Saint_Ash Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 If that's on offer, and he takes it, his departure is nothing to do with: Lazy useless Les Reed "Kat's summer plan" Lack of ambition Us selling players Not backing the manager Not convincing Koeman of our ambition Our lack of resolve Not tying him down earlier etc etc It's just silly money and off he goes. He's not worth wages of a manager who can win the league, and frankly Everton could as likely be the next QPR/Shinawatra Man City rather than the next Mansur Man City. Our next manager will be a big name and we move on. Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 Fly by night dodgy owner syndrome Does sound a bit like that to me. Just go out and throw mad amounts of money at whatever is flavour of the month and expect immediate results. That'll end well for them. Everton fans are a miserable bunch at the best of times, increased expectations really won't help that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 The most frustrating thing about this all is this is the period our ITK should be shining but K Billy and Guan have gone MIA at the time we need them most Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 Reed 'It was a too good an offer of compensation for Southampton to turn down.' He won't say that, or anything like that and you know it. We're not be selling him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 Has anyone with any form of ITK said anything ? Guan,K billy Blackmore ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 Am I alone in not giving a s h i t? Not really. It was going to happen next season anyway, or maybe the one after that. Two things for me.... 1) RK's integrity 2) The way football is these days. Neither are very appealing, and I do wonder why I carry on renewing my ST rather than just give up on the sport that has turned into a business preoccupied by money. The national teams display this evening doesn't fill me with any enthusiasm either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 If that's true, can you imagine the pressure he'll be under!? Everton fans aren't the most patient at the best of times, and he's already being looked at with disappointment over there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 The sad thing is that Everton fans will think he's gone there because of their "amazing status" and not because they have thrown ridiculous money at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goneawol Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 Everton should pick up some bargains this summer, it's not as though Chairmen will think they have £150m burning a hole... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 The most frustrating thing about this all is this is the period our ITK should be shining but K Billy and Guan have gone MIA at the time we need them most Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk K Billy and Guan are part of this 7m deal. Who else are Everton going to buy, Dalek and Alpine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 I know spending loads'a money can be seen as exciting, but they're all saying ''well, he rebuilt southampton - he can do that here''. He did and he didn't. He still had a spine of Fonte, Morgan, Wanyama to work with. Clyne, JWP etc etc. Good players that provided the foundations. Then you add the likes of Tadic, Mane, Forster around it and it goes well. At everton, he's not necessarily going to have that because 1) so many players are out of contract, 2) they're probably going to lose 1 or 2 for big money. That's pretty much a task of building a new team from complete scratch, it's a risk and it'll be interesting to see how it pans out - whoever they get in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 Yet katrina is richer than their owner. Whats that got to do with anything ? This guy is coming in like a Billy Big Balls trying to give the blue half of the city some great big lovely castle which is built on sand whilst Kat owns a club that is self funding, or that's the aim, and financially sound. Which would you rather have. For Everton's plans read Leeds and Pompey to name but two. the club survived before RK and will survive when he does leave, be it in the next few days or years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 Wouldn't a potential new stadium be years and years from completion anyway? Would that really be a factor? Nah, don't need planning permission..just whack it up using the Irish lads from the estate for cash then let the council spends years challenging whether they had permission to do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 From someone on FB today:-"Caught up with Ronald at work this afternoon.... (I KNOW ITS WHAT HE HAS TO SAY I GUESS) But truely believe he what he said that he's staying..... He said he is trying to sign 2 more Dutch players but wouldn't tell me who.... Evidently that rumour of 6million is total nonsense... And just laughed when I asked him and joking said wheres my private jet then with that money...:-D. :-D. Even though im sure he can afford one already.... Basically from a massive saints fan to all you others im so confident he will stay and maybe even surprise us all with a long contract.... COYR!!!! #WEMARCHON" Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk I suspect whoever said that is bullsh*ting, why on earth would he mention to a random person he's signing two Dutch players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 I know spending loads'a money can be seen as exciting, but they're all saying ''well, he rebuilt southampton - he can do that here''. He did and he didn't. He still had a spine of Fonte, Morgan, Wanyama to work with. Clyne, JWP etc etc. Good players that provided the foundations. Then you add the likes of Tadic, Mane, Forster around it and it goes well. At everton, he's not necessarily going to have that because 1) so many players are out of contract, 2) they're probably going to lose 1 or 2 for big money. That's pretty much a task of building a new team from complete scratch, it's a risk and it'll be