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Everton & Charlie Austin

 

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/700102/Chelsea-Romelu-Lukaku-Everton-Southampton-Charlie-Austin-transfer-news-gossip

 

Toffees boss Ronald Koeman bought Austin for Southampton in January for £4m.

 

But he has started just two League games since moving to St Mary’s due to injury.

 

And Austin is in danger of becoming a fringe player under new boss Claude Puel.

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I haven't been that impressed with him and wouldn't be too upset to see him go, except, and it's a huge except, we'd need a replacement of equal or better quality.

 

There are so few of them around and several clubs getting desperate so I think it should be "what we have we hold"

 

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DEFOUR HAVING BURNLEY MEDICAL

 

Anderlecht midfielder Steven Defour is having a medical in Manchester ahead of move to Burnley, according to Sky sources.

 

So no doctors in Burnley huh? ;) Or is his agent hoping to entice the Mancs in, in some fanciful fantasy or other, I think we should be told!

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Alternatively...

 

We hold out for £40m, Liverpool refuse to pay it and sign another target. Nobody else wants to pay that much for him either so at the end of the summer he is still here. 'Great' you say until about 5 games into the season when he obviously doesn't want to be here and looks as disinterested as he did both winters he's been with us. Then next summer he has a year left of his deal and we are forced to sell for about £12m like we did with Clyne and Wanyama.

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Alternatively...

 

We hold out for £40m, Liverpool refuse to pay it and sign another target. Nobody else wants to pay that much for him either so at the end of the summer he is still here. 'Great' you say until about 5 games into the season when he obviously doesn't want to be here and looks as disinterested as he did both winters he's been with us. Then next summer he has a year left of his deal and we are forced to sell for about £12m like we did with Clyne and Wanyama.

No that's far too sensible, we're saints, we only do stupid things! ?

 

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Don't know all the details with Mane, but I do feel we sold too early. These big deals often drag on ages, surely we could have said ok we'll sell you, but we're going to wait until the price goes up, more competition etc. I don't believe only Liverpool were interested. Always thought 40m would be too much to turn down but it was 30m plus add ons wasn't it? Seems like a good deal for them.

 

It's one of those murky figures where the buying club likes to go on the low side and round down. I think that the most bandied about figure is £34.5m with a potential to rise to £38.5m and those add-ons are team related rather than player related. I imagine that they aren't going to be too stringent either and might revolve around CL qualification (pure conjecture on my part).

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If Bolasie has gone for £28m roughly, then Liverpool have mugged us off. We should have held out for £40m minimum, or at least have kept him until deadline day, to get just £34m sounds awful.
Yes, but this also highlights what a good job Southampton has done finding better players than Bolasie for more than half that transfer price. That is ridiculous.

 

Bolasie has 9 goals and 13 assists in 3 full PL seasons.

S. Davis has 7 goals and 12 assists in 3 full PL seasons.

 

Think we could get S. Davis for £28m?

 

I would have been ****ed if Southampton spent £28m on Bolasie. Everton way overpaid.

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That's a lot of negative ifs isn't it.

 

I remember the video snippet of Mane being splashed with water by VvD after a match we had won (think Mane may even have scored), Mane looked narked and was utterly po faced about it, muttered something back about "I'm ill" (allegedly) to which VvD gave the gesture equivalent of "oh ffs, lighten up".

 

Now there's a face you present to the audience, but the face you present to your team mates should be the real, genuine you. That to me was someone whose head and heart were both certainly not part of the SFC team. And if he suddenly turns on the skills at Liverpool then shame on you Mr Unprofessional Mane.

 

If we had kept him, I would not have been in the slightest surprised to see a more regular disappearance by SM.

 

And yes, on his day he is a superb addition to any side - any side he wants to be a part of that is.

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To be honest, 30 or 40m it's becoming difficult to judge as most things are undisclosed, you don't know the instalments etc., and most of all, does the extra money matter to us fans if it's not spent on new players? Unless we're literally cheering the p&l account each year then probably not.

 

If we'd sold no one at all, given the new tv money, the 6th place money and extra money from european football, how much would people have been hoping/expecting we spend to improve the team? £30m?

 

Talking about instalments, I am sure that I read somewhere that it was cash up front.

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That's a lot of negative ifs isn't it.

 

There seems to be a certain amount of having cake and eating eat going on on this board.

