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It's not me you should be having a go at - you really need to start questioning your owners, your board and their ambition. Your owners have money (a lot of money) I understand. They really need to start to grow a set.

 

So the only way to achieve success is through money? (Not that you can respond, that's your three posts for the day.)

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Hi, Everton fan here...Here's my take on all this malarky.

 

1. Koeman was always Moshiri's number 1 target. However initial approaches were rejected. The season had just finished everyone at your club was on a high including Koeman. Life was sweet.

 

2. We started looking elsewhere and received indications that Emery was open to talks - so our focus shifted and talks with his agent got underway, however noise was also coming out of Milan and Paris. He was very much in demand and I guess he wasn't sure exactly where his future lay. However talks still rumbled on.

 

3. Koeman changed agencies and they entered talks with your chief exec about contract extensions and future plans/funding. Life was still sweet.

 

4. From what I understand Koeman wasn't happy with what was offered financially and more importantly the longer term plan. Life was now getting interesting.

 

5. His agent made contact with Everton FC and initial talks began - Moshiri outlined exactly where he wants Everton to be in 3-5 years and how he will structure the club to achieve those goals and more importantly, the role that he wanted Koeman to play in our re-birth. - Koeman was buzzing off this both financially and and more importantly off the plan going forward.

 

6. We didn't snatch Koeman from you. Your club lost him with their lack of ambition. Southampton FC have reached their glass ceiling now - we are about to smash ours into a thousand pieces.

 

I went to Uni in Liverpool, and spent many hours with scallies - but I never realised that delusions of grandeur were one of the prominent side effects of incest.

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It's not me you should be having a go at - you really need to start questioning your owners, your board and their ambition. Your owners have money (a lot of money) I understand. They really need to start to grow a set.

 

If we did grow a set you'd only try and buy them off us

 

 

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Hi, Everton fan here...Here's my take on all this malarky.

 

1. Koeman was always Moshiri's number 1 target. However initial approaches were rejected. The season had just finished everyone at your club was on a high including Koeman. Life was sweet.

 

2. We started looking elsewhere and received indications that Emery was open to talks - so our focus shifted and talks with his agent got underway, however noise was also coming out of Milan and Paris. He was very much in demand and I guess he wasn't sure exactly where his future lay. However talks still rumbled on.

 

3. Koeman changed agencies and they entered talks with your chief exec about contract extensions and future plans/funding. Life was still sweet.

 

4. From what I understand Koeman wasn't happy with what was offered financially and more importantly the longer term plan. Life was now getting interesting.

 

5. His agent made contact with Everton FC and initial talks began - Moshiri outlined exactly where he wants Everton to be in 3-5 years and how he will structure the club to achieve those goals and more importantly, the role that he wanted Koeman to play in our re-birth. - Koeman was buzzing off this both financially and and more importantly off the plan going forward.

 

6. We didn't snatch Koeman from you. Your club lost him with their lack of ambition. Southampton FC have reached their glass ceiling now - we are about to smash ours into a thousand pieces.

 

are you John Bailey?

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Bless Everton. It's all quite sweet how excited they are to have an owner who finally has some money behind him. In looking forward to them realising that it's not quite that simple.

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It's not me you should be having a go at - you really need to start questioning your owners, your board and their ambition. Your owners have money (a lot of money) I understand. They really need to start to grow a set.

 

:lol::lol::lol:

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Hi, Everton fan here...Here's my take on all this malarky.

 

1. Koeman was always Moshiri's number 1 target. However initial approaches were rejected. The season had just finished everyone at your club was on a high including Koeman. Life was sweet.

 

2. We started looking elsewhere and received indications that Emery was open to talks - so our focus shifted and talks with his agent got underway, however noise was also coming out of Milan and Paris. He was very much in demand and I guess he wasn't sure exactly where his future lay. However talks still rumbled on.

 

3. Koeman changed agencies and they entered talks with your chief exec about contract extensions and future plans/funding. Life was still sweet.

