lloydie Posted 18 July, 2016 Share Posted 18 July, 2016 Uruguay ranked 12th Copa America - of the 7 games in the last 2 years, played 3, not in squad 1, injured 3 WCQ - of the 6 games, played 0, injured 0 WC - of the 4 games, played 2, on the bench in 2 (so not sure if that counts) Friendlies don't count, not that that would have made a difference, so I can't see how he is going to meet the criteria for a work permit as he is way short of the 75% mark. Exceptions to this can be made when players have previously demonstrated their talent (debatable) its the same case for Subotic from Dortmund (fantastic signing, btw) who they are also in for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloydie Posted 18 July, 2016 Share Posted 18 July, 2016 (edited) - In reply to window cleaner - Maybe his agent bought some rights to him after this? Just a guess no evidence at all here. Edited 18 July, 2016 by lloydie meant to quote window cleaners post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 18 July, 2016 Share Posted 18 July, 2016 Don't see how that can be. If he was owned by Saints he couldn't possibly be owned by anyone else. We had the problem obviously with Bologna and Penarol but once we paid them all off then his registration was owned outright by SFC and no-one else. Third party ownership being illegal in the UK. Once he was out of contract with us I don't see how he wasn't a free agent. http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/boro-pull-out-chase-sign-11402681 I was wrong.... looks as though they just didn't want to be played. So possibly more similar to the Shaqiri suggestions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint77 Posted 18 July, 2016 Share Posted 18 July, 2016 Don't see how that can be. If he was owned by Saints he couldn't possibly be owned by anyone else. We had the problem obviously with Bologna and Penarol but once we paid them all off then his registration was owned outright by SFC and no-one else. Third party ownership being illegal in the UK. Once he was out of contract with us I don't see how he wasn't a free agent. Because he signed a pre contract with penarol in January Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 18 July, 2016 Share Posted 18 July, 2016 Right I've looked it up. Apparently he had a pre-contract deal to return to Penarol when he was free of Saints. Middlesborough couldn't find a way round that without paying Penarol but Gaston's agent seems to have sorted it in some way and his return to Uruguay's side for the Copa may get him by the Work Permit problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 18 July, 2016 Share Posted 18 July, 2016 Exceptions to this can be made when players have previously demonstrated their talent (debatable) its the same case for Subotic from Dortmund (fantastic signing, btw) who they are also in for. http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/neven-subotic-middlesbrough-fcs-double-11615168 Does anyone know the rules for appeal? It seems Boro are resigned to fail on the initial application (as per the bits I put), but the article states....But they are confident they will win on the point based first stage of the appeal process. He is coming from a category one league and will be among Boro’s top earners so ticks the boxes in the process. They are also confident Uruguay playmaker Ramirez will get a new permit on appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 18 July, 2016 Share Posted 18 July, 2016 Telegraph Football @TeleFootball Spurs finalising £10.8m deal for Georges-Kevin N’Koudou with N'Jie set for loan exit http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/07/18/tottenham-consider-clinton-njie--loan-exit-with-108m-georges-kev/ The signing of N’Koudou will not necessarily mean Tottenham abandon their search for another attacking midfielder, despite the fact Liverpool are emerging as favourites to sign Newcastle United’s Georginio Wijnaldum. #BoufalWatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 18 July, 2016 Share Posted 18 July, 2016 Is N'Jie any good, would he be a loan option to replace Mane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 18 July, 2016 Share Posted 18 July, 2016 Is N'Jie any good, would he be a loan option to replace Mane? No and No.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 18 July, 2016 Share Posted 18 July, 2016 Can anyone think of an example of a player who didn't end up playing in the Premier League after a team wanted them, based on being rejected for a Work Permit? Seems these cases keep coming up but they are always got around. There probably is an example or two, but I can't think of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 18 July, 2016 Share Posted 18 July, 2016 (edited) Can anyone think of an example of a player who didn't end up playing in the Premier League after a team wanted them, based on being rejected for a Work Permit? Seems these cases keep coming up but they are always got around. There probably is an example or two, but I can't think of them. that bloke we had, Jacinto Ela Whotsit. I think we thought he had a Spanish passport but he didn't and when we eventually applied for a WP it was rejected or so I remember.. Edited 18 July, 2016 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 18 July, 2016 Share Posted 18 July, 2016 Can anyone think of an example of a player who didn't end up playing in the Premier League after a team wanted them, based on being rejected for a Work Permit? Seems these cases keep coming up but they are always got around. There probably is an example or two, but I can't think of them. We had some Ukrainian kid who was banging them in for the reserves but couldn't get a permit. Ended up loaning him to Ireland and all sorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 18 July, 2016 Share Posted 18 July, 2016 We had some Ukrainian kid who was banging them in for the reserves but couldn't get a permit. Ended up loaning him to Ireland and all sorts. Ah yes, Pereyplotkin or something like that. Then there was the Japanese at Arsenal, spent years on loan in Holland and Germany until he finally qualified for a WP but by the time he had one he was ****ged out, Ended up at Bolton i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 