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S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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This could just be more brinkmanship though...

 

Nah, it's clearly happening/happened. Just want it done so we can get on with sorting our setup.

S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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Didn't realise Everton's offer was going to do that.

 

He's good but he isn't that good.

 

Wonder where he will rank in PL manager wages if he does go to Everton.

 

3rd highest I think? I'm sure i read that somewhere.

 

See, Koeman has done a great job for us. I'd love him to stay, absoloutley love him to stay - but paying him that sort of wage is obscene and it's overpaying, I'm glad we don't do that. If anything, doing that would show us to be weaker.

Roger

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3rd highest I think? I'm sure i read that somewhere.

 

See, Koeman has done a great job for us. I'd love him to stay, absoloutley love him to stay - but paying him that sort of wage is obscene and it's overpaying, I'm glad we don't do that. If anything, doing that would show us to be weaker.

 

Yes but increasing our bid to say 4 million a year seems reasonable.

Saints foreva

Saints foreva

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3rd highest I think? I'm sure i read that somewhere.

 

See, Koeman has done a great job for us. I'd love him to stay, absoloutley love him to stay - but paying him that sort of wage is obscene and it's overpaying, I'm glad we don't do that. If anything, doing that would show us to be weaker.

 

Hell of a pay off for him if it doesn't work out then.....

Katalinic

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**** "journalism" at its finest #meltdown

S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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Yes but increasing our bid to say 4 million a year seems reasonable.

 

We don't know what we offered him, the end of the day if it's about money then us increasing it to still be less than Everton's won't make a jot of difference.

nta786

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Didn't realise Everton's offer was going to do that.

 

He's good but he isn't that good.

 

Wonder where he will rank in PL manager wages if he does go to Everton.

 

joint 4th I believe.

mourinho, pep and wenger earn more, with klopp on £7m too.

beatlesaint

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that is typical Sun, scandalous tripe. Still as The Sun is banned in Liverpool nobody who cares will get to see it !

saint1977

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I'm not a fan of the board but I just want this done now. I suppose, in the cold light of day, it'll be hard to justify paying a manager several million more than some of the players, deservedly or not. Imagine the contract wrangling that'd create if some of the players kicked up.

 

Despite a couple of excellent seasons I'd be horrified if we paid RK £7m pa - good manager but his CV is boosted significantly by his time at SFC - hopefully he has another Valencia moment at Everton. For that money, you could attract a genuinely elite manager. As long as we don't do something massively stupid like choose AVB or Howe, we will be fine. There aren't many better jobs available at present, could end up with better than RK.

 

Everton beware - this owner could be Randy Lerner mk2 or could stay around. New ground to finance as well and will always be in Liverpool's shadow whatever they do.

whelk

whelk

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I was thinking people seemed to be coping a little better with some bad news this time but then loads again showing what useless feeble cnts they are.

Who the fck employs you?

Roger

Roger

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We don't know what we offered him, the end of the day if it's about money then us increasing it to still be less than Everton's won't make a jot of difference.

 

You don't know that. It may as he may be happy here in other things.

the saint in winchester

the saint in winchester

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Yes but increasing our bid to say 4 million a year seems reasonable.

 

Yeah, it sounds hideous, but £2.5M a year is £50k a week. Expect some players are on more than that? £4M is around £80k a week. We paid that for Gaston to play elsewhere, for goodness sake.

This is poker now. We have to up our offer.

Suhari

Suhari

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You don't know that. It may as he may be happy here in other things.

 

And no doubt Les and Kat will be asking the question "what do we need to do to keep you?" and then seeing what can be done within the structure and ideals our club works to.

CB Fry

CB Fry

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You don't genuinely believe I'm happy this is happening or that I wish this upon the club, do you?

Drink it in. Drink it in. It's your time.

Jackie@home

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To be honest, if one of the management team in the company we own told us they would stay if we doubled their wages, even if we thought they were excellent at their job, and could afford it at a stretch, we wouldn't do it. We would know that their heart wasn't in the right place, and they wouldn't be committed. You can't just see it as weakness if they give permission for Everton to talk to him. I expect Les and the board are fed up with this regular turmoil and want someone who will commit for the long term.

