ALWAYS_SFC Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 I'm just waiting until he signs a contract (wherever that maybe)....Then we can judge things. Agreed But the meltdowns are quite entertaining tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Agreed But the meltdowns are quite entertaining tbh Indeed. #wemelton Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Let's not start bashing him because he's left. He did good stuff for us, does look a little foolish by making the move in the short-term, but it's his choice. I appreciate the work he did here and I hope he isn't greeted by pointless jeers and boo's every time we face him. This could be every bit the clubs decision as it is Koemans. 3 outcomes were possible this summer. 1) - Sign an improved contract so it doesn't end next summer 2) - Don't sign an improved contract and wait it out for a year 3) - Leave the club My view is that having a manager who is only signed up until the end of next season sticking around, will lead to more chaos and instability than it would if we made the change now. If it's clear he wants to go and his head has been turned, but he's still happy to see out the final year - the forget that, let him go now. The damage would be greater if we're sat here every week with speculation and comments on his future by journo's. This at least enables us to start fresh, put this 'plan' into the hands of someone who can embrace it - not someone who is off in the next year anyway. The premier league is a terrific league. The high profile nature of it next year is obscene, not just the financial increases, but the likes of Pep, Jose, Klopp, Wenger, Conte - etc etc - All in the same league. Any manager worth his salt would love to test himself in this division up against the best, and what better opportunity than to do that at a top 6 club who have a fantastic setup and EL football to look forward to. I think some will be surprised at how attractive we look right now to some unlikely names. On wards and upwards. Thanks for the memories Koeman, but if these last 2 years have taught us anything it's that it's not about 1 person. We're greater than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Indeed. #wemelton Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk Are you going to keep telling us that Everton and Koeman haven't spoken yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Let's not start bashing him because he's left. He did good stuff for us, does look a little foolish by making the move in the short-term, but it's his choice. I appreciate the work he did here and I hope he isn't greeted by pointless jeers and boo's every time we face him. This could be every bit the clubs decision as it is Koemans. 3 outcomes were possible this summer. 1) - Sign an improved contract so it doesn't end next summer 2) - Don't sign an improved contract and wait it out for a year 3) - Leave the club My view is that having a manager who is only signed up until the end of next season sticking around, will lead to more chaos and instability than it would if we made the change now. If it's clear he wants to go and his head has been turned, but he's still happy to see out the final year - the forget that, let him go now. The damage would be greater if we're sat here every week with speculation and comments on his future by journo's. This at least enables us to start fresh, put this 'plan' into the hands of someone who can embrace it - not someone who is off in the next year anyway. The premier league is a terrific league. The high profile nature of it next year is obscene, not just the financial increases, but the likes of Pep, Jose, Klopp, Wenger, Conte - etc etc - All in the same league. Any manager worth his salt would love to test himself in this division up against the best, and what better opportunity than to do that at a top 6 club who have a fantastic setup and EL football to look forward to. I think some will be surprised at how attractive we look right now to some unlikely names. On wards and upwards. Thanks for the memories Koeman, but if these last 2 years have taught us anything it's that it's not about 1 person. We're greater than that. Another top post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 West Ham are going to be furious that they have to share being linked with so many players with Everton now. Loads of money doesnt always mean good players, man city's defence proves that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Let's not start bashing him because he's left. He did good stuff for us, does look a little foolish by making the move in the short-term, but it's his choice. I appreciate the work he did here and I hope he isn't greeted by pointless jeers and boo's every time we face him. . Poch gets roundly Boo'd at least pochettino told us 6 months before he left that he very well could Koeman said 2 weeks ago he was staying. Koeman is every bit as bad (if not worse) as pochettino. At least Poch left us for a club further UP the table Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Poch gets roundly Boo'd at least pochettino told us 6 months before he left that he very well could Koeman said 2 weeks ago he was staying. Koeman is every bit (if not worse) than pochettino. At least Poch left us for a club further UP the table 100% agree this is just a transparent money grab no matter how he will try and dress it up Mr "1yr left on contract" man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Poch gets roundly Boo'd at least pochettino told us 6 months before he left that he very well could Koeman said 2 weeks ago he was staying. Koeman is every bit (if not worse) than pochettino. At least Poch left us for a club further UP the table But you will hero worship him now he's at one of your revered clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Poch gets roundly Boo'd at least pochettino told us 6 months before he left that he very well could Koeman said 2 weeks ago he was staying. Koeman is every bit (if not worse) than pochettino. At least Poch left us for a club further UP the table #anyonebutcortese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Let's not start bashing him because he's left. He did good stuff for us, does look a little foolish by making the move in the short-term, but it's his choice. I appreciate the work he did here and I hope he isn't greeted by pointless jeers and boo's every time we face him. This could be every bit the clubs decision as it is Koemans. 