 

4. From what I understand Koeman wasn't happy with what was offered financially and more importantly the longer term plan. Life was now getting interesting.

 

5. His agent made contact with Everton FC and initial talks began - Moshiri outlined exactly where he wants Everton to be in 3-5 years and how he will structure the club to achieve those goals and more importantly, the role that he wanted Koeman to play in our re-birth. - Koeman was buzzing off this both financially and and more importantly off the plan going forward.

 

6. We didn't snatch Koeman from you. Your club lost him with their lack of ambition. Southampton FC have reached their glass ceiling now - we are about to smash ours into a thousand pieces.

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It's not me you should be having a go at - you really need to start questioning your owners, your board and their ambition. Your owners have money (a lot of money) I understand. They really need to start to grow a set.

 

Agree that perhaps some our board should adopt a more robust approach in telling certain clubs to f^ck off but don't accept critiscism of our owner who has been behind 6/7 years of continual growth. I'd rather have that approach than some Arab c^nt just trying to 'buy it' by throwing silly money at it. I think Pompey tried that approach. And Leeds.

 

Anyway, haven't you got a vigil to attend, go light some candles for something ?

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That's one hell of a leap. SFC have engineered the entire thing now and helpless Ronald is in fact the victim forced to hoover up six million quid a year from Everton against his will?

 

Great stuff.

 

I'm waiting for the Sin to splash this story lifted from SW

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It's not me you should be having a go at - you really need to start questioning your owners, your board and their ambition. Your owners have money (a lot of money) I understand. They really need to start to grow a set.

 

Yeh because I've hated progressing year on year at our own pace even with major sales and managerial changes , you're right we need new owners hahaha!

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Hi, Everton fan here...Here's my take on all this malarky.

 

1. Koeman was always Moshiri's number 1 target. However initial approaches were rejected. The season had just finished everyone at your club was on a high including Koeman. Life was sweet.

 

2. We started looking elsewhere and received indications that Emery was open to talks - so our focus shifted and talks with his agent got underway, however noise was also coming out of Milan and Paris. He was very much in demand and I guess he wasn't sure exactly where his future lay. However talks still rumbled on.

 

3. Koeman changed agencies and they entered talks with your chief exec about contract extensions and future plans/funding. Life was still sweet.

 

4. From what I understand Koeman wasn't happy with what was offered financially and more importantly the longer term plan. Life was now getting interesting.

 

5. His agent made contact with Everton FC and initial talks began - Moshiri outlined exactly where he wants Everton to be in 3-5 years and how he will structure the club to achieve those goals and more importantly, the role that he wanted Koeman to play in our re-birth. - Koeman was buzzing off this both financially and and more importantly off the plan going forward.

 

6. We didn't snatch Koeman from you. Your club lost him with their lack of ambition. Southampton FC have reached their glass ceiling now - we are about to smash ours into a thousand pieces.

 

1. You area number 1 knob.

 

2. Kindly go elsewhere.

 

3. You are still a knob.

 

4. You are not interesting.

 

5. In 3-5 years you will still be an utter knob ...

 

6. Bore off ...

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Hi, Everton fan here...Here's my take on all this malarky.

 

1. Koeman was always Moshiri's number 1 target. However initial approaches were rejected. The season had just finished everyone at your club was on a high including Koeman. Life was sweet.

 

2. We started looking elsewhere and received indications that Emery was open to talks - so our focus shifted and talks with his agent got underway, however noise was also coming out of Milan and Paris. He was very much in demand and I guess he wasn't sure exactly where his future lay. However talks still rumbled on.

 

3. Koeman changed agencies and they entered talks with your chief exec about contract extensions and future plans/funding. Life was still sweet.

 

4. From what I understand Koeman wasn't happy with what was offered financially and more importantly the longer term plan. Life was now getting interesting.

