Ron Koeman

[DJ_TOAST]

Really poor behaviour Koeman.....

I hope it goes badly wrong for you there and it could!

You will be cash rich but spiritually poor.... Just shows money cannot buy you happiness. Your disloyalty and disnonesty will wake you at night and haught you.

Football is somehow so uncivilised now with such monumental greed and lack of generosity of spirit and loyalty that it is becoming quite unattractive ...

 

Well said.

Makes me feel quite sick really, someone who can appear so honest and upstanding be a money grabbing two faced rat like the rest of em.

 

Adkins was a refreshing change.

[eelpie]

I think most of us believed he'd honour his word - i.e. see out his contract and then leave next summer, not jump ship at the first chance of big money. It's disappointing but we have to look forward now, would de Boer be a good fit in your opinion? How does he compare to Koeman?

 

That you believe most of us believed that is presumptuous.

[eelpie]

I think the reaction of many on here condemning Koeman in such vehement terms has probably made it impossible for him to remain here even if he wanted to, if contract talks with Everton din't go the way he (and his agent) wanted.

[Roger]

Our board have had 4 good appointments, guess they know what they're doing then.

 

Cortese made other 3.

[S-Clarke]

Cortese made other 3.

 

If you don't believe Les Reed was involved in any after Pardew, then you are a bit naive.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

I think the reaction of many on here condemning Koeman in such vehement terms has probably made it impossible for him to remain here even if he wanted to, if contract talks with Everton din't go the way he (and his agent) wanted.

 

It's the way on here, slag and insult people before anything has actually been confirmed, it's the same when the team is announced, the player is

sh ite before he gets on the pitch......

[the colonel]

Originally Posted by TheCholulaKid View Post

If another employer came to anyone on this forum and offered the same role, double the money and a massively increased budget to potentially turn their workplace into a market force then they'd leave too. I know I would - you'd have to be more or less mental not to.

 

Koeman's not a Saints fan - he's a professional football manager. Why should he stay? He's given us our best ever Premier League finish and guaranteed 6 games of European football. It's disappointing for us but that's the way football works. Always has been. People need to stop being fannies about this.

 

This.

 

in that case he shouldn't pretend he is a honourably man and spout on about seeing through his contract blar blar blar....

[Roger]

If you don't believe Les Reed was involved in any after Pardew, then you are a bit naive.

 

Okay well I get you don't agree with me on anything so if you say so fine. I think Cortese was pretty much the main man in these. I think you're very naive in your views tbh. I think this is a disaster in football terms for us.

[Saint Billy]

It's the way on here, slag and insult people before anything has actually been confirmed, it's the same when the team is announced, the player is

sh ite before he gets on the pitch......

 

Do you think saints fans are any different than any other clubs fans?.

[Give it to Ron]

Cortese made other 3.

 

Do you think Cortese would have kept Koeman on with 1 win in 10?

 

 

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[Batman]

even blackmore is tweeting that we need to find a new manager sharpish

 

koeman the ****, has all but gone

[Saint_Ash]

Yeah because he would worry what some people on a forum say. We'll move on, we're a decent club with an excellent set up and we'll attract a decent manager

[Roger]

Do you think Cortese would have kept Koeman on with 1 win in 10?

 

 

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Not sure maybe, maybe not. Adkins was kept on during his initial bad run in the prem.

[tttdcs]

I would be sad if Koeman left, but mainly for the reason that he seemed to be a man of his word, a person of integrity. If he did leave for a club like Everton who are below us, then it could only be that he has ditched any principles he seemed to have had for naked personal greed. I would have thought that his personal ambitions would have been served better with us in Europe, after which he could go to one of the top European clubs. If he is using the Everton job as leverage to get a higher wages deal with us, then fair enough, up to a point.

 

I'm not that concerned about us being unable to find a replacement who is as good or better than Koeman. I have the utmost confidence in Reed and the board and their ability to choose the right candidate. I am grateful that Koeman has brought us success these past two seasons and I think that he could raise us still higher next season, but equally the calibre of manager we could now attract should be capable of that too. We are a very good proposition for an incoming ambitious manager and have furthered the careers of Koeman's predecessors. If his successor wishes to use us as a stepping stone to greater things, that can only happen if they raise the bar above what he achieved.

