Singapore Saint Posted 16 May, 2016 Share Posted 16 May, 2016 If it doesn't matter whether Spuds finish above Arsenal, why did he almost cry on TV and drag his and the players' families (he said "apologise to our family" twice) into it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 16 May, 2016 Share Posted 16 May, 2016 (edited) Because it's a huge psychological blow to everyone attached to Spurs. They will try to play it down as will the media. Arsenal will also play it down as they feel they should have done better. But make no mistake, finishing below Arsenal AGAIN, having St. Totteringhams Day AGAIN is going to leave mental scars on every Spurs fan. Levy will be hurting like hell. The Manager should quite rightly be having a long hard look at himself. They play like that in the CL we won't even see them in the Europa League. They will slide right by with Poch's sad face in the window. Edited 16 May, 2016 by Kingsbridge Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 16 May, 2016 Share Posted 16 May, 2016 Spurs should be as big as ManU, their catchment area is huge and yet somehow they always contrive to screw it up. They are one of football's great comical tragedies. Watching them beat themselves up year on year about Arsenal is pure entertainment. This year must have been excruciating. I should know, I live in a Spurs area and it's a real weight on their fans. If Poch didn't get this before I'm sure he does now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 16 May, 2016 Share Posted 16 May, 2016 Spuds have been giving it large for months. The transfer of power. Dawn of a new era. Finishing above Arsenal blah blah blah. Then they bottle it and everything reverts to type. And as bottlings go, they did a pretty damn fine job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 16 May, 2016 Share Posted 16 May, 2016 That result and Arsenal leap frogging over them was the icing on the cake for me ...... or was it the skates conceding in injury time? One of the most enjoyable soccerballing days of my life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersubpuckett Posted 16 May, 2016 Share Posted 16 May, 2016 spurs fan on 606 moaning that poch doesn't have a plan b........sound familiar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 May, 2016 Share Posted 16 May, 2016 spurs fan on 606 moaning that poch doesn't have a plan b........sound familiar? But its true. Considering what has happened this season, I now doubt he will reach the heights of football management. He doesnt have that extra gear. He's a flat-track bully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 16 May, 2016 Share Posted 16 May, 2016 spurs fan on 606 moaning that poch doesn't have a plan b........sound familiar? When he was here we always seemed to struggle against teams who defended deep and countered. His high pressing philosophy is great when the opposition want to go toe to toe but when they just want to sit back and let his team have the ball his style struggles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 16 May, 2016 Share Posted 16 May, 2016 spurs fan on 606 moaning that poch doesn't have a plan b........sound familiar? You mean plan b*****ks. Spurs have missed two of their most dynamic players. Just as we had zero options or creativity off the bench when he was here, rather reliant on a teenage forward who has since struggled to get into a poor MK Dons side. Plan B = the mongboard riddle wrapped in an enigma, the catch-all explanation for the thick as ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singapore Saint Posted 16 May, 2016 Author Share Posted 16 May, 2016 MoPo's teams ALWAYS fall away: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/05/16/spurs-finish-below-arsenal---but-we-should-not-be-surprised-maur/? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 16 May, 2016 Share Posted 16 May, 2016 You mean plan b*****ks. Spurs have missed two of their most dynamic players. Just as we had zero options or creativity off the bench when he was here, rather reliant on a teenage forward who has since struggled to get into a poor MK Dons side. Plan B = the mongboard riddle wrapped in an enigma, the catch-all explanation for the thick as ****. And yet Leicester lost key players to suspension in the run in and still got results. So perhaps there is such a thing as a Plan B? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 16 May, 2016 Share Posted 16 May, 2016 (edited) And yet Leicester lost key players to suspension in the run in and still got results. So perhaps there is such a thing as a Plan B? What has that got to do with us when MP only had Lallana and a rapidly declining Lambert as his only two creative options as we limped over the line in 2013/14? Spurs were always playing from behind and their heads dropped after the WBA/Chelsea results. The suspensions coincided with and compounded that. Nothing more. Leicester were in a quite different position. Either way, the sample size is ridiculously small. And it's the singular, not the plural. Frankly Leicester are the worst example you cite of a team without a plan b as they've been dutifully faithful to the same philosophy for the vast majority of the season. But hey it's a concept which can't be pinned with precision and is thus easy to exaggerate, invoked willy-nilly by the moronic who struggle with specifics and complexity. Edited 16 May, 2016 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 16 May, 2016 Share Posted 16 May, 2016 (edited) Frankly Leicester are the worst example you cite of a team without a plan b as they've been dutifully faithful to the same philosophy for the vast majority of the season. Not true at all - they were far more cavalier in the beginning, bombing forward to score goals but shipping them at the other end. They realised at some point that this