 

5. His agent made contact with Everton FC and initial talks began - Moshiri outlined exactly where he wants Everton to be in 3-5 years and how he will structure the club to achieve those goals and more importantly, the role that he wanted Koeman to play in our re-birth. - Koeman was buzzing off this both financially and and more importantly off the plan going forward.

 

6. We didn't snatch Koeman from you. Your club lost him with their lack of ambition. Southampton FC have reached their glass ceiling now - we are about to smash ours into a thousand pieces.

 

LOL. What a bell end.

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If by 'lack of ambition' you mean not making him one of the highest paid managers in Europe.

 

Also I really wouldn't get too cocky about 'smashing your glass ceiling into a thousand pieces'. Van Gaal spent £250m at Utd and went nowhere. The competition is only getting stiffer. Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea and Utd will always be up there. Now you can add Spurs to the list, Liverpool are telling everyone this will be their year (for the 20th summer in a row) and even West Ham are chucking the money around. Saints, like it or not still have a better squad too. You have 3 players big clubs might be after, we have 6. 7 if you include Pelle possibly going to Juve.

 

You're going to need that money just be in the top 8, not the top 4.

 

Newcastle spent £75m last season... they went somewhere.

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Hi, Everton fan here...Here's my take on all this malarky.

 

1. Koeman was always Moshiri's number 1 target. However initial approaches were rejected. The season had just finished everyone at your club was on a high including Koeman. Life was sweet.

 

2. We started looking elsewhere and received indications that Emery was open to talks - so our focus shifted and talks with his agent got underway, however noise was also coming out of Milan and Paris. He was very much in demand and I guess he wasn't sure exactly where his future lay. However talks still rumbled on.

 

3. Koeman changed agencies and they entered talks with your chief exec about contract extensions and future plans/funding. Life was still sweet.

 

4. From what I understand Koeman wasn't happy with what was offered financially and more importantly the longer term plan. Life was now getting interesting.

 

5. His agent made contact with Everton FC and initial talks began - Moshiri outlined exactly where he wants Everton to be in 3-5 years and how he will structure the club to achieve those goals and more importantly, the role that he wanted Koeman to play in our re-birth. - Koeman was buzzing off this both financially and and more importantly off the plan going forward.

 

6. We didn't snatch Koeman from you. Your club lost him with their lack of ambition. Southampton FC have reached their glass ceiling now - we are about to smash ours into a thousand pieces.

 

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I am afraid that the players respect him even less. I know Howe has no pedigree to speak off but everyone has to start somewhere, even Ferguson, and Howe's potential, personal circumstances etc etc while, not being the exact fit, comes closer than the likes of Moyes Hughes Martinez etc. The Premiership remains our bread and butter and Howe is a young Premiership manager.

 

what do they think of Erwin and Sammy Lee ?

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If that's the case and if Koeman's negotiations go tits up between Everton and Saints, SFS will have to sack him for disloyalty; so we won't get 2-3 million euros compensation from Everton. That would be sad.
what I find interesting in all this is that Koeman and his agent have put themselves in a very weak bargaining position due to the very public nature of all this. Everton could now say, hmmm, you know that £7million a year salary .. forget that.. how does £4million sound? That might be more to our liking.

 

Don't like it? Well, you could always go back to Southampton, right? Ummm, well not now, he can't.

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Talking of ambition, looks like Koeman's first signing is going to be Scott Dann :lol:

 

please, this has to be true. They are talking Manolas, Isco, Mata and such like for their unstoppable march to the champions league on their forum

 

and this is the reality. Scot Dann??

 

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what I find interesting in all this is that Koeman and his agent have put themselves in a very weak bargaining position due to the very public nature of all this. Everton could now say, hmmm, you know that £7million a year salary .. forget that.. how does £4million sound? That might be more to our liking.

 

Don't like it? Well, you could always go back to Southampton, right? Ummm, well not now, he can't.

 

I think he may be sensible enough to have asked for it in writing.

