Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 With our infrastructure, EH could be a brilliant appointment - certainly out-thought RK when they thumped us last season. Amazing that some fans want Giggs/Neville when they have even less experience. Methinks a lot of our current players would be mightily underwhelmed with Howe.
shurlock Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Defiantly didn't out think koeman, his team out fought us and wanted it as much as the bmuff fans wanted it I'd rather have FDB or Emery, think the team needs a kudos manager that koeman was At their place he did. Exploited the gaps in our 3-5-2 by doubling up down the flanks, dragging JWP and Romeu all over the place. Koeman's substitution of Yoshida and switch to a back four was a recognition of this. By the time he changed things, though, they were very much in control of the game.
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 (edited) Koeman is leaving because Everton have more ambition end of story... Wanyama, long, mane, van djk, clasie, pelle All gone Relegation fodder now lol As long as you go too, it's worth the sacrifice Edited 5 June, 2016 by ALWAYS_SFC
beatlesaint Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Koeman is leaving because Everton have more ambition end of story... Wanyama, long, mane, van djk, clasie, pelle All gone Relegation fodder now lol Christ you are a cheery little soul, bet Christmas is great at your house ! ;-)
monkadill Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 As you can tell there is alot of anger in the threads. This is because of the frustration of not being able to keep a team together and that Koeman is a good manager. You will do well under Koeman, fact.
Ed Rooney Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Maybe he would only go if his brother agreed Maybe his brother has said he doesn't want to go Wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't go
goneawol Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Koeman is leaving because Everton have more money end of story...... Edit.
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Said this a few days ago, but surely Woy will be the dream ticket once England get knocked out in the group stage?
PapaWaiToGO Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 One good thing about Koeman leaving us is that Victor won't be continuously started no matter how he conducts himself, especially when we have Romeu who, for me, is better in almost everyway (bar strength).
SaintBobby Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 One good thing about Koeman leaving us is that Victor won't be continuously started no matter how he conducts himself, especially when we have Romeu who, for me, is better in almost everyway (bar strength). You'll get your wish, most likely because Wanyama will be leaving too.
PapaWaiToGO Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Koeman is leaving because Everton have more ambition end of story... Wanyama, long, mane, van djk, clasie, pelle All gone Relegation fodder now lol Van Dijk has just signed a 6 year contract, and for me I don't think the others have done enough this season to attract the interest of the clubs that would pay the money we will ask. Long has scored goals, but his composure is still an issue - the only real option for him is Everton, in which case we will get back most of what we paid for him (which was inflated to begin with). Having said that, the sooner we are rid of Victor the better.
PapaWaiToGO Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 The sooner the better. I lost respect for him when he refused to play for us when we needed him in Europa last season.
Saint IQ Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Koeman is leaving because Everton have more ambition end of story... Wanyama, long, mane, van djk, clasie, pelle All gone Relegation fodder now lol Why's that funny? You must be a skate. Fact is Mane and Wanyama were off anyway whatever manager we have as they have astronomical wage demands the likes of City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal and United will only be able to afford if you want to stay inside your wage structure... Long wants to stay down south last I heard so think he'll stay, VVD just signed a 6 year deal, he'll stay. Clasie hasn't been brilliant can't see anyone paying what we'd want for him and Pelle was going anyway..
