CB Fry Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 Please tell me all who think Barca is too much of a big jump for him, what major clubs Rijkaard Tito Pep and Enrique managed before Barca ? Indeed. He could get the Barca job, hr has Barca pedigree in spades. However it might be too late - it should have been his first or second job, as a fresh untarnished boss.
shurlock Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 But even bigger from Everton Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk Everton are a bigger club and have a higher ceiling than us, especially if you believe reports about the funds being made available to the next manager. We'll be lucky to finish top 6 next season (though it's not impossible), so if there's anytime for Koeman to cash in, it's now. Would Arsenal really want him next season if we finish top 10, however perfectly respectable that might be. Thats not saying there aren't risks with Everton. In the short-term, they arguably have a lower floor than us, so he could easily f**k up given the rebuild that's necessary there. But any manager who is confident in their ability will be thinking about the upside, not obsessing about the downside.
Saint Without a Halo Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 If we paid 12m for Ramierez and 16m for Osvaldo surely Koeman is worth 6m to us?
Toon Saint Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 There is a growing confidence at Southampton that the old order so rudely shaken up by Leicester City is changing for them too. For instance, Everton’s interest in appointing Ronald Koeman was considered so unlikely to tempt the Southampton manager that key figures at the club cannot recall there even being a meeting about it. The polite answer being that they would not expect to lose a player to Everton, and certainly not their manager. Whatever the outcome, seems a bit daft to plant this in the Torygraph before a new contract was even sorted.
SuperSAINT Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 If all this turns out to be true, it must be written into SaintsWeb lore that anyone who changes agent before contract talks is definitely leaving!
doddisalegend Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 If all this turns out to be true, it must be written into SaintsWeb lore that anyone who changes agent before contract talks is definitely leaving! Yeah but Fonte changed agent just before signing a new contract with us...
SuperSAINT Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 Yeah but Fonte changed agent just before signing a new contract with us... I'll give you that one!
Suhari Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 So what are the factual updates in the past few hours? Has it been confirmed that someone has gone up to Liverpool? Do we know who? (Original report said the agent, yet some here are saying Ron). Anything further on the Liverpool News article that said the owner and chairman are in London today anyway? Or are we flapping over rumours and hearsay?
SaintRobbie Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 If he goes it's due to lack of ambition by own Boardroom. Summer meltdown 3. Still we'll get a better manager.... Errrr not. Failure to back our manager. Board won't survive if Koeman leaves. Saints fans have had enough of Summer meltdowns due to lack of ambition. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
angelman Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 If he goes it's due to lack of ambition by own Boardroom. Summer meltdown 3. Still we'll get a better manager.... Errrr not. Failure to back our manager. Board won't survive if Koeman leaves. Saints fans have had enough of Summer meltdowns due to lack of ambition. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk What is ambition? Spending millions and millions and millions? Is that all ambition is?
Avenue_Saint Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 If we paid 12m for Ramierez and 16m for Osvaldo surely Koeman is worth 6m to us? Of course he is. BUT despite a few on here, forcing it down everyone's throat that "this is all about the money" nothing is further from the truth. I seriously doubt this is a salary thing for Koeman, it's about being made aware of Kat's summer plans and him quite possibly and plain simply saying not for me. You will struggle to find a more genuine and loyal figure than Koeman in the modern game. A man of values and integrity. The fact remains even before Everton started making noises, Koeman had already laid his cards out on the table and marked out his position about sales and investment. This ain't looking good for Kat and Les if Koeman goes.
CB Fry Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 If he goes it's due to lack of ambition by own Boardroom. Summer meltdown 3. Still we'll get a better manager.... Errrr not. Failure to back our manager. Board won't survive if Koeman leaves. Saints fans have had enough of Summer meltdowns due to lack of ambition. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk How hasn't he been backed?
doddisalegend Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 If he goes it's due to lack of ambition by own Boardroom. Summer meltdown 3. Still we'll get a better manager.... Errrr not. Failure to back our manager. Board won't survive if Koeman leaves. Saints fans have had enough of Summer meltdowns due to lack of ambition. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Failure to back our manager give me a break.....koeman has been allowed to bring in loads of his own signings.
Golden Balls Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 What is ambition? Spending millions and millions and millions? Is that all ambition is? Keeping staff would be a decent start.