 

I see on Radio 5 tonight they mentioned that Klopp had said that, if any of his players started making noises about moving, he would have them out the door straight away, as he wanted everyone hundred percent committed (talking about Coutinho). Funnily enough, where Liverpool were concerned, they seemed to agree that this was a show of strength rather than weakness!

CanadaSaint

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Perhaps Koeman's new agent had already done some groundwork behind the scenes with the new part-owner, and then approached Koeman, at which point Koeman understandably decided to change his agent.

 

The increased cost is not just whatever we'd need to pay Koeman over and above his current offer. I'm sure he's insisting on a cracking deal for Erwin and whoever else he'd take with him, so everything rockets upwards.

 

The reality is that it's actually a choice between a mega-quid additional outflow to keep him and a circa 3 million inflow (compensation) to let him go.

 

I'd be shocked (and frankly rather disgusted with Koeman) if he went, and I think he's making a dumb career move, but I'm committed to the fiscally responsible approach, no matter what other clubs are doing.

 

If he goes, he goes. I still have faith in Reed and the club.

adrian lord

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Jesus wept, I can't believe the writer forgot VVD and Ryan...

Crab Lungs

Crab Lungs

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I expect Les and the board are fed up with this regular turmoil and want someone who will commit for the long term.

 

He's part to blame for it. Could start contract talks earlier, insist on it, show you really are committed to the manager etc instead of batting it off and then insisting everything's ok in an insipid PR video. As I said when that video was released, the game was already up; we were just getting our end of the story out first.

Block34

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It's all about the money, money, money.....

 

 

(before I retired, I was freelance - if I had had an offer of a 300% increase, believe me, I would have broken contract too!!)

angelman

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I do love the exodus happening even before we loose the manager. What happens if the new one is a good one?

Roger

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He's part to blame for it. Could start contract talks earlier, insist on it, show you really are committed to the manager etc instead of batting it off and then insisting everything's ok in an insipid PR video. As I said when that video was released, the game was already up; we were just getting our end of the story out first.

 

Couldn't agree more.

CB Fry

CB Fry

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He's part to blame for it. Could start contract talks earlier, insist on it, show you really are committed to the manager etc instead of batting it off and then insisting everything's ok in an insipid PR video. As I said when that video was released, the game was already up; we were just getting our end of the story out first.

Personally I was demanding we offer him seven million quid a year for the next five years back on New Years Day, just after we lost to Norwich to charge up to 13th.

Yorkshire Saint

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I do love the exodus happening even before we loose the manager. What happens if the new one is a good one?

 

 

I think we have there before too...

Genuinely it's going to take a World Cup winner or a CL winner this time ...

Roger

Roger

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He's part to blame for it. Could start contract talks earlier, insist on it, show you really are committed to the manager etc instead of batting it off and then insisting everything's ok in an insipid PR video. As I said when that video was released, the game was already up; we were just getting our end of the story out first.

 

Couldn't agree more.

Crab Lungs

Crab Lungs

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Personally I was demanding we offer him seven million quid a year for the next five years back on New Years Day, just after we lost to Norwich to charge up to 13th.

 

Yes, and it's in those times of adversary that you either trust and back your man or amble along blindly, muttering that youll sort it all out later. Super strong commitment and leadership right there.

TwoPints

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Well, I think its a shame that he looks like leaving before the end of his contract but perhaps the club has someone lined up who they see as a longer term option now (rather than next summer) and in a sense we are in a stronger position now than we potentially might be next summer. The fact that he hasn't signed an extension suggests he didn't want to, or maybe the two parties couldn't agree on the length, and once that is the case i think its probably best to let him move on now. I suspect that the interest of Everton facilitated this attitude.