 

On the one hand people are bemoaning our signings for being too late in the window and leaving us underprepared. On the other, people expect us to sell players right at the end of the window and somehow expect more cash. Other clubs aren't all run by mugs, even Liverpool. If we don't come close to agreeing on a valuation, they will move on.

 

The rest of my post is pretty much a given. He wouldn't sign a contract extension and obviously nobody else was interested at £40m. He would almost certainly have thrown a strop and we would be in a very weak position to negotiate next summer.

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Alternatively...

 

We hold out for £40m, Liverpool refuse to pay it and sign another target. Nobody else wants to pay that much for him either so at the end of the summer he is still here. 'Great' you say until abogut 5 games into the season when he obviously doesn't want to be here and looks as disinterested as he did both winters he's been with us. Then next summer he has a year left of his deal and we are forced to sell for about £12m like we did with Clyne and Wanyama.

 

Or with no other options Mane decides to take the extra cash for a year and agrees a new contract. He plays for a move to Barcelona and single handedly wins us the league before moving to Barce for £80 million pounds the following summer.

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Hmm, we sell him say on deadline day, it means:

 

1) We don't give Liverpool a player so early to do his preseason

 

2) We can use him in first 3/4 games (I believe Bolasie played for Palace the other day)

 

3) And finally, if AR-10/Guan are to be believed, the reason why we are struggling to get this new attacking player in is because the club we are buying from wants a replacement sorted first. We already replaced him with Redmond anyway, so we could have sold him around now anyway.

 

Liverpool were fixated on him, they would have paid £40m if we weren't pushovers.

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Hmm, we sell him say on deadline day, it means:

 

1) We don't give Liverpool a player so early to do his preseason

 

2) We can use him in first 3/4 games (I believe Bolasie played for Palace the other day)

 

3) And finally, if AR-10/Guan are to be believed, the reason why we are struggling to get this new attacking player in is because the club we are buying from wants a replacement sorted first. We already replaced him with Redmond anyway, so we could have sold him around now anyway.

 

Liverpool were fixated on him, they would have paid £40m if we weren't pushovers.

 

 

The Bolasie deal shows just how weak we are in negotiations. £25m for Bolasie who is older, plays for a less successful club and is a much more limited player yet we get just £9m more for Mane who is younger, played for a more successful club and is quite frankly a much better player. Ridiculous really. As others have said it seems that as soon as one of the big boys show an interest in one of our guys they are sold within days yet we take years to get our own business done.

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The Bolasie deal shows just how weak we are in negotiations. £25m for Bolasie who is older, plays for a less successful club and is a much more limited player yet we get just £9m more for Mane who is younger, played for a more successful club and is quite frankly a much better player. Ridiculous really. As others have said it seems that as soon as one of the big boys show an interest in one of our guys they are sold within days yet we take years to get our own business done.

 

We definitely do seem to be weak negotiators.

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The Bolasie deal shows just how weak we are in negotiations. £25m for Bolasie who is older, plays for a less successful club and is a much more limited player yet we get just £9m more for Mane who is younger, played for a more successful club and is quite frankly a much better player. Ridiculous really. As others have said it seems that as soon as one of the big boys show an interest in one of our guys they are sold within days yet we take years to get our own business done.

"Just nine million more". I love this forum.

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The Bolasie deal shows just how weak we are in negotiations. £25m for Bolasie who is older, plays for a less successful club and is a much more limited player yet we get just £9m more for Mane who is younger, played for a more successful club and is quite frankly a much better player. Ridiculous really. As others have said it seems that as soon as one of the big boys show an interest in one of our guys they are sold within days yet we take years to get our own business done.

 

 

Personally I don't think we are weak negotiators and I am sure the team really believe they get the best deal possible. It does feel due to the speed we can sell that we must be nice to deal with though rather than tough negotiators but again that isn't necessarily a negative.

It would be interesting if an ITK could give some insight into why incoming transfers take so long given the fabled black box is in place? None of the departures have been a shock and we are told the black box identifies targets well in advance so why are those deals not lined up for day 1 of the transfer window? (An exaggeration I know but other teams do sign players right at the start of the window)

Why then would we have to wait until the end of the window so often to do a deal if we know who we want?

Ultimately I suppose if the players we sign on the final days have been targets for the whole summer but only signed for us at the last minute because they ran out of other options then it isn't surprising they are happy to jump ship at the first opportunity. I am not sure the board can be blamed in that situation?