Big-dunc Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 I would still argue that Koeman is a gentleman but you cannot really turn down that sort of money. Football is a fickle business and he could be out of a job in an instance as he knows from experience. He is a good manager but it will be difficult for him at Everton, there will be higher expectations. Losing a striker who delivers potential 20 plus goals a season will be very hard to replace as will a good young defender. Part of his success with us was centred around the fact that he could cherry pick the Dutch league for the best players because he knew the league. He also found Mane through his Dutch management days. He cannot do that now so effectively and although he will try and poach some of our players historically we are reluctant to sell to former managers. I think a lot of our fans are actually a bit underwhelmed with the appointment, they are just acting up on Twitter and Facebook. Money talks a lot nowadays, and there is very little loyalty in football, so it didn't surprise me that he has decided on Everton. I don't really agree with the amount of money he is being paid, but I do think the manager should be paid more than the players, which has happened for many years at Everton. You can guarentee that if things go the same way as our last manager then Ron will be straight out the door. We are also going through a transition at the minute and appointing a DoF, which is a completely new thing for us. Everton fans would love Van Dijk, but there was very little chance of you selling him before this happened, and zero chance now. He may have higher expectations, but I've seen this said a lot lately abouy Everton fans and I actually think Everton fans and Saints fans want similar things for now....I think most fans just want us to cement ourselves as a top 5, 6 team again, then we can see what else we can achieve, maybe he feels Everton have more potential to break in to the top 4. As you may have noticed, our last manager did not even coach defensive tactics, we have leaked in goals for 2 years, with arguably one of the most promising young defenders in Europe, so I hope Koeman can sort that out first. My first choice would have been Pelligrini for us, I think he would be great for you.
Shroppie Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Said this a few days ago' date=' but surely Woy will be the dream ticket once England get knocked out in the group stage? [/quote'] And the suicidal tendencies generated the first time you said it are no less now. Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk
Shroppie Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Van Dijk has just signed a 6 year contract, and for me I don't think the others have done enough this season to attract the interest of the clubs that would pay the money we will ask. Long has scored goals, but his composure is still an issue - the only real option for him is Everton, in which case we will get back most of what we paid for him (which was inflated to begin with). Having said that, the sooner we are rid of Victor the better. Leicester are rumoured to have an interest in Shane if they lose Vardy Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk
Saints foreva Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Leicester are rumoured to have an interest in Shane if they lose Vardy Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk And Wanyama if they lose Kante.
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Maybe he would only go if his brother agreed Maybe his brother has said he doesn't want to go Wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't go Oh no, don't now start writing posts which give us hope he'll stay!!
kitch Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Hi Everton fan here, sorry to post on your forum. I've seen a lot of gloating and ****e being posted by other Everton fans, so just thought I would say, we're not all like that. Koeman wasn't the majority of the fans first choice for manager, but I do think he will be a good for Everton, albeit he is certainly going to use us as a stepping stone...some Everton fans are saying we are actually using him as a stepping stone, but we'll see how it pans out. Southampton are in a similar position to Everton a few years back, breaking in to the top 5 or 6 (maybe even CL) but then you sell your best players (or in this case manager) and you then hit a ceiling. Unfortunately Everton are now part of the group of clubs that seem to want to throw money at everything, I think this is the major reason behind Koeman coming to Everton. The 'bigger' club shout is a non argument really, I'm not even sure what that means, history means nothing if you're not achieving anything right now...and we haven't won anything in over 21 years. Always enjoy the away days to St Mary's and hopefully Southampton can go on to appoint another great manager and keep rustling the feathers of the top 4 or 5. I would say stay a million miles away from Martinez if I were you.... I personally think Pelligrini or Howe would be great appointments. An Everton fan without a chip on their shoulder! We should have you stuffed and hung in the wall! All fair points you've made there, for my money. Sucks that it's Everton behind it though, it's more a Liverpool or spurs tactic, but hey ho life goes on.
Toomer Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Koeman is leaving because Everton have more ambition end of story... Wanyama, long, mane, van djk, clasie, pelle All gone Relegation fodder now lol I'm glad we all don't think that or else I would be slitting my wrists.
Block34 Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 http://toffeeweb.com/season/15-16/news/32812.html Some back-pedalling going on maybe?
musesaint Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 http://toffeeweb.com/season/15-16/news/32812.html Some back-pedalling going on maybe? Apparently Erwin is the better tactician. Worth keeping?
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Koeman is leaving because he is a money grabbing c**t nothing to do with Saints ambition. Southampton is where my heart is... Merseyside is where my wallet is. He's gone right down in my estimation. He's a bigger **** than Pochettino!!!