 

 

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£100m? We got that for Lallana, Shaw, Morgan, Chambers & Clyne. Bought well and still finished above them 2 years on the trot.

Ron will spunk that cash on 4 mediocre-to-decent players. Then what?

It's not about the money, it's about the team and the philosophy. I'd rather be us.

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The Everton glass ceiling is always just under the asshole of Liverpool, even when the red half finish 8th the blue noses ensure they finish well below them.

 

all the smashing of their glass ceiling will do is ensure Klopp and co are pulling glass shards out of their asses as once again the blues will be looking upwards at Liverpool......and Southampton :D

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(Information that has been passed on starts) Not just Les Reed. We are a club with multiple departments, all of which are talented in collating and reviewing information, and making recommendations based on that information. In the past, how much attention players pay to their reviews has been a good indicator to the expected level of future commitment (Lallana). At the moment, our reviews are pointing to a number of worrying factors. We are not playing to the clubs preferred formation, despite purchasing players identified as being able to do so. Our training regimes are very segregated, and our post match analysis software is pointing to mistakes being repeated time after time. The path from the youth team to the first has been apparently shut, and those parents who advised their children to choose SFC over other suitors for reasons of development and who were already angry being misled, are now furious over Koeman's public statement on the subject.

 

SFC is not an unfeeling corporate machine, and in times of goals aplenty and top eight places there is leeway on our methods, but given that most departments have voiced concerns over the direction and atmosphere of the first team, and those who are seemingly barred from joining it, adding to Koeman's unwillingness to commit and our horrific run of results (Information that has been passed on end)

 

I would not be surprised if anything less than 6 points in the next 2 games sees Ronald stay until the summer. I am waiting on confirmation, but i enquired as to whether feelers have been put out over a new manager as of yet.

 

Remember this - posted in January? Blue noses please take note before you start going on about glass-ceilings and lack of ambition.

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I find this "ambition" a little distasteful. It seems to be all about how much money the chairman/owner is prepared to throw at the thing. Whether that be in spending £100m on players on vastly over inflated wages, or vastly over inflating the wages of existing players. Is that really all it is? Me, I want more balance than that. I want the academy players to come through. Maybe sell one or two to fund new players and do things that way. It's funny though, this money lark. Blackburn were accused of buying the title. Then Chelsea were continually accused of doing it. By accused, I mean a criticism and derision that it was almost akin to cheating. But now everyone is at it and no one accuses anyone any more of buying the title. Players on upwards of £15m a year. Managers not too far behind. Ticket prices through the roof. Sky charging up to £80 a month. BT increasing their prices across the board.

 

Now if you went to a school playground in Toxteth and said to the wee boys kicking a ball around that they were going to be professional football players, but that the maximum wage they would earn would be half a million a year, how many do you think would say that that wasn't enough and they would rather sit at home and claim the dole? Football finance is hugely unattractive. Don't get me wrong, Saints are just as bad as everyone else, it's just a question of degrees, and to me it has killed the sport. But then I guess it gave up any pretence of being a sport quite some years ago.

 

So, when we have these stupid little kids from Everton coming on giving it the Billy Big Bullocks, I really don't care. If their club wants to spend hundreds of millions then so be it. I am more than happy that our club is trying to stick to some sort of plan and is fiscally not too badly run (even though we have a debt of £48m) and of course our tickets are overpriced. But I am very glad that we didn't match the £7m to keep Koeman. In fact it seems rather strange that EFC have to pay that much to get him if it was the transfer budget that attracted him. As I have said before and mentioned above, there is one aspect of the past 2 years that I have really missed. Poch was brilliant at it, and that was bringing through the academy players. One game we had (I think) 7 that featured. With Koeman it is usually 1 if that - Matty. Maybe the others weren't good enough, but it is a little strange how from Poch's time we go from a good few to nothing. I hope the new manager will bring through the academy players, rather than just go out and buy in players. But having said that, the results of the past 2 seasons have been good. So thank you RK and good bye. Time to move on. I never had any interest in Everton before this, and RK going there doesn't change it. Like all our opponents, I want them all to lose all the time (which of course isn't possible), and us to finish above them all.

