Professor Posted 4 June, 2016 Posted 4 June, 2016 He's obviously on his way to sign then. I do hope so. After his silence all day, it's difficult to see circumstances in which he could stay. The club won't sack unless they have to as they will want the compensation but if he announced tomorrow that he had turned Everton down, surely the club would sack him for disloyalty rather than have a lame duck at the helm. If he were to say he had turned Everton down and wants to extend his stay here for another two years or so, he wouldn't be believed because his credibility is blown. After this episode, surely the contract offer would be withdrawn and he would be sacked anyway. It's easy to argue that the success over the last two years is due to the quality of the squad, and to some extent, the luck of other teams doing unexpectedly poorly. It needed a competent manager, of which there are plenty around, but it didn't require any special ability of Koeman otherwise we would not have been down in mid-table in early January after a run of 8 games in which we won just once, drew one and lost six. That included the home draw with Aston Villa and the defeat against Norwich. Not the record of a super star.
Gemmel Posted 4 June, 2016 Posted 4 June, 2016 Not really practical with Ronald but I'd like to see us stick Erwin on enforced gardening leave (assuming he's on a similar contract and Ron wants him at Goodison). No Erwin you don't have permission to speak to Everton. Ask us again in 2017. We can afford to be petty here and there. Love it
GarrettIvo Posted 4 June, 2016 Posted 4 June, 2016 Not really practical with Ronald but I'd like to see us stick Erwin on enforced gardening leave (assuming he's on a similar contract and Ron wants him at Goodison). No Erwin you don't have permission to speak to Everton. Ask us again in 2017. We can afford to be petty here and there. Indeed.
GarrettIvo Posted 4 June, 2016 Posted 4 June, 2016 5 stages of Grief - Denial - it's only in the fcking Mirror, fck me look at those odds tumble Anger - the lying bastard Bargaining - go on put one extra carrot on, cheers Depression - nah Saintsweb will always make things seem better Acceptance - got there in a couple of days I think. Pretty sure I went denial, anger, acceptance, and missed the middle two. Because what else can you do. Mind you the depression is largely caused by people on here.
the colonel Posted 4 June, 2016 Posted 4 June, 2016 Thought Koeman was a man of his word to be honest, I believed he would honour his last year..... the money was too tempting This. Just another greedy f..ker as the rest.......don't know why I was suckered in to him being an honourable man and who would see his contract out....feels worst than Pochettino
GarrettIvo Posted 4 June, 2016 Posted 4 June, 2016 This. Just another greedy f..ker as the rest.......don't know why I was suckered in to him being an honourable man and who would see his contract out....feels worst than Pochettino But it's all about ambition! And winning things! Assuming he signs a five year deal with them, let's take a stab at how many things they might win in that time. I'll start with.... nothing.
Breeny Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Deal was agreed on two months ago for RK to go to Everton - good source - We just have to realise the football world see us as a mid tier WBA, Norwich, Coventry, Notts Forrest ,Palace Type of club. That's where we fit in and the world see us. Anyone with talent and ego - player or manager is always looking to reach the next tier Until we invest in upgrading our flat packed stadium I reckon that will always be the case
OttawaSaint Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Deal was agreed on two months ago for RK to go to Everton - good source - We just have to realise the football world see us as a mid tier WBA, Norwich, Coventry, Notts Forrest ,Palace Type of club. That's where we fit in and the world see us. Anyone with talent and ego - player or manager is always looking to reach the next tier Until we invest in upgrading our flat packed stadium I reckon that will always be the case I would wager that pretty much every word of your post is total horse****.
The9 Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 But as I write it has not been reported that he has actually yet agreed terms with Everton. This means that (although unlikely) this could fall through and he could still be Saints manager seeing out his contract. Would that still be alright? That wasn't alright even before Everton's interest. He'd have gone this summer anyway if he didn't sign a new deal for at least another year, no chance the club would allow the Pellegrini lame duck situation to happen.
The9 Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 I would wager that pretty much every word of your post is total horse****. I'm pretty confident that there might be a kernel of truth in the "mid-tier club" part, seeing as one of our youth prospects' dads once told me something similar, but the bit about "deal agreed two months ago" is garbage, and the bit about the stadium betrays a complete lack of understanding of where the club's money comes from.
tpbury Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 When RK says 'seeing out his contract', he means 'I'm going off next year'. As has been said a brazillion times, the club management might have forcefully said they wanted that time period extended , the answer to which is 'I will see out my contract'. Also said a gazillion times, club managers are basically 2 year consultancy appointments. So, we hope our club can ensure continuity between appointments. Ref Mourinho, Warnock.
