Ron Koeman

[Suhari]

Who knows, but I don't think there was ever a scenario in whereby the club let him sit out his final year without extending.

 

Cortese wouldn't have done, pretty certain abount that!

[Saint Charlie]

Will that be on an Everton fans Whatsapp group?

No. Its an old email thing called Toffee List that I am a member of. Can forward if you like?

[saint77]

Koeman doesn't really want to go.....but he is now being forced.

Bridges are burnt.

His agent has played a game and bluff has been called.

There's loads to this.

Beside the money.

Koeman should've never shown interest in Everton...well it was the agent actually.....tits up spring to mind.

 

He will toe the line.

 

 

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I heard this last night from a very good friend of Erwin's so perhaps there is something in this

[Turkish]

No no. Koeman is a big boy and he knows what he's doing. He wants the money and has made his choice. It's ridiculous how often people blame agents in attempt to blame anyone but the manager/player themself

 

Totally agree. He's a big boy, no one is holding a gun to his head. I'm sure if he wanted to stay he's brave enough to tell someone he's worked with for only 4 weeks where to stick it. Let's be blunt, joining the dots it doesn't look good for him. Promising all along he's see his contract out, knocking Everton back, getting an offer from saints and though and behold Everton come back with a much better offer only a few days later. Plus the changing of agent only a few weeks ago. Why did he do that if he was happy to see his contract out? Unfortunately it looks like SFC have been played yet again. I don't blame the board Koemans been a slippery, lying helmet and let everyone down. He seemed to be a man of honour but is even worse than Pochetino, at least he didn't pretend he wasn't a decietful *****.

[Dig Dig]

Koeman is a ****. Plain and simple. He could have just signed. But no.

 

I think the insinuation is that he didn't want to sign but wanted to stay. But now has to go to Everton

[Saint Charlie]

This is v similar to what I heard from an impeccable source (not a player) and the club have known for more than a fortnight he was not going to extend. Why Reed released that interview I have no idea. Many of the players don't rate Koeman. He is aloof and interacts little at training. His brother is more highly rated and liked. At half time in the away game at Leicester he nastily and publicly castigated and belittled Targett in a manner many present thought unacceptable.

 

Although he has done well for us and the fact his departure will rock the boat for a while, I am none to sad he is going and as I said before and not too many of the players will be particularly bothered either. Howe would get my vote as he is not likely to want to move too far and we need managerial continuity if we want to maintain our recent growth.

Whilst I don't dount that is correct, the Manager isn't there to be well liked, he is there to get results: which he did.

 

At every club a section of players will dislike the Manager..it is only a problem when they all do and it affects performances.

[Badger]

This is v similar to what I heard from an impeccable source (not a player) and the club have known for more than a fortnight he was not going to extend. Why Reed released that interview I have no idea. Many of the players don't rate Koeman. He is aloof and interacts little at training. His brother is more highly rated and liked. At half time in the away game at Leicester he nastily and publicly castigated and belittled Targett in a manner many present thought unacceptable.

 

Although he has done well for us and the fact his departure will rock the boat for a while, I am none to sad he is going and as I said before and not too many of the players will be particularly bothered either. Howe would get my vote as he is not likely to want to move too far and we need managerial continuity if we want to maintain our recent growth.

 

I'd be surprised if Erwin didn't follow RK out, but what chances of him staying and taking over ?

 

That would cetainly be a surprising sting in the tail to all this.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Will that be on an Everton fans Whatsapp group?

 

You can take the **** , but the Everton blokes saying its a done deal have been right , or am I missing something ?

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

This is v similar to what I heard from an impeccable source (not a player) and the club have known for more than a fortnight he was not going to extend. Why Reed released that interview I have no idea. Many of the players don't rate Koeman. He is aloof and interacts little at training. His brother is more highly rated and liked. At half time in the away game at Leicester he nastily and publicly castigated and belittled Targett in a manner many present thought unacceptable.

 

Although he has done well for us and the fact his departure will rock the boat for a while, I am none to sad he is going and as I said before and not too many of the players will be particularly bothered either. Howe would get my vote as he is not likely to want to move too far and we need managerial continuity if we want to maintain our recent growth.

 

That was going great until your last sentence. No way does Howe have the pedigree to take us forward.

[Saint86]

I've always thought that there was more to this than RK wanting to go, this is part the club decision as well.

