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Personally I think both Koeman and Poch did good jobs but both acted like c unts when the left....but hey aren't we all used to it? it's like water off a ducks back now. No doubt a couple of players will do the same this summer to.

This. Also worth remembering the behaviour of Mane in the process of joining us.

 

Players acting up to get what they want is becoming increasingly common.

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I don't know, which is why I was asking, but I thought you might have heard that our manager in on the point of leaving us and therefore, we have to appoint some one else to replace him and the chances are that he will bring his own staff and not want to keep poor old Sammy and he may have been aware of this and was not too happy about the situation.

 

You merely answered a question with a question.

 

With out going back to your original message I thought you had said something along the lines of him looking ****ed or not even on the bench at one of the games so I presumed something had happened ...

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It's hardly as simple as comparing the two head to head games. Arsenal failed to beat us last season and got spanked at SMS yet I'd hardly say out team is not far off Arsenal as a team.

 

Take your point, all I'm saying is I don't think their squad is quite as bad as is being made out, and that certain players have been underperforming, something that could be remedied by a better manager than Martinez.

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I liked Ron and we had a fantastic run in this season. Absolutely fantastic

 

But the first half of the season was weird and the middle 3rd saw some god awful, pulis Stoke type of football.

 

Forster coming back and pelle getting injured helped his cause

 

Sad end for someone who made a point of saying he honoured his contracts etc. No need to have said all that time and time again.

 

This is nothing like when pochettino left. He was the real deal IMO.

 

Yet Koeman has done better than him for us and Pochettino has still not won anything. How do we know he wasn't prepared to honour his contract? He might have said that he would see out the last year and the club might have said if that is the case we need to part company. No one on here has a clue what is going on so why not wait until there is an announcement and some facts before jumping to conclusions?

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Yet Koeman has done better than him for us and Pochettino has still not won anything. How do we know he wasn't prepared to honour his contract? He might have said that he would see out the last year and the club might have said if that is the case we need to part company. No one on here has a clue what is going on so why not wait until there is an announcement and some facts before jumping to conclusions?

 

I'd like to see how Koeman would have got on with fox, hoiveld with yoshida in the same side

 

Didn't that combo have Davis in goal at some points.

 

That season under Poch was brilliant with an inferior squad.

 

Conclusion is that Koeman is leaving. No one is forcing him to I doubt

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Can't see the club wanting to allow rk to spend any money without extending his contract so extend or go. Players don't perform too well when they know the managers leaving at the end of the season.

He could yet sign a contract extension....

 

I doubt it seems like all bridges are burnt even if Koeman made a massive U-turn.

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Another blue here.

 

Slightly disappointed to see that fans of two clubs with a recent history of being "the best of the rest" are being so hostile to each other. And not just Southampton fans, we're equally as guilty on our side.

 

Anyway, we've had many years of mediocrity and we're well used to being on the receiving end of poaching (think Moyes, Rooney, Fellaini, Lescott, etc).

 

Since Moshiri has invested in the club, there has certainly been a noticeable change in the ambition/clout of the board, promising big spending, etc. It's well documented that Moshiri has made certain promises which have enticed Koeman.

 

This is not to say Southampton lacks ambition, but rather Koeman is a dutch manager with no loyalty to the club, and well - it's a fickle game. Loyalty is not something which is at the forefront of the game we love anymore. It's a shame, but its part of the football business.

 

I hope Southampton bounce back in the same way you did after Pochetino, and see no reason why you won't. I think the smart money is on Ronald De Boer. Can't see Emery moving (promised increased funds at Sevilla) and Diego Simeone/Ancelotti is pipe dream stuff. Pellegrini is in the market, but is known to be after a final big pay day and seems a pretty uninspiring choice.

 

Anyway, good luck in the hunt and we'll see what happens with Koeman - we may end up having him poached off us in a year or two!

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Questions for our Everton fans.

 

Is the £100m mentioned in the press just fees alone or wages too?

 

Why has the new investor only bought 49% of the shares? I'm sure there is a good reason, but that feels a little small time.

 

Do you expect Stones and Lukaku to now stay?

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Don't get too pleased with life just yet . . . .

 

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You know that article is over 2 weeks old don't you???

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date on that article 22:30, 18 May 2016 ....

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Wouldn't it be sweet if he says no to Everton, they appoint FDB, we then put RK on gardening leave and appoint Emery

 

Edit: old article FFS

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And this what I think Koeman will do. Take 7m from the idiots up north and then go Holland, Barca or Arsenal in a year. Les knows that and the new contract offer will be designed to keep him in beyond that which isnt acceptable to Ron.

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That's from weeks ago mate

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1. £100m is transfer fees alone. All very speculative though. The rumours are that it is £100m + 100% of whatever Lukaku/Stones go for (if they leave).

 

2. 49.9% was a means of preventing a 'change of control' trigger in a prudential loan which the club has (this would crystalise the debt). However, Moshiri has options over existing shares which, when exercised, will bring him up to 75%. As it stands, 49.9% is as good as a controlling stake, as there is quite a fragmented/diverse shareholding in the remaining 51.1% with about 3000 shares untraceable. In other words, no one will vote against him.

 

3. My instinct is that at least one of Lukaku/Stones will go, if not both. Moshiri pledged to convince our best players to stay, but we've been under scrutiny with these two for a few years, and there is only so much money we can turn down to keep someone at the club who may end up being disinterested next season.