 

Player wise I'm sure there will be the usual bed-wetters worrying that we will lose loads but its clear that we are looking longer term with the recent signings and with the likelihood of others to follow. This approach also suggests they would like a manager who wants to be here for 3-4 years rather than the usual premier league average of two or less!!

 

It wouldn't be Saints without a summer of turmoil but Im sure this will be less so overall than the last few!!

I concur.

CB Fry

CB Fry

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Yes, and it's in those times of adversary that you either trust and back your man or amble along blindly, muttering that youll sort it all out later. Super strong commitment and leadership right there.

Not sacking him at that point was quite a good move. Some Chairmen might have done that.

 

Drink it in.

doddisalegend

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Personally I was demanding we offer him seven million quid a year for the next five years back on New Years Day, just after we lost to Norwich to charge up to 13th.

 

 

Be interesting to go back and see if those upset about Koeman leaving now where the same ones getting their knickers all twisted back in the mid season slump.

TwoPints

TwoPints

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This agent stuff is ********, he is a grown man not a puppet, he doesn't need an agent to say no.

This. When I read that tweet I thought it was bullocks. He's not some spotty teenager who can be turned by an agent just like that. Koeman knows what he wants. It's more likely that the previous agent wasn't delivering so he's changed to one that will.

 

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Suhari

Suhari

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He's part to blame for it. Could start contract talks earlier, insist on it, show you really are committed to the manager etc instead of batting it off and then insisting everything's ok in an insipid PR video. As I said when that video was released, the game was already up; we were just getting our end of the story out first.

 

It was Ron who consistently said talks would happen after the season.

 

What would be the alternative? Les saying '**** you, we talk now or never!' at some point during our last 6-8 games?

 

Would that benefit the club?

Crab Lungs

Crab Lungs

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It was Ron who consistently said talks would happen after the season.

 

What would be the alternative? Les saying '**** you, we talk now or never!' at some point during our last 6-8 games?

 

Would that benefit the club?

 

Not in those words, but it's obvious persistence and intention has paid off... Just ask Everton

angelman

angelman

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It was Ron who consistently said talks would happen after the season.

 

What would be the alternative? Les saying '**** you, we talk now or never!' at some point during our last 6-8 games?

 

Would that benefit the club?

 

Spot on.

Suhari

Suhari

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Personally I was demanding we offer him seven million quid a year for the next five years back on New Years Day, just after we lost to Norwich to charge up to 13th.

 

Like.

angelman

angelman

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Not in those words, but it's obvious persistence and intention has paid off... Just ask Everton

 

Do we ignore that tweet saying that the 5 year deal was agreed until a change of agent? Everton seem to have got it by flashing £7m a year at him. We can't match that. I understand that and am OK with it.

Suhari

Suhari

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Not in those words, but it's obvious persistence and intention has paid off... Just ask Everton

 

It's obvious that chucking stupid ££££££ around may have paid off!

 

Sixth highest paid manager in the world.

Roger

Roger

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Seriously Crabs, don't start all this waffle again.

 

Before we know it, you'll be claiming our GK is L1 standard. Oh.

 

Think crabs is spot on. The club been caught out.

CB Fry

CB Fry

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Not in those words, but it's obvious persistence and intention has paid off... Just ask Everton

Everton first made contact with Koeman when, then? February?

TwoPints

TwoPints

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Do we ignore that tweet saying that the 5 year deal was agreed until a change of agent? Everton seem to have got it by flashing £7m a year at him. We can't match that. I understand that and am OK with it.

I think that tweet is crap. I can't believe for one minute that Koeman would ever have agreed a 5 year contract. A rolling 1 year contract of a two year deal I could believe but he's got his sights set on a higher prize so talk of a five year contract, IMHO, is well wide of the mark. I wonder who's fed him that info and what their motivation was.

Viking Warrior

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If he goes , I trust the club enforce a non disclosure clause in any leaving agreement . The last thing I want is Everton knowing about our new five year plan .

Still it will not belong before Guan 2 can give us one of his updates as a new day begins ,

Can he not get more than 3 posts a day at times like this .

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