Ron Koeman

[Chalkboy]

Think we might go for De Boer.

 

Would seem to be a good fit except he's another one who thinks Southampton are a stepping stone to a bigger club.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

The Mirror have gone big and Everton forum ITKs apparently. Some Dutch Twitter journos.

 

The offer is true no doubt but not sure it is as sealed as some think yet. But resigned and ready. Our next manager will be brilliant too.

 

Mirror gone big. Thank God, I thought it was a reliable paper.

 

Everton Forum ITK's. Didn't Guan/KBilly say that Clyne was going to sign a new contract last year?

 

Honestly, this sounds like a story snowballing out of control myself, but if it does happen, so be it.

[angelman]

Would seem to be a good fit except he's another one who thinks Southampton are a stepping stone to a bigger club.

 

Do you think Ajax is smaller than Saints?

[Ed Rooney]

You just wait and read the Everton forum when they find out its Erwin Koeman

[Unbelievable Jeff]

It is unfortunately. Even Saints sometimes believe their own hype.

 

It's really quite weird how you're loving this, you must have posted this 10 times on this thread. It seems you have schadenfreude over the whole situation.

 

Just plain weird.

[Saint Charlie]

Wonder what happens to Sammy Lee and Dave Watson now. Forster is very close with Watson.

[Saint-Armstrong]

Wonder what happens to Sammy Lee and Dave Watson now. Forster is very close with Watson.

 

They're clear Reed appointments, surely? Both English coaches and both with FA connections, as with Les Reed.

 

Pretty sure they were Reed's 'men on the ground' to assist Ronald, Erwin and Jan when they came to England.

 

I would think they'll stay here.

[Saint Charlie]

It's really quite weird how you're loving this, you must have posted this 10 times on this thread. It seems you have schadenfreude over the whole situation.

 

Just plain weird.

Not loving it - its a fair question why they wouldn't have a meeting about it.

 

For thst article to be written pretty much the day before this story breaks is dreadful PR.

 

But people prefer to believe we will just "get someone better".

[Pamplemousse]

Wonder what happens to Sammy Lee and Dave Watson now. Forster is very close with Watson.

 

As Sammy Lee is a red there is no way he will end up at Goodison.

 

The only men who are Ronald's are Erwin and Jan Kluitenberg.

[CB Fry]

You can't have it both ways. Either net spend is important and directly linked to success or it isn't. You can't say it doesn't matter (Newcastle) but then use it to talk up our ability to "punch above our weight". The fact that we have/had players worth 20M- 35M consistently over 3 seasons only shows that we have very good players and deserve to be where we are, if not more.

Where did I say net spend? My issue with net spend is that it is irrelevant metric, but other financial measures aren't - wage bill for example. Newcastle and Villa punched well below their weight. What exactly is your point?

 

Pretty sure you've made plenty of comments about our low wage bill especially the "bottom four" stuff that came out during the season.

 

Might be you having it both ways not me.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Not loving it - its a fair question why they wouldn't have a meeting about it.

 

For thst article to be written pretty much the day before this story breaks is dreadful PR.

 

But people prefer to believe we will just "get someone better".

 

Still not getting why you think it's such a done deal?

[CB Fry]

Not loving it - its a fair question why they wouldn't have a meeting about it.

 

For thst article to be written pretty much the day before this story breaks is dreadful PR.

 

But people prefer to believe we will just "get someone better".

You are loving it and it is getting bit weird.

[S-Clarke]

You are loving it and it is getting bit weird.

 

Is it any surprise? He lives off stuff like this.

[Chalkboy]

Do you think Ajax is smaller than Saints?

 

DeBoer made a comment some weeks ago about a Dutch player (apologies I can't remember who or where) recommending he go to Saints as it is a good place to get noticed for an eventual big move elsewhere. I presume he might feel the same when it comes to managers as well.

[Saint Charlie]

You are loving it and it is getting bit weird.

What is weird is being proud of not having a meeting about your Manager maybe being poached because you are so smugly confident of it not happening - and then it happening.

 

The Ralph comments about "positive conversations" are also horrifically cringeworthy but people on here lap it all up.

 

Koeman leaving is a massive blow. I don't get how people shrug it off so quickly.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

What is weird is being proud of not having a meeting about your Manager maybe being poached because you are so smugly confident of it not happening - and then it happening.

 

The Ralph comments about "positive conversations" are also horrifically cringeworthy but people on here lap it all up.

 

Koeman leaving is a massive blow. I don't get how people shrug it off so quickly.

 

Because the same happened with Pochettino...

