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Chalkboy

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Why sack him when we would probably be due some compo if he left for Everton . If they want him they'll need to pay up .

 

I suppose I'm looking at it in terms of PR for the club, I would rather it appeared we dispensed of his services rather than he preferred another club.

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Full SSN quotes from Van Der Kraan:

 

Everton have made a second "massive" move for Southampton manager Ronald Koeman, according to Dutch journalist Marcel van der Kraan.

 

Koeman was installed as the favourite to succeed the sacked Roberto Martinez on Merseyside earlier on Thursday and De Telegraaf writer Van der Kraan believes the Saints boss faces a huge decision in the next 24 hours.

 

Koeman has been in talks over a new contract on the south coast, with his current deal set to expire in 2017, but reports in the Netherlands have claimed Koeman is on his way to Everton for talks along with his agent Rob Jansen.

 

Van der Kraan told Sky Sports News HQ: "Everton have come out all guns blazing to try and get the man they wanted in the first place.

 

"When Ronald made it clear that Southampton was his priority and that his heart was there, he wasn't going to go. But, as happens more in football, sometimes when you say no the more they want you, and they have now come back in for him, and it looks very, very positive.

 

 

"They know that, when you look at the situation at Southampton, Ronald Koeman has a great set-up. He's been boasting about the training facilities and the team he's built there and got into Europe twice in a row. You can't really say it can get any better.

 

"So for Everton to convince him, and come in for him a second time, means they have to offer him a massive package, with great prospects on the transfer market, otherwise there would be no point trying to speak to him at this moment.

 

"They have other people on the horizon. I understand that, up until the weekend, Sevilla manager Unai Emery was a top candidate, and Frank de Boer has never been away from the table.

 

"But Koeman is the man Mr [Farhad] Moshiri [Everton's owner], really wants and he's made that clear. The next 24 hours could be very decisive. If I was putting my money on anything, it would be on Koeman heading north."

 

Koeman took Southampton to a sixth-place finish last season and a second season in the Europa League, while Everton languished in the bottom half of the table and finished 11th.

 

But Van der Kraan believes Koeman may feel he has taken the Saints as far as they can go with a limited budget, while Everton are anticipated to spend heavily with the investment of new owner Moshiri.

 

He said: "Significant transfer funds could absolutely be a decisive factor. At Southampton, he's built a good team, bought all the right players. He has a good eye for players and knows the European market very well.

 

"So that could make a major difference for him to go. He needs to improve a lot of things at Everton to even match, let alone improve, what he's got at Southampton.

 

"Ronald made it clear in his last column in De Telegraaf that, when he looks back at the last two seasons, he has really got the maximum out of the players that he's bought.

 

"He has had to work with a smaller package than clubs like Manchester United and he's put them into European football twice, and maybe he is got more out of them that anyone else could."

 

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/10302379/everton-go-all-guns-blazing-for-southampton-boss-ronald-koeman

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So the only way this could be remotely true is if we've signalled our intention to terminate his contract/sack him. None of this makes any sense otherwise.

 

It's so tricky to interpret what's going on. I go back to Guan's post a while ago where he said:

 

As for the reasoning, as I speculated on a different thread, perhaps the club are getting nowhere in Koeman negotiations and want to ease in a new manager rather than let him see out his contract, which would mean no certainty for the players, and hoping a good coach/manager suddenly becomes available at the end of season.

 

Maybe that's what's happening? Maybe Ron doesn't want to sign up, and we don't want situation so we've allowed him to talk to Everton.

 

A lot probably lies with the Everton Billionaire who is an unknown factor. We don't know if he's going to lay £100m down in cash to rebuild (without selling) and thus will offer him the rumoured £6m salary.

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Convict Colony

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It's so tricky to interpret what's going on. I go back to Guan's post a while ago where he said:

 

 

 

Maybe that's what's happening? Maybe Ron doesn't want to sign up, and we don't want situation so we've allowed him to talk to Everton.

 

A lot probably lies with the Everton Billionaire who is an unknown factor. We don't know if he's going to lay £100m down in cash to rebuild (without selling) and thus will offer him the rumoured £6m salary.

 

Saw you and thought Hakim watch.

 

"In recent months, the Dutch club was approached leaders Borussia Dortmund and VfB Stuttgart, Sampdoria and the prestigious AC-Milan, the Belgian club Anderlecht and FC Porto, but also by the AFC Swansea, who want s 'curry favor with the player. But these offers seem to satisfy neither the club nor the player who thinks big and whose name is rumored in the aisles of the Camp Nou, where leaders FC Barcelona would be dissatisfied with the performance of the Turkish player Arda Turan."

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Wouldn't RK need SFC's permission to talk to Everton? Andi f such permission had been granted wouldn't there be an announcement of it?

Depends if they are talking formally or informally.