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 So he's been offered £100m to spend. Has anyone told him that £70m of that is coming from the sale of Stones & Lukaku? He's a ****ing mug for going there. Had he gone to Arsenal or a big European club I'd be wishing him well. But to go to a club like Everton in that manner that he has absolutely disgusts me.
Sour Mash Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 http://toffeeweb.com/season/15-16/news/32812.html Some back-pedalling going on maybe? Not really, he's definitely going there, they're just working through all the deals and agreements.
Wopper Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 I bet Saints stitch up Everton in some way we seem to be good at that.
Ed Rooney Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Oh no' date=' don't now start writing posts which give us hope he'll stay!![/quote'] you never know eh
LGTL Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 I don't want him here now anyway. This can only end one way, and that's with his departure.
M271 Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 I don't want him here now anyway. This can only end one way, and that's with his departure. What's that based on? Newspaper and agent talk. We don't know the truth of the situation or circumstances. He may have wished to honour his last year of his contract but Saints didn't want that as they may have wanted a longer committment.
Saint Charlie Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 What's that based on? Newspaper and agent talk. We don't know the truth of the situation or circumstances. He may have wished to honour his last year of his contract but Saints didn't want that as they may have wanted a longer committment. Koeman wants to go, and is going, to Everton. Might as well just move on rather than looking for things that probably aren't there. Saints haven't actively sold him to Everton, he has said he wants to go there.
doddisalegend Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 (edited) I don't want him here now anyway. This can only end one way, and that's with his departure. As soon as he was prepared to talk to Everton is the moment you knew his heart wasn't in it here. If he changed his mind or it fell through with Everton he'd still have to leave Southampton anyway. Edited 5 June, 2016 by doddisalegend
IFHP Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 As soon as he was prepared to talk to Everton is the moment you knew his heart wasn't in it here. If changed his mind or it fell through with Everton he'd still have to leave Southampton anyway. Yes, that's my view . We need a manager that's committed to Saints for the two seasons , not one that wants to talk to other clubs to see if anything better is on the table .
Whitey Grandad Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 I don't want him here now anyway. This can only end one way, and that's with his departure. Oh he's gone, there's no coming back from this. I just wonder, if it turned out that he wasn't actually going how would we all feel about him?
DuncanRG Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 (edited) Methinks a lot of our current players would be mightily underwhelmed with Howe. Players' impressions only matter from day one of training. Few if any of our team would have even heard of Pochettino when he arrived (and many were concerned when Adkins was sacked) but he won them over immediately. It's potential players which matter. Koeman's appointment made a difference in 2014 and someone like Emery or de Boer would do the same again this time. Edited 5 June, 2016 by DuncanRG
Badger Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Players' impressions only matter from day one of training. Few if any of our team will have heard of Pochettino were arrived but he won them over immediately. You're assuming they intend turning up for training for the first day under EH/AVB/FDB/AOF* rather than bail out beforehand of course. *any other f^cker.
DuncanRG Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 You're assuming they intend turning up for training for the first day under EH/AVB/FDB/AOF* rather than bail out beforehand of course. *any other f^cker. I'm not sure any of our players are as wedded to Koeman as some were to Pochettino.
manji Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 What's that based on? Newspaper and agent talk. We don't know the truth of the situation or circumstances. He may have wished to honour his last year of his contract but Saints didn't want that as they may have wanted a longer committment. I have quoted this a couple of times. The story I heard a couple of months ago was we were going to hold talks with RK about his contract. If he wasnt prepared to extend it we were going to give him the heave ho. Firstly it shows lack of commitment and would not fit in with our long term plans. The package we were going to offer would have included a considerable pay rise and a reduction of our sell big, buy cheap policy. Dont forget we have already given players really good new contracts. I have also heard Pelle doesnt want leave, Mane and Wanyama are open to good deals to stay. I never claim to be ITK but this is a very good source.
Badger Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 I'm not sure any of our players are as wedded to Koeman as some were to Pochettino. Classie & Pelle aside you may be right, although I'd be a bit concerned if VVD (6yr contract or not) sees workinhgunder a Dutch legend as beneficial to his development. FF - might depend if Dave WAtson also goes to Everton. Of the others, they may be more inclined to rejoin RK once they know the ££ on offfer from their mega budget.
