Batman Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 How do you envisage that they're going to deal with FFP? Their revenue is similar to ours :S im sure there are plenty of ways around it. nothing really happens to sides who break it in the premier league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 not like the city of liverpool. its all you hear...mainly from Liverpool FC, granted top 6 is the absolute bare minimum then. fair play Because most of them on Merseyside are exactly that, a bit special Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Benali Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Be interesting to see if the club enforce a non disclosure agreement. If that happens ala Mopo we will never know. Hope he is free to tell us why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran1uk Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 https://twitter.com/lestereverton80/status/739123097140404224 Wow What a mug!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 In the subject of chants.... Who's Virgil belong to now?? My suggestion would be 'Southampton' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Be interesting to see if the club enforce a non disclosure agreement. If that happens ala Mopo we will never know. Hope he is free to tell us why. Even if he is allowed he's hardly going to say "I've left for the money I'm rich I'm rich I'm rich". In his Everton press conference he'll make one reference to "they matched my ambition" and the cretins on here will go into absolute meltdown and will be quoting that phrase day in, day out until Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 On one hand, an extra few million is the difference of a couple of league places, so why not push the boat out and get him to stay? On the other hand, perhaps an example of the "winner's curse" unfolding. Koeman is a good manager, but for the amount Everton are paying him, there are better managers available. We are a more attractive proposition now than when Koeman joined, so who's to say we can't upgrade? Everton and City are very similar, both thrive on living in the shadows of other clubs but are quick to shed their grassroots image as soon as they have chance to operate in "cheat mode". Only difference is that Mancs don't all have massive chips on their shoulders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 im sure there are plenty of ways around it. nothing really happens to sides who break it in the premier league City were fined £50m (or something like that), and I'm almost certain they had restrictions on their European playing squad. But yes, there are ways around it, however, that'll depend on inflated sponsorship deals and so on (I haven't the foggiest when their current deals expire, but I can't imagine that they all do so this year). Where's Redslo when you need him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 City were fined £50m (or something like that), and I'm almost certain they had restrictions on their European playing squad. But yes, there are ways around it, however, that'll depend on inflated sponsorship deals and so on (I haven't the foggiest when their current deals expire, but I can't imagine that they all do so this year). Where's Redslo when you need him? that was a UEFA thing. not a premier league sanction.....i think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Looking forward to a new manager. Why do we have so many bitters signing up to gloat? Didn't happen with Liverpool or Spurs. Seems small-time if you ask me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBenali Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 We'll move on. I agree that there's no way we should have attempted to match the Everton wages. Say we offered him 4 years at £6mill per season, and we go on another 1 win in 10 run before Christmas - could we afford to sack him with 3 1/2 years left?? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Even if he is allowed he's hardly going to say "I've left for the money I'm rich I'm rich I'm rich". In his Everton press conference he'll make one reference to "they matched my ambition" and the cretins on here will go into absolute meltdown and will be quoting that phrase day in, day out until Christmas. #datruth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToffeeInPeace Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Looking forward to a new manager. Why do we have so many bitters signing up to gloat? Didn't happen with Liverpool or Spurs. Seems small-time if you ask me... Hazarding a guess, but I'd go out on a limb and say some of us actually want to have a reasonable discussion outside of the echo chamber that any one club's forums can become? Plenty of Saints fans signing up on our big forum too. Had plenty of Utd fans too when Moyes went there. Of course if you automatically assume the only reason someone would sign up is for the purpose of gloating, then it becomes a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 What a to$$ pot. Clueless scousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett24 Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 An update from Guan soon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Hazarding a guess, but I'd go out on a limb and say some of us actually want to have a reasonable discussion outside of the echo chamber that any one club's forums can become? Plenty of Saints fans signing up on our big forum too. Had plenty of Utd fans too when Moyes went there. Of course if you automatically assume the only reason someone would sign up is for the purpose of gloating, then it becomes a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy. I have no interest in receiving a pat on the head from smug everton fans basking in the glory of their new sugar daddy thanks. As I say, looking forward to a new manager. Don't bother investing in your academy cause Ron won't play any of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 An update from Guan soon? Not sure one is needed at this stage. Koeman to Everton will be announced soon and then we see what happens next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 An update from Guan soon? What is there to update? Ron has his head turned and will sign soon, Les and Co will be busy lining up his replacement and the media will be in full on Southampton Meltdown MKIII mode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Because most of them on Merseyside are exactly that, a bit special Certainly 'special needs' Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Sad to see him go.......... He has given away his integrity........ If he is going to be the 6th best paid manager in world football then he should be the 6th best...........................he isn't......................... As my 9 year old just said "whats the point of football dad??" "he said the other week he was going to stay another year" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 RK is a good manager and he'll improve Everton, but he has yet to prove he's an elite level manager and the wages they're paying him are insane. But they're loaded now so fair enough. Pretty disappointed in the behaviour of RK. To consistently say one thing and then do a U turn for more money is pretty poor to say the least. Looking forward to see who we are able to attract, as on paper it's a good job for someone to take. I just hope whoever takes it signs up to the way we do things from day 1. RK clearly wasn't totally happy with our transfer policy and the next manager needs to be. Players entering the last year of their contract will be sold, and every other player has a high valuation on their head and will be sold if that valuation is met. If you don't like it then don't agree to be our manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/southampton/11562469/Ronald-Koeman-insists-even-Barcelona-could-not-lure-him-from-Southampton.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 "“I am still young for the manager role. It is good to stay and be manager of Southampton. It is the best competition in the world. The longest period of my time as a player was at Barcelona and it’s normal that I have that feeling with them and they have that feeling with me, but there is no reason to be afraid about that.”So supporters have nothing to fear this summer? “No, because I am the manager of Southampton, and I have the contract for two years more. I have to respect my contract, I like to respect my contract and I am very happy.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EfcBlue Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 I have no interest in receiving a pat on the head from smug everton fans basking in the glory of their new sugar daddy thanks. As I say, looking forward to a new manager. Don't bother investing in your academy cause Ron won't play any of them. If you knew anything about Everton fans you'd soon realize that is not what we are about. We don't do gloating when we've taken advantage only when we'v been taken advantage of and come out on top! It's hardly like we've stolen Pep or Jose off you. Just pray to god your board are not foolish enough to appoint Martinez!! After 10+Consistent years of hitting the same glass ceiling you find yourselves at after your good last couple of years. That moron managed to turn us into Wigan in 12 months!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Everton at home first game next season anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 who will we want to win when Everton play Liverpool and Spurs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 According to Transfermarkt.co the total value of transfer arrivals at Southampton last season was £51.94m with an average age of 23. If Everton trash their current squad by spending £20m - £30m more than that, there will inevitably be duds in the box. Team spirit counts for so much - how much did Chelsea's squad cost and look where they ended up. All through the Prem League there will be clubs spending the huge new income from the TV deal. For the team in 11th place to try to build a new team in that climate will be very difficult especially because all the teams above them will also be looking to improve. Koeman must know this, which convinces me it's not ambition but just a fatter pay cheque that he's after. He is very ill-advised if he takes this risk, but his adviser stands to make money out of so no surprise there. This could put the skids under any chance Koeman has of managing a genuinely big club because a failure at a different club will destroy his reputation - see David Moyes, Louis Van Gaal, etc. But it looks too late for him now. Boats are burned and Saints should regard themselves now as well shot of him. There are plenty of experienced top level managers as good or better than Koeman. Hopefully, the short list is already on Les Reed's desktop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Hazarding a guess, but I'd go out on a limb and say some of us actually want to have a reasonable discussion outside of the echo chamber that any one club's forums can become? Plenty of Saints fans signing up on our big forum too. Had plenty of Utd fans too when Moyes went there. Of course if you automatically assume the only reason someone would sign up is for the purpose of gloating, then it becomes a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy. As for Koeman - I see him as a continental Moyes. There's a bit more pace to his teams but philosophically he's closer to Moyes than you scousers think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 who will we want to win when Everton play Liverpool and Spurs? Who gives toss except you who will want Everton no doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highfield Saint Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 If you knew anything about Everton fans you'd soon realize that is not what we are about. We don't do gloating when we've taken advantage only when we'v been taken advantage of and come out on top! Yeah - I see what you mean - https://twitter.com/lestereverton80/...23097140404224 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 who will we want to win when Everton play Liverpool and Spurs? Mark Clattenburg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 As for Koeman - I see him as a continental Moyes. There's a bit more pace to his teams but philosophically he's closer to Moyes than you scousers think. there was a time last season where we were horrid and all over the place defensively. 1 win in 10. he did well to sort it out mind, 3 at the back and forster coming back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooh it's a corner Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 there was a time last season where we were horrid and all over the place defensively. 1 win in 10. he did well to sort it out mind, 3 at the back and forster coming back Forster coming back predominantly..... Who has he got in goal up there? A shocking second string to the departed Howard....... Forster will be his first effort to raid us, hopefully we'll tell him to jog on.