Ron Koeman

[whelk]

Slightly more positive take from Adam Leitcb

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/14533715.Southampton_hopeful_over_Koeman_despite_Everton_link/?ref=twt&utm_content=Southampton,+Saints,

 

1/8 with bookies though

[Crab Lungs]

Slightly more positive take from Adam Leitcb

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/14533715.Southampton_hopeful_over_Koeman_despite_Everton_link/?ref=twt&utm_content=Southampton,+Saints,

 

1/8 with bookies though

 

Fed by the club. Sounds like a stage managed exit is on the cards

[Pilchards]

Slightly more positive take from Adam Leitcb

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/14533715.Southampton_hopeful_over_Koeman_despite_Everton_link/?ref=twt&utm_content=Southampton,+Saints,

 

1/8 with bookies though

 

It certainly looks positive reading that article.

 

This is the bit that makes me laugh. (We are relaxed, just like Alberwald, Pottychino and Clyne)

 

However, the Daily Echo understands that Saints at this stage remain relaxed about the reports, which come at a time when they are negotiating a potential contract extension with Koeman.

 

[Batman]

'remain hopeful'?

 

he is gone then

more waffle by Reed the other week also. Heard that all before too

 

as said before, Koeman will be no different to Pochettino if he walks. But many will play that down as he is not Cortese's man and all that

[whelk]

'remain hopeful'?

 

he is gone then

more waffle by Reed the other week also. Heard that all before too

 

as said before, Koeman will be no different to Pochettino if he walks. But many will play that down as he is not Cortese's man and all that

 

If he walks you are going to blame the club?

[Batman]

If he walks you are going to blame the club?

 

Not so much. Just will think Ronald has strung us along. Like Clyne, Like Pochettino

all that waffle about him being honourable and seeing out his contract and how he said he will be at saints next year etc was just horse-shyt

all that talk about wanting to discuss 'ambition' of the club would have been nothing but buying time to see how much Everton would come up with.

PR1CK, IMO

 

he would be a massive **** . At least pochettino told us 6 months before he left that would likely leave if his boss left.

 

you just watch people fall over themselves defending ronald. This is everton ffs. not a champions league chasing (or a champions league) club

Ronald will get defended for this as he is not Cortese's man. You go on the uglies, they will be on that for sure

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[doddisalegend]

It's really quite weird how you're loving this, you must have posted this 10 times on this thread. It seems you have schadenfreude over the whole situation.

 

Just plain weird.

 

 

Charlie is into his third summer of predicting doom and gloom for the club. You can tell he gets very frustrated every time the club pulls off another good season. Still chances are if he keeps predicting doom soon or latter will have a less than stellar season and he can hail himself a prophet......

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Charlie is into his third summer of predicting doom and gloom for the club. You can tell he gets very frustrated every time the club pulls off another good season. Still chances are if he keeps predicting doom soon or latter will have a less than stellar season and he can hail himself a prophet......

 

Hail himself a plonker in all honesty.

[doddisalegend]

So what does 100million in transfer budget get you these days when your squad needs a big overhaul like Evertons? It sounds good but I'm not sure its that impressive given the state of their squad or the price of even very average PL players these days. Given Everton's place in the football world they wont be signing any big name players ( who wouldn't be interested in playing for them) and even a good player like Mane is a rated at 40 million.

[doddisalegend]

Hail himself a plonker in all honesty.

 

 

Or a spurs fan on a wind up.....

[angelman]

Everton's other problem is that as soon as they come sniffing for a player, they will be charged a premium because their owner has said that they have £165m* to spend. PL clubs are already going to get stiffed, but Everton might find they will be doubly so.

 

 

* £165 obv includes the £65m that they think that they will get for Lukaku. I know that the world of football has gone mad, but even by modern day standards, they are not going to get £65m for Lukaku.

[SuperSAINT]

Slightly more positive take from Adam Leitcb

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/14533715.Southampton_hopeful_over_Koeman_despite_Everton_link/?ref=twt&utm_content=Southampton,+Saints,

 

1/8 with bookies though

 

Reminds me of this: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/southampton-remain-hopeful-signing-toby-alderweireld-despite-tottenham-chelsea-interest-1508657

 

(Same headline)

[adrian lord]

Everton need 6-8 new players.

 

So on their budget they are buying in the £20M bracket. That is a dangerous bracket full of puffed up rubbish if you haven't got a black box.

 

To match their apparent ambitions they need to be buying £40M+ players. They will come unstuck imo. Poisoned chalice for a manager.