 

Usually the permission is asked for once the deal is virtually setup.

 

Very interesting that none of the main UK journalists have commented yet. Almost like they have been told not to!

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"They know that, when you look at the situation at Southampton, Ronald Koeman has a great set-up. He's been boasting about the training facilities and the team he's built there and got into Europe twice in a row. You can't really say it can get any better."

 

Seriously, it can't get any better? I suppose playing in the group stages of the European Cup isn't "any better".

I've heard Van Der Kraan before, I remember when Koeman joined Saints he said he was surprised he didn't go to a bigger club, so his tune hasn't changed much.

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All this talk about their huge transfer kitty, i was wondering just how much are we prepared give him? before sales of course. It must be a really uninspiring figure if he's prepared to leave us. Also is their squad really any better than ours? Only lukaku would get into our xI. Fans on their forum are right pr*cks aren't they? Calling us a yoyo club.

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Saw you and thought Hakim watch.

 

"In recent months, the Dutch club was approached leaders Borussia Dortmund and VfB Stuttgart, Sampdoria and the prestigious AC-Milan, the Belgian club Anderlecht and FC Porto, but also by the AFC Swansea, who want s 'curry favor with the player. But these offers seem to satisfy neither the club nor the player who thinks big and whose name is rumored in the aisles of the Camp Nou, where leaders FC Barcelona would be dissatisfied with the performance of the Turkish player Arda Turan."

 

Impressive!

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All this talk about their huge transfer kitty, i was wondering just how much are we prepared give him? before sales of course. It must be a really uninspiring figure if he's prepared to leave us. Also is their squad really any better than ours? Only lukaku would get into our xI. Fans on their forum are right pr*cks aren't they? Calling us a yoyo club.

 

Apparently (according to the also rans) their squad is already better than ours, they don't need to buy to improve it. That's why it's so exciting if he's given so much money, apparently.

 

I'll ignore the likes of Joel Robels, Baines, Hibbert, Osman, Gibson, Naise, Kone, Jagielka, Barry, Oviedo then.

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All this talk about their huge transfer kitty, i was wondering just how much are we prepared give him? before sales of course. It must be a really uninspiring figure if he's prepared to leave us. Also is their squad really any better than ours? Only lukaku would get into our xI. Fans on their forum are right pr*cks aren't they? Calling us a yoyo club.

 

Just been told they are a sleeping giant buy one delusional bin dipper.

 

In all honesty they are just another Aston Villa, had there day in the sun a long time ago.

 

Villa may be even a bigger club then them, they are the biggest club in there city at least

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Don't diagree with you, but for all our integrity and doing things the right way, we should be able to summon sufficient resolve to keep a manager and players, especially when they are already under contract.

 

I'd understand RK going to Arsenal, Barcelona, or the Netherlands job, but elsewhere this sumer is ridiculous.

Ultimately it won't be about "summoning resolve" if Everton genuinely are offering to triple his money and he wants to go.

 

I know if he goes the forum will be a tsunami of div comments about how we didn't try, how Les can't close deals etc etc but we would have tried, we want him to stay. If he doesn't want to stay ultimately we can't make him.

 

Personally it feels like an odd and pointless career choice putting him two years further back from a really big job bit if he goes for the money then he goes.

 

Still think it won't happen.

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Ultimately it won't be about "summoning resolve" if Everton genuinely are offering to triple his money and he wants to go.

 

I know if he goes the forum will be a tsunami of div comments about how we didn't try, how Les can't close deals etc etc but we would have tried, we want him to stay. If he doesn't want to stay ultimately we can't make him.

 

Personally it feels like an odd and pointless career choice putting him two years further back from a really big job bit if he goes for the money then he goes.

 

Still think it won't happen.

 

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How many times do you reckon the limit is? 4? 5? 10? I think there's still a few rolls of the dice left but wouldn't like to put an arbitrary figure on when the personnel churn will stop working in our favour.

 

The personnel 'churn' if Koeman is off is alarming. It was alarming when Koeman didn't sign the contract extension...

We know if he goes that this could lead to yet another high risk of churn in the team again...

Les Read is far to complacent in these circumstances - is he the problem rather than the answer is the question now ....

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The personnel 'churn' if Koeman is off is alarming. It was alarming when Koeman didn't sign the contract extension...

We know if he goes that this could lead to yet another high risk of churn in the team again...

Les Read is far to complacent in these circumstances - is he the problem rather than the answer is the question now ....

 

Les Read in contract negotiations

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Another golden quote:

 

A benefit of getting Koeman will be the reaction of the Southampton fans, a lot of whom seem to think finishing 7th makes them comparable to us. Southampton lol

 

Hopefully it would send them in to a spiral, back to the lower leagues where they belong ;) They will inevitably end up back there at some point, like the rest of these yo-yo outfits.