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"Just nine million more". I love this forum.
it is amazing how such big figures are now seen as little. Perhaps we should have stalled a bit on the Mane deal, there did seem haste to get it done, the way some clubs are needing the pace and excitement of Mane we may well have achieved a much higher price now. We hardly have gone out and splashed the money we have received in.
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"Just nine million more". I love this forum.

 

Laugh all you want, in today's market £9 million doesn't buy you much (see Ross McCormack moving clubs in the Championship for £12 million). My point is that, in today's market, Mane is worth much more than Bolasie and IMO we haven't received a price that reflects that difference in quality.

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Liverpool playing hardball with Palace for Benteke - rejecting £30m + £7m add ons. I'd have thought they'd be satisfied with that.

 

Think it was £23m plus £7m add-on's.

 

Can't blame Liverpool though. Palace have just got £30m in the bank for Bolasie.

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Think it was £23m plus £7m add-on's.

 

Can't blame Liverpool though. Palace have just got £30m in the bank for Bolasie.

 

Yep you're right, either they've changed it or I misread it (probably the latter...!)

 

That's a bit more understandable from Liverpool's point of view then.

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I think Liverpool demands what they pay for mane from Palace for Mane. They are selling what they do not want for the same price as what they bought. We are another way around selling our core players at cheap and replacing cheaper ones.

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I think Liverpool demands what they pay for mane from Palace for Mane. They are selling what they do not want for the same price as what they bought. We are another way around selling our core players at cheap and replacing cheaper ones.

 

Lol, how much did we buy Mane for......

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I think Liverpool demands what they pay for mane from Palace for Mane. They are selling what they do not want for the same price as what they bought. We are another way around selling our core players at cheap and replacing cheaper ones.

 

And they clearly want to recoup as much as possible for Benteke given they paid £32m (?) for him. Ultimately though, being extremely stubborn on prices means someone is going to be left with egg on their face - either Palace are silly or desperate enough to pay whatever Liverpool ask, or Liverpool are going to be left with a player they don't want when they could have had £25m in the bank.

 

I agree that we could have held out for a bit more or a bit longer on Mane, but at best we would have squeezed an extra couple of million out of someone. The downside was probably a lot bigger. I don't feel we've been swindled, even if we didn't get the best deal imaginable.

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There are rumours of Mahrez to Arsenal for £37m. Now if that is true (and ignoring any add ons and sell ons that no one knows about), would that still make Mane be too cheap? "Only" £2.5m more for the PL's player of the season.

 

I actually think he was quite disappointing during the second half of last season. Perhaps it was tiredness. Maybe it's just me but I'd rather have Mané.

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And they clearly want to recoup as much as possible for Benteke given they paid £32m (?) for him. Ultimately though, being extremely stubborn on prices means someone is going to be left with egg on their face - either Palace are silly or desperate enough to pay whatever Liverpool ask, or Liverpool are going to be left with a player they don't want when they could have had £25m in the bank.

 

I agree that we could have held out for a bit more or a bit longer on Mane, but at best we would have squeezed an extra couple of million out of someone. The downside was probably a lot bigger. I don't feel we've been swindled, even if we didn't get the best deal imaginable.

 

There is enough interest in him, Palace, WBA, I'm sure WHU would also take him....

 

They'll hold out for £30m up front, and probably get it.

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It will certainly be a joke on our negotiators if Liverpool can swap Benteke for Mane for a profit.

 

He hasn't had much game time at Liverpool but I think people might be underestimating him. I'd certainly take him here if he was affordable. Even when he was a bit part player he still scored a few.

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He hasn't had much game time at Liverpool but I think people might be underestimating him. I'd certainly take him here if he was affordable. Even when he was a bit part player he still scored a few.

 

One wonders how he is affordable for Palace but not for us? Not advocating us blowing the bank to get him, more a query as to how the hell a club like Palace are funding it.

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One wonders how he is affordable for Palace but not for us? Not advocating us blowing the bank to get him, more a query as to how the hell a club like Palace are funding it.

 

Most premiership clubs have a decent transfer budget each summer and will spend the money they receive from transfers (as a minimum) Palace got £25m for Bolasie & £10m for Gayle, they probably had £20m to spend before selling and have bought Townsend (13m) Tomkins (10m) and Mandanda (free)

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Most premiership clubs have a decent transfer budget each summer and will spend the money they receive from transfers (as a minimum) Palace got £25m for Bolasie & £10m for Gayle, they probably had £20m to spend before selling and have bought Townsend (13m) Tomkins (10m) and Mandanda (free)

 

Any chance you could transfer yourself to Palace?

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