[TK8267]

What is weird is being proud of not having a meeting about your Manager maybe being poached because you are so smugly confident of it not happening - and then it happening.

 

The Ralph comments about "positive conversations" are also horrifically cringeworthy but people on here lap it all up.

 

Koeman leaving is a massive blow. I don't get how people shrug it off so quickly.

I'd suggest because it's football none of us really have a say in what happens at the club and so there is no point worrying massively about it. I support the club, not an individual, a specific player or the board whatever changes, whatever happens true fans will stand behind the club.

[CB Fry]

What is weird is being proud of not having a meeting about your Manager maybe being poached because you are so smugly confident of it not happening - and then it happening.

 

The Ralph comments about "positive conversations" are also horrifically cringeworthy but people on here lap it all up.

 

Koeman leaving is a massive blow. I don't get how people shrug it off so quickly.

I'm not sure I've seen the quotes you're referring to.

[Saint Charlie]

Because the same happened with Pochettino...

So automatically it will be fine again?

 

What if this time our preferred candidate isn't available? Or we were so sure Koeman would be here next season that they only started putting feelers out earlier this week?

 

Its naive IMO to automatically assume it will be fine to keep finding quality Managers to replace the excellent ones we lose. Its by no means certain. Plus it impacts the squad. The same squad Reed expected to remain stable.

[Saint-Armstrong]

So automatically it will be fine again?

 

What if this time our preferred candidate isn't available? Or we were so sure Koeman would be here next season that they only started putting feelers out earlier this week?

 

Its naive IMO to automatically assume it will be fine to keep finding quality Managers to replace the excellent ones we lose. Its by no means certain. Plus it impacts the squad. The same squad Reed expected to remain stable.

 

Didn't Guan suggest some months back that Saints thought that Koeman wouldn't commit and if so would give him a push to go rather than letting him linger around? Sure he did, and K Billy likewise.

 

They track managers just as they track players and I would imagine they've a firm idea of who they want to speak to before appointing the next manager.

[nta786]

So automatically it will be fine again?

 

What if this time our preferred candidate isn't available? Or we were so sure Koeman would be here next season that they only started putting feelers out earlier this week?

 

Its naive IMO to automatically assume it will be fine to keep finding quality Managers to replace the excellent ones we lose. Its by no means certain. Plus it impacts the squad. The same squad Reed expected to remain stable.

 

Don't we always have 5 potential managers shortlisted at all times, I'm sure 1 will be available.

Chill out mate. I'm just as angry, gutted and disappointed as you are but how about we wait for what happens next before coming to the conclusion that it will all go wrong.

[Fabrice29]

What is weird is being proud of not having a meeting about your Manager maybe being poached because you are so smugly confident of it not happening - and then it happening.

 

The Ralph comments about "positive conversations" are also horrifically cringeworthy but people on here lap it all up.

 

Koeman leaving is a massive blow. I don't get how people shrug it off so quickly.

 

1 - It hasn't happened yet. No real proof it is happening either. Quite a lot of chatter though and we've had that many times before

2 - Did we actually write that article?

3 - We are in the best position we have ever been. So calm down. If it happens we are in quite a good position to rectify it. It was happening next year anyway, we just put that plan into place a little earlier

[Saint Charlie]

I'm not sure I've seen the quotes you're referring to.

Next year? I'm really, really confident he will still be manager," said Krueger. "Beyond that, those are the conversations we're having now and they're really good. I like where we're at. We're in a whole different place than where we were a few years ago.

 

"It's a much more mature time for Southampton. For me if I was manager here I would be really excited about being here and the conversations we're having seem really good.

 

 

"The way we are is we want everyone to be sure they can grow in their role at the club. That begins with our most important (person) - Ronald and his role - and as long as that matches, it's great. We feel good about that right now."

 

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11700/10242788/southampton-chairman-hopeful-ronald-koeman-will-remain-with-club-next-season

 

That applies to Ronald Koeman as well, and our conversations with him have been excellent.

 

“He still has more than a year of his contract to run but we are speaking and we are in a really good place.

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/ronald-koeman-set-stay-southampton-7756032

 

Very similar to quotes about Pochettino. Fans will stop listening soon.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

So automatically it will be fine again?

 

What if this time our preferred candidate isn't available? Or we were so sure Koeman would be here next season that they only started putting feelers out earlier this week?

 

Its naive IMO to automatically assume it will be fine to keep finding quality Managers to replace the excellent ones we lose. Its by no means certain. Plus it impacts the squad. The same squad Reed expected to remain stable.