 

Caveat - Knowing Everton, it could all still go wrong :cheers:

 

Are we really a Yo-Yo club?

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Another golden quote:

 

A benefit of getting Koeman will be the reaction of the Southampton fans, a lot of whom seem to think finishing 7th makes them comparable to us. Southampton lol

 

Hopefully it would send them in to a spiral, back to the lower leagues where they belong ;) They will inevitably end up back there at some point, like the rest of these yo-yo outfits.

 

Caveat - Knowing Everton, it could all still go wrong :cheers:

 

Are we really a Yo-Yo club?

When I last checked, we finished 6th and in the Europa League.

 

That makes us, yes, currently better tan them. And I would venture a bet thst we'll finish above them next year too.

 

And we've been relegated from the top flight once in 30 years. Big yoyo-ing.

 

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I remember Everton beating Wimbledon years ago, last game of the season, to stay up. Graeme Stuart scored the winner, with a 20 yard powder puff shot that barely touched the back of the net. Dodgy as hell.

 

Classless club with deluded fans. Surely Ronald won't want to live in that Scouse sh*thole. It's not like he needs the money.

 

That said, going into the last year of his contract with us would make him a bit of a lame duck. Les Reed can hopefully sell our ambition to him and he signs an extension. Happy days.

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as much as Everton are a good club with a great history.

They are a Scouse club. Just like Liverpool. Centre of the universe and all that

 

wont be long before they start demanding 1 minutes silence for stuff

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I saw some of the comments on the Liverpool Echo re the toffees and ourselves

They claim the are the 4th best team in the Premier league and we are a yo you club and it will not belong before we get relegated ,

 

What arrogance , ESPN just flashed up on my iPad . And said RK close to signing for Everton . Deal could be done tonight . What utter tosh and BS

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I remember Everton beating Wimbledon years ago, last game of the season, to stay up. Graeme Stuart scored the winner, with a 20 yard powder puff shot that barely touched the back of the net. Dodgy as hell.

 

Classless club with deluded fans. Surely Ronald won't want to live in that Scouse sh*thole. It's not like he needs the money.

 

That said, going into the last year of his contract with us would make him a bit of a lame duck. Les Reed can hopefully sell our ambition to him and he signs an extension. Happy days.

 

Exactly- rather have £2m down here than £6m in fuc*ing Liverpool, awful place to live.

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If he goes so be it this is football it happens and if I was being offered 3 million in wages then its a no brainer.....

 

Get Pellgrini or Van gaal or De Boar in problem resolved.....

 

No need to wet the bed ladies

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Another golden quote:

 

A benefit of getting Koeman will be the reaction of the Southampton fans, a lot of whom seem to think finishing 7th makes them comparable to us. Southampton lol

 

Hopefully it would send them in to a spiral, back to the lower leagues where they belong ;) They will inevitably end up back there at some point, like the rest of these yo-yo outfits.

 

Caveat - Knowing Everton, it could all still go wrong :cheers:

 

Are we really a Yo-Yo club?

At this point in time they should have been worrying about themselves and wether or not they are the next aston villa instead of trying to prove that they ' have better history' you ask any young football fan about everton and he'll tell you they are a lower midtable team and nothing so grand about them. No one gives a sh*t about the past,

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If he goes so be it this is football it happens and if I was being offered 3 million in wages then its a no brainer.....

 

Get Pellgrini or Van gaal or De Boar in problem resolved.....

 

No need to wet the bed ladies

 

None of those would be problem solved... Could just about accept De Boer the other two no thanks.

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as much as Everton are a good club with a great history.

They are a Scouse club. Just like Liverpool. Centre of the universe and all that

 

wont be long before they start demanding 1 minutes silence for stuff

 

They even have to "borrow" their neighbours tragedies to have a few moments of self martydom and grief though don't they ?

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Ultimately it won't be about "summoning resolve" if Everton genuinely are offering to triple his money and he wants to go.

 

I know if he goes the forum will be a tsunami of div comments about how we didn't try, how Les can't close deals etc etc but we would have tried, we want him to stay. If he doesn't want to stay ultimately we can't make him.

 

Personally it feels like an odd and pointless career choice putting him two years further back from a really big job bit if he goes for the money then he goes.

 

Still think it won't happen.

 

If he goes I think it's obvious that it's less to do with HIM making money and more about the way the CLUB hope to continue making money.

 

Still let's wait to see what happens first.

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If he does go I hope it hasn't been a total suprise to the Club and they have been able to plan their next move for a while.

 

If we wanted a replacement already at a club that could take another few weeks to resolve itself which isn't ideal.

 

I suspect the club have been asking questions in putting feelers out just in case.

 

"Would your client be interested, hypothetically speaking that is, ... if we had a vacancy, not that we do , of course...."

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