 

As above +1

[van Hanegem]

What do you make of de Boer? Rate him? Seems to have struggled a bit in the European competitions.

 

Frank de Boer proved himself with Ajax in the Eredivisie and in Europe. The last two years were not that great but keep in mind that Ajax lost their best players for years in a row and they don't like to spend their cash the way English clubs do. So it is pretty amazing that Ajax won the title four years in a row and got results in Europe against ManU, Barcelona etc. though they didn't make it to the second round of the CL.

 

Frank de Boer is a very committed person who demands all from his players. Though the game of Ajax became more boring to watch each year because they lost their best players causing de Boer playing more defensively (the game of Ajax is usually all about ball possession and being dominant all over the pitch), I believe Frank de Boer will bring more fun to Southampton than Koeman did. Koeman is all about "organisation" on the pitch and tends to find it more important to prevent a goal before you think about attacking. Like Koeman de Boer was a world class defender back in his days but to me it seems he has listened to Cruyff better than Koeman did...

 

The one thing de Boer lacks is a lucky hand with new signings so it would be better for the Saints to appoint someone else for this job. It's Les Reed right?

[Window Cleaner]

I think the reaction of many on here condemning Koeman in such vehement terms has probably made it impossible for him to remain here even if he wanted to, if contract talks with Everton din't go the way he (and his agent) wanted.

 

I'd doubt that actually, Koeman has done nothing reproachable up to this point as far as I can see. A few internet fans having worked themselves into a frenzy over speculation and rumour is all that it's about at present.

[Saint_Tony]

Looks like a done deal. Just hope we tie up a deal for a new manager sharpish, and any others who don't want to be here **** off.

 

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[SuperSAINT]

Listening to radio solent - They played a clip from Five live last night with Lewis Coombes who stated that Koeman's old agent favoured him staying at Saints.

[van Hanegem]

I think most of us believed he'd honour his word - i.e. see out his contract and then leave next summer, not jump ship at the first chance of big money. It's disappointing but we have to look forward now, would de Boer be a good fit in your opinion? How does he compare to Koeman?

 

Staying on for one more year when everyone knows he will leave at the end wouldn't do any good for the Saints. Players usually tend to get more relaxed about things when they know their manager leaves. Fans start screaming when results are poor for a couple of weeks and sponsors start to ask questions to the board who then are under pressure to get a new coach in before the end of the season. I've seen this too many times and so has Koeman. Better to leave when things are great than with his tail between his legs. Off course there had to be an alternative otherwise he would have stayed on but surely there had to be some clubs who were interested in him so it was a question of time.

 

Be happy with the good time you had with Koeman, he's just a passer-by and the Saints march on.

[shurlock]

Listening to radio solent - They played a clip from Five live last night with Lewis Coombes who stated that Koeman's old agent favoured him staying at Saints.

 

Coombes has looked like a fool throughout this, always one step behind, been completely played by Koeman's representatives.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Do you think saints fans are any different than any other clubs fans?.

 

nope

[del boy]

but not as we expected it...

"Southampton have refused Ronald Koeman permission to speak to Everton about taking over as their manager, according to reports"

 

Read more at: https://www.clubcall.com/everton/everton-face-knock-back-in-manager-chase-1812105.html?

 

Not sure who this "reports" guy is but they seem to get all the inside goss

 

 

...clutching at straws maybe

 

[Batman]

Listening to radio solent - They played a clip from Five live last night with Lewis Coombes who stated that Koeman's old agent favoured him staying at Saints.

 

seems Koeman was intent on going to everton all along

Just stringing us along the whole time

 

what a VVanker

[shurlock]

Frank de Boer proved himself with Ajax in the Eredivisie and in Europe. The last two years were not that great but keep in mind that Ajax lost their best players for years in a row and they don't like to spend their cash the way English clubs do. So it is pretty amazing that Ajax won the title four years in a row and got results in Europe against ManU, Barcelona etc. though they didn't make it to the second round of the CL.