 

PS - reading the post above and Guan's post contained in it, it seems that I am in tune with the club re the academy.

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I find this "ambition" a little distasteful. It seems to be all about how much money the chairman/owner is prepared to throw at the thing. Whether that be in spending £100m on players on vastly over inflated wages, or vastly over inflating the wages of existing players. Is that really all it is? Me, I want more balance than that. I want the academy players to come through. Maybe sell one or two to fund new players and do things that way. It's funny though, this money lark. Blackburn were accused of buying the title. Then Chelsea were continually accused of doing it. By accused, I mean a criticism and derision that it was almost akin to cheating. But now everyone is at it and no one accuses anyone any more of buying the title. Players on upwards of £15m a year. Managers not too far behind. Ticket prices through the roof. Sky charging up to £80 a month. BT increasing their prices across the board.

 

Now if you went to a school playground in Toxteth and said to the wee boys kicking a ball around that they were going to be professional football players, but that the maximum wage they would earn would be half a million a year, how many do you think would say that that wasn't enough and they would rather sit at home and claim the dole? Football finance is hugely unattractive. Don't get me wrong, Saints are just as bad as everyone else, it's just a question of degrees, and to me it has killed the sport. But then I guess it gave up any pretence of being a sport quite some years ago.

 

So, when we have these stupid little kids from Everton coming on giving it the Billy Big Bullocks, I really don't care. If their club wants to spend hundreds of millions then so be it. I am more than happy that our club is trying to stick to some sort of plan and is fiscally not too badly run (even though we have a debt of £48m) and of course our tickets are overpriced. But I am very glad that we didn't match the £7m to keep Koeman. In fact it seems rather strange that EFC have to pay that much to get him if it was the transfer budget that attracted him. As I have said before and mentioned above, there is one aspect of the past 2 years that I have really missed. Poch was brilliant at it, and that was bringing through the academy players. One game we had (I think) 7 that featured. With Koeman it is usually 1 if that - Matty. Maybe the others weren't good enough, but it is a little strange how from Poch's time we go from a good few to nothing. I hope the new manager will bring through the academy players, rather than just go out and buy in players. But having said that, the results of the past 2 seasons have been good. So thank you RK and good bye. Time to move on. I never had any interest in Everton before this, and RK going there doesn't change it. Like all our opponents, I want them all to lose all the time (which of course isn't possible), and us to finish above them all.

 

PS - reading the post above and Guan's post contained in it, it seems that I am in tune with the club re the academy.

 

Good post. Some well needed perspective.

 

I love the club for what it is and I very much love our philosophy. I wouldn't want us to change.

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Does any one else think £100m transfer fund sounds... A bit meh... It's not really 'all guns blazing' ambition kinda money is it..?

Sure Ron would go for a double your money job, but in today's prem, £100m isn't that impressive, I bet we spent £60m+

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After the mouthing off it seems to me that Everton have dropped a major clanger publicising £100m at least to spend. It probably means four ordinary players for the money, much like Liverpool. £25m each for £10+m players now their clubs know about the money.

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Apart from the mega money signings the blue noses are creaming themselves about, there will be the associated massive hike in wages. We know all to well (Gaston & Osvaldo) what big money blow outs can cost. Spend your money wisely Ronny boy or you'll be in the smit in no time. I hope!

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After the mouthing off it seems to me that Everton have dropped a major clanger publicising £100m at least to spend. It probably means four ordinary players for the money, much like Liverpool. £25m each for £10+m players now their clubs know about the money.

 

Everyone knew we had money to burn in 2014; it didn't force us to overpay.

