Winchester Red Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 IIRC we failed to beat Everton last season. Didn't they batter us 3-0? Then when they played a weakened side we still couldn't beat them. Not sure they are in need of that much of an overhaul. Martinez had lost them. A decent manager could make a difference right from the start. So they're as good as Leicester already then, who also took 4 points off us. Forget the £100m, they don't need it. RK alone will make them world beaters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 3 or 4 actually. Not if you look at our league positions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 One of my suppliers in Eindhoven knows both the Koeman brothers, in his words "Erwin is the nicer human being". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 It's not me you should be having a go at - you really need to start questioning your owners, your board and their ambition. Your owners have money (a lot of money) I understand. They really need to start to grow a set. It isn't all about money as you will find out when your supposed £100m goes nowhere and you struggle again next season. Top quality players will not want to go to the likes of Everton. No European football. Likely to lose a number of your so called better players in the summer. Good luck with all of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkboy Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 So they're as good as Leicester already then, who also took 4 points off us. Forget the £100m, they don't need it. RK alone will make them world beaters! Who is talking about "world beaters"? Not me. My point is perhaps their squad isn't as bad as some make out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goneawol Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 It isn't all about money as you will find out when your supposed £100m goes nowhere and you struggle again next season. Top quality players will not want to go to the likes of Everton. No European football. Likely to lose a number of your so called better players in the summer. Good luck with all of that. You're forgetting they won the league in 1987, as long as they stick to signing players born in the late 1970s they'll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 The Everton glass ceiling is always just under the asshole of Liverpool, even when the red half finish 8th the blue noses ensure they finish well below them. all the smashing of their glass ceiling will do is ensure Klopp and co are pulling glass shards out of their asses as once again the blues will be looking upwards at Liverpool......and Southampton Everton don't have a glass ceiling to smash , their counter parts knicked the glass a decade ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 It's not me you should be having a go at - you really need to start questioning your owners, your board and their ambition. Your owners have money (a lot of money) I understand. They really need to start to grow a set. I think that you'll find that the vast majority of our fans are perfectly happy with our owner, our board and our ambition. Our club has enjoyed a meteoric rise from the third division up to 6th in the PL, improving our position year upon year. The way that we have gone about achieving this progression has been the subject of admiring articles in the more sensible media, suggesting that our model of sustainable growth is the way that a football club should be run. We are praised for our academy and the investment we have sunk into it and the players which it has produced are a testament to the efficacy of that policy. Instead of throwing silly money at players who are established stars, we rely on intensive research to identify players who have gone under the radar of the scouting system of the big clubs and when they prove to be really good players, if we have to sell them, it will only be for a stupidly huge profit and we then progress to repeat the operation. We have already proven that this policy and the steady way that the board operates have made us more successful than Everton in the past couple of years and yet you are confident that you will break your glass ceiling by emulating the spend, spend, spend policy of your City neighbours, without being as big a draw as them for the best players. It seems to have escaped your notice that Leicester broke through their glass ceiling without spending a shed full of money, but because they had a squad of players who gelled together into a potent unit, inspired by a canny manager capable of getting them to believe in themselves and what they could achieve with some self-belief. I am confident enough on the basis of our past prowess despite adversity to predict that we will finish above you at the end of this coming season. In the same way that we wondered how we would progress without Adkins and then without Pochettino, we will soon be wondering what the fuss was all about when it came to losing Koeman. And when we inevitably lose a couple of players for obscene transfer fees to bigger clubs than yours, we will soon be debating whether their replacements aren't indeed an improvement and that the squad is actually stronger than it was this past season. But go ahead if you wish and believe that Koeman chooses to leave because of our lack of ambition rather than for the vastly inflated pay packet. It isn't a given that the more you pay a football manager the better the results he will achieve, so good luck with that assumption when it is put into practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 You're forgetting they won the league in 1987, as long as they stick to signing players born in the late 1970s they'll be fine. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 Hope Sammy stays!. After the Palace game, we noticed that he wasn't with the staff, when they did the "Lap of honour." Was this anything to do with what has transpired? (And will someone get round to Roger's house and take his belt and shoelaces away before he does himself in.