 

Frank de Boer is a very committed person who demands all from his players. Though the game of Ajax became more boring to watch each year because they lost their best players causing de Boer playing more defensively (the game of Ajax is usually all about ball possession and being dominant all over the pitch), I believe Frank de Boer will bring more fun to Southampton than Koeman did. Koeman is all about "organisation" on the pitch and tends to find it more important to prevent a goal before you think about attacking. Like Koeman de Boer was a world class defender back in his days but to me it seems he has listened to Cruyff better than Koeman did...

 

The one thing de Boer lacks is a lucky hand with new signings so it would be better for the Saints to appoint someone else for this job. It's Les Reed right?

 

Thanks for this - was a bit ambivalent about Koeman's rigidity at times, though the emergence of Long gave us a different dimension. Fwiw I prefer De Boer to AVB. But we'll see.

[SuperSAINT]

Coombes has looked like a fool throughout this, always one step behind, been completely played by Koeman's representatives.

 

In fairness, he's the one who got the quote from Koeman's agent.

[shurlock]

In fairness, he's the one who got the quote from Koeman's agent.

 

You mean fed s**t. The Dutch press, including the more respectable outlets, have largely been on the ball.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

seems Koeman was intent on going to everton all along

Just stringing us along the whole time

 

what a VVanker

 

Does this mean you don`t like Everton anymore

[Fan The Flames]

I get that you're not very bright so I will keep the words as short as possible .

 

I said I don't believe Les Reed when he talks about ambition . I think the board have no interest in it at all .

At no stage did I say they should spend up big to chase the big boys . Just wish they would stop harping on about it .

 

We won't match Koemans ambition .

 

May be idiots like you should read posts more carefully

 

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At no stage did I say they should spend up big to chase the big boys so what about the bit where you said 'whats the point of owning an EPL team if all you are going to do is avoid debt'.

 

You are an idiot because you believe that only a club that spends loads are showing ambition. Yet you choose to ignore all the other aspects that Southampton have been doing to try and underpin their chances of success; like the academy facilities, recruitment process, well defined strategy for progress, great manager recruitment, wage level commensurate with our income and size. We are in the best position we have been for years, we have top players in every position and have had the best two finishes since the 80's, we are in the group stages of Europe for the first time ever and all this with hardly any debt so the club remains in a strong position to keep pushing on.

 

We have ambitions to do the best we can and we have clearly demonstrated this by the countless incremental improvements all over the club, the club has ambition and you can't deny that. But ambition to you guys is just a euphemism for spending big so what you are really arguing with is the method that the club are employing to get there, ours is a steady sustainable progress where as what you want is the big bang and it appears you are going to ***** and moan about it because they are not doing what you want, whaaa whaaa whaaa.

 

It seems that Koeman wants the big bang as well, but he doesn't want it for the good of the club he wants it to enhance his reputation for a bigger and better job. He can **** off and do that at Everton.

 

and eelpie if you think Koeman is not going to stay now because someone has been nasty to him on the internet, then grow up.

[Viking Warrior]

Listening to radio solent - They played a clip from Five live last night with Lewis Coombes who stated that Koeman's old agent favoured him staying at Saints.

 

Just a thought , was RK approached by Everton before our last game of the season by any chance ,

Just that it's an odd thing to suddenly change your long trusted agent ?

[cambsaint]

I cannot understand the emotions of most posters.

As they say re property there are three factors to take into account when considering future employment offers:

What is best for you and your family. What is best for you and your family. What is best for you and your family.

As for employer/employee loyalty I found out the hard way that there is no such thing.

I'm certain that RK like any sensible mature man will make his decision according to the above criteria.

As far as I'm concerned the main reason for not going to Everton would be the nightmarish prospect of having to live in the area. However at £6mill a year he can afford a chauffeur to drive him in from somewhere reasonably civilised in Cheshire or North Wales. It still wouldn't hold a candle to South Hampshire though.

Hysterical and bitter comments are pretty pointless, as the only thing that breeds respect in football is success.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Has he definitely left yet ?

 

No...oh......

[Professor]

seems Koeman was intent on going to everton all along

Just stringing us along the whole time

what a VVanker

Can't really see the evidence for this and his move may still not happen. But many fans liked Koeman for his frank and honest approach and his statement that he would remain to end of his contract was quite clear without being a commitment to go on beyond that. For the club to have a year to replace him would obviously be more acceptable than breaking the contract only 2/3rds in.