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 So lets say Everton pay him £7M a year for two years, pay us £3M in compensation, then let him spend £100M on players. World Cup 2018 Holland job comes along.....all that money down the pan. It was an ever present risk for us - but the stakes just look like going a lot higher. All the best with that Everton.
ghq Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Lowe's two inbreds, Koeman, and now some are clamouring for de Boer. Are you slow learners, or perhaps thinking if we try enough Dutchmen we have to get a good one eventually?
GarrettIvo Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Lowe's two inbreds, Koeman, and now some are clamouring for de Boer. Are you slow learners, or perhaps thinking if we try enough Dutchmen we have to get a good one eventually? So you're saying Koeman isn't a good manager? Righto.
ART Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Someone who won't be following Koeman to Everton is Sammy Lee. Just worried that Les sees him as a cheap option to repla e Ron
Golden Balls Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Someone who won't be following Koeman to Everton is Sammy Lee. Just worried that Les sees him as a cheap option to repla e Ron If you're worried about that I'd suggest you go for a relaxing nap. That won't happen. This isn't Rupert Lowe.
HKsaint Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 We all know we are just a stepping stone for footballers and managers, but I am surprised that people use us to go to Everton.
niceandfriendly Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Worst bit about losing Koeman might be losing Dave Watson and Sammy Lee too.
Pilchards Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 We all know we are just a stepping stone for footballers and managers, but I am surprised that people use us to go to Everton. Money talks. If we had a 'flash the cash' owner then these things will happen for us too. You can't blame Koeman but I do fear some players that committed on long contracts are not happy about Koeman ****ing off.
Pilchards Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Worst bit about losing Koeman might be losing Dave Watson and Sammy Lee too. Continuity is the key and I do see these two staying with us. Koeman will take the other Dutch guys with him like Pottychino took his team too.
ghq Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 So you're saying Koeman isn't a good manager? Righto. And if you think baling for more money is good, then as you say... Righto.
Saint-Armstrong Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Odd timing, but in the last half hour or so Kelvin Davis has posted this on his social media.
Pilchards Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Odd timing, but in the last half hour or so Kelvin Davis has posted this on his social media. We always do. Ps I expect Kelvin's either on holiday or just staggered home from the pub
GarrettIvo Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 And if you think baling for more money is good, then as you say... Righto. No no. He's a **** for that, but he's still a very good manager. He can be both.
Dark Munster Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Lowe's two inbreds, Koeman, and now some are clamouring for de Boer. Are you slow learners, or perhaps thinking if we try enough Dutchmen we have to get a good one eventually? I'll raise your 3 Dutchmen with the 4 Englishmen Branf**t, Wigley, Gray, and Saggy.
Waterside.saint Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Worst bit about losing Koeman might be losing Dave Watson and Sammy Lee too. Money talks
Shroppie Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 "Your" instead of "you're" was irony then - right? Well spotted, sir. ?? Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk
slickmick Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Was saying the same thing last night. Deal was agreed on two months ago for RK to go to Everton - good source - We just have to realise the football world see us as a mid tier WBA, Norwich, Coventry, Notts Forrest ,Palace Type of club. That's where we fit in and the world see us. Anyone with talent and ego - player or manager is always looking to reach the next tier Until we invest in upgrading our flat packed stadium I reckon that will always be the case
Saint Without a Halo Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 (edited) We all know we are just a stepping stone for footballers and managers, but I am surprised that people use us to go to Everton.[/QU OTE] A true top club would not need to double his wages to get him! A reasonable increase plus the ability to go for key trophies would surely have been enough. in the business world it is the companies in big trouble that pay their new savior CEO's the most they wouldn't get them otherwise Everton had to more than double his pay to get his interest Edited 5 June, 2016 by Saint Without a Halo
Appy Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 We always do. Ps I expect Kelvin's either on holiday or just staggered home from the pub Pretty sure he's on holiday, posted something the other day.
Pilchards Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Pretty sure he's on holiday, posted something the other day. Probably not a weekend at Butlins. Ps I've read Koeman starts his 2nd holiday today on a mates yacht. I bet his mate doubled the price over night
david in sweden Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Nice while it lasted, Ron....so thank you and goodbye..... btw.. we've seen that money doesn't always BUY success.....so good luck for as long as it lasts.
david in sweden Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Deal was agreed on two months ago for RK to go to Everton - good source - ....if so, it must have been pretty embarrassing for him when we actually qualified for Europa League. Had we finished 8th....it would have looked more credible.