 

I remember Guan, or k,billy, mentioned that if he wouldn't sign an extension they wouldn't be against 'moving him' on this summer. I think in some respects this is what has happened. He was probably more than happy enough to stay for the last year and wouldn't have forced an exit. This is why I think people are being a bit too quick to jump in the 'Koeman is a c**t who has no loyalty' bandwagon.

The penny is dropping. The club have done a PR job on koeman like so many others. It even extends to "ITK" snippets on here. Rather than an amicable departure he joints the list of everyone else leaving saints being a disposable scumbag. Coincidental that that is almost exclusive to people that leave saints. Just or lies from the club. I have no issue with koeman going if he won't extend. But there are right ways and wrong ways to do it! A thank you and farewell is better than tarnishing a man's image when we're actually forcing him out regardless.

 

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[ecuk268]

Who knows, but I don't think there was ever a scenario in whereby the club let him sit out his final year without extending.

 

I heard an interview with him just before the final game of the season and he spoke about the situation when he was at Feyenoord. He had a 1 year contract and simply renewed it at the end of each season for 3 years until he left to come here. Apparently, this is quite common in Europe and he seemed a bit bemused about the practice of signing a new contract a year before the current one ends.

[Dangermouth]

Maybe Guan, KBS, one of our Dutch supporters can comment on Erwin. From what little I've seen and heard I think he would be pretty good but would like to know what others think.

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

You can take the **** , but the Everton blokes saying its a done deal have been right , or am I missing something ?

Yeah, the obvious fact that it isn't yet a done deal.

[ericofarabia]

I am surprised at just how much I hope it all goes t!ts up him at Everton if he does move on.

 

I remember having a big chuckle to myself when I first heard the rumour about Everton making a bid for him, now in a state of shock that he is most likely going to them, rather than seeing out his contract as he has always claimed he'd do.

 

Just hope there isn't too much collateral damage with players wanting out, or him coming back to try and poach a few of them, as he has done with other clubs he's been with previously.

[eelpie]

This is v similar to what I heard from an impeccable source (not a player) and the club have known for more than a fortnight he was not going to extend. Why Reed released that interview I have no idea. Many of the players don't rate Koeman. He is aloof and interacts little at training. His brother is more highly rated and liked. At half time in the away game at Leicester he nastily and publicly castigated and belittled Targett in a manner many present thought unacceptable.

 

Although he has done well for us and the fact his departure will rock the boat for a while, I am none to sad he is going and as I said before and not too many of the players will be particularly bothered either. Howe would get my vote as he is not likely to want to move too far and we need managerial continuity if we want to maintain our recent growth.

 

If that's the case and if Koeman's negotiations go tits up between Everton and Saints, SFS will have to sack him for disloyalty; so we won't get 2-3 million euros compensation from Everton. That would be sad.

[Chalkboy]

Whilst I don't dount that is correct, the Manager isn't there to be well liked, he is there to get results: which he did.

 

At every club a section of players will dislike the Manager..it is only a problem when they all do and it affects performances.

 

Performances were pretty poor during that bad run and for the first half of the season the team didn't seem "themselves". Who knows. But I got the feeling things weren't great behind the scenes.

[eelpie]

I'd be surprised if Erwin didn't follow RK out, but what chances of him staying and taking over ?

 

That would cetainly be a surprising sting in the tail to all this.

 

It would certainly expose and isolate Koeman in a difficult job at Everton

[SuperSAINT]

I have quoted this a couple of times. The story I heard a couple of months ago was we were going to hold talks with RK about his contract. If he wasnt prepared to extend it we were going to give him the heave ho. Firstly it shows lack of commitment and would not fit in with our long term plans. The package we were going to offer would have included a considerable pay rise and a reduction of our sell big, buy cheap policy.

Dont forget we have already given players really good new contracts. I have also heard Pelle doesnt want leave, Mane and Wanyama are open to good deals to stay.

I never claim to be ITK but this is a very good source.

 

Interesting post. Don't buy that last bit though!

[beatlesaint]

Maybe Guan, KBS, one of our Dutch supporters can comment on Erwin. From what little I've seen and heard I think he would be pretty good but would like to know what others think.

 

i think it's irrelevant as he will go with his brother. The one who is probably ****ed off is Jan Kluitenberg who seems to absolutely love being at the club and living in the area.

[SuperSAINT]

I still want to hear about this "New Direction" that we've heard about - I assume that's linked to a new coach?

[beatlesaint]

I still want to hear about this "New Direction" that we've heard about - I assume that's linked to a new coach?