 

No, but we have a track record that it will improve, in fact we have pretty much a 100% record on appointments, so I'll put my trust in that rather than anything else.

 

PLUS, I'm not convinced he's leaving as haven't yet seen anything convincing.

[wild-saint]

whats the betting mane and wanyama end up at everton next season as well

[nta786]

[Saint Charlie]

No, but we have a track record that it will improve, in fact we have pretty much a 100% record on appointments, so I'll put my trust in that rather than anything else.

 

PLUS, I'm not convinced he's leaving as haven't yet seen anything convincing.

Agree we have a good track record. Just ****es me off how so many fans just automatically assume it will always work out better. Sooner or later it won't.

 

The fact they (allegedly) didn't have a meeting about it all just seems very smug and not really good governance. Reed and Krueger both come across as very naive at times and Krueger especially is patronising.

 

That DT article was meant to be a nice bit of PR and now makes them look foolish. They are happy enough to bang on about how great it is to secure Prowsey for another 6 years about a year into a previous long contract so they should take the rough with the smooth and acknowledge, like with Alderweireld, that they aren't always on the pulse.

[Ludwig]

Agree we have a good track record. Just ****es me off how so many fans just automatically assume it will always work out better. Sooner or later it won't.

 

The fact they (allegedly) didn't have a meeting about it all just seems very smug and not really good governance. Reed and Krueger both come across as very naive at times and Krueger especially is patronising.

 

That DT article was meant to be a nice bit of PR and now makes them look foolish. They are happy enough to bang on about how great it is to secure Prowsey for another 6 years about a year into a previous long contract so they should take the rough with the smooth and acknowledge, like with Alderweireld, that they aren't always on the pulse.

 

 

Waaaaaaahhhh!

[Saint Charlie]

Waaaaaaahhhh!

Which bit do you disagree with?

[CB Fry]

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11700/10242788/southampton-chairman-hopeful-ronald-koeman-will-remain-with-club-next-season

 

 

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/ronald-koeman-set-stay-southampton-7756032

 

Very similar to quotes about Pochettino. Fans will stop listening soon.

I was taking the pi ss but cheers anyway.

[hypochondriac]

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11700/10242788/southampton-chairman-hopeful-ronald-koeman-will-remain-with-club-next-season

 

 

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/ronald-koeman-set-stay-southampton-7756032

 

Very similar to quotes about Pochettino. Fans will stop listening soon.

I stopped reading them after Toby last year. We had a load of people saying how fantastic it was last month with the Les Reid interview and I said at the time that it will not be good news until he signed and that I didn't want to see pr stuff from the club until that happened. Hopefully other fans will now start demanding less pr fluff and for us to stay quiet until it's done.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Agree we have a good track record. Just ****es me off how so many fans just automatically assume it will always work out better. Sooner or later it won't.

 

The fact they (allegedly) didn't have a meeting about it all just seems very smug and not really good governance. Reed and Krueger both come across as very naive at times and Krueger especially is patronising.

 

That DT article was meant to be a nice bit of PR and now makes them look foolish. They are happy enough to bang on about how great it is to secure Prowsey for another 6 years about a year into a previous long contract so they should take the rough with the smooth and acknowledge, like with Alderweireld, that they aren't always on the pulse.

 

There is always a chance, of course, but if we have an excellent past track record why woukd you automatically think that is what's going to happen. That's an awful depressing outlook on life you have, especially when you spend most of it posting on this forum.

 

Must be very lonely and unhappy for you.

[Saint-Armstrong]

If Ronald doesn't want to be here or is wavering about committing to the club under the board's new plan for the next few years, then it's best that he goes now.

 

For us, and for him.

 

Everton fans won't be so forgiving if they hit a rough patch if he's taking £7m home every season, though...

 

If this is the end of his tenure, thanks for taking over during the 'meltdown' and building a squad to get our two best PL seasons, back-to-back European football and setting us up nicely for a new manager to step up to the plate and do his thing.

[CB Fry]

Agree we have a good track record. Just ****es me off how so many fans just automatically assume it will always work out better. Sooner or later it won't.

 

The fact they (allegedly) didn't have a meeting about it all just seems very smug and not really good governance. Reed and Krueger both come across as very naive at times and Krueger especially is patronising.

 

That DT article was meant to be a nice bit of PR and now makes them look foolish. They are happy enough to bang on about how great it is to secure Prowsey for another 6 years about a year into a previous long contract so they should take the rough with the smooth and acknowledge, like with Alderweireld, that they aren't always on the pulse.