SaintRobbie Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 I'm guessing the Board will do something like get Benitez and two Les players called Redmond and Townsend. Then it will become clear Koeman has no control over player purchases. We'll see what happens. But we won't keep progressing after summer meltdowns - Les has got lucky so fat Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
St Chalet Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 Club put out article saying they think done deal, agent re-ignites Everton link. It would be an odd move for Koeman. We will replace him well I am sure but the message it sends out is we've hit our glass ceiling. The other thing that doesn't add up for me is Toffees are convinced they are getting the Spanish Paul Mitchell to join up Koeman, again makes no sense, why not pair him up with the bloke he has worked with so well at Sevilla?
angelman Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 Keeping staff would be a decent start. ie spending millions and millions to match bigger clubs. Some seem not to understand that when a bigger, richer club comes calling, we cannot compete, regardless of the "Sky millions".
SaintRobbie Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 Could be right St Chalet - you might be right. Does seem odd - unless our ambition and Boardroom really are that bad.... And let's face it last two summers have hardly been glorious from that perspective. God I hope he stays Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
CB Fry Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 Of course he is. BUT despite a few on here, forcing it down everyone's throat that "this is all about the money" nothing is further from the truth. I seriously doubt this is a salary thing for Koeman, it's about being made aware of Kat's summer plans and him quite possibly and plain simply saying not for me. You will struggle to find a more genuine and loyal figure than Koeman in the modern game. A man of values and integrity. The fact remains even before Everton started making noises, Koeman had already laid his cards out on the table and marked out his position about sales and investment. This ain't looking good for Kat and Les if Koeman goes. "Kat's summer plans". Jesus wept.
Batman Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 Could be right St Chalet - you might be right. Does seem odd - unless our ambition and Boardroom really are that bad.... And let's face it last two summers have hardly been glorious from that perspective. God I hope he stays Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk How can it be that bad. Throughout the season and again the other day from Reed. You hear "champions league" a fair bit So how can it be "bad" when he really believes we are just a snip away from it
Avenue_Saint Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 Could be right St Chalet - you might be right. Does seem odd - unless our ambition and Boardroom really are that bad.... And let's face it last two summers have hardly been glorious from that perspective. God I hope he stays Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Would love it if Cortese found another Markus and came marching back in relieving Kat of her duties.
Shroppie Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 Would love it if Cortese found another Markus and came marching back in relieving Kat of her duties. 1.5/10. Must try harder Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk
Sour Mash Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 Club put out article saying they think done deal, agent re-ignites Everton link. It would be an odd move for Koeman. We will replace him well I am sure but the message it sends out is we've hit our glass ceiling. The other thing that doesn't add up for me is Toffees are convinced they are getting the Spanish Paul Mitchell to join up Koeman, again makes no sense, why not pair him up with the bloke he has worked with so well at Sevilla? I don't think Koeman will leave, but could Koeman be thinking we have reached our glass ceiling? Unless we have an exceptional run in Europa or win a domestic cup, Koeman might be thinking it won't get much better than last season, move on while ahead.
Raging Bull Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 Forgive me if I'm wrong but: A) didn't Ronald say he intends to see his contract out? B) does Frank de Boer have the same agent so could be there for him?
Saint_Jonny Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 Bunch of bed wetting melts on here. Nothing confirmed and I cant believe how many are slating the board, Les et al. Just come off the back of another amazing SEASON for Saints and you'd think we were Aston ****ing Villa judging by the comments on here. Stop looking at twitter make believers and take a step back towards reality.
SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 ALL SUPPOSITION!! Till you hear it from SAINTS FC.. END OF!
Dan Johnson Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 Keeping staff would be a decent start. We've just had 3 big players sign long new contracts! Offers on the table to other players and the manager himself, id say that's something we are doing at the moment
Saint IQ Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 Of course he is. BUT despite a few on here, forcing it down everyone's throat that "this is all about the money" nothing is further from the truth. I seriously doubt this is a salary thing for Koeman, it's about being made aware of Kat's summer plans and him quite possibly and plain simply saying not for me. You will struggle to find a more genuine and loyal figure than Koeman in the modern game. A man of values and integrity. The fact remains even before Everton started making noises, Koeman had already laid his cards out on the table and marked out his position about sales and investment. This ain't looking good for Kat and Les if Koeman goes. Its all about the money if he goes to Everton nothing else, even though he promised he would see out his contract to us the fans and also promised this http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/koeman-not-use-southampton-stepping-4061820
Saints foreva Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 Like I said a few pages back, I think he will stay on for another season and then leave next Summer... BUT if he does go (I'd be disappointed with him and probably dislike him more than I ever disliked Poch) then the club is probably in its strongest position ever to attract a top manager imo.