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I heard this last night from a very good friend of Erwin's so perhaps there is something in this

 

Not sure if he did/doesn't want to stay or go, but as an outsider looking in I hypothesize he was tapped up a while ago. He wanted to keep things under wraps, either to weigh up his options or because he had already committed but wanted the club to sack him off first for not accepting the extended contract. He sacked off his old manager, for leaking the news prior to end of season.

 

Either way, he's made his own bed now...

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I find this "ambition" a little distasteful. It seems to be all about how much money the chairman/owner is prepared to throw at the thing. Whether that be in spending £100m on players on vastly over inflated wages, or vastly over inflating the wages of existing players. Is that really all it is? Me, I want more balance than that. I want the academy players to come through. Maybe sell one or two to fund new players and do things that way. It's funny though, this money lark. Blackburn were accused of buying the title. Then Chelsea were continually accused of doing it. By accused, I mean a criticism and derision that it was almost akin to cheating. But now everyone is at it and no one accuses anyone any more of buying the title. Players on upwards of £15m a year. Managers not too far behind. Ticket prices through the roof. Sky charging up to £80 a month. BT increasing their prices across the board.

 

Now if you went to a school playground in Toxteth and said to the wee boys kicking a ball around that they were going to be professional football players, but that the maximum wage they would earn would be half a million a year, how many do you think would say that that wasn't enough and they would rather sit at home and claim the dole? Football finance is hugely unattractive. Don't get me wrong, Saints are just as bad as everyone else, it's just a question of degrees, and to me it has killed the sport. But then I guess it gave up any pretence of being a sport quite some years ago.

 

So, when we have these stupid little kids from Everton coming on giving it the Billy Big Bullocks, I really don't care. If their club wants to spend hundreds of millions then so be it. I am more than happy that our club is trying to stick to some sort of plan and is fiscally not too badly run (even though we have a debt of £48m) and of course our tickets are overpriced. But I am very glad that we didn't match the £7m to keep Koeman. In fact it seems rather strange that EFC have to pay that much to get him if it was the transfer budget that attracted him. As I have said before and mentioned above, there is one aspect of the past 2 years that I have really missed. Poch was brilliant at it, and that was bringing through the academy players. One game we had (I think) 7 that featured. With Koeman it is usually 1 if that - Matty. Maybe the others weren't good enough, but it is a little strange how from Poch's time we go from a good few to nothing. I hope the new manager will bring through the academy players, rather than just go out and buy in players. But having said that, the results of the past 2 seasons have been good. So thank you RK and good bye. Time to move on. I never had any interest in Everton before this, and RK going there doesn't change it. Like all our opponents, I want them all to lose all the time (which of course isn't possible), and us to finish above them all.

 

PS - reading the post above and Guan's post contained in it, it seems that I am in tune with the club re the academy.

 

My guess is that this is what the club want back. Koeman has bought some good times but one assumes that there is probably a wish to get back to the programme. I'm not overly worried, and like when Poch took over, actually quite excited about a new potential dynamic coach coming in. It still works that the club get Ronald to be the bad guy and a new exciting direction is set. Things move fast in football and if RK doesn't believe in it or no longer fits in, I'll say thanks to him for the past two years which have been really good and look forward to the next appointment.

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Everyone knew we had money to burn in 2014; it didn't force us to overpay.

 

No we didn't, a big chunk of our sales went towards paying off some of the debt built up under Cortese. I don't remember Saints ever making public statements (official or otherwise) saying we were going to spend big.

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I'd say that if you already have a strong side and want to strengthen in 3-4 areas it would be enough. But with the changes they'll need to make I don't think £100m will touch the sides.

 

IIRC we failed to beat Everton last season. Didn't they batter us 3-0? Then when they played a weakened side we still couldn't beat them. Not sure they are in need of that much of an overhaul. Martinez had lost them. A decent manager could make a difference right from the start.

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I think that was because we chose our targets carefully. Apart From Ryan, did anyone else come from the PL?

 

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SHANE LONGGGG! bet no one thinks we overpaid now, do they :smug:

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