angelman Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 Think crabs is spot on. The club been caught out. How has the club been caught out? It seems that a 5 year deal was all but agreed (debatable), new agent comes on the scene and Everton give RK £3-5m more than we were able to. So really, where has the club been caught out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 I wonder what FF & VVD are thinking after just putting pen to paper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 Alex Crook @alex_crook 15m15 minutes ago The art of being a press officer. Hide when the sh*t hits the fan. Jordan Sibley @jordansibley 38s39 seconds ago @alex_crook let's be honest mate, we try and avoid you at the best of times �� Press officer keeping himself busy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 I wonder what FF & VVD are thinking after just putting pen to paper? I'd imagine they had an inkling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 How has the club been caught out? It seems that a 5 year deal was all but agreed (debatable), new agent comes on the scene and Everton give RK £3-5m more than we were able to. So really, where has the club been caught out? It's Obvious those tweets were pr from club. Also, it never said 5 years contract it was 5 year plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 It's Obvious those tweets were pr from club. Also, it never said 5 years contract it was 5 year plan. OK but how has the club been caught out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roboze Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 losing Koeman would be a shame, but i believe the reason our club is doing so well is because, its has a great team spirit, and i dont mean just the playing squad, i mean right down to the marshals and all involved, i think managers will be lining up to take the job, taking on a good side with euro football next season, lets be positive if he goes, it's just a new chapter in a great story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/06/03/southampton-manager-ronald-koeman-to-hold-talks-with-everton-abo/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 At this rate I can see myself wanting the North London yobbos and the Red half to turn the Toffees over next season - unthinkable 48 hours ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 Think crabs is spot on. The club been caught out. Of course you do. It's more fun for you that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/06/03/southampton-manager-ronald-koeman-to-hold-talks-with-everton-abo/ So Koeman wants to leave the good work he has done on the South Coast for more money but apparently Eddie Howe doesn't if we are to believe the telegraph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the colonel Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 I for one am getting more than just a little 'f**ked off' with going through this every summer with either manager and/or players. But then I think where were we 6 years ago...... f**k f**k f**k f**k I live n work in London. The first 3 phone calls this morning from work colleagues taking the **** about Koeman going.........and which club do they all support...F**king spuds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 I for one am getting more than just a little 'f**ked off' with going through this every summer with either manager and/or players. But then I think where were we 6 years ago...... f**k f**k f**k f**k I live n work in London. The first 3 phone calls this morning from work colleagues taking the **** about Koeman going.........and which club do they all support...F**king spuds. Just mention '3rd' to them, that'll shut them up for a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 At least Vardy the championship winning 11 game in row goalscoring record breaking small club hero is still going to go even though his team won the league. Just goes to show, we could win the league but our players/Manager will still want out if one of the big boys come calling! Defo not calling Everton "one of the big boys" there, thats what makes this situation all the more annoying, that it's not a Chelsea, Arsenal, Man United, Liverpool or Spurs...It's that "sleeping giant" Everton.. like losing someone to Leeds/Villa/Newcastle if they were in the bottom half of the our league Hopefully it will be a blessing in disguise, we'll continue to progress (maintain league position/win or get to a final of a cup) Ron fails to get Everton into the top 8. Might even get the boot by xmas if they're bottom half by then after spending 150-200m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 I for one am getting more than just a little 'f**ked off' with going through this every summer with either manager and/or players. But then I think where were we 6 years ago...... f**k f**k f**k f**k I live n work in London. The first 3 phone calls this morning from work colleagues taking the **** about Koeman going.........and which club do they all support...F**king spuds. They're c**ts then, just say to them it's not as funny as coming 3rd in a two horse to Leicester and Arsenal who btw you've never finished above in your lifetime (possibly) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 3 June, 2016 Share Posted 3 June, 2016 See our Irish workhorses/all round great guys were forced on SSN interviews to say we really liked working under Ron and obviously hope he stays....Like they're going to say anything else! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COMEONYOUREDS Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Let's be honest plenty of people were asking questions about Ron back during that run. Lots of dodgy substitutions and strange tactics. If Everton want to pay him that much more fool them. We can and we will do better. I would've liked him to stay and disappointed after he said he would but we will move on. He'll be under a lot of pressure at Everton, if they don't start the season well it could be very funny to watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 So Koeman wants to leave the good work he has done on the South Coast for more money but apparently Eddie Howe doesn't if we are to believe the telegraph Perfectly reasonable . Eddie Howe is their Ted Bates or Lawrie Mac , and I know lawrie left , but he didn't go as soon as someone flashed the cash . It's going to be much harder emotionally for Howe to leave Boscombe than Koeman to leave us . If we wanted a manager who isn't using us as a stepping stone we should have stuck with Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Hadn't noticed him on here for ages. Does seem to be drawn to these meltdowns. Hopefully not with all the fake ITK stuff like last time! You mean the stuff he knows about Koeman wont make my hair curl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 I'm not ashamed to say I was one of the ones questioning Ron on that run back in late 2015/early 2016, if it had gone on any longer than it did I would've been expecting him to be sacked, but luckily he turned it around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Gus Hiddink is the natural progression but when a manager leaves the coaching staff normally follow I think probably losing Sammy Lee as a first team coach is a bigger blow to the club. Ronald has done us proud but time to move on Most prem teams are 2-3 years with most managers it's a new trend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKsaint Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Stay or go, please do it quick. I am sick of all these news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 2 days ago. There is a growing confidence at Southampton that the old order so rudely shaken up by Leicester City is changing for them too. For instance, Everton’s interest in appointing Ronald Koeman was considered so unlikely to tempt the Southampton manager that key figures at the club cannot recall there even being a meeting about it. The polite answer being that they would not expect to lose a player to Everton, and certainly not their manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 2 days ago. Yes and everything about it still makes sense. According to reports the Toffees are now going to pay us 5 million in compo, RK 6 million a year, and Seville almost 4 million to get Monchi, on top of what they have promised to pay him. That is ridiculous no matter how you slice it, and there is no way the club could have predicted it. Nor can they do much to stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Yes and everything about it still makes sense. According to reports the Toffees are now going to pay us 5 million in compo, RK 6 million a year, and Seville almost 4 million to get Monchi, on top of what they have promised to pay him. That is ridiculous no matter how you slice it, and there is no way the club could have predicted it. Nor can they do much to stop it. Keep burying your head in the sand and telling yourself it's all about the salary pal. No matter how many times you say it doesn't make it any more correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 (edited) Keep burying your head in the sand and telling yourself it's all about the salary pal. No matter how many times you say it doesn't make it correct. Thanks for the tip pal, buddy, mate, dude. We must be such an awful club for manager's to keep wanting out. I don't know how we even find anyone willing to stay for that long! Much better if we go back to the days of firing them half way through the season. That'd be progress. Edited 4 June, 2016 by GarrettIvo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Thanks for the tip pal, buddy, mate, dude. We must be such an awful club for manager's to keep wanting out. I don't know how we even find anyone willing to stay for that long! Much better if we go back to the days of firing them half way through the season. That'd be progress. From Jeremy Wilson: The clear expectation around Southampton until these last 24 hours has been that Koeman would prefer to stay at St Mary's, where he is happy and has twice led the club to their best Premier League finish, but the sense now is that he would like to listen to the ambitious plans of Farhad Moshiri following his investment at Everton. Koeman has already indicated that he would be unhappy at Southampton to have to again oversee the sale of key players this summer after major upheavals in each of the past two years and has pointed out that, at some stage, his ability to keep pushing Southampton up the table will depend on what resources are available to him. The money that is available to spend on new players and potentially drive Everton's infrastructure forward in the long-term will form a far bigger part of his thinking than simply the salary on offer. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/06/03/southampton-manager-ronald-koeman-to-hold-talks-with-everton-abo/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 From Jeremy Wilson: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/06/03/southampton-manager-ronald-koeman-to-hold-talks-with-everton-abo/ The sad thing is that RK is damaged goods by talking to Everton. The article states they will talk to others before deciding. I suspect he would have lost a large section of the fanbase by talking to them, and so his time is up with us whatever I suggest. I would like a summer of calm but not tying him down before now was a big mistake. Complacency yet again by Les and co. Although as i have mentioned before, I don't believe they get on and so perhaps quietly Les is not too unhappy if he goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Gus Hiddink is the natural progression but when a manager leaves the coaching staff normally follow I think probably losing Sammy Lee as a first team coach is a bigger blow to the club. Ronald has done us proud but time to move on Most prem teams are 2-3 years with most managers it's a new trend Sammy Lee will 100% not be going to Everton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAY-Z Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 The sad thing is that RK is damaged goods by talking to Everton. The article states they will talk to others before deciding. I suspect he would have lost a large section of the fanbase by talking to them, and so his time is up with us whatever I suggest. I would like a summer of calm but not tying him down before now was a big mistake. Complacency yet again by Les and co. Although as i have mentioned before, I don't believe they get on and so perhaps quietly Les is not too unhappy if he goes. When should we have tied him down? During our mid season run of atrocious form? No one would've supported that As son as we got back in form he always said discuss at the ends of the season And even if we tied him down earlier it wouldn't have been at 6/7million a season so he would probably still ask to be released Leicester tied Vardy down long term too and how is that looking now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Sammy Lee will 100% not be going to Everton. I'd agree with that. Sammy going to Everton would be like getting someone from Pompey to join the Saints staff...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 (edited) Depending on the " so-called sources " you read .......Koeman is either poised with pen in hand in the Everton Boardroom....or (as I think is more likely) ......it's his agent doing the leg work and Saints have not yet (publically) agreed a compensation figure, or given permission for RK to talk to Everton. Undoubtedly, if he goes ....his staff will move with him and I hope we have a similar compensation package if they go too. As for Ron, he has gone from " a seemingly satisfied Prem. manager " two weeks ago, and now had his head turned by the vast wealth being dangled before him. As for the next step....will he go or will he stay?.....I'll offer my thoughts when we have an answer to that question. ALSO ...There has been a whole load of nonsense on here about .....why we had not signed up RK sooner. Ironically, some of it is coming from the people who were demanding his sacking during that bad spell we had in the Winter. Edited 4 June, 2016 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintTex Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 The sad thing is that RK is damaged goods by talking to Everton. The article states they will talk to others before deciding. I suspect he would have lost a large section of the fanbase by talking to them, and so his time is up with us.Yes, the writing is on the wall. Koeman has taken a step on a path he can't walk back on, I am afraid. It's done and dusted, he is won't be managing for the Saints next season, even if he thought to himself this morning: "What I am doing? I should sign with Southampton, let's get it done." He has lost the trust of the fanbase. Yeah, maybe most would welcome him back, but any dip in form during the season, the knives would be out. It would not be pretty. I would like a summer of calm but not tying him down before now was a big mistake. Complacency yet again by Les and co.There really was no point in the season where tying him down was an option. Wouldn't have made sense in the winter and Koeman didn't even want to entertain the idea the Spring. Frankly, we were in great form, no point in the Suits upsetting the apple cart while the football team was humming. Secondly, £6million-a-year or £7million-a-year salary for Koeman was never going to be on the table with Les. Neither was a £100million transfer kitty. That hasn't been the model for Southampton's success the last 6 years and I would be concerned if suddenly it were. Frankly, there are as many failures as there are success stories for clubs that suddenly throw that gobs of money around willy-nilly. Yeah, it might work, but it could just as easily fail miserably. I like Koeman a lot, so this whole situation sucks, but I am not sure there is a whole lot anyone could have done about it. Koeman is steering this ship. He can go where he wants to go, and it appears he doesn't want commit to being at Southampton. I think he is making a bad career choice, but who am I to say. and let me just say.. I like Eddie Howe, as well, but I don't think it would be the right move for Southampton or Eddie Howe. Les and Ralph should aim way higher than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Time for Liebherr to sell,bring in people with enough financial clour to take the Club to the next level. The alternative is stagnation and eventually falling back to pre Cortese/Markus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 ART and Alpine should both have their internet access restricted at times like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 ART and Alpine should both have their internet access restricted at times like this He has a point in a way. To move on to that "next level" we would need a new owner Whether people want that or not is another matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 He has a point in a way. To move on to that "next level" we would need a new owner Whether people want that or not is another matter I wouldn't want another owner. I love the