interesting to see how it pans out - whoever they get in charge. Stop talking rot. He did amazing job here. Sold many of best players and improved us. Don't rewrite history. Jwp really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 (edited) The most frustrating thing about this all is this is the period our ITK should be shining but K Billy and Guan have gone MIA at the time we need them most Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk If they're insiders, maybe they are on holiday like many in football at the moment. Edited 2 June, 2016 by Daft Kerplunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 Guan gets info from kBilly and his info will be restricted to tiny snippets. The majority of stuff that goes on behind closed doors at saints stays behind closed doors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 If that's on offer, and he takes it, his departure is nothing to do with: Lazy useless Les Reed "Kat's summer plan" Lack of ambition Us selling players Not backing the manager Not convincing Koeman of our ambition Our lack of resolve Not tying him down earlier etc etc It's just silly money and off he goes. He's not worth wages of a manager who can win the league, and frankly Everton could as likely be the next QPR/Shinawatra Man City rather than the next Mansur Man City. Our next manager will be a big name and we move on. Yet katrina is richer than their owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 Stop talking rot. He did amazing job here. Sold many of best players and improved us. Don't rewrite history. Umm, i'm not? I'm not discrediting his work at all? you've totally and utterly misread what i was saying. He has done a great job here, in tricky conditions - no one is denying that. It's just that the Everton situation is likley to be a little trickier. I have no idea how you've got that out of what i posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 Stop talking rot. He did amazing job here. Sold many of best players and improved us. Don't rewrite history. Jwp really? there is nothing he has said that isn't factually correct and nobody is saying RK hasn't done a great job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 Yet katrina is richer than their owner. You keep going on about this. Is her money ours then? Do we have access to all of her money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 Changing manager last summer when they were the form team from the previous jan to May didn't hurt Leicester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 If he's just going to Everton for Money, far worse than Poch going to Spurs. Wonder if he'll get as much vitriol? Doubt it somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 Umm, i'm not? I'm not discrediting his work at all? you've totally and utterly misread what i was saying. He has done a great job here, in tricky conditions - no one is denying that. It's just that the Everton situation is likley to be a little trickier. I have no idea how you've got that out of what i posted. Read ur post again. Complete rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 Yet katrina is richer than their owner. Yet katrina is richer than their owner. Why have you quoted my same post twice with the same reply just ten minutes apart? Are you actually mental? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 Am I alone in not giving a s h i t? No not really, getting use to it each summer and yet we still seem to do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 Read ur post again. Complete rubbish. Ok, can you please tell me what's rubbish about it exactly? What have I said which discredit's his work here? Say that if you want, but back it up...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 Still 4/9 with some bookies. Everyone lump 900 on for 400 profit. It's obviously done, easy money. I remember when we got Koeman I bet on him early on as saw some random info on twitter from a guy in Scotland saying his mate caddied for him and told him he's going to Southampton. Eventually he signed but remember checking the odds frequently and them fluctuating so much that I swear someone like Steve Bruce was odds on at one point..Can't remember for sure can anyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 If he's just going to Everton for Money, far worse than Poch going to Spurs. Wonder if he'll get as much vitriol? Doubt it somehow. He's more loveable. And more likely to fail I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millbrook Saint Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 Whats that got to do with anything ? This guy is coming in like a Billy Big Balls trying to give the blue half of the city some great big lovely castle which is built on sand whilst Kat owns a club that is self funding, or that's the aim, and financially sound. Which would you rather have. For Everton's plans read Leeds and Pompey to name but two. the club survived before RK and will survive when he does leave, be it in the next few days or years. Trouble is aren't you slightly ****ed off that we continually get ****ed in the ass. It's all well and good coming out with crap like we have to be self funding but I don't really care about that, do you think Man City fans care, do you think Chelsea fans care. I'm fed up with taking the moral high ground saying stuff like we can build again, the club knows what it's doing. Then when other clubs do their business unsettling our employees in the press we just talk about having more class, well you know what **** that, when did Mr Nice Guy win anything, they just tend to get walked over. Would much rather the owner had more of an ego and took this sort of thing personally and said right enough is enough I'm not having this anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 Hmm. Naive or stupid? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/06/01/the-quiet-success-of-southampton-who-can-now-afford-to-keep-star/? There is a growing confidence at Southampton that the old order so rudely shaken up by Leicester City is changing for them too. For instance, Everton’s interest in appointing Ronald Koeman was considered so unlikely to tempt the Southampton manager that key figures at the club cannot recall there even being a meeting about it. The polite answer being that they would not expect to lose a player to Everton, and certainly not their manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAY-Z Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 Not really. It was going to happen next season anyway, or maybe the one after that. Two things for me.... 1) RK's integrity 2) The way football is these days. Neither are very appealing, and I do wonder why I carry on renewing my ST rather than just give up on the sport that has turned into a business preoccupied by money. The national teams display this evening doesn't fill me with any enthusiasm either. Couldn't agree more unfortunately To be able to watch premier league live next season in Australia we are forced to purchased Optus broadband and mobile phone plans at a minimum of $85 a month because they paid a stupid amount for the rights and are trying to get it back through overpriced subscriptions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 Trouble is aren't you slightly ****ed off that we continually get ****ed in the ass. It's all well and good coming out with crap like we have to be self funding but I don't really care about that, do you think Man City fans care, do you think Chelsea fans care. I'm fed up with taking the moral high ground saying stuff like we can build again, the club knows what it's doing. Then when other clubs do their business unsettling our employees in the press we just talk about having more class, well you know what **** that, when did Mr Nice Guy win anything, they just tend to get walked over. Would much rather the owner had more of an ego and took this sort of thing personally and said right enough is enough I'm not having this anymore. In other news we finished sixth. Not bad for Mr Nice Guy is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 Why have you quoted my same post twice with the same reply just ten minutes apart? Are you actually mental? My god what a terrible thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 Hmm. Naive or stupid? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/06/01/the-quiet-success-of-southampton-who-can-now-afford-to-keep-star/? Who knows? Maybe the club were given signals by Koeman and took him at his word, which he seems to have changed. At some stage you have to trust the employees - no point going through life thinking otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 I think, based on that £7m figure, that Koeman would become the 6th richest manager in the world? (behind Guardiola, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Zidane and Wenger) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 Trouble is aren't you slightly ****ed off that we continually get ****ed in the ass. It's all well and good coming out with crap like we have to be self funding but I don't really care about that, do you think Man City fans care, do you think Chelsea fans care. I'm fed up with taking the moral high ground saying stuff like we can build again, the club knows what it's doing. Then when other clubs do their business unsettling our employees in the press we just talk about having more class, well you know what **** that, when did Mr Nice Guy win anything, they just tend to get walked over. Would much rather the owner had more of an ego and took this sort of thing personally and said right enough is enough I'm not having this anymore. yes I am and I agree but that ain't ever gonna happen as a Saints supporter. We've been **** on ever since I can remember, going back to Guy Askham and his cronies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 Trouble is aren't you slightly ****ed off that we continually get ****ed in the ass. It's all well and good coming out with crap like we have to be self funding but I don't really care about that, do you think Man City fans care, do you think Chelsea fans care. I'm fed up with taking the moral high ground saying stuff like we can build again, the club knows what it's doing. Then when other clubs do their business unsettling our employees in the press we just talk about having more class, well you know what **** that, when did Mr Nice Guy win anything, they just tend to get walked over. Would much rather the owner had more of an ego and took this sort of thing personally and said right enough is enough I'm not having this anymore. But the thing is, we clearly do know what we're doing. We've proven it for the last 2 years. We're self funding and we're successful because of that. What's the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 I think, based on that £7m figure, that Koeman would become the 6th richest manager in the world? (behind Guardiola, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Zidane and Wenger) But that's got nothing to do with why he might want to leave. It's about ambition (obviously not personal)!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAY-Z Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 Trouble is aren't you slightly ****ed off that we continually get ****ed in the ass. It's all well and good coming out with crap like we have to be self funding but I don't really care about that, do you think Man City fans care, do you think Chelsea fans care. I'm fed up with taking the moral high ground saying stuff like we can build again, the club knows what it's doing. Then when other clubs do their business unsettling our employees in the press we just talk about having more class, well you know what **** that, when did Mr Nice Guy win anything, they just tend to get walked over. Would much rather the owner had more of an ego and took this sort of thing personally and said right enough is enough I'm not having this anymore. Well your choices are: Buy the club and run it your way Change clubs Stop supporting football Support the players and staff who are here at the time It was telling a while back when someone started a thread asking fans if they would pay more for guarantees that people would stay and the majority of fans said no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 That would test anyone's loyalty. But note the report still only says this will be offered and they're confident it will do the job. In fact they seem confident that money can get whatever and whoever they want. We'll see. If he goes, it's a backward step for him in every way except money. Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk If he goes purely for the money then he plummets in my estimation. The man has no ambition other than greed. Another season and he could have had his pick of one of the top clubs, and Everton are not one of those and won't be in my lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkboy Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 Hmm. Naive or stupid? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/06/01/the-quiet-success-of-southampton-who-can-now-afford-to-keep-star/? Embarrassing. And arrogant. If Ron is gone. I'd love to know what has gone on to change things so quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 I think, based on that £7m figure, that Koeman would become the 6th richest manager in the world? (behind Guardiola, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Zidane and Wenger) Why don't they appoint Simeone or Tuchel instead? Or Low? Someone resembling an elite manager. Koeman just not worth that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 Sky Bet moved from 4/9 to 1/8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 Note that these articles say that Everton want Koeman, not that he wants to go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 Embarrassing. And arrogant. If Ron is gone. I'd love to know what has gone on to change things so quickly. £7m would do it. £21m over 3 years. If they sack him, that's still one hell of a flaming pay off. Didn't think he'd go for money, but that's a hell of a lot to shrug off. Who knows, still not confirmed anywhere reputable tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 If he's just going to Everton for Money, far worse than Poch going to Spurs. Wonder if he'll get as much vitriol? Doubt it somehow. I reckon he would get as much if not more. A lot of us thought that he is honourable and probably would not sign a new deal but would see out his current contract. I, for one, perceived it that way and was resigned to him moving on next summer after a crack at Europe with us. To move to a club for purely money part way through his contract is just as bad as poch. If it was to a big club I could understand but Everton? It is 100 % for the money and would show his true colours. If true I hope he signs a 5 year deal and misses out on a proper big club, the Arsenal job as a result! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 Everton are offering Koeman: - £7m per season - £100m budget - 100% of whatever Lukaku goes for - new stadium guarantee Kenwright confident that by Monday that Koeman will be their new boss. Story: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/southamptons-ronald-koeman-poised-become-8104214 Leicester have shown than hard work, dedication in every area, good physios/recovery staff, good recruitment and scouting network can outdo money and so have Southampton and Spurs to an extent. Hope in all ends in tears for them which it very well could. Must not sell to them if he goes there too, sell to spurs by all means now. They're a direct rival, we were close to spurs last season but realistically they have always been in the top 5/6 whereas Everton are a bit of a yoyo club when it comes to League positions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt95 Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 Hi lads, Everton fan here. I was actually on here a few weeks ago saying how I wanted Koeman the most out of the targets realistically available. Without getting into an argument, I said at the time that Everton are the bigger club (we are, based on everything that is deemed to make a club 'bigger' than another), I believe that Southampton, over the past few seasons, have been better - and that's proven by your league finishes. So, I can see why many people would objectively see this as a sideways move - and I said that a few weeks back. However, it seems we have now got our man. From what we Evertonians know (and it's very little, as the club has been extremely quiet in all this), RK was Moshiri's no.1 target from the start, but supposedly RK overplayed his hand slightly last week, and we made extensive contact with Emery from Sevilla. He was offered the job but until today it was not clear whether he would take it. In the meantime, RK came back into the reckoning. So I suppose there was a bit of bluffing and double bluffing from all parties involved. If it goes through, and by very reliable sources on our side, it has been done, then I'm delighted. I think the majority of our fanbase will be. Many seemed to have jumped on the Emery bandwagon, but for me Koeman's PL experience was possibly the factor that made us offer that bit much more to RK than Emery. We can't be sure on that. I'd have been delighted with either. Interesting to see where you go next. You have the Europa to at least attract a big name (as if the Prem alone wasn't enough to do that). I imagine that De Boer will now shoot way up in the reckoning, or do you perhaps even see yourselves going for Pellegrini? My posts per-day are still limited on here, so I tried to fit as much as possible into one response! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millbrook Saint Posted 2 June, 2016 Share Posted 2 June, 2016 In other news we finished sixth. Not bad for Mr Nice Guy is it? Yeah I agree, trouble is as soon as we do well our key personnel are taken from us, I could handle it being big clubs but everton for ****s sake, another has been club with ideas above their station, they're like that little kid at school who hangs with the cool kids hoping it will reflect on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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