It's much better to just automatically assume it will work out worse, though. Sooner or later it will and finally you'll have your moment.

[Saint_Tony]

If he goes to Everton then what a ****, worse than MP, who I wasn't too bothered about going. Massive job to rebuild a pretty poor squad, especially Everton's defence.

 

My main concern is some of our players jumping ship to join him.

 

The money's ridiculous, but who are they actually going to sign for big bucks?

 

**** him, can't wait to see them fail.

 

In Les we trust. We will have someone decent lined up and we'll go again.

 

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[Chalkboy]

Didn't Guan suggest some months back that Saints thought that Koeman wouldn't commit and if so would give him a push to go rather than letting him linger around? Sure he did, and K Billy likewise.

 

They track managers just as they track players and I would imagine they've a firm idea of who they want to speak to before appointing the next manager.

 

These might be the quotes you're thinking of;

 

 

More likely to be escorted out.

 

Lack of clarity over his own future from Koeman himself - the club cannot be expected to delay that when the results are so bad.

 

(Information that has been passed on starts) Not just Les Reed. We are a club with multiple departments, all of which are talented in collating and reviewing information, and making recommendations based on that information. In the past, how much attention players pay to their reviews has been a good indicator to the expected level of future commitment (Lallana). At the moment, our reviews are pointing to a number of worrying factors. We are not playing to the clubs preferred formation, despite purchasing players identified as being able to do so. Our training regimes are very segregated, and our post match analysis software is pointing to mistakes being repeated time after time. The path from the youth team to the first has been apparently shut, and those parents who advised their children to choose SFC over other suitors for reasons of development and who were already angry being misled, are now furious over Koeman's public statement on the subject.

 

SFC is not an unfeeling corporate machine, and in times of goals aplenty and top eight places there is leeway on our methods, but given that most departments have voiced concerns over the direction and atmosphere of the first team, and those who are seemingly barred from joining it, adding to Koeman's unwillingness to commit and our horrific run of results (Information that has been passed on end)

 

I would not be surprised if anything less than 6 points in the next 2 games sees Ronald stay until the summer. I am waiting on confirmation, but i enquired as to whether feelers have been put out over a new manager as of yet.

[Saint IQ]

https://twitter.com/FeedTheFans this guy seems to think the big push is for De Boer not Koeman and everyone else is wrong....Will Koeman be rich??? Que Sera Sera https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azxoVRTwlNg

[Saint-Armstrong]

These might be the quotes you're thinking of;

 

That's them! Thanks Chalkboy.

[Chalkboy]

Just came across this from a past thread, quite appropriate considering the present situation;

 

Koeman used to say that "you have to jump on the train when it comes along" in the past so he left some clubs before the ending of his contract. However, he acknowledged that this harmed his reputation and his career was a bit at a dead end before he joined Feyenoord. He stayed for three years and left with a very good feeling about getting things done. With this experience in mind he won't break his contract as easily as before but off course that might be different when he gets a mega offer from a different club and the Saints go along. Such an offer won't come from the Dutch FA right now as I explained above. Besides, the Dutch FA doesn't pay that the wages he can earn in the PL or in Spain. If he does take the job at the Dutch FA it will be for the honour and his reputation.

[Shandy_Top_89]

Surprised we are likely losing him to a club that are at best level with us, despite what they say about their "history", as if its relevant.

 

Bit of an unexpected blow for us, but if there is one thing that the Liebherr regime has taught us, its that the club is always prepared for every eventuality and I would trust them to find a decent successor. Emery would be my first choice, if a tad ambitious.

 

Glad we tied VVD and Forster down before this, only shows that cash is king (as in fairness it would be to all of us in all of our working lives). We have the better squad prospects and hopefully we will cream the scouse menace next season be it red or blue, who not content with just the football side of things, seem happy enough to try and hijack this city's primary industry through the backdoor of government funding.

 

Aggravated but hopeful, as I think we are one of, if not the best run club in this league and we have shown that we can beat the mercenaries before, we will do it again.

[buctootim]

https://twitter.com/FeedTheFans this guy seems to think the big push is for De Boer not Koeman and everyone else is wrong.

 

He also says Koeman is talking to Barcelona and Arsenal about 2017. Sounds plausible. I'd be happy with that, and Im not even on £6m a year.

[Breeny]

Posted about 4/5weeks ago - Done deal even then according to my scouse mate who has family connections with Everton !