If he stays now, because it's his choice he could still keep the respect of the fans although whether the club would want him for an unenthusiastic last year is questionable. It would depend on what he had to say. If he does go, then Batman's comment would be in line with many fans who would be pleased to see the back of him because it would imply that he wasn't what we thought he was. But at the moment, isn't the ball still in Koeman's court until he speaks?

[WokingSaint]

Quite honestly, I am sick of the whole thing. We had a good Manager who was sacked without explanation. We then had an excellent Manager who again was sacked without real explanation. Then came an unknown who jumped ship as soon as he thought he was a superstar. Now we have a very good Manager who intimated he was staying but is going for the mega money! Bring back Nigel I say, at least he genuinely loved the Club. Who knows what he could do with the sort of money now available?

[daveygwyatt]

One thing doesn't seem to have clicked with the Everton fans who are too busy congratulating each other on what a big club they are is this. Their new Part owner is worth a reported 1.7 billion and has promised 100 mil to spend plus fund a new stadium. New stadium surely going to be around 150 mil at least. 100 million won't compete with Chelsea city or even united and Arsenal. So he is going to need to chuck 100 million a year for 4 or 5 years to have even a chance of regular champions league football. Surely they are not stupid enough to expect the owner to pump half of his wealth into the club.. every chance this goes badly wrong for them!

[MOSaint]

Oh well, **** that middle aged Elroy Jetson looking mercenary bastard. Let's move on and get someone else in!

[Window Cleaner]

One thing doesn't seem to have clicked with the Everton fans who are too busy congratulating each other on what a big club they are is this. Their new Part owner is worth a reported 1.7 billion and has promised 100 mil to spend plus fund a new stadium. New stadium surely going to be around 150 mil at least. 100 million won't compete with Chelsea city or even united and Arsenal. So he is going to need to chuck 100 million a year for 4 or 5 years to have even a chance of regular champions league football. Surely they are not stupid enough to expect the owner to pump half of his wealth into the club.. every chance this goes badly wrong for them!

 

Well he's obviously not going to just take the money for a new stadium out of his piggy bank now is he.

[broken spoke]

Just a thought , was RK approached by Everton before our last game of the season by any chance ,

Just that it's an odd thing to suddenly change your long trusted agent ?

 

I did notice he was wearing a blue tie at the last game of the season which was odd, as he normally wears a saints tie.. was it a secret message?

[daveygwyatt]

On probably not window cleaner, but the point still stands with the player investment if they want to be a top 4 club.

[adrian lord]

One thing doesn't seem to have clicked with the Everton fans who are too busy congratulating each other on what a big club they are is this. Their new Part owner is worth a reported 1.7 billion and has promised 100 mil to spend plus fund a new stadium. New stadium surely going to be around 150 mil at least. 100 million won't compete with Chelsea city or even united and Arsenal. So he is going to need to chuck 100 million a year for 4 or 5 years to have even a chance of regular champions league football. Surely they are not stupid enough to expect the owner to pump half of his wealth into the club.. every chance this goes badly wrong for them!

 

 

And that 1.7 billion won't be cash - most will be tied up in assets and holdings

[Sheaf Saint]

seems Koeman was intent on going to everton all along

Just stringing us along the whole time

 

what a VVanker

 

You simply don't know that. None of us do.

 

It could be the other way round for all we know. He might have preferred to stay all along and just used the Everton interest as leverage to get a better deal on his contract extension, but overplayed his hand and the club called his bluff.

 

You should make sure you are in possession of more facts before labelling people VVankers.

[Window Cleaner]

On probably not window cleaner, but the point still stands with the player investment if they want to be a top 4 club.

 

Depends, how much did Leicester spend to win the League last year or Liverpool spend to be 8th?

Football isn't about money alone these last 2 years or so, most club have adequate turnover to rivalise with all of the others. It's how you spend it , who manages what you have and what good fortune comes your way during the season.

Now to me any top 8-10 club from ast season could finish top 4 next. The TV deal which now balances out much of the historic inequality due to stadium size and commercial revenues makes it all very undecided.