 

perhaos Manji's post gives a clue with the reduction of the sell big, buy cheap policy ?

[TheGuineaPig]

Koeman doesn't really want to go.....but he is now being forced.

Bridges are burnt.

His agent has played a game and bluff has been called.

There's loads to this.

Beside the money.

Koeman should've never shown interest in Everton...well it was the agent actually.....tits up spring to mind.

 

He will toe the line.

 

 

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That's ridiculous - go and have a lie down

[saint lard]

The club have moved to shift Koeman on....quickly.

 

 

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[Batman]

The club have moved to shift Koeman on....quickly.

 

 

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any idea on who they 'want' in?

[stknowle]

They're displaying all the hallmarks of a younger brother who has been belittled and bullied all their lives. Remind you of anyone?

 

Yes! My younger brother!!

[Saint Charlie]

i think it's irrelevant as he will go with his brother. The one who is probably ****ed off is Jan Kluitenberg who seems to absolutely love being at the club and living in the area.

If Koeman is getting a big pay rise he will make sure the others do too. Sammy Lee likely to be most annoyed if our new guy doesn't him around because he won't be going to Everton.

[SuperSAINT]

The club have moved to shift Koeman on....quickly.

 

I'm sure he'll be fine with his 140k a week

[Saint Charlie]

The club have moved to shift Koeman on....quickly.

 

 

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LOL. He decides what he does not Saints. We might not be overly fussed bu we havent "moved to shift him on".

[Saint Billy]

If Koeman is getting a big pay rise he will make sure the others do too. Sammy Lee likely to be most annoyed if our new guy doesn't him around because he won't be going to Everton.

 

Hope Sammy stays!.

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

If Koeman is getting a big pay rise he will make sure the others do too. Sammy Lee likely to be most annoyed if our new guy doesn't him around because he won't be going to Everton.

 

Funny you mention him. Do you remember a few weeks back, end of season, someone on here saying he was well ****ed off / body language really bad etc? Perhaps things were going on back then?

[ericofarabia]

I reckon the delay in it going over the finishing line is his "You Blue Nosed Nobbers won't see my ar$e for dust the next time the Barca or Dutch National Post comes up for grabs" clause in his contract ;-)

[saint lard]

That's ridiculous - go and have a lie down

 

The moment he was indecisive.......we said take it or leave it..... He's in a corner.

 

 

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[InvictaSaint]

The moment he was indecisive.......we said take it or leave it..... He's in a corner.

 

 

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Obvious question but how do you know this to be true?

[Whitey Grandad]

I think the insinuation is that he didn't want to sign but wanted to stay. But now has to go to Everton

 

Nice

[Fitzhugh Fella]

i think it's irrelevant as he will go with his brother. The one who is probably ****ed off is Jan Kluitenberg who seems to absolutely love being at the club and living in the area.

 

I am afraid that the players respect him even less. I know Howe has no pedigree to speak off but everyone has to start somewhere, even Ferguson, and Howe's potential, personal circumstances etc etc while, not being the exact fit, comes closer than the likes of Moyes Hughes Martinez etc. The Premiership remains our bread and butter and Howe is a young Premiership manager.

[CB Fry]

The penny is dropping. The club have done a PR job on koeman like so many others. It even extends to "ITK" snippets on here. Rather than an amicable departure he joints the list of everyone else leaving saints being a disposable scumbag. Coincidental that that is almost exclusive to people that leave saints. Just or lies from the club. I have no issue with koeman going if he won't extend. But there are right ways and wrong ways to do it! A thank you and farewell is better than tarnishing a man's image when we're actually forcing him out regardless.

 

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That's one hell of a leap. SFC have engineered the entire thing now and helpless Ronald is in fact the victim forced to hoover up six million quid a year from Everton against his will?

 

Great stuff.

 

PS. Loads of managers and players quit clubs and are then subsequently hated by the fans left behind. It is not unique to SFC in any way shape or form.

[Saint Billy]

I am afraid that the players respect him even less. I know Howe has no pedigree to speak off but everyone has to start somewhere, even Ferguson, and Howe's potential, personal circumstances etc etc while, not being the exact fit, comes closer than the likes of Moyes Hughes Martinez etc. The Premiership remains our bread and butter and Howe is a young Premiership manager.

 

I'm coming round to the idea but will Howe leave the safety of his spiritual home?.

 

Plus, are we not doing the same to Bournemouth as Everton are doing to us which has upset so many on here?.