[Ultimatt]

If there's really a £6m offer in front of him can anyone seriously blame him for taking that? While Ronald was a world class player it was a different era, an era where players earned nowhere near the money they do now. Surely £6m is way more than he ever earned as a player. The everton job is low risk. They finished 11th last season. 11 wins in 38 games. There's no expectations for them to challenge the top teams, he'd just need to improve on last season, not hard with a big transfer budget.

 

I see people saying it's a shame that football has become about money but it's the whole world we live in. Headhunting with better offers happens in every job. If any of you had an offer to double your salary you'd take it. If other clubs want to pay massive overs for our staff or players then we can only shake their hand, wish them luck, and find a replacement. It's a credit to our club that we continue to find players (and managers) that other clubs become so desperate to have. Have some faith in Reed and the board to make the right call and keep the club moving forward.

[SaintBobby]

Big call for Saints. If we want to start paying our manager around £6,000,000 a year rather than about £3,000,000 a year, he stays.

 

If you want to go for the former, then please don't complain about how expensive season tickets are (and condemn the freeze this year) or your Sky Sports package costs you.

 

With a 30% hike on tickets, we could meet Ronald's salary request.

Edited 3 June, 2016 by SaintBobby

[Lighthouse]

If there's really a £6m offer in front of him can anyone seriously blame him for taking that? While Ronald was a world class player it was a different era, an era where players earned nowhere near the money they do now. Surely £6m is way more than he ever earned as a player. The everton job is low risk. They finished 11th last season. 11 wins in 38 games. There's no expectations for them to challenge the top teams, he'd just need to improve on last season, not hard with a big transfer budget.

 

I see people saying it's a shame that football has become about money but it's the whole world we live in. Headhunting with better offers happens in every job. If any of you had an offer to double your salary you'd take it. If other clubs want to pay massive overs for our staff or players then we can only shake their hand, wish them luck, and find a replacement. It's a credit to our club that we continue to find players (and managers) that other clubs become so desperate to have. Have some faith in Reed and the board to make the right call and keep the club moving forward.

 

You're kidding right? If Everton really are prepared to chuck obscene amounts of money at Koeman, they will want results. Any muppet could bring them from 11th up to about 8th, their new owners will want to see that team pushing for a Champions League place and soon.

[Ultimatt]

You're kidding right? If Everton really are prepared to chuck obscene amounts of money at Koeman, they will want results. Any muppet could bring them from 11th up to about 8th, their new owners will want to see that team pushing for a Champions League place and soon.

 

Sure, in a couple of years they'd want CL, but that wouldn't be a plausible expectation next season. They'll likely be aiming for Europa (top 7) like we are, only they'll have double the money we have to go for it.

[Sour Mash]

Sure, in a couple of years they'd want CL, but that wouldn't be a plausible expectation next season. They'll likely be aiming for Europa (top 7) like we are, only they'll have double the money we have to go for it.

 

They're not showing the signs of wanting to carefully, slowly build a better club, they're going out and throwing obscene money at the flavour of the month. That strongly suggests they want immediate results.

[Ultimatt]

They're not showing the signs of wanting to carefully, slowly build a better club, they're going out and throwing obscene money at the flavour of the month. That strongly suggests they want immediate results.

 

All talk so far. Have they actually signed anyone? WHU talking about spending big money too, haven't landed anyone. It's easier said than done. Even if Everton spend big, so will other clubs. ManU missed CL and will go big this window, top 4 teams will strengthen, Chelsea will undoubtedly spend. No way can they expect CL next season. It's possible (Leicester) but incredibly unlikely. IMO realistic expectations will be them making top 7 Europa and playing more attractive football; They scored 21 goals in the 18 games of 2016, woeful.

[Pilchards]

My review is Koeman has had his head turned by the stupid amount of money offered to him.

He is happy with Saints but we can't match the 6/7m.

 

No way is Reed going to let him go so this will drag on for a while longer.

Everton will end up paying us compensation and then we start all over again for a new manager.

IMHO I would no longer want Koeman if he wants to manage Everton although I don't blame him.

[Sour Mash]

All talk so far. Have they actually signed anyone? WHU talking about spending big money too, haven't landed anyone. It's easier said than done. Even if Everton spend big, so will other clubs. ManU missed CL and will go big this window, top 4 teams will strengthen, Chelsea will undoubtedly spend. No way can they expect CL next season. It's possible (Leicester) but incredibly unlikely. IMO realistic expectations will be them making top 7 Europa and playing more attractive football; They scored 21 goals in the 18 games of 2016, woeful.

Their expectations are clearly high, you're talking about the likelihood of them achieving it, completely different thing.