a smooth talking Middle Eastern businessman, who turns out to be not quite as rich as he claimed and everybody thought he was.

 

There's a club not a million miles away from us who can talk, with experience, about that and looked what happened to them.

 

I know Arsenal's share structure is a strange and wonderful thing, but you have to wonder why they were reluctant to let him increase his shareholding.

 

And if he is a billionaire what is £100m to him? That's almost chump change and if I was an Everton fan I would not be crowing about the size of his investment (which has already had a £10m dent knocked into it thanks to the change of manager) but slightly worried.

 

I've no doubt the blue noses will point to Katharina and crow they have a better owner who is more prepared to pump money in, but she has a business model for the club based on self sufficiency, and she doesn't go around shouting Harry Enfield style about the size of the wad she is going to pump into the club.

 

The best owners do not go around shouting the odds as to how rich they are and how much money they are going to pump in. For starters, they know it's not good business practice because as soon as you start telling people how much you have to spend, the price goes up.

 

And for all his faults, you don't hear Abramovic mouthing off to the world at large about how much money he is going to put into Chelsea. He just does it. Likewise Sheikh Mansour at Manchester City, and the Glasers at United.

 

I've always found it strange that some rich people involved in football clubs feel the need to do this? Why do they do it? Is it an ego thing, or do they make these pronouncements to get dumb football fans on their side?

 

Experience hints that it doesn't end well for those who do give it the big one, from Michael Knighton at Manchester United, to the fly-by-nights who brought p****y to its knees and League Two ignominy.

 

I'm intrigued about this £100m. As several others have pointed out, in the scale of things these days it doesn't buy much and it's already down £90m if you factor in the £10m cost of changing managers, so suddenly it doesn't look so much.

 

I would also be asking why somebody who is ready to pump £100m in is only getting 49% of the shares. OK, he might have an option to buy more, but if he is the club's great saviour, why hasn't he got a controlling interest already?

 

I'm sorry, but it doesn't wash that somebody with a wallet and matching ego of that size is happy to spunk £100m - now £90m, don't forget - for a nice seat in the directors' box.

 

And how much - if any - of the £100-now-£90m - has he stumped up already? All of it? Enough to pay for the change in manager?

 

If he hasn't stumped up all of it yet, when is the rest arriving and how? Cash? Cheque? Money draft? Is it in a building society account gaining a bit of interest?

 

I'm sure the Blue invaders will tell me he has options to increase his shareholding. Fair enough, but the question still remains. Why hasn't he got a controlling interest already?

 

Does he not want to buy a controlling interest yet, but prefers to have a look-see first to see how things shape up, which has scary implications. or does The Luvvie not trust his money, his motives, his commitment and his longevity?

 

Why did he cash in his shareholding at Arsenal? Has he gone to Everton and forsaken the chance to sit next to his big mate Usmanov every Saturday because he couldn't run the train set at Arsenal? They certainly did not want him to increase his shareholding, and again you have to ask why.

 

It's not our business, but when you sit down and analyse this boast of "he's going to invest £100m into the club" it starts to look a bit hollow for so many reasons, not for the least reason that it doesn't seem that huge an amount for somebody supposedly so rich.

[The Cat]

dont kid yourself. everton have a good squad which has just been managed poorly the past 2 years.

some quality players in there. you couldn't beat us at our worst last season? & we destroyed you at your own place 3-0.

 

We destroyed Arsenal 4-0. Doesn't mean we are better than them other than on that day.

[angelman]

Rickie Lambert on SSN this morning, gonna talk about Koeman Everton and most likely us in a minute.

 

Rickie Lambert, Liverpool 2014-2015.

 

Love it. They get him to talk about Saints and still call him a Liverpool player.

[John B]

I agree with this http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/14537358.Why_Ronald_Koeman_will_be__betraying__Saints_more_than_any_other_manager_in_the_club_s_history/?ref=rss

 

Koeman if he goes has proved to be has turned out to be a right Tossa

[Secret Site Agent]

It's taking it's time for him to be annouced and the comp package seem to be going up.

Apparently, perhaps, this is happening:

 

Everton: So, we want Ron, How much compo do you want?

SFC: We would like 3 million, based on you paying him £7 million in wages and we need to get another manager

EFC: Fine, 3 mill it is.

SFC: Great, so give us the 3.5 million and we are done. Sign here.

EFC: Ok so I need... hang on a minute, we agreed 3 miilion. You just said 3.5.

SFC: Thats right. I think you heard wrong. We agreed 4 million.

EFC: 4? I thought you said 3?

SFC: No, you must have mishead. We said 4.

EFC: Ok, 4 miilion......

SFC: And a half

EFC: Eh?

SFC: four and a half million is the figure.

EFC: Why is it now 4 and a half million?

SFC: Beacuse we haven't got to 5 million yet.

EFC: Look, you started at 3 million, now it's 4.5 million. Is that it?

SFC: Yes that is it. The figure for Compensation to us for you to sign Ronald Koeman as your manager is £5 million, or as we refer to it down here, 0.42 of a $long in Compo.

EFC: When did it get to 5 million?

SFC: Just a minute a go.

EFC: When?

SFC: When you asked why it was 4.5 million.

EFC: Look, if you don't stop messing around, we'll **** off back to Liverpool and you wont get you compo!

SFC: Fine by us, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[RedFear]

dont kid yourself. everton have a good squad which has just been managed poorly the past 2 years.

some quality players in there. you couldn't beat us at our worst last season? & we destroyed you at your own place 3-0.

 

exactly right. and the guy who masterminded those pathetic results against a dreadful everton team is now your manager. good luck!

 

oh, and thanks for the £5m. Sounds like a top class negotiatior your new guy

[Window Cleaner]

I agree with this http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/14537358.Why_Ronald_Koeman_will_be__betraying__Saints_more_than_any_other_manager_in_the_club_s_history/?ref=rss

 

Koeman if he goes has proved to be has turned out to be a right Tossa

 

 

Just our usual summer Groundhog Day, as will be the buckets of vitriol poured on whoever leaves on each occasion.

We have to face it, it's going to keep on happening until the ownership changes. Top players and coaches have ambition and provided that clubs are still prepared to offer them more money to have a stab at fulfilling said ambition we'll be on the losing end.