[TheGuineaPig]

Hi, Everton fan here...Here's my take on all this malarky.

 

1. Koeman was always Moshiri's number 1 target. However initial approaches were rejected. The season had just finished everyone at your club was on a high including Koeman. Life was sweet.

 

2. We started looking elsewhere and received indications that Emery was open to talks - so our focus shifted and talks with his agent got underway, however noise was also coming out of Milan and Paris. He was very much in demand and I guess he wasn't sure exactly where his future lay. However talks still rumbled on.

 

3. Koeman changed agencies and they entered talks with your chief exec about contract extensions and future plans/funding. Life was still sweet.

 

4. From what I understand Koeman wasn't happy with what was offered financially and more importantly the longer term plan. Life was now getting interesting.

 

5. His agent made contact with Everton FC and initial talks began - Moshiri outlined exactly where he wants Everton to be in 3-5 years and how he will structure the club to achieve those goals and more importantly, the role that he wanted Koeman to play in our re-birth. - Koeman was buzzing off this both financially and and more importantly off the plan going forward.

 

6. We didn't snatch Koeman from you. Your club lost him with their lack of ambition. Southampton FC have reached their glass ceiling now - we are about to smash ours into a thousand pieces.

[Restark19]

Yawn^

[Batman]

another one claiming everton are on some unstoppable march to titles and trophies

 

you do realise there are a enough clubs bigger richer and better than you to ensure you will only really achieve what we recently have?

[Downthe36]

Hi, Everton fan here...Here's my take on all this malarky.

 

1. Koeman was always Moshiri's number 1 target. However initial approaches were rejected. The season had just finished everyone at your club was on a high including Koeman. Life was sweet.

 

2. We started looking elsewhere and received indications that Emery was open to talks - so our focus shifted and talks with his agent got underway, however noise was also coming out of Milan and Paris. He was very much in demand and I guess he wasn't sure exactly where his future lay. However talks still rumbled on.

 

3. Koeman changed agencies and they entered talks with your chief exec about contract extensions and future plans/funding. Life was still sweet.

 

4. From what I understand Koeman wasn't happy with what was offered financially and more importantly the longer term plan. Life was now getting interesting.

 

5. His agent made contact with Everton FC and initial talks began - Moshiri outlined exactly where he wants Everton to be in 3-5 years and how he will structure the club to achieve those goals and more importantly, the role that he wanted Koeman to play in our re-birth. - Koeman was buzzing off this both financially and and more importantly off the plan going forward.

 

6. We didn't snatch Koeman from you. Your club lost him with their lack of ambition. Southampton FC have reached their glass ceiling now - we are about to smash ours into a thousand pieces.

 

Hope your club suffers a death by a thousand cuts, those glass ceilings can be a b*stard.

[hypochondriac]

Christ can we ban all these pig headed Everton fans. They have achieved precisely nothing of note yet and if they now go and do a qpr it will be even more hilarious.

[Colinjb]

Interesting how some people need to revel in the perceived suffering of others to mask their own insecurities.

 

Personally, I look forward to seeing the club I love do what we do best, evolving and growing. Our club and recent success is not down to one man.

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[Jack]

We've got plenty enough helmets on this forum, we don't need a load of helmets from Liverpool trying to rub it in.

 

Smash through the glass ceiling eh? Which clubs exactly to you intend on displacing in the top 4/6? Every club and agent will know Everton have money to burn and £100m isn't exactly much these days. Ask Liverpool. Aimlessly throwing money at a problem doesn't work. I'm confident we'll be above Everton for a while yet.

[Chalkboy]

Hi, Everton fan here...Here's my take on all this malarky.

 

1. Koeman was always Moshiri's number 1 target. However initial approaches were rejected. The season had just finished everyone at your club was on a high including Koeman. Life was sweet.

 

2. We started looking elsewhere and received indications that Emery was open to talks - so our focus shifted and talks with his agent got underway, however noise was also coming out of Milan and Paris. He was very much in demand and I guess he wasn't sure exactly where his future lay. However talks still rumbled on.

 

3. Koeman changed agencies and they entered talks with your chief exec about contract extensions and future plans/funding. Life was still sweet.

 

4. From what I understand Koeman wasn't happy with what was offered financially and more importantly the longer term plan. Life was now getting interesting.

 

5. His agent made contact with Everton FC and initial talks began - Moshiri outlined exactly where he wants Everton to be in 3-5 years and how he will structure the club to achieve those goals and more importantly, the role that he wanted Koeman to play in our re-birth. - Koeman was buzzing off this both financially and and more importantly off the plan going forward.