[doddisalegend]

Everton need 6-8 new players.

 

So on their budget they are buying in the £20M bracket. That is a dangerous bracket full of puffed up rubbish if you haven't got a black box.

 

To match their apparent ambitions they need to be buying £40M players. They will come unstuck imo.

 

 

What 40 million pound players will want to go there?

[adrian lord]

What 40 million pound players will want to go there?

 

Absolutely

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Everton's other problem is that as soon as they come sniffing for a player, they will be charged a premium because their owner has said that they have £165m* to spend. PL clubs are already going to get stiffed, but Everton might find they will be doubly so.

 

 

* £165 obv includes the £65m that they think that they will get for Lukaku. I know that the world of football has gone mad, but even by modern day standards, they are not going to get £65m for Lukaku.

 

Plus they have no European football...so who will they attract?

[trousers]

Just ****es me off how so many fans just automatically assume it will always work out better..

 

Do those fans that "automatically assume" that it'll work out better if Koeman stays also pee you off?

[Unbelievable Jeff]

None of the big media outlets have said it's a done deal, just the amount offered. Sounds like, again, this could be completely on the Everton side.

[Delmary]

The silence from the usual ITKs is deafening [emoji31]

[trousers]

It's much better to just automatically assume it will work out worse, though. Sooner or later it will and finally you'll have your moment.

Indeed. Being a pessimist is a much safer tactic. If the prophecies of doom come true then the "I told you so" card can be played, whereas if it doesn't come to pass then the "I'm glad I was proven wrong" card can be played. Win win. Adopting an optimistic persona on the interweb is a far riskier strategy.

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[Unbelievable Jeff]

The silence from the usual ITKs is deafening [emoji31]

 

I didn't think they got info anymore? Or am I wrong on this? I would also assume if it was true they'd hint to it, instead of staying silent.

[Saint Charlie]

Do those fans that "automatically assume" that it'll work out better if Koeman stays also pee you off?

I think most people would surely rather keep Koeman if possible, no?

 

Point being that we are quite close to having a really good, well drilled team that could achieve the Club's aim of being ready to gatecrash the top 4 if an opportunity were to arise. Reed said in the YT video, we want a stable summer, to build on what we have with minimal disruption and to focus more on who comes in player wise rather than who leaves.

 

Just frustrating that at Saints there is always so much change. That is all and I imagine most fans agree with that?

 

Koeman cannot turn down the kind of money on offer in all honesty, I don't really blame him. It just always seems to be us that starts every summer in less than ideal circumstances and some of the Club PR then becomes tiresome.

[CB Fry]

Indeed. Being a pessimist is auch safer tactic. If the prophecies of doom come true then the "I told you so" card can be played, whereas if it doesn't cone to pass then the "I'm glad I was proven wrong" card can be played. Win win. Adopting an optimism persona on the interweb is a far riskier strategy.

The now world-famous Alpine technique of saying "everything is easy in hindsight" is the forum gloom-merchant's greatest weapon.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

I think most people would surely rather keep Koeman if possible, no?

 

Point being that we are quite close to having a really good, well drilled team that could achieve the Club's aim of being ready to gatecrash the top 4 if an opportunity were to arise. Reed said in the YT video, we want a stable summer, to build on what we have with minimal disruption and to focus more on who comes in player wise rather than who leaves.

 

Just frustrating that at Saints there is always so much change. That is all and I imagine most fans agree with that?

 

Koeman cannot turn down the kind of money on offer in all honesty, I don't really blame him. It just always seems to be us that starts every summer in less than ideal circumstances and some of the Club PR then becomes tiresome.

 

As I've asked you many times, what makes you think it's a done deal?

[angelman]

I think most people would surely rather keep Koeman if possible, no?

 

Not enough information available to answer that.

[Shroppie]

Having just ploughed through the night's posts, my take on it now is this.

 

1. Everton have not met Ron or agent but have widely advertised that they're offering the £7m and £100+ for transfers.

 

2. They then assert that this will clearly be enough to get their man. This is interpreted, first on Twitter, then by their ITKs, then the media as it being a done deal. But they still haven't spoken to Ron or got permission from Saints to do so. So, contrary to ludicrous statements on the Everton forum, it's not a done deal - yet.

 

3. Meanwhile, Ron is contemplating Saints' contract extension offer. Good, but nowhere near £7m, and probably vagueness over transfer money. He's still not sure about the club's ambition. He also wants to be free next year if Barcelona, Arsenal and possibly others come calling.