Why even Saints could have made Top 4 if it weren't for that wobble in December, if Forster had made it back a few weeks earlier we could easilty be in the CL next season because Citeh and United despite vast sums spent were badly managed in one way or another.

Edited 4 June, 2016 by Window Cleaner

[Saint-Fred]

One thing doesn't seem to have clicked with the Everton fans who are too busy congratulating each other on what a big club they are is this. Their new Part owner is worth a reported 1.7 billion and has promised 100 mil to spend plus fund a new stadium. New stadium surely going to be around 150 mil at least. 100 million won't compete with Chelsea city or even united and Arsenal. So he is going to need to chuck 100 million a year for 4 or 5 years to have even a chance of regular champions league football. Surely they are not stupid enough to expect the owner to pump half of his wealth into the club.. every chance this goes badly wrong for them!

 

And spending that much money on players will mean a massive increase in wages. Their turnover isn't so great that they can absorb that so he will also need to supply funds for that too!

[L_O_Z]

Oh well, **** that middle aged Elroy Jetson looking mercenary bastard. Let's move on and get someone else in!

 

:lol: :lol:

[simo]

Echo reporting its pretty much done!

[Batman]

Echo saying Koeman about to quit

[sammysaint]

Everton paying us 4 million for his services plus maybe more for his brother = good buiness by the board, add 7 million a year they are paying him on wages I really can not see how they are going to stand up in FFP if they then go and spend 100 million before selling Lukaku, factor in wages of them players probably being between 50-60k a week at least, they are a bigger club then us but not by that much in merchandise and commercial income surely ?

 

Also factor in Koeman spends 100 mill plus he is getting paid 7 mill a year and next season they finish 7th or 8th, how stupid are they going to look and Koeman.

[Lighthouse]

I think Ron is going to come across a couple of fairly sizable problems.

 

1) Everton's owners have put their cards on the table. If you're going to blow our wage offer out the water and make Koeman one of the top paid bosses in Europe, people are going to notice. That means when you go in for a player, the clubs, the agents and the players will all jack their prices up. Remember Damien Duff when he was at Blackburn? He was a decent, £10m player around 2003 but if Chelsea are bidding - £18m please. You could spend £100m and end up with Mangala, Lovren and Benteke.

 

2) This is a completely different job to the one he was expected to do at Saints, Feyenoord or AZ. They were all about team spirit and getting the most out of shrewd signings. Now suddenly he's going to have a dressing room full of bill big ******, all on big wages, demanding Champs League football, expecting to be first name on the team sheet etc. It's a completely different task to the one he's used to.

[pluto]

Everton paying us 4 million for his services plus maybe more for his brother = good buiness by the board, add 7 million a year they are paying him on wages I really can not see how they are going to stand up in FFP if they then go and spend 100 million before selling Lukaku, factor in wages of them players probably being between 50-60k a week at least, they are a bigger club then us but not by that much in merchandise and commercial income surely ?

 

Also factor in Koeman spends 100 mill plus he is getting paid 7 mill a year and next season they finish 7th or 8th, how stupid are they going to look and Koeman.

 

that figure probably includes for his brother and trainer.

[Saints foreva]

It will be ****ing hilarious if he falls flat on his face at Everton.

[James]

Oh well. A pretty unsavoury end to the Koeman era but it is what it is. This departure reminds me of the Delph situation last year. Ron comes out with quotes saying he's not interested in Everton and he's committed to Saints and then two weeks later he's jumped ship for the dollar signs. I hope we give him the treatment he deserves when he returns next season. Even Potch was more honourable in leaving us - he never actually said he was committed and not interested in the Spurs job he just didn't say anything at all.

 

I'm gutted that we are back in this situation when we should be feeling more optimistic than ever but I have faith that the board will make the right choice for the replacement. I just hope that the uncertainty doesn't cause our players heads to be turned. We can't afford a major rebuild this summer with the added pressures of playing in Europe.

 

As good a manager as Ron has been for us, let's not forget how we completely blew a chance of fourth place and how turgid our football was when we went through that bad run last year. Sunderland away and Leicester away in Ron's first season were as bad as I've seen a Saints team since we returned to the Prem. Let's hope the next manager is slightly more pleasing on the eye!