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And this what I think Koeman will do. Take 7m from the idiots up north and then go Holland, Barca or Arsenal in a year. Les knows that and the new contract offer will be designed to keep him in beyond that which isnt acceptable to Ron.

 

We would expect nothing less in this era of football, but if he moves us forwards during that time and builds a good squad, then Moshiri will still view that as money well spent. £7m is a drop in the Ocean these days.

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1. £100m is transfer fees alone. All very speculative though. The rumours are that it is £100m + 100% of whatever Lukaku/Stones go for (if they leave).

 

2. 49.9% was a means of preventing a 'change of control' trigger in a prudential loan which the club has (this would crystalise the debt). However, Moshiri has options over existing shares which, when exercised, will bring him up to 75%. As it stands, 49.9% is as good as a controlling stake, as there is quite a fragmented/diverse shareholding in the remaining 51.1% with about 3000 shares untraceable. In other words, no one will vote against him.

 

3. My instinct is that at least one of Lukaku/Stones will go, if not both. Moshiri pledged to convince our best players to stay, but we've been under scrutiny with these two for a few years, and there is only so much money we can turn down to keep someone at the club who may end up being disinterested next season.

 

That's all wonderful, but in all honesty, why would we care?

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Adam Blackmore on Twitter: In midst of Koeman situation, worth #saintsfc fans remembering a number of players will be quite pleased to have a new coach

 

 

For someone who was almost universally hated, he got bloody good results

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1. £100m is transfer fees alone. All very speculative though. The rumours are that it is £100m + 100% of whatever Lukaku/Stones go for (if they leave).

 

2. 49.9% was a means of preventing a 'change of control' trigger in a prudential loan which the club has (this would crystalise the debt). However, Moshiri has options over existing shares which, when exercised, will bring him up to 75%. As it stands, 49.9% is as good as a controlling stake, as there is quite a fragmented/diverse shareholding in the remaining 51.1% with about 3000 shares untraceable. In other words, no one will vote against him.

 

3. My instinct is that at least one of Lukaku/Stones will go, if not both. Moshiri pledged to convince our best players to stay, but we've been under scrutiny with these two for a few years, and there is only so much money we can turn down to keep someone at the club who may end up being disinterested next season.

 

49.9% + 51.1% = 101%

 

Guessing maths wasn't your strong point at school?

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Questions for our Everton fans.

 

Is the £100m mentioned in the press just fees alone or wages too?

 

Why has the new investor only bought 49% of the shares? I'm sure there is a good reason, but that feels a little small time.

 

Do you expect Stones and Lukaku to now stay?

 

and why would a 49% owner put in £100m transfer kitty without it being matched by the other 51%?

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i thought it was a childish. To wish somebody dead because he left a football club!!!!! Come on CB you,re better than that

You realise the song wasn't written specifically for Koeman don't you?

 

Personally I hope he falls into some kind of threshing machine before Wednesday.

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Its great that Sam Gallagher, Jake Hesketh, Cedric and JWP are glad to see the back of Koeman but I am more bothered by what the likes of Bertrand, Forster, Van Dijk and Long think.

 

Doesn't really matter what those three think. It would take ridiculous sums of money for them to be allowed to talk to another club.

 

I would like to think they are professional enough to get on with it considering they are all being paid a fair sum per week to represent this football club.

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Anyone else now getting the feeling he's going to be staying? Just me probably.

 

I can believe the earlier posts about him just toying with Everton to put pressure on Saints but its all gone tits up and now hes burnt his bridges.

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I heard comments on Talksport that seemed to imply that RK felt we had reached our ceiling. What? Not that long ago he was saying that Leicester had now broken the stranglehold on the top four and that anything was possible. OK. Next thing we need to remind the so called experts that Southampton are probably unique in that over the last 7 years we have improved our league position every year. A major achievement having had 4 managers, sold 7 key players and lost a Chairman. I don't think there will be any panic at SFC and we will continue our progression. Let's bring in Emery and go for the Europa League and win it and end up in the Champions League. I am fed up with being talked down to by the MEDIA. Time to move on..

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and why would a 49% owner put in £100m transfer kitty without it being matched by the other 51%?

he has options over 25.1% of the shares, presumably at a fixed price. if all goes badly he doesn't have to take up the option. if the investment is still worth it, he takes 75% of the value of his investment.

 

that would still leave a question of why he would invest 25m on behalf of shares he has no interest in.

speculation only, but possibly he could have acquired his shares and options at an effective discount of 25m

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he has options over 25.1% of the shares, presumably at a fixed price. if all goes badly he doesn't have to take up the option. if the investment is still worth it, he takes 75% of the value of his investment.

 

that would still leave a question of why he would invest 25m on behalf of shares he has no interest in.

speculation only, but possibly he could have acquired his shares and options at an effective discount of 25m

 

I guess thats possible. It still hints at a structure which is set up to create divisions and rows though.

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Exactly. Bet Utd players didn't like fergie at times. Poor form from Blackmore.

 

For someone who was almost universally hated, he got bloody good results

I agree with this - being popular with all the players all the time is not particularly important. In fact if a manager is generally popular then it's likely he is a pushover and will fail.

 

Bit of a red herring really. Some players will hate the new guy too.

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