way we pull a rabbit out of the hat every season and defy the pundits after a summer of evisceration. We have always been a plucky underdog, kicking big clubs arses since '76. Long may it continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Biscuits Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 So basically the clubs might be speaking. Other than that we know nothing. We know more from biscuit-gate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 All I want to know now is does he get a Redknapp type booing or Pochettino type booing when he comes back ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 He has a point in a way. To move on to that "next level" we would need a new owner Whether people want that or not is another matter Not for me. Our current owner is showing exactly the commitment and longevity needed. In Liebherr I trust. This much is constant. Everything else can change, and will. Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 All I want to know now is does he get a Redknapp type booing or Pochettino type booing when he comes back ? More complicated would be the reaction if he decides to stay, after all. Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 More complicated would be the reaction if he decides to stay, after all. Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk I'd welcome him if he said money wasn't everything after all (whilst accepting his pay rise from saints ). But don't think this will happen Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John D Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 I think the whole new contract is irrelevant. Koeman could have signed in Feb and all this would have happened anyway. So I fail to see how Board could have behaved differently. When it comes to ambition, we have to live within our means. Clearly saints have ambition but also have financial constraints on how to achieve it. We simply can't offer what Everton are without jeopardising clubs security. I fully agree with this. Let's face it, Koeman has had his head turned by massive money both salary and transfer budget. Neither of which Saints could match. I think the club believed Koeman would honour his words about seeing out his contract but have been caught out by his change of mind. So I am not holding board to blame on this one. Les should keep his mouth shut until ink is dry on contract though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Red Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 This 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 Time for Liebherr to sell,bring in people with enough financial clour to take the Club to the next level. The alternative is stagnation and eventually falling back to pre Cortese/Markus And what level would that be for ****s sake, we are at a level that far exceeds what any fan with half a brain could realistically expect. The fact that everyone wants to pillage us every year shows we are doing things right and not some rich guys play thing or the new Everton. People need to face up to the fact that this has and will always happen ,get over it and yes I am sure this will be followed by a couple of player exits but they would happen regardless. The hypocrisy on here sometimes is amazing, I have been watching saints since the late seventies as a kid and have always seen our best players and managers leave for so called better things. All I know is come the first game I will still travel 300 miles to sit in a pub for a few hours then watch 22 blokes kick a ball around with the hope that the journey home is after a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitsaint Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 I'm not surprised that any manager would want to commit to a club with proper ambition . Saints will always talk about ambition but never really walk the walk . We could just as easily come 17th or 7th . The board want profit and as long as we are in the EPL then they are happy . Personally I've never liked Koeman so it doesn't bother me for him to leave . Reading Always SFC's posts screeching hysterically at other posters has been really amusing ? Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wopper Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 With a bit of luck Koeman will f**k up at Everton and give us a laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 With a bit of luck Koeman will f**k up at Everton and give us a laugh. Everton are on a one way ticket to the next level and no mistake. All about ambition you know. Now, basically it's nothing more than a discussion about whether they finish second or top next year. I wish we were Everton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 I'm not surprised that any manager would want to commit to a club with proper ambition . Saints will always talk about ambition but never really walk the walk . We could just as easily come 17th or 7th . The board want profit and as long as we are in the EPL then they are happy . Personally I've never liked Koeman so it doesn't bother me for him to leave . Reading Always SFC's posts screeching hysterically at other posters has been really amusing ? Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk But no-one knows what Everton's ambition is. Yes, they have a new owner making a lot of aggressive noise and splashing the cash, but it takes more than that to actually succeed. And Saints do consistently state their ambition, but have an intention to do it in a sustainable way. Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 4 June, 2016 Share Posted 4 June, 2016 on a positive note at least Dusan Tadic may we l stay now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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