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Everton at home first game next season anyone? You can guarantee that Sky will arrange for that to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highfield Saint Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 The thing is that Merseyside is yesterdays place. Regardless of the political attempts to stop it there is and has been a demographic shift from North to South and this is continuing. You only have to look at property prices to see where people want to live. South Hampshire general population now is roughly the same (or maybe even larger) as Merseyside in a slightly smaller area. Granted the area has to grow into its status in terms of facilities and self belief but it will happen. Given ten years the difference will be marked an in favour of South Hampshire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 According to Transfermarkt.co the total value of transfer arrivals at Southampton last season was £51.94m with an average age of 23. If Everton trash their current squad by spending £20m - £30m more than that, there will inevitably be duds in the box. Team spirit counts for so much - how much did Chelsea's squad cost and look where they ended up. All through the Prem League there will be clubs spending the huge new income from the TV deal. For the team in 11th place to try to build a new team in that climate will be very difficult especially because all the teams above them will also be looking to improve. Koeman must know this, which convinces me it's not ambition but just a fatter pay cheque that he's after. He is very ill-advised if he takes this risk, but his adviser stands to make money out of so no surprise there. This could put the skids under any chance Koeman has of managing a genuinely big club because a failure at a different club will destroy his reputation - see David Moyes, Louis Van Gaal, etc. But it looks too late for him now. Boats are burned and Saints should regard themselves now as well shot of him. There are plenty of experienced top level managers as good or better than Koeman. Hopefully, the short list is already on Les Reed's desktop. True dat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 The thing is that Merseyside is yesterdays place. Regardless of the political attempts to stop it there is and has been a demographic shift from North to South and this is continuing. You only have to look at property prices to see where people want to live. South Hampshire general population now is roughly the same (or maybe even larger) as Merseyside in a slightly smaller area. Granted the area has to grow into its status in terms of facilities and self belief but it will happen. Given ten years the difference will be marked an in favour of South Hampshire. Thats why the UK Government and EU are allowing them taxpayers money to try to mug the cruise business off us, right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 According to Transfermarkt.co the total value of transfer arrivals at Southampton last season was £51.94m with an average age of 23. If Everton trash their current squad by spending £20m - £30m more than that, there will inevitably be duds in the box. Team spirit counts for so much - how much did Chelsea's squad cost and look where they ended up. All through the Prem League there will be clubs spending the huge new income from the TV deal. For the team in 11th place to try to build a new team in that climate will be very difficult especially because all the teams above them will also be looking to improve. Koeman must know this, which convinces me it's not ambition but just a fatter pay cheque that he's after. He is very ill-advised if he takes this risk, but his adviser stands to make money out of so no surprise there. This could put the skids under any chance Koeman has of managing a genuinely big club because a failure at a different club will destroy his reputation - see David Moyes, Louis Van Gaal, etc. But it looks too late for him now. Boats are burned and Saints should regard themselves now as well shot of him. There are plenty of experienced top level managers as good or better than Koeman. Hopefully, the short list is already on Les Reed's desktop. Good post, Prof - cheered me up a bit. Suppose we should be grateful for Euro 2016; that will slow down agents getting their hands on most of our better players. Gives the board time to appoint a new manager and maybe make the players pause for thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 there was a time last season where we were horrid and all over the place defensively. 1 win in 10. he did well to sort it out mind, 3 at the back and forster coming back True, though during that spell we were never out of games and were always capable of pinching a point - Forster and the back 3 helped (just as the lattter id in his first season when we went through a similar ticky patch) That said, the run of 1 win in 10 poor could equally be seen as the chickens coming home to roost after a period of wins during which we were hardly convincing (Bournemouth .(h) etc). Long's emergence made all the difference in the second half of the season, though ultimately he likes big lumps like Pelle, targetmen which should be familiar to the scousers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diabolus Ex Machina Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 So from what I can tell 'Ambition' solely comes down to having more money to spend on players? You'd think years of continuous improvement, a top 6 finish and Europa League next season would show some sort of 'Ambition'? If he really thinks going to Everton will give him a chance to improve on where we currently are then so be it, but on the assumption that that must mean Champions League then good luck coming above at least 3 of Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal, Spurs & Liverpool. Add in the reigning champs Leicester, the apparently spend happy West Ham and ourselves and i'll think he'll struggle massively no matter how much money they throw at it. They're already be playing catch up to the top teams and they'll still have less spending power than the likes of Utd, City and Chelsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Hi Davey. Honestly not coming here for a fight, but had to just clear something up on this topic. What