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chap in the Chapel Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 A chap called Randy Lerner thought he could succeed in English football using the method that Everton are apparently about to pursue. I wonder what happened to him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkshire Saint Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 After the Palace game, we noticed that he wasn't with the staff, when they did the "Lap of honour." Was this anything to do with what has transpired? (And will someone get round to Roger's house and take his belt and shoelaces away before he does himself in.) What happened with Sammy Lee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 @SimonPeach: Seems Koeman situation coming to a head - could be sorted tomorrow. Compensation figure #EFC would have to pay #SaintsFC is around £5million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 A chap called Randy Lerner thought he could succeed in English football using the method that Everton are apparently about to pursue. I wonder what happened to him? Out of interest how do you know Everton are going to do the exact same as Villa? Wasn't the issue with Lerner that he got bored after a few years? Given Everton's investor has been in place about 2 months or so I am calling bull****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 @SimonPeach: Seems Koeman situation coming to a head - could be sorted tomorrow. Compensation figure #EFC would have to pay #SaintsFC is around £5million Fair play, quite a few Managers out of work so they must really want Koeman if they will pay that much plus a huge salary. Must be a good time to be an Everton fan with that and suggestions of a big summer transfer budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 We've got plenty enough helmets on this forum, we don't need a load of helmets from Liverpool trying to rub it in. Smash through the glass ceiling eh? Which clubs exactly to you intend on displacing in the top 4/6? Every club and agent will know Everton have money to burn and £100m isn't exactly much these days. Ask Liverpool. Aimlessly throwing money at a problem doesn't work. I'm confident we'll be above Everton for a while yet. It took Newcastle 80 million just to get relegated .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 Koeman doesn't really want to go.....but he is now being forced. Bridges are burnt. His agent has played a game and bluff has been called. There's loads to this. Beside the money. Koeman should've never shown interest in Everton...well it was the agent actually.....tits up spring to mind. He will toe the line. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Simple then, Ron and the club tell Everton to f*ck off, and Ron signs a new contract. Doesn't matter to me who loses face behind the scenes, it would be best for the club and I reckon the supporters would be over the moon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 @SimonPeach: Seems Koeman situation coming to a head - could be sorted tomorrow. Compensation figure #EFC would have to pay #SaintsFC is around £5million So Everton total outlay on him with be £26m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 What happened with Sammy Lee? I don't know, which is why I was asking, but I thought you might have heard that our manager in on the point of leaving us and therefore, we have to appoint some one else to replace him and the chances are that he will bring his own staff and not want to keep poor old Sammy and he may have been aware of this and was not too happy about the situation. You merely answered a question with a question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 His point was that it's not all obviously rosy when an investor comes in. Generally we know **** all and get overexcited but it doesn't work for many clubs. We got incredibly lucky with ours. He said "using the method Everton are about to employ" as if all foreign investors do the same thing. Any fan would rather have and spend money than not have it yet the comments on here suggest Everton are doing to spend without a plan which is pretty much just made up. Moshiri has been around football for years and Koeman is a solid Manager. They are also looking at bringing in the excellent Monchi from Sevilla. Sure they will be fine and probably nothing like Villa just like Saints were nothing like Villa either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 Everton used to be a club I very much respected, but in the past few days my opinions totally changed. What a bunch of self absorbent ****s. I understand that this is not the majority, most likely just a vocal minority. But seriously if you have nothing good to say other then gloat and act like petty kids on the playground saying "my dads bigger than yours etc etc" than rightly just don't say anything. You weren't at SMS last season when their fans decided to boo and shout down the clubs pre-match remembrance of Markus's death then.....classless knobs the lot of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 So Everton total outlay on him with be £26m. Just £6m less than it cost to build St Mary's Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 I think that you'll find that the vast majority of our fans are perfectly happy with our owner, our board and our ambition. Our club has enjoyed a meteoric rise from the third division up to 6th in the PL, improving our position year upon year. The way that we have gone about achieving this progression has been the subject of admiring articles in the more sensible media, suggesting that our model of sustainable growth is the way that a football club should be run. We are praised for our academy and the investment we have sunk into it and the players which it has produced are a testament to the efficacy of that policy. Instead of throwing silly money at players who are established stars, we rely on intensive research to identify players who have gone under the radar of the scouting system of the big clubs and when they prove to be really good players, if we have to sell them, it will only be for a stupidly huge profit and we then progress to repeat the operation. We have already proven that this policy and the steady way that the board operates have made us more successful than Everton in the past couple of years and yet you are confident that you will break your glass ceiling by emulating the spend, spend, spend policy of your City neighbours, without being as big a draw as them for the best players. It seems to have escaped your notice that Leicester broke through their glass ceiling without spending a shed full of money, but because they had a squad of players who gelled together into a potent unit, inspired by a canny manager capable of getting them to believe in themselves and what they could achieve with some self-belief. I am confident enough on the basis of our past prowess despite adversity to predict that we will finish above you at the end of this coming season. In the same way that we wondered how we would progress without Adkins and then without Pochettino, we will soon be wondering what the fuss was all about when it came to losing Koeman. And when we inevitably lose a couple of players for obscene transfer fees to bigger clubs than yours, we will soon be debating whether their replacements aren't indeed an improvement and that the squad is actually stronger than it was this past season. But go ahead if you wish and believe that Koeman chooses to leave because of our lack of ambition rather than for the vastly inflated pay packet. It isn't a given that the more you pay a football manager the better the results he will achieve, so good luck with that assumption when it is put into practice. Splendidly and articulately put. But probably beyond the intellect of the Everton idiot, who should realise he's been totally discredited and put in his place, put probably won't, as the most ignorant are those who can't recognise their own ignorance. Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grezz Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 @SimonPeach: Seems Koeman situation coming to a head - could be sorted tomorrow. Compensation figure #EFC would have to pay #SaintsFC is around £5million £5M for Koeman's last year is great business. I feel like WE have nicked THEIR hubcaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 £5M for Koeman's last year is great business. I feel like WE have nicked THEIR hubcaps. And how much more for Erwin? Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 If by 'lack of ambition' you mean not making him one of the highest paid managers in Europe. Also I really wouldn't get too cocky about 'smashing your glass ceiling into a thousand pieces'. Van Gaal spent £250m at Utd and went nowhere. The competition is only getting stiffer. Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea and Utd will always be up there. Now you can add Spurs to the list, Liverpool are telling everyone this will be their year (for the 20th summer in a row) and even West Ham are chucking the money around. Saints, like it or not still have a better squad too. You have 3 players big clubs might be after, we have 6. 7 if you include Pelle possibly going to Juve. You're going to need that money just be in the top 8, not the top 4. You can add Swansea to that they got new American investors today as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintadjg Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 There really isn't the doom and gloom of Pochetino leaving. Most just seem ****ed he's going to Everton. I would have been happy if he stayed for the continuity. However if he didn't want to sign a longer term contract then bye bye.Our stock is very high and we should get a decent replacement. Just please not Moyes , Martinez, Hughes etc. Someone who will get everyone excited just as Koeman did . Can't believe anyone seriously believes he's going for anything other a ridiculous salary. I just hope it goes tuts up for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 So Everton total outlay on him with be £26m. Or 2 and a bit $hlongs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 @SimonPeach: Seems Koeman situation coming to a head - could be sorted tomorrow. Compensation figure #EFC would have to pay #SaintsFC is around £5million If that's true we have fully mugged them off. Ridiculous fee. Especially if we go and appoint an out of work manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 Think Poch and his entourage was £6m wasn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 Is funny how £5m for a Manager seems (and is) a lot yet we would spend more than that for a 4th choice CB like Gardos. Managers generally are undervalued relative the importance of their role. Probably relatively few have ever cost more than £5m and Koeman only had one year left too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 I do love my club sometimes. Pulling the pants down of the arrogant on such a regular basis. 5m for a manager with one year left on his contract, spectacular. Did we get anything when Pochettino left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 Is funny how £5m for a Manager seems (and is) a lot yet we would spend more than that for a 4th choice CB like Gardos. Managers generally are undervalued relative the importance of their role. Probably relatively few have ever cost more than £5m and Koeman only had one year left too. Was thinking precisely the same thing. Should be biggest money spend really. £5m in scheme of things is peanuts Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diggers Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 So if we really paid him $2.3m a year essentially we've had him for free, or in other words, Everton have paid his wages for us since he joined. That's pretty funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Red Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 And how much more for Erwin? Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk Some more for Erwin would be like stealing the stereo too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 IIRC we failed to beat Everton last season. Didn't they batter us 3-0? Then when they played a weakened side we still couldn't beat them. Not sure they are in need of that much of an overhaul. Martinez had lost them. A decent manager could make a difference right from the start. It's hardly as simple as comparing the two head to head games. Arsenal failed to beat us last season and got spanked at SMS yet I'd hardly say out team is not far off Arsenal as a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 Was thinking precisely the same thing. Should be biggest money spend really. £5m in scheme of things is peanuts Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Yeah for them, if thats who they really want to lead the club then its nothing. But in terms of the norm for Managers its a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chap in the Chapel Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 He said "using the method Everton are about to employ" as if all foreign investors do the same thing. Any fan would rather have and spend money than not have it yet the comments on here suggest Everton are doing to spend without a plan which is pretty much just made up. Moshiri has been around football for years and Koeman is a solid Manager. They are also looking at bringing in the excellent Monchi from Sevilla. Sure they will be fine and probably nothing like Villa just like Saints were nothing like Villa either. Take a look at the money Villa spent across several seasons after Lerner took over. 