 

6. We didn't snatch Koeman from you. Your club lost him with their lack of ambition. Southampton FC have reached their glass ceiling now - we are about to smash ours into a thousand pieces.

 

It was interesting reading until point 6. Rather sad that you take the time to post on here with such a gloating, arrogant stance. Hope you got a thrill out if it.

[JakkoUK]

Everton used to be a club I very much respected, but in the past few days my opinions totally changed. What a bunch of self absorbent ****s. I understand that this is not the majority, most likely just a vocal minority. But seriously if you have nothing good to say other then gloat and act like petty kids on the playground saying "my dads bigger than yours etc etc" than rightly just don't say anything.

[Whitey Grandad]

Hi, Everton fan here...Here's my take on all this malarky.

 

1. Koeman was always Moshiri's number 1 target. However initial approaches were rejected. The season had just finished everyone at your club was on a high including Koeman. Life was sweet.

 

2. We started looking elsewhere and received indications that Emery was open to talks - so our focus shifted and talks with his agent got underway, however noise was also coming out of Milan and Paris. He was very much in demand and I guess he wasn't sure exactly where his future lay. However talks still rumbled on.

 

3. Koeman changed agencies and they entered talks with your chief exec about contract extensions and future plans/funding. Life was still sweet.

 

4. From what I understand Koeman wasn't happy with what was offered financially and more importantly the longer term plan. Life was now getting interesting.

 

5. His agent made contact with Everton FC and initial talks began - Moshiri outlined exactly where he wants Everton to be in 3-5 years and how he will structure the club to achieve those goals and more importantly, the role that he wanted Koeman to play in our re-birth. - Koeman was buzzing off this both financially and and more importantly off the plan going forward.

 

6. We didn't snatch Koeman from you. Your club lost him with their lack of ambition. Southampton FC have reached their glass ceiling now - we are about to smash ours into a thousand pieces.

 

Hi and thanks for your input.

 

You were doing fine until you got to the bit about 'lack of ambition'. I know we all love our respective clubs but any objective observer will not equate Everton with ambition. Good luck for next season. You're going to need it

[Lighthouse]

Hi, Everton fan here...Here's my take on all this malarky.

 

1. Koeman was always Moshiri's number 1 target. However initial approaches were rejected. The season had just finished everyone at your club was on a high including Koeman. Life was sweet.

 

2. We started looking elsewhere and received indications that Emery was open to talks - so our focus shifted and talks with his agent got underway, however noise was also coming out of Milan and Paris. He was very much in demand and I guess he wasn't sure exactly where his future lay. However talks still rumbled on.

 

3. Koeman changed agencies and they entered talks with your chief exec about contract extensions and future plans/funding. Life was still sweet.

 

4. From what I understand Koeman wasn't happy with what was offered financially and more importantly the longer term plan. Life was now getting interesting.

 

5. His agent made contact with Everton FC and initial talks began - Moshiri outlined exactly where he wants Everton to be in 3-5 years and how he will structure the club to achieve those goals and more importantly, the role that he wanted Koeman to play in our re-birth. - Koeman was buzzing off this both financially and and more importantly off the plan going forward.

 

6. We didn't snatch Koeman from you. Your club lost him with their lack of ambition. Southampton FC have reached their glass ceiling now - we are about to smash ours into a thousand pieces.

 

If by 'lack of ambition' you mean not making him one of the highest paid managers in Europe.

 

Also I really wouldn't get too cocky about 'smashing your glass ceiling into a thousand pieces'. Van Gaal spent £250m at Utd and went nowhere. The competition is only getting stiffer. Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea and Utd will always be up there. Now you can add Spurs to the list, Liverpool are telling everyone this will be their year (for the 20th summer in a row) and even West Ham are chucking the money around. Saints, like it or not still have a better squad too. You have 3 players big clubs might be after, we have 6. 7 if you include Pelle possibly going to Juve.

 

You're going to need that money just be in the top 8, not the top 4.

[TheGuineaPig]

It was interesting reading until point 6. Rather sad that you take the time to post on here with such a gloating, arrogant stance. Hope you got a thrill out if it.

 

 

It's not me you should be having a go at - you really need to start questioning your owners, your board and their ambition. Your owners have money (a lot of money) I understand. They really need to start to grow a set.

[Pamplemousse]

I somehow doubt these Everton fans will be back this time next year when we finish above them. Again.