 

4. Saints' position is probably that he extends or goes. They don't want him running down his contract, and there will be, as always, other fish in the sea. They, correctly, won't match silly money.

 

5. Ron is therefore weighing a better setup, Europa League, mainly established team, chance of CL at Saints against way more money, no EL, massive rebuilding job (which if successful would really make his name),potentially (perhaps) bigger things eventually at at Everton.

 

My guess is that, although the money will be a big attraction, the key factor in Ron's mind will be where he can most enhance his reputation to encourage the really big move. If he takes on Everton and turns them round (and he'd have all the cash he needs to do that) the sky will be the limit. There's plenty of room for improvement there, but a problem could be lack of patience for instant big success, and failure could dent his CV. Perversely, the potential for improvement at Saints is less. We're already EL and can't improve by many league places next season. If he stays, he has to at least get EL again and preferably CL to cement his reputation. A season where the EL pressure sees a drop in league form would hurt his chances.

 

I think there's still a chance he'll stay, but it's now slim. If he does go, we move on, without blaming the club. We employ ambitious managers. They will always put their career prospects first, it happens.

 

 

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Edited 3 June, 2016 by Shroppie

[CB Fry]

As I've asked you many times, what makes you think it's a done deal?

Everton fed PR/spin to the papers which is always absolutely true rather than SFC fed PR/Spin to the papers which is all lies and a disgrace and I don't know how any club should be allowed to get away with it. Here, I'm going to quote it up again.

[Saint Charlie]

Not enough information available to answer that.

Yet a week ago if someone said it would be better if we got rid of Koeman they would probably have been slated?

 

If he suddenly signs a new contract today I doubt many fans will react like "Hmmm. Not sure about that." Everyone would one be delighted.

[Shroppie]

Yet a week ago if someone said it would be better if we got rid of Koeman they would probably have been slated?

 

If he suddenly signs a new contract today I doubt many fans will react like "Hmmm. Not sure about that." Everyone would one be delighted.

Yes, but we still know his days are numbered.

 

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[Unbelievable Jeff]

Everton fed PR/spin to the papers which is always absolutely true rather than SFC fed PR/Spin to the papers which is all lies and a disgrace and I don't know how any club should be allowed to get away with it. Here, I'm going to quote it up again.

 

Exactly.

[Saint Charlie]

Everton fed PR/spin to the papers which is always absolutely true rather than SFC fed PR/Spin to the papers which is all lies and a disgrace and I don't know how any club should be allowed to get away with it. Here, I'm going to quote it up again.

So you don't believe he is going?

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Yet a week ago if someone said it would be better if we got rid of Koeman they would probably have been slated?

 

If he suddenly signs a new contract today I doubt many fans will react like "Hmmm. Not sure about that." Everyone would one be delighted.

 

I think that depends on who we'd bring in.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

So you don't believe he is going?

 

What evidence makes you think he's going? I'll ask you a 6th time.

[Appy]

Think he's off personally, just stinks of the last 2 summers, Reed coming out early doors saying everything is ok, then he is made to look a mug again, you'd think someone with as much experience as him would just keep his mouth shut till all is signed.

[angelman]

Yet a week ago if someone said it would be better if we got rid of Koeman they would probably have been slated?

 

If he suddenly signs a new contract today I doubt many fans will react like "Hmmm. Not sure about that." Everyone would one be delighted.

 

 

Not really. Weeks ago, can't recall the thread, I and others stated that if he wasn't going to be buying into the next stage of development, that maybe it would be best to get someone in who would, rather than "waste" a year and then make the change. But as I say, not enough info to do anything other than speculate.

[Saint Charlie]

I think that depends on who we'd bring in.

If Koeman signed a new contract then we would likely never know that.

 

I guess it depends if you would rather Koeman stayed or rather take a gamble and get someone else.

 

I get the feeling lots of people like the excitement of the latter option which is fair enough but I would personally rather keep Koeman, who has proven his ability to do a great job.

[trousers]

I think most people would surely rather keep Koeman if possible, no?.

 

I'll be equally happy if Koeman stays or goes. Given no-one knows how things will pan out either way (jumping to conclusions aside of course) its impossible to judge what the 'best' outcome is before it happens.

 

How do we know we won't get a 'lame duck' season if Koeman sees out his contract here?

 

Equally, how do we know he won't take us into the top 4 because its his last season and he wants to go out on a high?

 

There's no point "automatically assuming" any outcome IMO.

[saint77]

I didn't think they got info anymore? Or am I wrong on this? I would also assume if it was true they'd hint to it, instead of staying silent.