3 outcomes were possible this summer. 1) - Sign an improved contract so it doesn't end next summer 2) - Don't sign an improved contract and wait it out for a year 3) - Leave the club My view is that having a manager who is only signed up until the end of next season sticking around, will lead to more chaos and instability than it would if we made the change now. If it's clear he wants to go and his head has been turned, but he's still happy to see out the final year - the forget that, let him go now. The damage would be greater if we're sat here every week with speculation and comments on his future by journo's. This at least enables us to start fresh, put this 'plan' into the hands of someone who can embrace it - not someone who is off in the next year anyway. The premier league is a terrific league. The high profile nature of it next year is obscene, not just the financial increases, but the likes of Pep, Jose, Klopp, Wenger, Conte - etc etc - All in the same league. Any manager worth his salt would love to test himself in this division up against the best, and what better opportunity than to do that at a top 6 club who have a fantastic setup and EL football to look forward to. I think some will be surprised at how attractive we look right now to some unlikely names. On wards and upwards. Thanks for the memories Koeman, but if these last 2 years have taught us anything it's that it's not about 1 person. We're greater than that. Just don't understand how you can treat this news as at all positive. He was staying another year that was obvious. For him to change that even for more money something has happened massive. I think Koemans expectations on transfers and the way forward are obviously massively different to the boards. I expect he's been told he will have to sell players again and probably thinks that with the sky money etc we should be doing more. I'd love to say onwards and upwards but I just think that's very unlikely. New manager has almost impossible task to keep us at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Their new owner is clearly a bit mental, I would also guess one of those control freak types who can't accept no for an answer no matter what he has to do or how much it costs. I also think he has bought into media hype and this means that they aren't having a dramatic resurgence anytime soon if they are going to chase after the flavour of the month players like man Utd and Liverpool do and still not be competing on a financial par with either of those two clubs. Buying because a player is popular just won't work anymore not with the revenue in the league and savvy clubs like Saimts, West Ham and Leicester getting the up and coming superstars before the rich club system has broken the players motivation and playing ethic by over inflating their egos. Also if Saints said we have 6M a year to spend on getting a manager and we don't care about paying compensation, we are ready to make our next manager the 6th richest in the world; is there honestly a single Saints fan who hand on heart would choose Ronald Koeman out of all the potential options? That my friends is how mental Evertons new owner is... I reckon a few clubs are gonna make an absolute mint selling average players to this dumbass. Should be fun to watch. Well Moshiri looks to be anything but a "bit mental" as you so quaintly put it. Sold his Arsenal stake to invest in Everton where he'll have more of a say in matters or so it would seem. Chartered accountant, Ernst and Young, Deloitte, PKF yep must be a screw loose somewhere in there then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Poch gets roundly Boo'd at least pochettino told us 6 months before he left that he very well could Koeman said 2 weeks ago he was staying. Koeman is every bit (if not worse) than pochettino. At least Poch left us for a club further UP the table Hard to argue with this. Only a couple of weeks ago he said he was intending to stay. Can't imagine anything from the club changing in that time. Decision is all his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Poch gets roundly Boo'd at least pochettino told us 6 months before he left that he very well could Koeman said 2 weeks ago he was staying. Koeman is every bit as bad (if not worse) as pochettino. At least Poch left us for a club further UP the table Agree with this, unless the club ever say it was their decision to not have a manager with a year to go, but doubt that will ne revealed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JxgrSaint Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 If him leaving was the club's decision then I doubt they'd have sent Les out to say otherwise and end up looking like a right bloody twit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Well Moshiri looks to be anything but a "bit mental" as you so quaintly put it. Sold his Arsenal stake to invest in Everton where he'll have more of a say in matters or so it would seem. Chartered accountant, Ernst and Young, Deloitte, PKF yep must be a screw loose somewhere in there then. You forgot to mention his non-dom status. (And I have views on them!