Saint Fan CaM Posted 5 June, 2016 Author Posted 5 June, 2016 #itshappeningbutnotasweexpectit Dare I say it, once again this might appear to ring true! LOL
kermitsaint Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Interesting how so many now claim that Korman is average and will fail at Everton even with better financial backing . I got shouted down for not rating him during his time with us ... His perceived lack of loyalty ( its just a job ) has certainly enabled many posters to try and rewrite history . So which is it ? Is he now an average manager or is he amazing ? Personally I'm quite intrigued who we may end up with even though I have little faith in the board . Am interested what this new direction is though as I think we have gone as far as our funding can allow . Never a dull moment with Saints Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk
Saint Fan CaM Posted 5 June, 2016 Author Posted 5 June, 2016 Just a gentle poke at DoomMongerCaM Oh dear Pancake - seems your poking was a bit premature eh? For what it's worth, my little bit of hashtag fun was not doom mongering - let's face it, we've changed managers and players, seen meltdown's galore and guess what...we always come up smelling of roses. Wonder why that is? A last thought - I really wanted to see Koeman stay, but it seems one of the strategy elements of the club is not to allow complacency...not allow any one person coerce the project away from the project plan. With this in mind, the story from some on here that the Board wanted Koeman out seem pretty close to the truth.
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Interesting how so many now claim that Korman is average and will fail at Everton even with better financial backing . I got shouted down for not rating him during his time with us ... His perceived lack of loyalty ( its just a job ) has certainly enabled many posters to try and rewrite history . So which is it ? Is he now an average manager or is he amazing ? Personally I'm quite intrigued who we may end up with even though I have little faith in the board . Am interested what this new direction is though as I think we have gone as far as our funding can allow . Never a dull moment with Saints Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk Its just you that`s dull, still you will be out of posts for the day soon ....
Dalek2003 Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Interesting how so many now claim that Korman is average and will fail at Everton even with better financial backing . I got shouted down for not rating him during his time with us ... His perceived lack of loyalty ( its just a job ) has certainly enabled many posters to try and rewrite history . So which is it ? Is he now an average manager or is he amazing ? Personally I'm quite intrigued who we may end up with even though I have little faith in the board . Am interested what this new direction is though as I think we have gone as far as our funding can allow . Never a dull moment with Saints Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk 'Re-writing history ?' Never !
MongoNeil Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 I've obviously missed something as I have a life outside of this forum/football but I can't find anything to say that Koeman is going anywhere. Has he actually stated somewhere that he wants to leave?
thefuriousb Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Apparently Erwin is the better tactician. Worth keeping? I thought this much of last season. I seem to recall a video on YouTube which practically stated/admitted this to be the case. I hope Erwin decides not to follow
Ohio Saint Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 I thought this much of last season. I seem to recall a video on YouTube which practically stated/admitted this to be the case. I hope Erwin decides not to follow i did actually have a brief fantasy wher we appointed Erwin as our next manager, and it turned out that he was actually the true mastermind all along. I love to dream
buctootim Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 I thought this much of last season. I seem to recall a video on YouTube which practically stated/admitted this to be the case. I hope Erwin decides not to follow Also RK said he liked to be in the background whereas he (RK) had a much bigger ego and was more ambitious. Id be happy if he stayed.
Nolan Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 i did actually have a brief fantasy wher we appointed Erwin as our next manager, and it turned out that he was actually the true mastermind all along. I love to dream Wasnt there an article in which Ronald Said that he would only work with his brother in future. That if you took him, you took them both? Would Everton be willing to pay compensation for both. (or all 3 if Jan in involved as well) Not to mention if they are to pay RK the reported amount, how much does it stretch things when your brothers wage potentially may not significantly change?
Plonko Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 As disappointed as I am, I think I'd be tempted away from my current job for a 3.5 million pound pay rise.
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