Matthew Le God Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 If he goes it's due to lack of ambition by own Boardroom. Summer meltdown 3. Still we'll get a better manager.... Errrr not. Failure to back our manager. Board won't survive if Koeman leaves. Saints fans have had enough of Summer meltdowns due to lack of ambition. Are you not aware that the club has been owned by the Liebherr's and in those 7 seasons we've improved each time? Out of 92 English clubs... 09/10 51st 10/11 46th 11/12 22nd 12/13 14th 13/14 8th 14/15 7th 15/16 6th How is that lack of ambition? ffs We've gone from League One to 6th in the most high profile league in world sport!!!
Suhari Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 Not long ago... And what, specifically, has changed since then?
nta786 Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 Its all about the money if he goes to Everton nothing else, even though he promised he would see out his contract to us the fans and also promised this http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/koeman-not-use-southampton-stepping-4061820 hmm except he's stepped sideways at best.
Saint_Ash Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 Bunch of bed wetting melts on here. Nothing confirmed and I cant believe how many are slating the board, Les et al. Just come off the back of another amazing SEASON for Saints and you'd think we were Aston ****ing Villa judging by the comments on here. Stop looking at twitter make believers and take a step back towards reality. It's the same weirdos who seem to think our owner has done a poor job and love an excuse to slate her and the board even though we have had 7 years of improvement.
badgerx16 Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 Saints fans have had enough of Summer meltdowns due to lack of ambition. When exactly was the last verifiable 'meltdown' ?
CB Fry Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 It's the same weirdos who seem to think our owner has done a poor job and love an excuse to slate her and the board even though we have had 7 years of improvement. And we've had our first "they got lucky" dismissal of two seasons of record breaking points totals and league finishes. Two entire seasons of progress. But we won't keep progressing after summer meltdowns - Les has got lucky so far Take a fu cking bow.
gammoncheeks Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 Bunch of bed wetting melts on here. Nothing confirmed and I cant believe how many are slating the board, Les et al. Just come off the back of another amazing SEASON for Saints and you'd think we were Aston ****ing Villa judging by the comments on here. Stop looking at twitter make believers and take a step back towards reality. Koemans probably laughing about this crap! He will be here next season as he is a decent man with morals and most importantly he has already said That he is STAYING !!!!!!
Roger Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 Of course he is. BUT despite a few on here, forcing it down everyone's throat that "this is all about the money" nothing is further from the truth. I seriously doubt this is a salary thing for Koeman, it's about being made aware of Kat's summer plans and him quite possibly and plain simply saying not for me. You will struggle to find a more genuine and loyal figure than Koeman in the modern game. A man of values and integrity. The fact remains even before Everton started making noises, Koeman had already laid his cards out on the table and marked out his position about sales and investment. This ain't looking good for Kat and Les if Koeman goes. Koeman to Everton a done deal. Why say that without anything to back it up.
S-Clarke Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 The everton fans are talking as if it's done, dusted, rubber stamped. Their main ITK guy has just said it's done.
Colinjb Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 Koeman to Everton a done deal. Phew, thanks for that. We can relax now lads, move on.
Shroppie Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 Koeman to Everton a done deal. That really is one of the most stupid posts ever. Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk
miserableoldgit Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 From someone on FB today:-"Caught up with Ronald at work this afternoon.... (I KNOW ITS WHAT HE HAS TO SAY I GUESS) But truely believe he what he said that he's staying..... He said he is trying to sign 2 more Dutch players but wouldn't tell me who.... Evidently that rumour of 6million is total nonsense... And just laughed when I asked him and joking said wheres my private jet then with that money...:-D. :-D. Even though im sure he can afford one already.... Basically from a massive saints fan to all you others im so confident he will stay and maybe even surprise us all with a long contract.... COYR!!!! #WEMARCHON" Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk
SuperSAINT Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 The everton fans are talking as if it's done, dusted, rubber stamped. Their main ITK guy has just said it's done. Well, Ronald did say that thing's like this can be agreed very quickly.
adrian lord Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 If he has gone, we will stun everyone with our next manager. No worries.
nta786 Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 if we thought everton fans were arrogant... if they get koeman:mcinnes: 'If we like him (Forster) and he's a fan of Koeman maybe he'd want to jump ship. Would be an excellent signing. I'd say he's (Forster) earned a chance to play for one of the big dogs in the league, and not the Jack Russell Southampton are.'
Saint Charlie Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 Bit gutting really to lose him to Everton after all the recent PR about "ambition".
S-Clarke Posted 2 June, 2016 Posted 2 June, 2016 The everton fans are unbelievable. I honestly wasn't bothered about them before, didn't really notice them. Nice established PL club, but christ on a bike they're like their big brother. Totally deluded about everything, not just football.
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