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Are you going to keep telling us that Everton and Koeman haven't spoken yet Don't think I said that? Although if Saints are refusing permission the negotiations will be with representatives. Most reports say Saints need to agree compensation first. Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Just don't understand how you can treat this news as at all positive. He was staying another year that was obvious. For him to change that even for more money something has happened massive. I think Koemans expectations on transfers and the way forward are obviously massively different to the boards. I expect he's been told he will have to sell players again and probably thinks that with the sky money etc we should be doing more. I'd love to say onwards and upwards but I just think that's very unlikely. New manager has almost impossible task to keep us at this level. It's not about treating it as positive, what can we do as a club other than embrace it and look to the future? Why wallow in what's happened here? Just move forward and go again. In my opinion, there wasn't a scenario where the club would allow him to stay with just 1 year remaining - that's in my opinion and also what Guan alluded to a few weeks back. Which is why I think this is as much of a club decision as it is a RK decision. The impact of changing managers now as opposed to having an entire 12 months of will he won't we is probably what's accelerated this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 (edited) Well Moshiri looks to be anything but a "bit mental" as you so quaintly put it. Sold his Arsenal stake to invest in Everton where he'll have more of a say in matters or so it would seem. Chartered accountant, Ernst and Young, Deloitte, PKF yep must be a screw loose somewhere in there then. But but but...Moshiri's the same skin colour as that skate fella. Edited 4 June, 2016 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 One appointment can be lucky two shows they know what their doing. Except Les has appointed four managers, all have been successful and Koeman wasn't a lucky appointment. But you know that and choose to be pig ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JxgrSaint Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 If you accept that loyalty is essentially dead, then there's not a great deal we can do in a situation such as this. We have been identified as the number one stepping stone club of English football it seems. And it isn't clear if there's anything we can realistically do about it. What that means in terms of achieving progression in a sustainable way I have no idea. Works well for Sevilla - go there for a couple of years then on to Barca, Real, Bayern, Milan etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Works well for Sevilla - go there for a couple of years then on to Barca, Real, Bayern, Milan etc. Dortmand also adopt a similar approach. If you're a well run club and use the finances well, then you go again. There will be sloppy years, I'm sure - but I much prefer the long-term nature of what we do as opposed to the short term 'lets throw £7m on a manager' quick fixes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Relationship between club and Ron perhaps not as positive as the one between fans and Ron. Ron frustrated to some degree by financial constraints he is asked to work under at Saints. Ron feels he has achieved the most he can at Saints in such conditions and so the way in which his time at saints is perceived by wider footballing world can only plateau or, more likely, decrease. Ron gets a little offended by what he sees as a derisory pay increase offered to him by Saints given his opinion of how good a job he has done. ron would like to move to a big club ie a top four or Cl team but there are no offers forthcoming, leaving him with a straight choice between saints and Everton. saints not keen on Ron running contract down but also not willing to compete financially with Everton's offer for Ron. wider factors surrounding Everton job, including big payday but also chance to improve club with massive financial backing are what attracts Ron to Everton. ron feels that doing a job at Everton for a couple of seasons, on top of his successful spell at Southampton will cement his chances of that big job he really desires. and that's how it happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Relationship between club and Ron perhaps not as positive as the one between fans and Ron. Ron frustrated to some degree by financial constraints he is asked to work under at Saints. Ron feels he has achieved the most he can at Saints in such conditions and so the way in which his time at saints is perceived by wider footballing world can only plateau or, more likely, decrease. Ron gets a little offended by what he sees as a derisory pay increase offered to him by Saints given his opinion of how good a job he has done. ron would like to move to a big club ie a top four or Cl team but there are no offers forthcoming, leaving him with a straight choice between saints and Everton. saints not keen on Ron running contract down but also not willing to compete financially with Everton's offer for Ron. wider factors surrounding Everton job, including big payday but also chance to improve club with massive financial backing are what attracts