18 July, 2016 Share Posted 18 July, 2016 DWP, or whoever gives them out, can't really be seen to be bending the rules for football players given the current political climate, can it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JxgrSaint Posted 18 July, 2016 Share Posted 18 July, 2016 DWP, or whoever gives them out, can't really be seen to be bending the rules for football players given the current political climate, can it? Tax revenues though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted 18 July, 2016 Share Posted 18 July, 2016 Telegraph Football @TeleFootball Spurs finalising £10.8m deal for Georges-Kevin N’Koudou with N'Jie set for loan exit http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/07/18/tottenham-consider-clinton-njie--loan-exit-with-108m-georges-kev/ #BoufalWatch Boufals options decreasing daily !!!!! good stuff go get him Les Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 18 July, 2016 Share Posted 18 July, 2016 Boufals options decreasing daily !!!!! good stuff go get him Les Some on Twitter saying Watford have made a £16m bid for Boufal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 18 July, 2016 Share Posted 18 July, 2016 I'm still surprised how quiet it's all been this window re: Marko Arnautović. Year left on his contract & (I believe) a clause has now kicked-in where he's available at a certain price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 18 July, 2016 Share Posted 18 July, 2016 Some on Twitter saying Watford have made a £16m bid for Boufal. From here: http://www.squawka.com/news/watford-make-shock-16-7m-bid-for-lille-star-sofiane-boufal-amid-arsenal-and-chelsea-interest/727307 #BoufalWatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 18 July, 2016 Share Posted 18 July, 2016 I'm still surprised how quiet it's all been this window re: Marko Arnautović. Year left on his contract & (I believe) a clause has now kicked-in where he's available at a certain price. That's because teams know he is available and what his price is. Unless he is first choice you can leave him on the backburner. His cost is known. I'd expect more chatter about him in the last few weeks of the window as clubs start to lose out on targets and turn to backups. Someone will get him for a good price but pay him far too much in wages. At least, that is my prediction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 18 July, 2016 Share Posted 18 July, 2016 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-boss-ronald-koeman-eyeing-8444698 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 Ah yes, Pereyplotkin or something like that. Then there was the Japanese at Arsenal, spent years on loan in Holland and Germany until he finally qualified for a WP but by the time he had one he was ****ged out, Ended up at Bolton i think. That's the fellar. Think he eventually ended up at Derby on a Latvian passport but didn't do much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 GUNNERS CLOSE ON HOLDING Arsenal are closing in on the signing of England U21 international defender Rob Holding from Bolton. The 20-year-old reportedly travelled down to the capital on Monday for a medical and to finalise personal terms after a bid in the region of £2m was accepted by Wanderers. Holding has been with Bolton since the age of seven and made his senior debut in a Capital One Cup tie against Burton Albion last August. Capable of playing as either a centre-back or a full-back, Holding made 30 appearances last season and was named the club's Player of the Year in a campaign which ended in relegation to Sky Bet League One. He was called up to Gareth Southgate's U21 squad at the end of that season and was part of the successful side at the Toulon Tournament in France. Arsenal signing another Calum Chambers then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diggs Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 That Arsenal signing should speed up our pursuit of Carl Jenkinson with Calum Chambers and this chap for cover at right back behide Bellerin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 STOKE MAKE BERAHINO BID Stoke have made a bid worth £20m for West Brom striker Saido Berahino, according to Sky sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 (edited) STOKE MAKE BERAHINO BID Stoke have made a bid worth £20m for West Brom striker Saido Berahino, according to Sky sources. Good, this will force our hand if we are interested. £20m isn't too bad baring in mind we received £35m+ for Mane. He fits our model of bringing in young players with experience and future prospects. Edited 19 July, 2016 by Saint_Ash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegalEagle Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 I see that Morgan is not among the 25 man squad fro Man Utd's tour of China. You would think that based on that and lack of any news on an injury, he must be off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 I see that Morgan is not among the 25 man squad fro Man Utd's tour of China. You would think that based on that and lack of any news on an injury, he must be off? No the 4 United players who made the QFs with their respective nations are not yet back from their break. Euro final was less than 10 days ago and a 3 week break minimum is mandatory I think. Player might want to go straight back to his club but it's not on. Did Cedric and José go to the US with Saints, no they didn't, are they back in training? No they aren't. Euro plays havoc with clubs' summer plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkboy Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 I see that Morgan is not among the 25 man squad fro Man Utd's tour of China. You would think that based on that and lack of any news on an injury, he must be off? He said he didn't want to be sitting at home watching the CL on Tuesdays and Wednesdays so it will have to be Leicester, Spurs, Arsenal or City that come in for him. Oh dear....it will be Everton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 I see that Morgan is not among the 25 man squad fro Man Utd's tour of China. You would think that based on that and lack of any news on an injury, he must be off? Is that not because hes still on holiday after the euros? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChudSaint Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 I've played more minutes than Morgan this summer, should be champing at the bit to impress the new boss... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 I've played more minutes than Morgan this summer, should be champing at the bit to impress the new boss... He probably is but there are rules that govern player's holiday time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 Good, this will force our hand if we are interested. £20m isn't too bad baring in mind we received £35m+ for Mane. He fits our model of bringing in young players with experience and future prospects. I don't believe we are interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 Burnley FC @BurnleyOfficial Welcome to Burnley Football Club, @Gudmundsson7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 Burnley FC @BurnleyOfficial Welcome to Burnley Football Club, @Gudmundsson7 Surely Burnley can do better than relegated NPC players...? He wasn't even that good for Charlton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 I find it strange that Professional clubs jump on the EURO/World cup bandwagon and after seeing a few players perform well in a few games they think they can do it in a top league over 40-50 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 'UNITED POGBA BID IMMINENT' To huge developments on the future of Paul Pogba now, and Sky in Italy report that Manchester United are set to make an official bid for the Juventus midfielder. Our colleagues in Italy understand United are set to meet Juventus directors as well the player’s agent, Mino Raiola, in the next few hours. United are expected to make an opening offer of about €103-104m (£86.5-£87.3m). We also understand Pogba has already agreed personal terms with United, believed to worth €13m (£10.9m) per season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 'UNITED POGBA BID IMMINENT' To huge developments on the future of Paul Pogba now, and Sky in Italy report that Manchester United are set to make an official bid for the Juventus midfielder. Our colleagues in Italy understand United are set to meet Juventus directors as well the player’s agent, Mino Raiola, in the next few hours. United are expected to make an opening offer of about €103-104m (£86.5-£87.3m). We also understand Pogba has already agreed personal terms with United, believed to worth €13m (£10.9m) per season. At that price Real will buy him, that's where he wants to play. The problem comes from the 25 million € cut that Pogba takes from the deal, pushing the price up to around 125 million €. Real won't pay that even though they want the player and he wants to go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 Norwich City FC @NorwichCityFC City have today completed the signing of goalkeeper Michael McGovern. #ncfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 Some good detail on the hold-up(s) on the Berahino to Stoke deal. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/07/19/stoke-make-20million-bid-for-saido-berahino-but-face-frustrating/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 'UNITED POGBA BID IMMINENT' To huge developments on the future of Paul Pogba now, and Sky in Italy report that Manchester United are set to make an official bid for the Juventus midfielder. Our colleagues in Italy understand United are set to meet Juventus directors as well the player’s agent, Mino Raiola, in the next few hours. United are expected to make an opening offer of about €103-104m (£86.5-£87.3m). We also understand Pogba has already agreed personal terms with United, believed to worth €13m (£10.9m) per season. opening offer opening offer opening offer opening offer opening offer Football has gone insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 Did I read somewhere that the signing on fee for Pogba is 25m (€ or £ I don't know, but fairly immaterial really!)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 Did I read somewhere that the signing on fee for Pogba is 25m (€ or £ I don't know, but fairly immaterial really!)? 20% of the total apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JxgrSaint Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 (edited) According to Tancredi Palmeri it's €100m for Juve, €25m for his agent (Mino Raiola I think) and €20m for him. Absolutely bloody mental.... Edited 19 July, 2016 by JxgrSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 This is all madness. Guess it makes up for his paltry £10m a year wage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 I wonder how much we would of got for LeTiss in his pomp at today's prices?!! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 This is all madness. Guess it makes up for his paltry £10m a year wage. 13 million a year for 5 years. So his take on the affair is about 85 million of which the leech Raiola will take about 15-20% I suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 Reminds me of possibly apocryphal Peter Ridsdale story at Leeds. That player from Stoke (ISTR) was with his agent when offered a weekly salary so staggeringly high he looked across at his agent with raised eyebrows.. Ridsdale immediately raised the figure by another £X k a week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 The sad thing is though, Man U can afford it when Leeds couldn't. If I was his agent, got €25m for the signing on fee and, if you say 15-25% of earnings, then I would have one client and retire when he stopped being a cash cow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JxgrSaint Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 Reminds me of possibly apocryphal Peter Ridsdale story at Leeds. That player from Stoke (ISTR) was with his agent when offered a weekly salary so staggeringly high he looked across at his agent with raised eyebrows.. Ridsdale immediately raised the figure by another £X k a week! Heard a similar story about Pompey, also the classic one of when Jimmy Bullard signed for Hull on what was agreed to be £40k a week but there was a typo in the contract so he signed it at £50k! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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