I do struggle to understand is how it's being seen as a step down for Koeman. CLEARLY he (like Pochettino before him) is of the opinion that he has a better chance of moving onto the next level in terms of success with the financial backing he'll receive at Everton - something the Saints board don't have a recent history of providing. (Quote) It's a step down because we are improving our league position year on year, whereas Everton are slipping down. And we are improving through careful financial management, not reckless spending. His worth to football management was increasing, and we fully expected him to move on from us in a year or two to manage probably Arsenal or Barcelona. Two clubs of greater esteem than Everton. The similarities noted by others with Pompey are fair comment. Evolution is better than revolution. It saddens us that he would leave us ....for Everton, for heavens sake, a club lower than us in the food chain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 You can guarantee that Sky will arrange for that to happen. Sky don't care about Everton, so I doubt it. The only reason we had Liverpool first game after the previous 'meltdown' was purely because it was Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 who will we want to win when Everton play Liverpool and Spurs? You'd think one day fans might let go of these sorts of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 I remember many on here last season getting a bit resentful regarding Koeman. Tinkerman was one of the phrases I remember, playing some out of position and making odd substitutions. Yes in the end getting 6th spot was more than welcome but in fairness it was a very strange season where upon most of the big clubs misfired which I think contributed to Leicester winning the prem by some margin. I'm not upset at Koeman going, I liked him but was not his biggest fan and I think he will take a huge gamble being the savior of Everton, this will either make him or break him as a manager with the huge expectations on his shoulders. I for one am excited about getting a new manager and the changes it will bring and am happy to witness some of the big guns splashing out the big money and failing miserably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooh it's a corner Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 You'd think one day fans might let go of these sorts of things. Don't be daft. This hurts a lot because we still haven't forgiven Everton for Adrian Heath, or John Bailey before him.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 You'd think one day fans might let go of these sorts of things. Personally, I thank the managers for their work here but do not wish them any success in the future. Firstly they are our competitors and secondly I am not really too bothered how any team apart from Saints do. There is one exception though - Nigel Adkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EfcBlue Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 So from what I can tell 'Ambition' solely comes down to having more money to spend on players? You'd think years of continuous improvement, a top 6 finish and Europa League next season would show some sort of 'Ambition'? If he really thinks going to Everton will give him a chance to improve on where we currently are then so be it, but on the assumption that that must mean Champions League then good luck coming above at least 3 of Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal, Spurs & Liverpool. Add in the reigning champs Leicester, the apparently spend happy West Ham and ourselves and i'll think he'll struggle massively no matter how much money they throw at it. They're already be playing catch up to the top teams and they'll still have less spending power than the likes of Utd, City and Chelsea. You do realize that we (efc) have been top 6 the best part of the last decade. And that has been with NO money! These last 2 years have been MAJOR under achievement due to having a man in charge who really didnt know what he's doing. I think you need to look a bit further than the last 2 yrs when judging us/our club/our ambition etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 You do realize that we (efc) have been top 6 the best part of the last decade. And that has been with NO money! These last 2 years have been MAJOR under achievement due to having a man in charge who really didnt know what he's doing. I think you need to look a bit further than the last 2 yrs when judging us/our club/our ambition etc... as said to another Everton fan here. Top 6 has to be the absolute minimum next season for you. bearing in mind, he is leaving a far 'smaller' and 'less ambitious' side than you that finished 3 points from champions league places that has to be the bare minimum given how much bigger, better and 'special' you lot now are Good luck. going to be an interesting season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 I remember many on here last season getting a bit resentful regarding Koeman. Tinkerman was one of the phrases I remember, playing some out of position and making odd substitutions. Yes in the end getting 6th spot was more than welcome but in fairness it was a very strange season where upon most of the big clubs misfired which I think contributed to Leicester winning the prem by some margin. I'm not upset at Koeman going, I liked him but was not his biggest fan and I think he will take a huge gamble being the savior of Everton, this will either make him or break him as a manager with the huge expectations on his shoulders. I for one am excited about getting a new manager and the changes it will bring and am happy to witness some of the big guns splashing out the big money and failing miserably. Mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 He's moving on for bigger and better prospects....Everton have offered him the opportunity to really do something special....something Southampton could never realistically do.... ...what you mean the opportunity to Fleece a midtable club for 6M of their money a year? Haha muppets even more stupid than Liverpool buying our average players Allowing us to move on up. I'm keeping this quote in my back pocket ready to be rammed down your throat every opportunity I can next season just like we've done with every other club that's thought they've done a number on us in last five years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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