Ron to Everton. ron feels that doing a job at Everton for a couple of seasons, on top of his successful spell at Southampton will cement his chances of that big job he really desires. and that's how it happened. Seems reasonable with probably not enough emphasis on how much they are paying him and what that represents of their ambition in a world where ambition and money are heavily interlinked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gammoncheeks Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 100% agree this is just a transparent money grab no matter how he will try and dress it up Mr "1yr left on contract" man. Correct ...Mr Koeman the man of high morals and integrity " im staying in my contract" Blah Blah blah...... If he goes its to stuff his pockets full of money no other reason ..........Everton will have have money so bloody what? Man city , Man utd , Liverpool have spent 200million and Leicester still won the league! with us just 3 points of champion league place! I think Koeman will be despised more than Poch simply because he is a bloomin liar ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Relationship between club and Ron perhaps not as positive as the one between fans and Ron. Ron frustrated to some degree by financial constraints he is asked to work under at Saints. Ron feels he has achieved the most he can at Saints in such conditions and so the way in which his time at saints is perceived by wider footballing world can only plateau or, more likely, decrease. Ron gets a little offended by what he sees as a derisory pay increase offered to him by Saints given his opinion of how good a job he has done. ron would like to move to a big club ie a top four or Cl team but there are no offers forthcoming, leaving him with a straight choice between saints and Everton. saints not keen on Ron running contract down but also not willing to compete financially with Everton's offer for Ron. wider factors surrounding Everton job, including big payday but also chance to improve club with massive financial backing are what attracts Ron to Everton. ron feels that doing a job at Everton for a couple of seasons, on top of his successful spell at Southampton will cement his chances of that big job he really desires. and that's how it happened. Not a bad theory. Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Hard to argue with this. Only a couple of weeks ago he said he was intending to stay. Can't imagine anything from the club changing in that time. Decision is all his. Unless he said he would stay and see his final year out and the club decided that if he planned to leave then they would rather it was now. be we can speculate all day long, fact is we don't have a clue what is going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Unless he said he would stay and see his final year out and the club decided that if he planned to leave then they would rather it was now. be we can speculate all day long, fact is we don't have a clue what is going on. Correct. And I have no plans to lose sleep over it. Plenty of good managers around who would enjoy the chance at European competition and proving themselves at a small but we'll run club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 One appointment can be lucky two shows they know what their doing. Our board have had 4 good appointments, guess they know what they're doing then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Unless he said he would stay and see his final year out and the club decided that if he planned to leave then they would rather it was now. be we can speculate all day long, fact is we don't have a clue what is going on. We know Saints have a contract offer on the table to Koeman and Everton have decided to offer him a lot more money and he has chosen to go there. I would say those appear to be as factual statements based on what we know at this stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikee Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 If you accept that loyalty is essentially dead, then there's not a great deal we can do in a situation such as this. We have been identified as the number one stepping stone club of English football it seems. And it isn't clear if there's anything we can realistically do about it. What that means in terms of achieving progression in a sustainable way I have no idea. Very true.... Koeman saw us as a stepping stone and I am sure that he has sold the same strategy to the players he has signed as well. Any replacement big name manager will be the same. Perhaps this makes someone like Eddie Howe a better option as he would see us as a long term project? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 I hope this move to Everton is a carbon copy of his time at Valencia. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk That means they win a trophy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 I would be sad if Koeman left, but mainly for the reason that he seemed to be a man of his word, a person of integrity. If he did leave for a club like Everton who are below us, then it could only be that he has ditched any principles he seemed to have had for naked personal greed. I would have thought that his personal ambitions would have been served better with us in Europe, after which he could go to one of the top European clubs. If he is using the Everton job as leverage to get a higher wages deal with us, then fair enough, up to a point. I'm not that concerned about us being unable to find a replacement who is as good or better than Koeman. I have the utmost confidence in Reed and the board and their ability to choose the right candidate. I