wasn't sustainable and decided to absorb more pressure and pick their moments to counter. That's when Morgan and Huth proved themselves. But when people talk about plan B, it's normally within the context of a game and isn't meaningless at all. It's about having a manager who can change tactics mid-game and adapt to the way things are going. Koeman is good at it (with some notable misfires), Pochettino doesn't try and mostly doesn't need to with Spurs, Ferguson rarely tried but did when he needed to. The complexities come in how you do it, and are worth looking at, but don't render the umbrella term meaningless. However, Spurs have a great record for coming from behind, unlike us under Pochettino, so I'm not sure the plan B argument works. Their bigger problem has been bottling leads. Edited 16 May, 2016 by DuncanRG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 16 May, 2016 Share Posted 16 May, 2016 (edited) Not true at all - they were far more cavalier in the beginning, bombing forward to score goals but shipping them at the other end. They realised at some point that this wasn't sustainable and decided to absorb more pressure and pick their moments to counter. That's when Morgan and Huth proved themselves. However, Spurs have a great record for coming from behind, unlike us under Pochettino, so I'm not sure the plan B argument works. Their bigger problem has been bottling leads. They started more gung-ho, tweaked things and then stuck to their guns ever since. One might argue they were rigidily gung-ho and then rigidly defensive, though it is equally arguable they played the same brand of low possession, pacy counterattacking football throughout (the only difference is the FBs and the CMs got less forward and opposition teams responded by being a bit more compact). When people mystically incant plan b, they suggest managers adapt to the flow of a particular game and/or pay closer attention to the opposition's strengths/weaknesses - that's not something I saw from Leicester this season (in large part because they didn't need to) and I watched closely in nearly every game this season. Edited 16 May, 2016 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScepticalStan Posted 16 May, 2016 Share Posted 16 May, 2016 Not true at all - they were far more cavalier in the beginning, bombing forward to score goals but shipping them at the other end. They realised at some point that this wasn't sustainable and decided to absorb more pressure and pick their moments to counter. That's when Morgan and Huth proved themselves. I think it had far, far more to do with the other teams reacting to Leicester than it did to Leicester intentionally changing their style for the sake of injecting some kind of spurious sense of 'variety' into their play when their super-direct tactics were working so well. You think Leicester's games away to Watford, Palace and Sunderland would have transpired the way they did if they were played in August and September rather than March and April? It was only towards the very end of the season where mid-table clubs began to look at a draw at home to Leicester as a good result that they had to change their style accordingly. They went bull-at-a-gate away to Man City in February the exact same way they did against Sunderland on the opening day. They succeeded in scoring 2 or 3 goals away from home against Norwich, Newcastle, Sunderland, West Brom, Swansea, Everton, Stoke, Saints, West Ham and City. Their cavalier style turned out to be entirely sustainable and only stopped manifesting itself in 4-2s and 3-2s when other teams started sitting back, which as I say, actually only started happening very late in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 16 May, 2016 Share Posted 16 May, 2016 I think it had far, far more to do with the other teams reacting to Leicester than it did to Leicester intentionally changing their style for the sake of injecting some kind of spurious sense of 'variety' into their play when their super-direct tactics were working so well. You think Leicester's games away to Watford, Palace and Sunderland would have transpired the way they did if they were played in August and September rather than March and April? It was only towards the very end of the season where mid-table clubs began to look at a draw at home to Leicester as a good result that they had to change their style accordingly. That's right - they adapted. Plan B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 16 May, 2016 Share Posted 16 May, 2016 That's right - they adapted. Plan B. Proof positive that it is a meaningless concept, the way it is liberally and indiscriminantly used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 16 May, 2016 Share Posted 16 May, 2016 Because it's a huge psychological blow to everyone attached to Spurs. They will try to play it down as will the media. Arsenal will also play it down as they feel they should have done better. But make no mistake, finishing below Arsenal AGAIN, having St. Totteringhams Day AGAIN is going to leave mental scars on every Spurs fan. Levy will be hurting like hell. The Manager should quite rightly be having a long hard look at himself. They play like that in the CL we won't even see them in the Europa League. They will slide right by with Poch's sad face in the window. This and conceding Three more when playing against ten men If Newcastle had had a full side 2nd half it could have been ten and against a side relegated no wonder the thought of Champions league now looks so daunting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint78 Posted 16 May, 2016 Share Posted 16 May, 2016 "I don't understand Judas Poch" I thought his English had improved this year but sadly not it seems... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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