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 The fans will be more upset than most of the players.
Pilchards Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 ....if so, it must have been pretty embarrassing for him when we actually qualified for Europa League. Had we finished 8th....it would have looked more credible. IMHO Koeman was determine to win all this last 10 matches as he was on a mission to either: (1) Put himself in the shop window for Everton, Arsenal job. (2) Really wanted Saints to qualify in Europe. (3) Was on a bonus if we finished higher in the league as he is a money grabbing ****.
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Well this thread has kept me entertained for the last couple of days, loving the meltdown by some. Can I be the first to say "Thanks very much Ron and good luck in your new job". At the end of the day, the guy came to us and did a bloody great job. Remember the 'Ready for training' tweet, no players it would appear - but he sorted it, and then went on to give us probably the two best seasons we've had in many years. He has no affinity to SFC (nor should he) he is a professional football manager, it's merely a job to him. Absolutely nothing wrong in listening to other job offers, and if one comes up that is too good to turn down - then do what everybody else would do - take it. It's just another chapter in supporting SFC, people come, people go - we go on. Why all the vitriol is beyond me, while he was here, he worked hard and took us to that next level - we should be thanking him. Everton are a decent club, new owner who appears to want to throw some money into it, personally I say good luck to both Ron and Everton. All of that said, come the end of next season, I naturally hope that we sit above them in the table as we have done this year. No point looking back now - look to the future, a new manager and new challenges. Very well put Micky...we need to get on without lives and look forward to the new season
Batman Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Any of AvB, Emery or Howe would do me. Really looking forward to it all I might regress into a negative **** of moyes is appointed
LeBizzier69 Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/14536889.Koeman__agrees_deal__to_join_Everton/ As if we didn't already know.
Barry the Badger Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Dear god, the comments on that article are meltdown-tastic
Andy Durman Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Southampton has designed the winning formula NOT RONALD KOEMAN. He has an important role, but will be replaced with a man equally as good if not better.
GarrettIvo Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 IMHO Koeman was determine to win all this last 10 matches as he was on a mission to either: (1) Put himself in the shop window for Everton, Arsenal job. (2) Really wanted Saints to qualify in Europe. (3) Was on a bonus if we finished higher in the league as he is a money grabbing ****. I will guarantee you he was not putting himself in the window for Everton two months ago.
St Chalet Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 If anyone does want to feel better please go and read the Adkins, Cortese and Poch exit threads. Even our progress from meltdowns have improved every season.
Chalkboy Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 I've read Koeman starts his 2nd holiday today on a mates yacht. I bet his mate doubled the price over night In which case do we presume he's already been up to Everton, signed, filmed an interview and done a photo-shoot? Otherwise he won't be unveiled until he's back from his hols.
Pilchards Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 In which case do we presume he's already been up to Everton, signed, filmed an interview and done a photo-shoot? Otherwise he won't be unveiled until he's back from his hols. From the information I've read. Koeman has agreed a deal but it's down to the clubs to sort out compensation. You would think Reed is also adding extras like: Can't sign any current Saints players and the targets we are bringing in for next season.
Roger Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 If anyone does want to feel better please go and read the Adkins, Cortese and Poch exit threads. Even our progress from meltdowns have improved every season. But Koeman sold his best players and finished 6th it's naive to think another manager can do that.
jamesfp1 Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 I've gone through all the emotions that come with losing a manager... denial, sadness, anger, rage, acceptance and excitement. But have just been hit with a crippling fear now that we know Moyes is on the shortlist.
Roger Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 The fans will be more upset than most of the players. Very clever. But it obviously worked for him as he sold best players and finished 6th. Not always a great indicator.
carljack Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 About 10 yrs ago i was in a traffic jam at the docks the big M&S on one side of me, about 9am it was. This bint came running between the 2 lanes of traffic not a stitch on like she was training for the 800m - tits and hairy quim in full view. I delivered the compressor turned around and went back to worcestershire where I live wondering if it made the news in Southampton. Odd first experience of your fair city. just another day in Gotham Jrod,tell me do off licences in scousehampton still resemble the Sheriffs office at the OK Corral
Saint Billy Posted 5 June, 2016 Posted 5 June, 2016 Start exercising your cheek muscles, so many people to boo next season!
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