 

Don't think they have been ITK For a long while to be honest they seem to come on here stir and **** off for weeks

[Saint Charlie]

I'll be equally happy if Koeman stays or goes.

 

Wouldn't you be at least a tiny bit gutted though? Surely?!

[Saint Charlie]

What evidence makes you think he's going? I'll ask you a 6th time.

Based on everything thats available, money on offer, Everton forum ITKs who they all trust, the deafening silence from both clubs and those Journalists most connected to it. Marcel van der Kraan on Sky, Koeman getting a new agent a couple of weeks ago, Guan's recent comments etc.

 

You can of course have your own opinion but I think he will go/has decided to go.

 

Hopefully its all to get a better contract here but doesn't sound like it.

[CB Fry]

So you don't believe he is going?

No idea. But happy to accept info on its merits rather than trawl around the Internet looking for bad news.

 

Let's remember which one of us, on the day Charlie Austin signed, which had been widely and comprehensively reported in mainstream outlets everywhere and confirmed by our own ITKs, was still trawling around made-up local news clickbait websites trying to find stories saying he wasn't.

[whelk]

The now world-famous Alpine technique of saying "everything is easy in hindsight" is the forum gloom-merchant's greatest weapon.

 

To be fair to Charlie he is no where near to that tiresome plank.

[trousers]

Wouldn't you be at least a tiny bit gutted though? Surely?!

Gutted? No, not in the slightest. I felt the same when Adkins and Pochettino left. My excitement about who we get next always outweighs any disappointment at losing the incumbent manager. Maybe that's because I try not to take life too seriously, who knows. Its only a game, after all.

[Saint Charlie]

Gutted? No, not in the slightest. I felt the same when Adkins and Pochettino left. My excitement about who we get next always outweighs any disappointment at losing the incumbent manager. Maybe that's because I try not to take life too seriously, who knows. Its only a game, after all.

Fair enough. Everyone I knew was gutted when Adkins left. Turned out to be the right decision (at least that was on our terms) but with the emotion in football I don't understand that reaction.

 

Obviously its gutted in football terms, not life events etc.

[Shroppie]

I'll be equally happy if Koeman stays or goes. Given no-one knows how things will pan out either way (jumping to conclusions aside of course) its impossible to judge what the 'best' outcome is before it happens.

 

How do we know we won't get a 'lame duck' season if Koeman sees out his contract here?

 

Equally, how do we know he won't take us into the top 4 because its his last season and he wants to go out on a high?

 

There's no point "automatically assuming" any outcome IMO.

This. As I posted above, at excessive length, Ron's dilemma is, IMO, that he wants to be at Barcelona or similar in a year or two and has to weigh up the potential risks and benefits to his reputation of staying at Saints against the opportunities and risks in a new, very challenging job. Plus of course, the money.

 

Everton haven't got him yet, but if he wants to go he will. Saints will maximise the compensation, shake his hand and move on.

 

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Edited 3 June, 2016 by Shroppie

[pluto]

If this media storm is from Everton its totally unprofessional and needs action taken against.

 

If this media storm is Koeman's new agent then we should consider alternatives and backstep from any new contract.

 

We should NEVER be held to ransom by the media.

[Greenridge]

Having just ploughed through the night's posts, my take on it now is this

 

4. Saints' position is probably that he extends or goes. They don't want him running down his contract, and there will be, as always, other fish in the sea. They, correctly, won't match silly money.

 

 

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Why wouldn't they want him to 'run his contract down'? His 'value' is not like a player who enters his last year. The compensation for Koeman's services is being mentioned as c£2m. So that won't factor in the decision of the board. It will be more a question of whether they feel he will give his all to the club in the final year of his contract and whether any suitable candidates are available.

[Saint Charlie]

If this media storm is from Everton its totally unprofessional and needs action taken against.

 

If this media storm is Koeman's new agent then we should consider alternatives and backstep from any new contract.

 

We should NEVER be held to ransom by the media.

There isn't a media storm though? Media largely quiet on it which is why people aren't sure if its true.

[Golden Balls]

Career-wise it's a strange move for Koeman and clearly money motivated however he will improve them. He will sort that defence out and suddenly they'll be hard to beat.

 

A shame. Like every summer now we'll always be left wondering "what if"

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Fair enough. Everyone I knew was gutted when Adkins left. Turned out to be the right decision (at least that was on our terms) but with the emotion in football I don't understand that reaction.

 

Obviously its gutted in football terms, not life events etc.

 

I certainly wasn't!