am grateful that Koeman has brought us success these past two seasons and I think that he could raise us still higher next season, but equally the calibre of manager we could now attract should be capable of that too. We are a very good proposition for an incoming ambitious manager and have furthered the careers of Koeman's predecessors. If his successor wishes to use us as a stepping stone to greater things, that can only happen if they raise the bar above what he achieved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Relationship between club and Ron perhaps not as positive as the one between fans and Ron. Ron frustrated to some degree by financial constraints he is asked to work under at Saints. Ron feels he has achieved the most he can at Saints in such conditions and so the way in which his time at saints is perceived by wider footballing world can only plateau or, more likely, decrease. Ron gets a little offended by what he sees as a derisory pay increase offered to him by Saints given his opinion of how good a job he has done. ron would like to move to a big club ie a top four or Cl team but there are no offers forthcoming, leaving him with a straight choice between saints and Everton. saints not keen on Ron running contract down but also not willing to compete financially with Everton's offer for Ron. wider factors surrounding Everton job, including big payday but also chance to improve club with massive financial backing are what attracts Ron to Everton. ron feels that doing a job at Everton for a couple of seasons, on top of his successful spell at Southampton will cement his chances of that big job he really desires. and that's how it happened. Source??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 (edited) Well Moshiri looks to be anything but a "bit mental" as you so quaintly put it. Sold his Arsenal stake to invest in Everton where he'll have more of a say in matters or so it would seem. Chartered accountant, Ernst and Young, Deloitte, PKF yep must be a screw loose somewhere in there then. Apologies if you were offended by use of the word mental. Okay he's a very accomplished and successful man I dont refute that. Why is he publicly telling rivals his transfer kitty, and making RonKoeman the 6th highest paid manager in the world when their are better options out there who would come for less. For a successful businessman it seems from the outset that he is being incredibly rash, showy and pretty daft/crazy/mental when he has only been top dog for a matter of weeks. It appears he didn't like being told no by saints and his pride was damaged and he has thrown the sink at it to prove a point. Having success and qualifications doesn't preclude someone from being a bit 'mental' in my opinion. Donald Trump probably the best popular comparison. His ego rules him first and he acts very much like a spoiled kid. I also include extreme narcissists in the same category and there's a bunch of them running our country too. Edited 4 June, 2016 by Mallagroth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Apologies if you were offended by use of the word mental. Okay he's a very accomplished and successful man I dont refute that. Why is he publicly telling rivals his transfer kitty, and making RonKoeman the 6th highest paid manager in the world when their are better options out there who would come for less. For a successful businessman it seems from the outset that he is being incredibly rash, showy and pretty daft/crazy/mental when he has only been top dog for a matter of weeks. It appears he didn't like being told no by saints and his pride was damaged and he has thrown the sink at it to prove a point. Having success and qualifications doesn't preclude someone from being a bit 'mental' in my opinion. Donald Trump probably the best popular comparison. His ego rules him first and he acts very much like a spoiled kid. hold on a min. a week ago people were talking Koeman up for Barcelona and/or Holland. That must mean he is worth being paid as one of the top 10 managers in the world, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Thankfully VVD and FF signed new long-term deals recently. I can see him coming in for Shane Long which will be a real shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 hold on a min. a week ago people were talking Koeman up for Barcelona and/or Holland. That must mean he is worth being paid as one of the top 10 managers in the world, no? We can now go back to competing with our natural rivals Bournemouth and West Bromwich ..yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Im not as upset about this as i thought i'd be, if we keep the strength in the dressing room with guys like Fonte, FF, VVD and Steven Davis we'll be fine. Hang on to Tadic (who might be happy with this by the sounds of it), Mane and Long, get J-Rod a full pre season and bring a couple of new players in. One thing i was never convinced about Ron was his reluctance to bring in academy players. We know that's the clubs philosophy. Reed as an example should have got more time, as should Stephens and maybe even the likes of Hesketh, Isgrove and Sam Gallagher I'd be happy with any of Pellegrini, Emery or De Boer or even a left field appointment like Neville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 (edited) We know Saints have a contract offer on the table to Koeman and Everton have decided to offer him a lot more money and he has chosen to go there. I would say those appear to be as factual statements based on what we know at this stage. Well we don't know to what extent Everton's proposed transfer budget is driving Koeman's decisions (quite a bit according to Jeremy Wilson who thinks the salary on the table is a secondary consideration). We also don't know how far off Southampton's offer (transfer budget + salary) is from Everton's -and to what extent Koeman wanted us to know match it or would have settled for a compromise given the advantages we have over Everton and perhaps some residual feelings of loyalty. Edited 4 June, 2016 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Thankfully VVD and FF signed new long-term deals recently. I can see him coming in for Shane Long which will be a real shame. The reason Long left Hull so soon after signing was because he wanted to move his family back down South. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 hold on a min. a week ago people were talking Koeman up for Barcelona and/or Holland. That must mean he is worth being paid as one of the top 10 managers in the world, no? No because he is not managing one of the top clubs in England let alone the world. Let's not dress this up as anything else than a decent manager has doubled his salary at a club suddenly with money. Southampton has been good for Koeman as it was Poch so I won't lose too much sleep over someone who has taken the money option as loyalty is for fans. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 That means they win a trophy! He left them 15th.....2 places off relegation. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Poch gets roundly Boo'd at least pochettino told us 6 months before he left that he very well could Koeman said 2 weeks ago he was staying. Koeman is every bit as bad (if not worse) as pochettino. At least Poch left us for a club further UP the table Come on Batman, don't be sour. Koeman did a great job at Southampton for 2 years, did you really believe he would stay on much longer? Don't know if Everton is the right club for him but he'll probably has his first year with the Saints in the back of his mind when 6 players or so left the club and all turned out well at the end. Looking forward to the new coach, my bet is on Frank de Boer who just left Ajax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 (edited) Really poor behaviour Koeman..... I hope it goes badly wrong for you there and it could! You will be cash rich but spiritually poor.... Just shows money cannot buy you happiness. Your disloyalty and disnonesty will wake you at night and haunt you. Football is somehow so uncivilised now with such monumental greed and lack of generosity of spirit and loyalty that it is becoming quite unattractive ... Edited 4 June, 2016 by captainchris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 (edited) Come on Batman, don't be sour. Koeman did a great job at Southampton for 2 years, did you really believe he would stay on much longer? Don't know if Everton is the right club for him but he'll probably has his first year with the Saints in the back of his mind when 6 players or so left the club and all turned out well at the end. Looking forward to the new coach, my bet is on Frank de Boer who just left Ajax. What do you make of de Boer? Rate him? Seems to have struggled a bit in the European competitions. Isn't Philip Cocu's stock now higher? Edited 4 June, 2016 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Come on Batman, don't be sour. Koeman did a great job at Southampton for 2 years, did you really believe he would stay on much longer? Don't know if Everton is the right club for him but he'll probably has his first year with the Saints in the back of his mind when 6 players or so left the club and all turned out well at the end. Looking forward to the new coach, my bet is on Frank de Boer who just left Ajax. I think most of us believed he'd honour his word - i.e. see out his contract and then leave next summer, not jump ship at the first chance of big money. It's disappointing but we have to look forward now, would de Boer be a good fit in your opinion? How does he compare to Koeman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 hold on a min. a week ago people were talking Koeman up for Barcelona and/or Holland. That must mean he is worth being paid as one of the top 10 managers in the world, no? Who is people? The media? The ones who can't ever seem to see past man Utd as title contenders even when they play **** week in week out? The ones who predicted Leicester bottom of the table? Where was Barcelonas offer for him? An international job hardly requires you to be the best in the world, I wouldn't touch most international managers with a barge pole, Would you class Hodgson as a top 10 or even 20 manger in the world. The U.K. Media has put Ron a fishing line for weeks for jobs well beyond his current C.V and Everton have got excited and taken the bait. No wonder Ron snapped their hands off for that sort of money and Everton is a great chance to further his profile. But 6M ? What are they thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Very true.... Koeman saw us as a stepping stone and I am sure that he has sold the same strategy to the players he has signed as well. Any replacement big name manager will be the same. Perhaps this makes someone like Eddie Howe a better option as he would see us as a long term project? There really aren't long term managers in modern football 3 seasons is a long time these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Thankfully VVD and FF signed new long-term deals recently. I can see him coming in for Shane Long which will be a real shame. Perhaps RK recommended this, knowing that Saints would then get an excellent return? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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