'Statement' signings aplenty. Given Everton's willingness to advertise their spending plans they are apparently planning the same thing. Martin O'Neill was a solid manager for Villa too, and yet he couldn't deliver for Lerner, and nor could his many successors. A huge wedge of cash going on transfers immediately may not help Everton crack their glass ceiling - maybe a more sustainable approach like, say, the one employed at Southampton FC, is more effective in the longer term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 Basically, we got Ronald for free. Nice one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 Is funny how £5m for a Manager seems (and is) a lot yet we would spend more than that for a 4th choice CB like Gardos. Managers generally are undervalued relative the importance of their role. Probably relatively few have ever cost more than £5m and Koeman only had one year left too. It will work the other way as well if we decide to sign a manager currently at a club, that £5m will go far with a lot of currently employed managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didcot Saint Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 Simple then, Ron and the club tell Everton to f*ck off, and Ron signs a new contract. Doesn't matter to me who loses face behind the scenes, it would be best for the club and I reckon the supporters would be over the moon. I happen to agree with you. Most on here were singing RK's praises after we finished 6th. I think it's tragic if he goes, i really thought he loved it at Saints and the past couple of seasons have been great with a feeling of togetherness. A very sad turn of events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 It will work the other way as well if we decide to sign a manager currently at a club, that £5m will go far with a lot of currently employed managers. Of course yes, its across the board with Managers - they are generally cheap compensation wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 Has this already been posted on here? Sorry if it has but the thread is moving so quickly and I haven't spotted it: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/ronald-koeman-latest-agent-denies-deal-between-southampton-and-everton-has-been-agreed-a7066221.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 Take a look at the money Villa spent across several seasons after Lerner took over. 'Statement' signings aplenty. Given Everton's willingness to advertise their spending plans they are apparently planning the same thing. Martin O'Neill was a solid manager for Villa too, and yet he couldn't deliver for Lerner, and nor could his many successors. A huge wedge of cash going on transfers immediately may not help Everton crack their glass ceiling - maybe a more sustainable approach like, say, the one employed at Southampton FC, is more effective in the longer term. I just think what Villa did has nothing to do with Everton. They have sensible, successful people involved. Certainly nothing suggests trouble to me despite how much we may want it to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 I liked Ron and we had a fantastic run in this season. Absolutely fantastic But the first half of the season was weird and the middle 3rd saw some god awful, pulis Stoke type of football. Forster coming back and pelle getting injured helped his cause Sad end for someone who made a point of saying he honoured his contracts etc. No need to have said all that time and time again. This is nothing like when pochettino left. He was the real deal IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 I happen to agree with you. Most on here were singing RK's praises after we finished 6th. I think it's tragic if he goes, i really thought he loved it at Saints and the past couple of seasons have been great with a feeling of togetherness. A very sad turn of events. Not sure any revisionism is going on. Me, I've said it is a shame that the academy was ignored and that is it. It's not tragic if he goes. That is melodramatic beyond belief. He was going to go at some stage. All managers do. Sure if would have been nice if he had stayed (and got the academy going again). I supported Saints before he came and will do so after he has gone. It is but a stage of the club. And thinking he loved it at Saints is somewhat naive. The only people who love it at Saints are the supporters. Everyone else is doing it for the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 Has this already been posted on here? Sorry if it has but the thread is moving so quickly and I haven't spotted it: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/ronald-koeman-latest-agent-denies-deal-between-southampton-and-everton-has-been-agreed-a7066221.html I think his new agent might have realised he admitted that Koeman had agreed terms before saints had actually agreed to let him talk to Everton so quickly back tracked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 Put it this way, I'm not as pis_sed off as I was when MP went to Spurs and we knew he was going. IMHO a far superior manager whose teams play the brand of football I love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 (edited) I just think what Villa did has nothing to do with Everton. They have sensible, successful people involved. Certainly nothing suggests trouble to me despite how much we may want it to. Villa finished sixth three times in a row with a decent manager in charge, and made some decent progress in the Europa League. They were challenging for top four there or thereabouts in all three of those seasons. Sensible, successful. I suspect Everton will find out that level of achievement is tough to keep going season after season and it's a gaping money pit of doom. Villa also saw attendance numbers go down in their third sixth place season as fans got a sense of entitlement and boredom and sense of failure to not "get to the next level" (bit of that here these days). Sixth became zilch. Lerner started to think "well, fu ck that then you ungrateful Brummie pri cks". Cue living within their means and I believe he appointed Alex McCleish entirely for a laugh. We shall see how long Everton's sugar daddy can stay on this particularly unforgiving treadmill. Din Everton fans already think they are sky rocketing to the Champions League but they might be disappointed to find £1bn don't go that far. Edited 5 June, 2016 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 5 June, 2016 Share Posted 5 June, 2016 @SimonPeach: If & when Koeman leaves, the futures of Mane, Wanyama & Co will come under increased scrutiny but not everyone will be unhappy at St Mary's @SimonPeach: Koeman can rub some people up the wrong way - Dusan Tadic, for example, is understood to have fallen out with him @SimonPeach: Few would argue Koeman leaving isn't a blow, but only need to look at Pochettino's exit to see #SaintsFC have wherewithal to recover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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